1998/05/07 07:53
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #358
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 358
Today's Topics:
Non-denominational kundalini?-medium [ Brad Krebs <bradATnospamRAVINE.EECS.Berkel ]
Re: My son, my son . . . [ lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk> ]
Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-me [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Re: My son, my son . . . [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
RE: Near-Death Experience [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
RE: The goal [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
RE: Yoga Web Sites [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: My son, my son . . . [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Happiness [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Such is the Nature of Things [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Chakra names [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Question for Sandeep [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-me [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: Happiness [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
RE: Near-Death Experience [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-me [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
My son, my son . . .About the Lobste [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Happiness [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 15:21:27 -0700
From: Brad Krebs <bradATnospamRAVINE.EECS.Berkeley.EDU>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
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There have been a series of related (in my mind posts) - and I have been
trying to sort out my thinking on them. First let me give some context
in the related posts
Someone recently asked me (hope this is anonymous enough):
``So, what good is an active k to me??? The surges are fun, but can I be
*doing* something with them??''
...
I posted all my interests in the traditional Chinese, Indian and Tibetan
approaches to which Sharon Webb replied, in a very kind and diplomatic
way that's hard to abstract ``and I, sadly, am not interested in any of
them''
...
I asked where are all the disciples of Yogi Bhajan and List Mystress
replied that students with Gurus are listening to their gurus and not
hanging out posting on this list.
...
I was amazed when only one person (me, I guess) reported shaktipat as
their means of awakening in Dan Margolis kundalini awakening poll.
...
So all this adds up to the plain fact that this is the list of the
spontaneously awakened non-denominational kundalini awakened (with their
attendant lurkers). This may not be news to the rest of you but this
was a big wake-up call for me.
The reason that I find this observation troubling is that I'm not sure
that many people are well-suited to traverse this path on their own. I
certainly acknowledge that there are those that will find their own
natural guidance from the evolution of kundalini but I think that most
will not only benefit from a guide but will require it. Won't you?
Kurt
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 21:13:31 -0700
From: lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: My son, my son . . .
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Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> Pease refrain from reposting such things in future. It is a discussion
> list, and the bandwidth is best reserved for postings WRITTEN by members.
> Thankyou for your co-operation.
> Blessings, Mystress.
> >Two long-time Jewish friends, happened to meet,
> > and one noticed that the other seemed depressed.
> >
> > "What's wrong?" he asked.
Oh Dear - a co-operative Lobster that does not post jokes. Ah well :-)
Apart from not writing with my member I also (strange as it may seem)
use my limited wisdom to activate something akin to "k" known as
laughter, when I feel (by my spooky Lobsterian powers) this is
appropriate and required by a majority of members. I do not make it a
general rule.
However as I am unable to co-operate with anyone who wishes to reserve
bandwidth to a required mode of "discussion", I must of course
unsubscribe.
Be Well,
Lobster
PS as the dolphins said . . .
"thanks for all the fish"
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 19:11:50 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
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Kurt wrote:
The reason that I find this observation troubling is that I'm not sure
that many people are well-suited to traverse this path on their own. I
certainly acknowledge that there are those that will find their own
natural guidance from the evolution of kundalini but I think that most
will not only benefit from a guide but will require it. Won't you?
Well there goes that theory when the student is ready, the teacher will
appear...
xxxtg
* You miss 100% of the shots you don't take *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:26:09 -1000 (HST)
From: Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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A QUIZ
Question 1
Contemplate on the OM-sign, used by the theosophs among others. Many believes that this is the original OM-sign, but it isn´t. It´s a copy of an older symbol.
There is however, a marvelous esoteric meaning hidden in these simple sanscrit-letter.
Question 2
What does OM-MANI-PADME-HUM - Chenreezis mantra, mean ? Can someone translate it into English ?
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:30:08 -1000 (HST)
From: Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
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PRANA VIDYA
PART I
The egg and the sperm cells carries our genetic system. They are expressions of the human evolution. But, we must distinguish between the reproduction lust and our evolution. Just as a given species is interested to survive, although it´s evolution is a cul-de-sac or status quo, so is it that we humans has a tendency to repeat old patterns in the spiritual realms, although they are outdated.
Anyway, both are connected to our genetic system.
Prana Vidya begins with the enlightment and understanding of the complex dim and obscurity of the egg and sperm-cells: The sexual lust, the orgasm lust, the physiological pressure, the survival of species, the evolution, the egofeeding aspect.
In an existencial meditation, our consciousness explore the egg end sperm cells. Imagine a sirculation inside the ovaries / testicles. Woman centers their awareness in both ovaries simultaniosly. Men in both testicles. Synchronised with the breath, the consciousness - the feeling inside the ovaries / testicles, the experience of vibrating energy - moves in circels. Beginning in the bottom of the ovaries / testicles, we move the consciousness upwards into the organs while breathing in, and soft downwards during exhalation.
These meditative process listens and investigates, feels and sense, to see and understand the nature of the egg end sperm-cells, their unique energy. In the egg- and the sperm-cells, the genetical system is organized in the dual spirals of the DNA. The meditation causes a feeling, an experience of energy, in which the holography of the cells becomes conscious.
Usually, there is are no contact between the consciousness and the ovaries / testicles. There is no inner connection of experience. The consciousness is in deep sleep in these planes. By the above mentioned meditation, the consciousness will, very, very slow but certain, begin to awake in these deep planes. And it will slowly change our attitude to sex. The process of awakening opens a multidude of phenomeas and perspectives, which will change our attitude to what sexuality really is.
Deep beneath or conscious ego are the archetypes, the primordial dreams and the collective subconscious dreamless sleep. It is the creative processes in the collective subconsiousness, which moves our self towards our Self, our physical body towards the light body.
Instead of allowing the sexual impulses to generate fanasies, thougths - we connect them to our consciousness, transforming them to comprehension, understanding.
Sexuality becomes a source of wisdom, of centeredness, peace, inner strength and beeing.
After having transformed our outer sexual poles to inner poles, to inner Yin/Yang, we finally enters the asexual tribe energy of neutrality, the original form of the sexual energy.
These primordial energy flows into our consciousness as clearness and awakeness.
PART II
During ordinary sexual activity, there´s a blood stream to the sexual organs. Energy in polar forms aggregates around the Muladhara and Swadhistana Chakrams. These concentrated bloodstream, causes increased fluids in our sexual organs, usually drained away by our lymphs. But when transforming the orgasm to a spiritual growth, the draining of the abdomen will disappear.
So, in addition, these technique must complement the previous. During inhalation, the consciousness, the energy and the feeling moves upwards through the divided paths of the lymphs, to their meeting point, further upwards to the left part of our lungs into the hearth center.
The Prana moves upwards. It reches the hearth. And out from the hearth, a divine white light, carries the Prana to the rest of the body, causing an experience of the whole body simultanously, not one single part, but the whole (holy) body. We experience our whole body - our inner , real form (svarupa), beeing filled with these white light.
Svarupa is a meditation in itself. These is it´s strongest form. Filling it with the healing energy of prana from our hearth.
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 14:35:19 -1000 (HST)
From: Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
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THE ANATOMY OF THE ATLANTEAN, ORIGINAL LANGUAGE
There were two graphical character sets used by the Atlantean inhabitans, with 33 and 72 letters respectively. Concerning their graphic language, we find parallels in the Quabbalah.
>From the Jewish “Sepher Jezirah”, I quote:
"In the 32 most occult and wonderful paths of wisdom, did JHVH, the Lord of Hosts, Tzabaoth, Elohi of Israel, Alhim of Life, The El of Mercy and Compassion engrave his name . . . He created this universe by the three Sepharim, Number, Writing, and Speech.
B-S´ph-er V-S´ph-r V-S´ph-r
(346) + (340) + (340) = 1026
"10 are the numbers, as are the Sephiroth, and 22 the letters; these are the Foundation of all things. Of these letters, 3 are mothers, 7 are double, and 12 are simple.
"The 10 numbers formed from NO-THING (AIN), are the Decad; these are seen in the fingers of the hands, 5 on one, 5 on the other, and over them is the Covenant by voice spiritual, and the rite of Circumcision, corporeal (as of Abraham).
"10 are the numbers of the ineffable Sephiroth, 10 and not 9, 10 and not 11. Learn this wisdom, and be wise in the understanding of it; investigate these numbers, and draw knowledge from them. ...."
The Three of Life (The Spine) is buildt around 10 Sephirots and 22 Paths (7 Chakras and their interconnections). One would assume the existence of an 11. Sephira in the Three. These place is dedicated the Sphere of DAATH, or Knowledge, which is the Child of Chokmah (2) and Binah (3). As it is written: “Draw Knowledge from them”.
But it is not shown, beeing a Higher Dimensionally Knowledge growing VERTICALLY from the Three of Life. From the diametrical direction it is NO THING or Khaos.
Not only is the Three of Life a TRULY LIVING THREE from which The Three of Knowledge forming the 33th grows; the two directions forms a CROSS.
If DAATH should be drawn in the Three, it would need extra “Paths” leading to it. But it is said that the Ways of Wisdom are 32, that is 10 Emanations (“10 and not 9”, “10 and not 11”) and their 22 interconnections. Therefore we find an "Abyss," and no direct link between Binah (3) and Chesed (4).
+ + +
In a 1996, [ ...] dreamed that She was visiting me where I then lived. When She touched my left hand, she saw that it had grown demonic. These was previous to my experience of astral attacks.
On June 20th, 1997, She received the following channeling in Theta, after having some glimpses of The Ultimate Extreme Ligth:
“Have You seen The Face of Buddha or The Kauric Dimension ?”
Then She saw the following figure, burning:
Then She saw my left hand cut off, laying on the floor with a green ligth inside.
Later, I realized that these sign is called KES in old norse; its a rune which burns.
Kes is the symbol of our Guiding INNER LIGTH, The Beacon of Ligth (as is Da´ath) for the Seeker. In the old norse mythology about Kes, a God had to cut off his left hand in order to save the World. These is an amazing syncronism, since the 3´rd person involved studied runes at these time.
Likewise, in the old Norwegian version of the Three of Life (Yggdrasil), another Three grows out from it. It is also peculiar to observe that His Path of Initiation is called “Yar-Gi-Sang-Thal-Chen-Po” - The Great Straigthforward UPWARDS (VERTICAL) Way (Towards The Clear, Original Ligth which is seen after Death), an oral Tradition, which forms a secret Tibetan doctrine.
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In Sepher Jezirah it´s said:
«10 are the numbers, as are the Sephiroth, and 22 the letters; these are the Foundation of all things. Of these letters, 3 are mothers, 7 are double, and 12 are simple.»
So he have The Trinity of God in the Sacred Name AUM (The “Word of Creation”, pronounced «AONG», in a deep bass-tone, the «M» beeing an «NG» sound through the nose), The 7 Rays of Life and 12 Divine Characteristics:
These numbers gives:
1)
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7 x 3 Flames = 21 Letters
12 Characteristics = 12 Letters
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Total 33 Letters
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2)
Furthermore:
«The 10 numbers formed from NO-THING (AIN), are the Decad; these are seen in the fingers of the hands, 5 on one, 5 on the other»
Here we group the subtle body energies by the 5 Elements (Earth, Water, Fire, Air, plasma) - of which China´s doctrine of elements is a remniscent - The 6th beeing the unmanifested NO-THING.
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12 Divine Characteristics x 5 elements = 60 Letters
12 Divine Charactertstics (the unmanifested) = 12 Letters
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Total = 72 Letters
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The practical implications of these numbers, concerns the Yin-Yang cirkulation in Kriya Yoga.
Upwards the Spine, a MALE energy rises, giving strength, energy, life. When the energy reaches the throath, it becomes FEMININE, womanlike, going downwards on the front side of the Body, bringing rest, regeneration. When these step reaches it´s climax, the 23 other steps follows.
Among these, we direct the sexual energy inwards, instead of the usual outward expression. The sexual energy goes upward the spine, to the neck, straight forwards to the teeths (where, during nursing, the baby´s drinking of milk is its first positive Yang), downwards on the front side to solar plexus (the region of the baby´s umbilical cord in the womb).
>From here, we shoot the Pearl of Compassion direct upwards, to the non-duality point above our head, to our light Body, a “direct way upwards” to the light.
The traditional Kriya Yoga, presented by Babaji, was a modification of the Chinese “Immortality Body meditation”, presented by Lao-Tse (both were Kut Humi). These in turn was a modification of the materialization technique based on the above numbers.
We have 6 Chakras with Polarities (resulting in 12), two scales between the 7th of balance.
When taking the 5 elements into consideration, we can add to the Kriya Yoga, the ability of materialisation. Many times during meditation, I experience physical manifestation of something you can refer to as plasma.
When performing circulations on the 5 elements + the unmanifested NO-THING, through the 7 chakras and the 5 points, we perform 72 upwards (decrystallizing) and 72 downwards (crystallizing) circulations. Multiplied with 1000 (meeting the crone chakra), we direct these energies through the 72 000 energy tubes in our etheric dublet.
And 72 000, with two poles (Yin / Yang, Upwards / Downwards, Kundalini / Light Body), gives the number 144 000 again.
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 17:03:35 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk>
Cc: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: My son, my son . . .
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As you have also repeatedly proven yourself unable to comply with the
rules about not reposting private mail, which this was, I wish you "Happy
trails! You are welcome to the fish! Bye!
Blessings, Mystress.
At 09:13 PM 05/05/98 -0700, lobster wrote:
>However as I am unable to co-operate with anyone who wishes to reserve
>bandwidth to a required mode of "discussion", I must of course
>unsubscribe.
>
>Be Well,
>Lobster
>
>PS as the dolphins said . . .
>"thanks for all the fish"
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 03:23:53 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Near-Death Experience
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Anyone interested in NDE, OBE should read about ketamine. It is a legal
anesthetic that can produce these experiences. The following 3 links have
some info but there is much more on the web. It seems that only
Self-realization (still?) is impossible to imitate with drugs.
Jan
http://www.totse.com/files/FA051/ketamine.htm
http://www.whatuseek.com/cgi-bin/redirect.go?url=http://www.lycaeum.org/drug
s/synthetics/ketamine/Ketamine_near-death.html
http://www.magnet.ch/serendipity/dmt/ket89.html
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 05:04:28 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: The goal
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For some, the goal is called jivanmukta and a lengthy description is on :
http://www.rsl.ukans.edu/~pkanagar/divine/saints/jivanmukta.htm
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 05:13:39 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Yoga Web Sites
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This site is excellent. It also has a free book on Brahmacharya (a must for
K. practitioners)
The link to download:
http://www.rsl.ukans.edu/~pkanagar/divine/download/download.htm
Pleasant reading - Jan
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 00:58:14 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: My son, my son . . .
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> From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
> To: lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk>
> Cc: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
> Subject: Re: My son, my son . . .
> Date: Wednesday, May 06, 1998 7:03 PM
>
> As you have also repeatedly proven yourself unable to comply with the
> rules about not reposting private mail, which this was, I wish you "Happy
> trails! You are welcome to the fish! Bye!
> Blessings, Mystress.
>
> At 09:13 PM 05/05/98 -0700, lobster wrote:
> >However as I am unable to co-operate with anyone who wishes to reserve
> >bandwidth to a required mode of "discussion", I must of course
> >unsubscribe.
Hurrah!
Is it "un-evolved" of me to be glad he's gone? He was a rude one, alright.
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 12:56:24 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Happiness
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Hi everybody
If you have reasons to be happy then you really are not happy!
Any views?
Sandeep
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 13:04:13 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Such is the Nature of Things
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Hi everybody
Going back is not possible
for where is the past to which to return
Time demolishes the steps we climb to reach the present.
There is no going back
only going forward is possible
forward and forward
and the journey is endless!
There is no goal, no destinations
only resting places,
where the tents are dismantled
as soon as they are pitched
But why fear this anarchy?
All systems are false-
life is anarchic, insecure
He who seeks security, dies before his death
Why this hurry to die?
Death itself will take care of that for us
so is it not right that we learn to live?
And the miracle is
that death does not call
on the one who learns how to live
Such is the nature of things.
Ask for nothing and you will never be frustrated
Anticipate darkness with light and sorrow with happiness
because such is the nature of things
Say to life:What can you do to me? I want nothing
And say to death:What can you do to me?
I have all ready died.
Then you will be truly free
because unless one is free of life
one can never be free of death
And when is free of both
one knows that life which is eternity itself
Such is the nature of things
Sandeep
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:49:49 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Chakra names
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Hi,
I think the name of the chakras MULADAHAR to SAHASRARA also affect the
affect the specific chakras i.e. I mean to say that they are like
mantras for specific chakras. Also I think that the Kundalini word
pronounced should also affect kundalini.
Love,
anurag
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 05:35:10 -0400
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>,
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Question for Sandeep
Message-Id: <199805070936.FAA09115ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
Is there a difference between life and death?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:30:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: Brad Krebs <bradATnospamRAVINE.EECS.Berkeley.EDU>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
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Brad -- "spontaneous awakening," at least in my case, doesn't mean
never having had wonderful teachers, so-called "spiritual" or
otherwise. I've had the grace of learning from rabbis, t'ai-chi
masters, martial arts black belts, writers, artists, therapists,
family, lovers, friends and enemies. Many of us have been seekers on
and off since childhood. Maybe all awakening is due to shaktipat, but
some of us are less definitive about the Source. Holly
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 07:36:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Happiness
Message-Id: <199805071236.HAA24606ATnospamdfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>
My reason to be happy is that I am happy beyond all reason. Holly
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 14:07:44 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Near-Death Experience
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Dear mystress,
How is it possible that the second link I presented in my post is mutilated?
It is broken into two parts and the second part is presented as text instead
of the continuation of the address. Even a primitive program like notepad
doesn't do this...
http://www.whatuseek.com/cgi-bin/redirect.go?url=http://www.lycaeum.org/drug
s/synthetics/ketamine/Ketamine_near-death.html
The following won't be mutilated:
http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/synthetics/ketamine/Ketamine_near-death.html
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 15:15:36 +0100
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Non-denominational kundalini?-medium long
Message-ID: <1998050715153684101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
The message <FD905415E0ECD011922300A0C9558C4B1DDD79ATnospamravine.EECS.Berkeley.EDU>
from Brad Krebs <bradATnospamRAVINE.EECS.Berkeley.EDU> contains these words:
> I was amazed when only one person (me, I guess) reported shaktipat as
> their means of awakening in Dan Margolis kundalini awakening poll.
> ...
> So all this adds up to the plain fact that this is the list of the
> spontaneously awakened non-denominational kundalini awakened (with their
> attendant lurkers). This may not be news to the rest of you but this
> was a big wake-up call for me.
> The reason that I find this observation troubling is that I'm not sure
> that many people are well-suited to traverse this path on their own. I
> certainly acknowledge that there are those that will find their own
> natural guidance from the evolution of kundalini but I think that most
> will not only benefit from a guide but will require it. Won't you?
> Kurt
Dear Souls / Kurt
I did not reply to the poll because strictly speaking my K was
awakened trough mantra and a meditation tape, recording Guruji giving
instruction to seekers at his Asram " The Third Eye Institute of
India" He has said that anyone enroling in the British arm of this
is enroled by Him and under His protection. To make sure that K was
awakened safely in the right channel I went to India where I received
Shaktipat from Him. He assured me that He would look after me in
every way. I dont belong to any religion but have been to see Sai
Baba at Prashanti. I would consider my self a poor devotee of His but
believe He is the Avatar of this age. I believe strongly in the
divinty within all regardless of the path chosen. In the short time I
have been reading the letters on this list I have been impressed by
the divirsity of natures / personality etc and have learned from many
of you. I am surprised that the third eye opening has not been
specifically mentioned as I asumed that it was an integral pert of
becoming "Realised". Muktananda Guruji and others God realised people
have mentioned this. Has any one been blessed with this experience? I
havent as yet. What amazes me is that so many people who are not
particularly devout, in this life time anyway, now have awakened K is
this the sign of a massive step forward in the evolution of mankind
about to happen?
In love and respect
Sai ram
Chris
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 10:35:23 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com,
lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk (lobster)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: My son, my son . . .About the Lobster
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In a message dated 5/7/1998, 2:03:40 AM, blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu writes:
<<Hurrah!
Is it "un-evolved" of me to be glad he's gone? He was a rude one, alright.
>>
Harsha: No. Do not think you are un-evolved. You are happy because you feel
that the person who caused you pain is gone. God bless you. Ed Jason
(Lobster) contributed beautifully and insightfully to the list and I have
great respect for his knowledge, honesty, and appreciate his humor. It is true
that sometimes people felt hurt by his comments. But do they not say that we
always hurt the ones we love the most?
Date: Thu, 7 May 1998 20:05:18 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: "Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D." <hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Happiness
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Hello Holly
>My reason to be happy is that I am happy beyond all reason. Holly
>
Isn't that a reason?
Any reason no matter what, would make the happiness incomplete, dependent,
not total, not whole, not unconditional not perpetual.
The reason becomes more important in the equation and hence the rat race to
protect the reason, to defend it at all cost, the focus is on the reason
rather than happiness.
Sandeep
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