1998/05/07 16:54
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #359
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 359
Today's Topics:
New Gifts-Dreamstuff (long) [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
My shaktipat experience (long) [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-me [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Happiness [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: My son, my son . . .About the Lo [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-me [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
Re: My son, my son . . .About the Lo [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: Happiness [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Fwd: Re: Happiness(amckeon's husband [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: To Activate or not to activate [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Happiness [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: To Activate or not to activate [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: Happiness [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
k & weight [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
RE: Non-denominational kundalini?-me [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: To Activate or not to activate ( [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:54:27 +0100
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>,
The List <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: New Gifts-Dreamstuff (long)
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I'm gonna apologize beforehand, but last night was so charged energy I
*have* to share with the list!
Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
> Your dream (and your interpretation) suggests to me that you might
> enjoy reading "Leaving My Father's House" by Marion Woodman. The 3rd
> story in particular is about a woman finding her own vision when she
> steps out of the context of the conventional world. Best wishes, Holly
Wow! Last night I briefly read through the third chapter in this book, and
although I cannot relate to the sexual abuse experiences, I think I can
see what brought up this story. I was grounding and meditating on chakras
and Reiki-ing myself later, at bedtime...and the following dream was the
(apparent) result:
I had just moved into a new house, a wooden frame home that had once been
a small hotel, in the middle of a large city, on a south-facing hillside,
and the first thing I did to was put in a pond at the bottom of the small
hill and cover the hillside with rocks and flowering plants. I had three
cats, and brought home a new cat, a large wild yellow tabby that was more
like a cougar than a housecat. I was afraid this new cat would not get
along well with the rest, but it did, the only problem was that she liked
to roll in the flowers along the hillside and break their stems.
A friend of mine (from whom I have not heard in some time, she is going
through a rather rough perimenopausal time she says) from waking life came
to visit, in waking life she is rather heavy (heavier than she is
comfortable with) and dresses only in jeans and t-shirts, in the dream she
had lost quite a bit of weight and was wearing a silky nice cut blouse,
skirt and jacket, and was very different from the person I know, except
for her pretty, long, thick, wavy red hair streaked with gray. She had
gifts for me: a series of video cameras and monitors and motion detectors
for a security system for the house; three bottles of perfume with flower
petals inside, one with my name as the scent name, that she had mixed
specifically for me; a huge big screen home theater (I mean about 6 feet
by 18 feet)...and some other things. She had taken her shoes off and was
sitting at the edge of the pond, with her feet in the water,
enjoying...and I kept wondering at all the gifts, walking around the house
and noticing more and more as I went. The house also kept
"expanding"...that is to say there were rooms that I had not noticed
before: there was, in the room that held the huge home theater screen, a
game room and a theater style snack bar; and there was a hallway I had not
noticed before. The hallway extended from the southwest corner of the
house and headed further south.
I went down this hallway, with my friend and some other people, and we
found a series of bedrooms and other rooms we did not know existed, some
empty, all the rooms paneled in dark rich wood, some with old, dark velvet
upholstered but not antique, just outdated furniture, stacked there.
Another room, roughly quarter circle shaped, glassed in and with stone
steps going down as though it was amphitheater seating, apparently a
meditation or observation room, with a sound system, a woman's voice
saying something I could not quite understand...and at the bottom of this
room, and further south, yet another series of hallways, this time with
lighter walls or glass, some of the areas were restaurant-like, and all
the rooms south of the "amphitheater" room were absolutely full of
hundreds and hundreds of different objects, but all in themes...some games
rooms with video games and pinball machines, some bar-like or soda
fountain rooms, and one menagerie room with birds in cages, and cats
everywhere...a breed of siamese cats that had delicate white skin and fur
that would be damaged by the sun...a dog that had black and white
geometric patterns, like a dalmation but the black was not freeform spots,
definite angular and circular patterns; and further on more rooms full of
antiques of all sorts, the further we went, the more rooms, the more open,
and eventually the west entrance to a shopping mall.
It was apparent that the previous owners of this house had been either
owners or developers of the shopping mall, and the long "trail" of
different rooms was somehow connected to this, although the home and all
these rooms was a private residence, now looking like a large estate more
than a small hotel. We did not venture into the mall, but backtracked
through the rooms toward the house, and on our way we found a room with
memorabilia of the previous owners: the family had been in real estate,
and had also had contacts with "the rich and famous"; the patriarch of the
family, a "Mr. Drew" had been given a gold colored jacket worn on stage by
Mick Jagger, and the family history room was full of newspaper clippings
with photos of Mr. Drew and the rich and famous over the years. The house
and all of these myriad wonders and things and stuff was now mine to do
with what I liked, and still the more I wandered back toward the house,
now by myself, the more things I saw...all colors, all sorts, food,
antiques, clothes, art, all over the place as though in a museum or shop.
On the way back toward the private home, I also saw that people were
wandering about the property, like visitors on a national trust estate.
There were also employees of the estate that were taking care of serving
food and making sure that at closing time the tall glass doors were shut
behind the last leaving visitor.
I was still making my way back to the hillside home and marveling at all
the stuff when the dream came to an end.
***okay...I'm not even gonna start to try to analyze this in depth, but
*if* a house represents the self, does this mean I just went
multi-personalitied? <just joking>
but seriously...am I just beginning to realize the depths of my own self
here and recognize the gifts of Kundalini/Shakti/lifeforce? Or was it just
a 'payoff' in the form of a real interesting scenario?
This was soooo cool!
Brightest blessings...Delirium
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 11:06:54 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: My shaktipat experience (long)
Message-ID: <3551CE0F.3B336567ATnospamerols.com>
Hi Folks,
I am back, needless to say! I had a great visit to the lovely state of
Oregon, spent a lot of quality time with my sister Blythe, less time with my
daughter at OSU, was able to get to know Barbara Millikan whom many of you
know from the list.
And I received my shaktipat initiation from Dhenish. I was really excited to
be able to meet him, because I realized from our email exchanges that he was a
dear friend whom I hadn't seen in thousands of years. It was great just to be
with him again All in all 11 of us were initiated; Blythe and Barb, who were
initiated about two months earlier, got a touch-up zap before Dhenish took off
for home. For me, it was a gentle but lovely experience. Blythe's partner
found himself sobbing when his initiation occurred. Blythe found herself face
down on the floor after her meditation but didn't know how she got there!
(Barb filled her in on that and made sure she didn't hurt herself while her
kriyas occurred...though she was in no danger as it turned out, Shakti
protected her from harm.)
The following days were pretty funny. Those of us who were staying at
Blythe's sat around mellow beyond belief and totally stoned on the sweet
energy. One of the conversations developed the phrase, "Damn the hamsters,
full speed ahead!" but no one now remembers how we got there or why it is
still extremely funny to us.
Our intellectual thought processes were nonexistent, and for a couple of days
neither Blythe or I could write. Blythe spent 30 minutes trying to write
"jockey shorts" on a shopping list, finally gave up and had me do it as I was
somewhat less impaired than she. It took me only 10 or 15 minutes to get
three things written down! We did go shopping the next day, (fortunately
Blythe could still drive), but when it came time to sign my credit card
receipt I found myself staring at it, pen in hand, trying to remember how to
sign my name. I didn't do too well!
So far I have experienced tears at the beauty of the Bhutta Shuddhi, tears
because I miss Dhenish, a few past life memories to be dealt with, and a nasty
cold courtesy of my daughter's roommate. That, and a whole lot of joy. Oh,
and once I got paralyzed in the middle of chanting an OM and was stuck there
for five or ten minutes with my mouth hanging open. Boy, did I feel silly!
It feels good to know that I have the protection afforded by this initiation,
though my k experiences have been gentle all along. And I like having the
sankalpa available to help me with the tough parts.
It's good to be back with you.
Love, Orea
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 08:01:34 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
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>
>From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
>Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
What amazes me is that so many people who are not
>particularly devout, in this life time anyway, now have awakened K is
>this the sign of a massive step forward in the evolution of mankind
>about to happen?
>In love and respect
>Sai ram
> Chris
>
>Chris..what does "devout" mean to you, anyway??
(perhaps many of us have questioned authority and traditional teachings
precisely AS a sign of evolution of mankind??)
But the reverence and appreciation of life..and the willingness to be
honest seem abundantly present on this list...that's devout..in the
sense of devoted to truth..
Just a random tho't,
Glo
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:09:36 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Happiness
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Sandeep:
>Hi everybody
>
>If you have reasons to be happy then you really are not happy!
>
>Any views?
>
>
Hello :)
Just taking a wild guess here. If I am happy because I am happily married,
I cannot really be happy because it could so easily change should my
husband have a fatal heart attack? Happiness so easily lost is no happiness
at all? I see your point.
JMHO,
amckeon
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 09:46:22 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu, lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: My son, my son . . .About the Lobster
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>From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
>
>In a message dated 5/7/1998, 2:03:40 AM, blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu
writes:
><<Hurrah!
>
>Is it "un-evolved" of me to be glad he's gone? He was a rude one,
alright.
>>>
>Harsha: No. Do not think you are un-evolved. You are happy because you
feel
>that the person who caused you pain is gone. God bless you. Ed Jason
>(Lobster) contributed beautifully and insightfully to the list and I
have
>great respect for his knowledge, honesty, and appreciate his humor. It
is true
>that sometimes people felt hurt by his comments. But do they not say
that we
>always hurt the ones we love the most?
>
Glo Lee: Thank you Harsha... I tried many times to defend the pinch of
the Lobster claw to others..because I sincerely believe it WAS done with
love..or at least was a sign of caring..sometimes caring enough to
confront is a great kindness. If he made me, among many others, stop and
take a look at ourselves..often the insight gained was well worth the
"hurt" of a Lobster pinch. He did what he did usually with grace and
humor..and he will be missed by many of us here. His thoughtful and
provocative comments are not easily replaced.
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 17:58:25 +0100
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk
Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
Message-ID: <1998050717582584101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
The message <19980507150135.15414.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
from "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> contains these words:
> >
> >From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
> >Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
> What amazes me is that so many people who are not
> >particularly devout, in this life time anyway, now have awakened K is
> >this the sign of a massive step forward in the evolution of mankind
> >about to happen?
> >In love and respect
> >Sai ram
> > Chris
> >
> >Chris..what does "devout" mean to you, anyway??
> (perhaps many of us have questioned authority and traditional teachings
> precisely AS a sign of evolution of mankind??)
> But the reverence and appreciation of life..and the willingness to be
> honest seem abundantly present on this list...that's devout..in the
> sense of devoted to truth..
> Just a random tho't,
> Glo
Dear Soul Glo
I agree with all of the above
I have and do certainly ? authority and would not sit comfortably in
a rigid religious group but this is perhaps my ego at work as
naturally I tend to think my path is the best for me after all I chose it.
Didn't I ??? I suppose the word devout is not the best one I meant
that in the "past" people had to go through all sorts of austerities
and meditate for years befor K awakened.
Love Chris
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 10:50:24 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>, blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu,
lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: My son, my son . . .About the Lobster
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At 09:46 AM 5/7/98 PDT, Gloria Lee wrote:
>
>
>>From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
>
>>
>>In a message dated 5/7/1998, 2:03:40 AM, blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu writes:
>><<Hurrah!
>>
>>Is it "un-evolved" of me to be glad he's gone? He was a rude one, alright.
>>>>
>>Harsha: No. Do not think you are un-evolved. You are happy because you
feel that the person who caused you pain is gone. God bless you. Ed Jason
(Lobster) contributed beautifully and insightfully to the list and I
>have great respect for his knowledge, honesty, and appreciate his humor.
It is true that sometimes people felt hurt by his comments. But do they not
say that we always hurt the ones we love the most?
>>
>Glo Lee: Thank you Harsha... I tried many times to defend the pinch of the
Lobster claw to others..because I sincerely believe it WAS done with
love..or at least was a sign of caring..sometimes caring enough to
>confront is a great kindness. If he made me, among many others, stop and
take a look at ourselves..often the insight gained was well worth the
"hurt" of a Lobster pinch. He did what he did usually with grace and
>humor..and he will be missed by many of us here. His thoughtful and
provocative comments are not easily replaced.
Dor: Thanks to both of you. Sure Ed did provoke a lot of people, but if one
was bothered by this perhaps they were in need of understanding themselves.
When I first came on the list in '96 - I was a bit pissed at a couple of
things, but as time went on, I began to see what was written between the
lines. I missed him when he fell off the list - and welcomed him back upon
his return. I've learned from him... and I shall miss him once again. So
Lobster dear - there are some of us that truly will miss you and your wit -
even your sarcasm - some need it to see beyond the trees.
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:22:55 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com, sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Happiness
Message-ID: <19980507192255.26099.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>
>>My reason to be happy is that I am happy beyond all reason. Holly
>>
>
>Isn't that a reason?
>Any reason no matter what, would make the happiness incomplete,
dependent,
>not total, not whole, not unconditional not perpetual.
>
>The reason becomes more important in the equation and hence the rat
race to
>protect the reason, to defend it at all cost, the focus is on the
reason
>rather than happiness.
>
>Sandeep
>
Hey Sandeep....pssst..isn't saying ANY reason also a kind of reason??
Which is first what you point out to Holly...(except being happy BEYOND
reason does imply without ANY reason)...so then YOU go on to describe
how it must be unconditional and perpetual...well, aren't those
REASONS??? Can I not be supremely happy .. but say it IS fleeting?? A
cherry blossom just sends me to ecstasy, tho I know it will not last...
so what?? You are getting just as ATTACHED to your "reasoning" ..so its
STILL a kind of reason. The ONLY reason permitted for happiness must be
now unconditional, perpetual, and total. Is that it?? Sweety, I do see
your point you aretrying to make here, but do you see mine?? It seems
the attachment is really the problem..not the duration. Enjoy, let go...
Not that interested in perpetual sameness, anyway.
Glo
PS. Nuclear fallout hangs around a very long time, too...
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Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 12:38:02 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in
Subject: Fwd: Re: Happiness(amckeon's husband)
Message-ID: <19980507193802.10627.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
>
>
>Sandeep:
>>Hi everybody
>>
>>If you have reasons to be happy then you really are not happy!
>>
>>Any views?
>>
>>
>
>Hello :)
>
>Just taking a wild guess here. If I am happy because I am happily
married,
>I cannot really be happy because it could so easily change should my
>husband have a fatal heart attack? Happiness so easily lost is no
happiness
>at all? I see your point.
>
>JMHO,
>amckeon
>
Glo, being extra cranky and cantakerous today..maybe..BUT
amckeon, do not so easily see this point..since all of life is so easily
lost. This likewise, does not mean we are forbidden to find happpiness
IN IT. In fact, if you are so fortunately blessed as to actually BE
happily married..I suggest you bow to the East AND West, at least 3
times a day, and give thanks to Cupid or any god of your choice for the
happiness you ARE enjoying. (grinning, but serious)
PS.. if Sandeep or anyone can explain to my why this non-affirmation of
life is even necessary?? I do see the point of fleeting stuff,and also
non-attachment..but somehow it just all the more compells me to savor
WHAT IS HERE !!!!!
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:44:26 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
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The Brentmeister wrote:
>For weight loss, you ever consider just not eating? I'm pretty sure that
>people >need far less food than most people think they need.
Whoa! I never thought of that! I'm gonna try that today (slapping
forehead). Jeez, what would I do without your advice, Brenterino? You are
my new guru, fer shure ;-P~
amckeon
(who can feel those pounds melting off already)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:00:18 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: samyanaATnospamhotmail.com, hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com, sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Happiness
Message-ID: <916f5769.355212d3ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/7/1998 12:23:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
samyanaATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< The reason becomes more important in the equation and hence the rat
race to
>protect the reason, to defend it at all cost, the focus is on the
reason
>rather than happiness.
>
>Sandeep
>
Hey Sandeep....pssst..isn't saying ANY reason also a kind of reason??
Which is first what you point out to Holly...(except being happy BEYOND
reason does imply without ANY reason)...so then YOU go on to describe
how it must be unconditional and perpetual...well, aren't those
REASONS??? Can I not be supremely happy .. but say it IS fleeting?? A
cherry blossom just sends me to ecstasy, tho I know it will not last...
so what?? You are getting just as ATTACHED to your "reasoning" ..so its
STILL a kind of reason. The ONLY reason permitted for happiness must be
now unconditional, perpetual, and total. Is that it?? Sweety, I do see
your point you aretrying to make here, but do you see mine?? It seems
the attachment is really the problem..not the duration. Enjoy, let go...
Harsha: Dear Gloria, how easily and unerringly you put your finger on the
heart of the matter. Your simplicity and depth is remarkable and points to
the true silence behind all the noise.
Date: Thu, 07 May 1998 13:06:36 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
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Whoa, wait a minute here... has anyone ever mentioned that upon activation
of the K - that the thyroid can get of whack? With some people it really
is a problem. Others have no problem, and in fact, works in the reverse,
speeding up the metabolism.
To blame weight gain on an open mouth is not funny, especially when you eat
so little and still gain weight... For me, I could eat my dinner and my
husbands and not gain any weight before K - now I eat very little. Why?
Thyroid problems, what else! And Brentmeister - speak for yourself, if you
need far less food, eat less, however if your metabolism has sped up - good
for you, some others are not that fortunate.
dor
hungry but not eating
At 02:44 PM 5/7/98 -0600, you wrote:
>The Brentmeister wrote:
>
>>For weight loss, you ever consider just not eating? I'm pretty sure that
people >need far less food than most people think they need.
>
>Whoa! I never thought of that! I'm gonna try that today (slapping
forehead). Jeez, what would I do without your advice, Brenterino? You are
my new guru, fer shure ;-P~
>
>amckeon
>(who can feel those pounds melting off already)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:46:16 EDT
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Happiness
Message-ID: <1bc5c814.35521d99ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-05-07 03:28:07 EDT, you write:
<< If you have reasons to be happy then you really are not happy!
Any views?
Sandee >>
Hi Sandeep, Every night before I go to sleep I count on my fingers all the
good things that happened to me that day. Some days I can think of 20 or 30
great things that made me happy that day, and it helps me go to sleep easily
and peacefully. So, according to your post, that makes me really depressed!
(???) --Michele
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:04:48 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: k & weight
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>At 02:44 PM 5/7/98 -0600, you wrote:
>>The Brentmeister wrote:
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>>>For weight loss, you ever consider just not eating? I'm pretty sure that
>people >need far less food than most people think they need.
>>
>>Whoa! I never thought of that! I'm gonna try that today (slapping
>forehead). Jeez, what would I do without your advice, Brenterino? You are
>my new guru, fer shure ;-P~
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>>amckeon
>>(who can feel those pounds melting off already)
hahaha! I'm with ya -- I've had the surges my wholelife and I'm *not* a
skinny gal. In fact, (i hope this isn't disrespectful) but the pix i've
seen of Yogananda he was a healthy squire, also. :)
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Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 16:28:09 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Imtgxxx'" <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
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Kurt wrote:
The reason that I find this observation troubling is that I'm not sure
that many people are well-suited to traverse this path on their own. I
certainly acknowledge that there are those that will find their own
natural guidance from the evolution of kundalini but I think that most
will not only benefit from a guide but will require it. Won't you?
Tg says:
Well there goes that theory when the student is ready, the teacher will
appear...
KK:
Where did it go? Actually I believe that proverb. I don't think that I
contradicted it. But my question related to my newfound sense that : 1)
most people on this list apparently are not under any kind of ``formal''
guidance wrt kundalini and 2) most of those people prefer it that way.
If rather than point 2) people feel:
2b) most of those people are awaiting formal guidance or are preparing
themselves for guidance.
that would be a different view.
So my trial ballooning of these ideas was to see whether people say: ``yep,
that's the way I feel - what's your problem with it'' or whether they say
``you got it wrong, actually I feel ...''
Getting back to your point that: `` theory when the student is ready, the
teacher will
appear...'' In my experience awareness of the need of a guide is a key part
of readiness. At least it was in my case.
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 18:41:31 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate (aye there's the rub)
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Me:
Just when I think I'm going to be able to keep my mouth shut for awhile...
Brent:
tons of yoga-types fast and eat one meal a day or eat only fruit....
Me:
Gee, do you think lifestyle has anything to do with it? On the one hand we
have someone who's life is devoted to meditation, etc. On the other we have
the 40 hours a week at a stressful/boring job, family responsibilities, etc.
Seriously, though, during my highest point of K activity/manifestation I
was simply not interested in food. My boyfriend of the time and other
members of my family had to force me to eat. I was also not working or
going to school or doing housework or much of anything else. Existence
alone was involving enough.
But I had two small children that needed me. It was too soon to "bliss out"
of existence. Now that I am "normal" and my K is back down to a mere pilot
light glow, my old appetites are back.
Tgxxx:
Originality is amckeon's specialty.
Me:
That is one of the nicest things anyone has ever said about me!
Tgxxx:
If at first you don't succeed, eat something then take a nap.
Me:
Works for me!
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