1998/05/10 22:07
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #364
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 364
Today's Topics:
RE: RE: kundalini rising (was RE: 3 [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
UNSUBSCRIBE [ Jack7122 <Jack7122ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Non-denominational kundalini? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Happiness [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Non-denominational kundalini? [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
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RE: Non-denominational kundalini? [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: Happiness [ Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucal ]
RE: RE: kundalini rising (was RE: 3 [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucal ]
Re: Happiness [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Full Moon Chart [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 02:55:03 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Harsha1MTM" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"Dhirajlal C. Shyamani" <D.ShyamaniATnospampemail.net>,
<keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
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Subject: RE: RE: kundalini rising (was RE: 3 times K. from 1 to 7)
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Dan wrote:
> Very recent announcements in astronomical observations and analyses
> indicate an increased probability that the "dark matter" in the universe
> could be 90% of total matter. If that were true ( and as yet nobody knows
> for sure) then the theory of expanding/contracting universe may get
> preponderence over the currently popular "ever expanding" theory that you
> seem to subscribe to. Comments?
I would be highly surprised if something new had been found, as the latest
article I´ve read about it was in New Scientist, 11 April of this year. The
article rightly mentions that there is at least 90% dark matter. This,
however, won´t do: if for any reason there is some extra force at work, the
outcome could be very different. The article continues by explaining another
method of measurement: the rate at which the universe is expanding. This is
done by measurements from supernovas. Quite a lot of data was presented in
January of this year. From this, it followed that the value of omega* had to
be a lot less than one. Because of this, a cosmological constant, lambda, is
assumed so that the sum of omega and lambda can be one, what is needed for
space to stay flat*. As this lambda can be seen as a fiddle factor, one has
been trying to measure it. It´s value is surprisingly high, which means that
omega really is low, so the universe will expand forever. Lambda could be
interpreted as a quantum mechanical anti-gravitational effect. Other data,
confirming a high value for lambda has been collected from radio galaxies.
According to the article, this was for publication in April/May in the
Astrophysical Journal.
Jan
Real mass/critical mass = omega
critical mass is total mass needed in the universe to outrun gravity.
Flat space: Shortly after the big bang, space was curved but now it is
(almost) flat, because of the enormous expansion.
Date: Sat, 9 May 1998 22:27:28 EDT
From: Jack7122 <Jack7122ATnospamaol.com>
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It has been interesting being a part of the list... but sometimes it's just
too much to read.
Take care.
Date: Sat, 09 May 1998 23:17:45 -0400
From: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
To: janstockATnospammetz.une.edu.au
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Jon Anstock wrote:
>
> Has anyone experienced or read about black dots under the toe nails as part of Kundalini? Is there any significance to such an expeience? Looking forward to any communication. Regards, Jon Anstock.
Hi Jon,
Yes, I have experienced and read about this phenomena. It is a common
symptom of the Kundalini Awakening process. In my case, the big toe had
marks under the toenail and the toenail turned partially black. There
also was a considerable amount of pain, although thankfully, it did not
last that long. It occurred to me on three separate occasions. I have
read about people who have lost the toenail after it turned black,
sometimes more than once (yes, it grows back).
In her book, "Energies of Transformation: A guide to the Kundalini
process", Bonnie Greenwell notes that it is possible that it mirrors an
ancient yogic practice. She states, "In the 4th sutra of the Siva
Sutras, a method of contemplation is taught that is said to bring about
the dissolution of identification with the gross, subtle and causal
bodies by using the image of burning up successively the entire subtle
body system. The initiate does this through contemplation of the right
toe, in which the deity of burning light, Kalagni Rudra, is housed. The
aspirant on this burning imagery, allowing it to rise throughout the
system until complete absorption into divine consciousness is
experienced. This practice is called dahabhavana". I wish I had read
this prior to, or during my experiences. Perhaps I could have sped up
the process. However, although this description notes the right big toe,
she states that those experiencing spontaneous Kundalini awakening may
have the symptom on either the right or left big toe. Hope this helps.
--
Louis Conjar - Dynamic Expansion Institute, Inc.
"All Your Spiritual and Financial Needs In One Place"
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 10:04:08 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?
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At 13:52 1998.05.09 EDT, Harsha wrote:
>In a message dated 5/9/1998 2:26:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
>sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
>
><< don't think that K-awakening was ever
> considered to be the goal - actually, I think of Milarepa, I think he was
> K-awakened (in the sense accepted on this list) when he _began_ meditating
> in his cave. Yes, there is a significant increase of K awakenings, it all
> comes more easily etc, but I would really love someone to show me somebody
> who could match Milarepa's depth of wisdom and enlightenment, >>
>
>Harsha: Quite right. The Shakti awakening is a beginning. Purity of mind is
>essential for the Kundalini to rise up fully and function at higher centers.
>The spiritual benefits of a Kundalini awakening are not always obvious
>immediately, particularly if the awakening is abnormal or premature.
>Pranayama is considered an important practice in many Shakti traditions for
>awakening, purifying and raising the Shakti to higher levels. Milarepa, by
>the way, was a Pranayama adept.
I am not sure about that, unless the tummo technique is considered to be
some sort of pranayama? Does anyone know something more specific about this
matter?
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Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 04:39:14 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Happiness
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"Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> wrote:
>That's the best thing I have heard about happiness yet. It implies that
>happiness is our natural state, and I believe this to be true.
>
I think of happiness as an emotion and joy as a soul/spirit quality. So
you can pull down (or call up) joy and be full of joy even when in your
outer life you're not especially happy.
Love,
Ann
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:59:30 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?
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In a message dated 5/10/1998 1:10:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<< Harsha: Quite right. The Shakti awakening is a beginning. Purity of mind
is
>essential for the Kundalini to rise up fully and function at higher centers.
>The spiritual benefits of a Kundalini awakening are not always obvious
>immediately, particularly if the awakening is abnormal or premature.
>Pranayama is considered an important practice in many Shakti traditions for
>awakening, purifying and raising the Shakti to higher levels. Milarepa, by
>the way, was a Pranayama adept.
Danijel: I am not sure about that, unless the tummo technique is considered to
be
some sort of pranayama? Does anyone know something more specific about this
matter?
>>
Harsha: You may wish to read Milarepa's biography by W.Y. Evans -Wentz. Many
of the Kundalini masters of the past like Matsyendranath and Goruknath were
adepts at Pranayama.
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 13:02:16 -1000 (HST)
From: Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
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> From: Pat Williams <pwilliamATnospaminfocom.com>
> To: magneagaATnospammonet.no
> Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
> Date: Sunday, May 10, 1998 2:27 AM
>
> >Question 2
> >
> >What does OM-MANI-PADME-HUM - Chenreezis mantra, mean ? Can someone translate it into English ?
>
> OM - is the state of godhood to which all men aspire
>
> MA - symbolizes those who are more than men, yet less than gods
>
> NI - symbolizes those who have become Adepts (high upon the path of attainment)
>
> PAD - refers to those who are Disciples
>
> ME - symbolizes still another aspect of Man. Not Man as a merely some insignificant being, but MAN who Aspires
>
> HUM - is associated with the life energies used by Man in his ascent from the state of Aspiring Man through Discipleship, Adeptship and
Mastership to Godhood.
>
> Thus individual growth from the very lowest to the highest.
>
> Pat
>
Thanks for the response on my quiz, formulated it as questions in order for people to ask their inner Self for answers. However, let me continue.
OM - THE SOUND OF CREATION
“In the beginning was the Word, the Word was by God, and the Word was God ...”. Such began the Gospel of John, one of the incarnations of Kut Humi.
Observe the sanscrit sign for OM. As a person, having meditated since infancy, I asked myself: How could I possible avoid seeing the deep and hidden symbolism herein ?
At the top of it a dot. Beneath these dot a horizontal crescent. Beneath these crescent something looking like our present sign for nr “3”, i.e. three energies beeing cast out from a circle.
Breathing in and breathing out ....
Yang and Yin ...
Male, Female ...
Ebb, flow ...
Upstreams and downstreams ...
Kundalini upwards, Light downwards ...
What is the in between ? What is Tao, the balance ? What happens when the two poles in us, the two energies becomes balanced ? When the Kundalini circulations have been performed enough many times, when the two poles is in perfect balance, what happens then ?
Creation takes place !
And by Creation, I MEAN Creation, materialisation, making physichal things happen. Magic is no superstition. The Power is real.
Our Holy Guardian Angel is breathing in energy, strength, health (the male aspect) in order to get enough Energy to Create....
When breathing out, resting as a babe in the womb of the Feminine Divine, materialisation takes place. The Female makes birth to the materialisation, the Creation, which the babe is.
But before Creation takes places, THE DIVINITY KEEPS IT BREATH. Nothing exists yet. The purpose is not yet manifested. Even in our everyday language, we say that something is “breathtaking”, we keep our breath before something important happens, the “world stands still”. Everything is silence. And in these silence, in advanced stages called “the dark night of the Soul”, is the unmanifested, Tao.
It is the unmanifested NO-THING, Khaos. These place, situated at the point of our head where our hair splittes, is called Bindu. It is one of the 5 cosmic points in Kriya Kundalini Yoga.
This is the unmanifested. It is a place with no sound. It existed before any sound. It existed before anything was created. And it exists, in the eternal NOW, as the silent witness behind anything manifested.
And in these silence, in these perfect silence and darkness, the PEARL falls.
The Pearl, symbolized by the dot in the OM-sign, falls downwards.
The Pearl falls, and it falls and it falls ...
And when the Pearl hits the bottom, the crescent in the OM-sign, beeing splintered into ten thousands of peaces, Creation takes place in a singe NOW.
And the sound of the splintering, the sound of the pearl beeing chrushed, is OM.
These leads to my own observationss about the meanings of OM MANI PADME HUM.
Some translates it to “O, the Jewel in the Lotus, Hail to Thee !”
The Jewel, or the Pearl, crushed against the crescent in our 3rd eye lotus.
The sound of Creation, Magic, is real. The material things surrounding us, is not so “non-spiritual” as many believes. Matter is crystallized Spirit. And the force, the energy of materialisation, is named Kriyâ Shakti.
And because the physical, material things are spiritual they too, so was it, during the chanting of OM, that I almost killed myself 5 times during a few minutes by the physical things arround me.
A window behind me was blown inwards into the room. Five, six 5 inch nails laid on the floor, glowing hot.
The curtain pelmet was blown inwards ...
A book abot the Quabbalah on my desk, took fire.
The electrical equipment in my room began to behave insane ...
Suppressed frustration is it called, what many refer to as telechinese.
I would like to end these posting by a beautifull song of the Norwegian artist Cecilia, on her CD “The Voice of the Feminine Spirit”. When meditating on Easter 1996, after having heard the sound of Creation, I came into inner communion with a person, wherafter I heard beautifull music inside. The voice of these beeing was later identified as Stuart Wilde, a person I never have met, nor talked to. And a woman I know sendt me these CD some days later as a gift. Surprised I was, when discovering that the music was on that CD ! The song is called “The Sacred Hum”
THE SACRED HUM:
I toiled and toiled and then I found
the source of all eternal sound.
What tone is that ? I´m often asked.
In what phrase is it cast ?
I cannot say from whence it comes.
It runs and runs.
My heart knows, ‘tis from above;
eternal love.
Within lays a mysterious fact,
taken from an ancient tract.
Tell me, is it fluite or drum ?
Nay ! It is a sacred hum.
Within that hum, a violet hue
comes flashing through.
In that tone, the healing light
with all its might.
Angels voices bending space and time,
calling all heaven´s bells to chime;
inviting souls that are pure of hearth, become
the sacred hum.
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 01:45:36 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
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Not much is written about Dumo Yoga. One book (concise) with a practical
value is:
Title: The Six Yogas of Naropa and Teachings on Mahamudra
Author: C. C. Chang
Chapters: Mystic Heat (Dumo) Yoga
Illusory Body Yoga
Dream Yoga
Clear Light Yoga
Bardo Yoga
Consciousness Transference Yoga
The Elementary Practice of Dumo Yoga has the following paragraphs:
1) Visualizing the Emptiness, or Hollowness of the Body
2) Visualizing the main Psychic Nerves, or Nadis
3) [Vase-] Breathing Exercises
4) Manipulating the Bindus
5) Bodily Exercises
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:18:35 -0600 (MDT)
From: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Happiness
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Hello
Sometimes I feel this to be true, I'm outwardly quiet and serious, somone
may say 'are you allright?' (this -did- happen one time) and I was totally
surprised... since inwardly I'm just being...often this includes a kind of
quiet intense joy...life is love....and it it is good.
Finally situations are comming into my life which allow me to begin to
open my heart chakra again...it has this habbit of closing regularily,
like a small rock or clenched fist and often I -think- I'm happy, then I
sense my heart and feel it closed, and really it's mental activity, joy
and excitment that way. Is anyone familier with this? sorry not making
much sense today I'm kind of lost in the music... Maybe what I'm trying
to say is that each chakra can experiance 'joy' our natural state which is
clear and open so energy can flow through. And that our heart - centerd
joy is what we call happyness? Yes! That works ;) for now...
Oh yeah, have any of you experianced such magical joy from favorite songs
that it just openes your heart this very seccond!!!????
Try some music by YES, especially UNION and the song IT CAN HAPPEN on
90125...
No it doesn't work for everyone, maybe I'm just excited to have a new
favorite group and connect really well with thier music....!!!!!!
LOVE AND LIGHT
Angie
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 18:34:26 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Jan Barendrecht'" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Subject: RE: RE: kundalini rising (was RE: 3 times K. from 1 to 7)
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Kurt wrote:
<snip>
>Thus you can posit as many Beings as you want and it doesn't
> matter -because according to this view they are in a parallel universe.
> Nothing cannot influence without being influenced. If Being influences,
> then it must be influenced in the process. Everything is
>interdependent.
Jan:
The idea of parallel universes is more or less accepted in order to fix the
paradox with time-travel through wormholes. According to the neti-neti
doctrine, Being cannot be defined and yet it isn't equal to nothing. So
Being cannot influence nor can it be influenced. However, it can be
experienced, contrary to spanda, which is a technical concept. The
experience of OM at certain occasions cannot be denied, but the very fact
that these occasions are rare and the sound is heard for only a short time,
poses some difficulties for an explanation as "hearing the sound of the
Absolute". If one manages to remain conscious during the process of falling
asleep, one will observe a tremendous burst of energy, turning off, among
others, all motor-systems and sometimes producing a sound, similar to OM,
but at an other pitch and not as loud. As on the rare occasions, where OM is
experienced, something is irreversibly changed physically also (but with
much more energy involved then when falling asleep), the change alone could
be causing the sound (eventually as a secondary effect).
KK: Sorry Jan, I couldn't follow that.
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 19:23:45 -0600 (MDT)
From: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
To: Louis Conjar <lconjarATnospamerols.com>
Cc: janstockATnospammetz.une.edu.au, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
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Thank you for pointing out that possible/definite symptom! I don't
currently have it but I know my father (who is very open minded but as far
as I know doesn't sense energy but does lucid dreaming occasionally) has
this on his toe. It is a reoccuring thing...I'll have to tell him...thank
you!
- Angela Mary Broad
(Dream Made Real)
:) ~~!!!!!!`````
I'm hearing it, I'm beleiveing it, I'm loving it!!!
LIFE
Date: Sun, 10 May 1998 20:55:25 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Happiness
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Hi Angie!
>
>Sometimes I feel this to be true, I'm outwardly quiet and serious, somone
>may say 'are you allright?' (this -did- happen one time) and I was totally
>surprised... since inwardly I'm just being...often this includes a kind of
>quiet intense joy...life is love....and it it is good.
>
>...sorry not making
>much sense today I'm kind of lost in the music...
>
>Oh yeah, have any of you experianced such magical joy from favorite songs
>that it just openes your heart this very seccond!!!????
>
When I was teaching, I'd be walking down a hall and someone would say,
"What IS that you're humming?" Surprise - I didn't know I was humming.
Then one day someone asked, "Why are you always humming?" And I realized I
always have music going in my head, so I might be walking down the hall,
not feeling very happy that day, but the music was going and there was a
lot of joy inside!
One night recently I was working with my guru, and some song started
playing in my head. He said, "If we must have music, make it classical!"
So an operatic aria started up, and I've been playing/singing a lot of
opera recently in my head. I love it!
My favorite joy music is Beethoven's "Ode to Joy" - 9th Symphony, I think.
Love,
Ann
Date: Mon, 11 May 1998 00:03:40 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Full Moon Chart
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The Full Moon of Taurus will be exact on May 11 at 2:29 pm GMT (10:29 am
EDT). If you would like 1) the Full Moon chart for the planet Earth, and/or
2) the Sabian symbols and aspects for the chart, drop me an email.
Love,
Ann
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