1998/05/05 20:50
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #356
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 356
Today's Topics:
Re: Re: Chakral Sanskrit [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Chakral Sanskrit [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: To Activate or not to activate [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: Kuthumi [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: To Activate or not to activate [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: To Activate or not to activate [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: RE: Kuthumi [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Re: Chakral Sanskrit [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: RE: Kuthumi [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
need to ground energy [ =?iso-8859-1?Q?Galvan_Jim=E9nez_Mar ]
RE: appetites & K [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Unidentified subject! [ 1919q3 <1919q3ATnospamatt.net> ]
Re: need to ground energy [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Shakti and Food (Back to chocolate!) [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:23:47 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
cc: joemillerATnospamhotmail.com, AfperryATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Chakral Sanskrit
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980505232019.18363C-100000ATnospamBhaskara>
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Hi,
Once a priest gave my father a mantra for curing me. My father showed
it to a person well known to mantras. He said the mantra rather than
curing would have lead me to death. Then he gave the correct mantra.
When I saw both mantras the only difference in them was of a bija
mantra.
Love,
anurag
On Fri, 1 May 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 5/1/1998, 11:00:07 AM, joemillerATnospamhotmail.com writes:
> <<Picking one's own bija mantra is not the safest thing one can do without
> proper help. Some bijas are too powerful for some people and can injure
> chakras and nadis, particularly weak ones, by overloading them.
>
> Namaste,
>
> Joe
> >>
> Harsha: One can argue that "professional" gurus perpetuate this notion to
> enhance their own importance. Fear is often used to control students by the
> pseudo gurus in virtually every cult or religion. Nevertheless, it is
> generally accepted that mantras should be received from someone in a
> particular lineage or tradition, who has a certain level of spiritual
> attainment. The linkage with a tradition is helpful and provides a view of
> Reality that enables one to interpret spiritual experiences. It helps to
> ground the spiritual aspirant until the grounding it self becomes meaningless.
>
>
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:32:24 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
cc: AfperryATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Chakral Sanskrit
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980505232902.18363E-100000ATnospamBhaskara>
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Hi,
As far as I know i think when valmiki started reciting the mantra as
MARA it naturally led him to recite correctly RAMA. Surely the
correction would have been possible due to his love towards divine.
also if one speells MARA backwards it leads to one reciting RAMA.
Love,
anurag
On Sat, 2 May 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 5/2/1998 7:10:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Afperry writes:
>
> << Although a mantra still has its inherent power regardless of how it is
> communicated to you, 'mantra diksha' by a Self-realised master causes a
> greater infusion of spiritual power with consequent benefit to the recipient.
> I also believe this is the means to connect the disciple to the master's
> lineage - a form of apostolic succession.
> >>
> Harsha: Yes. Well said. Every Shakti tradition has a few "Pivotal" or
> "Supreme" Shakti mantras. These are usually not written down but transmitted
> only orally. These mantras affect the flow of breath and prana and facilitate
> the rising of the Shakti to higher centers and the Sahasharara. They can give
> rise to the Divine Form of Shakti as the Supreme Goddess. However, keep in
> mind that Self-Realization is not dependent on following any particular
> tradition or practicing any technique no matter how special or sacred. For
> example, Sage Valmiki was a thug and a dacoit. When he wished to transform his
> life he became initiated and received the mantra RAMA. In his meditation, he
> forgot the mantra and kept repeating it incorrectly as MARA, MARA, etc. He
> still Realized and is the author of Ramayana, an Indian classic. Ultimately,
> the longing for the Self, or the Divine, or God, or call it what you want, is
> the main thing. It purifies the mind. It overcomes everything. No deficiencies
> or obstacles can prevent a genuine devotee from Realizing the Goal. Giving up
> all works to the Supreme Being and surrendering to the Divine Will, nothing
> else needs to be done.
>
>
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 13:20:45 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: "Imtgxxx" <ImtgxxxATnospamAOL.COM>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
Message-Id: <354f59c60546002ATnospammhub3.tc.umn.edu>
> From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
> To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
> Date: Tuesday, May 05, 1998 8:45 AM
>
> Brent wrote:
> << You're considering awakening Kundalini to lose weight?!! Don't you
want
> to, like, attain enlightenment and become one with the universe or
evolve
> spiritually?
>
> Oh pooey Brent.... if you have a tool to become more balanced in areas,
why
> not use it? If oneness and realization have become a part of you from a
> previous activation, then why would you use kundalini to reach that
again?
> (maybe just to visit?)
That's true.
> << For weight loss, you ever consider just not eating? I'm pretty sure
that
> people need far less food than most people think they need. >>
>
> Spoken like a true naturally skinny person.
I used to be 6'4" and 205 lb. Now I'm 6'4" and 180 or so, after I got sick
for a long time and was unable to eat much for a week or so. I was never
naturally skinny.
The reason I think that people don't need much food is that tons of
yoga-types fast and eat one meal a day or eat only fruit and nuts... They
eat a fraction of what the average American does. And somehow, they're fit
as a fiddle. I'm not knocking food. I love food! Sometimes, I love to
stuff myself. But I'm just saying that if it's weight loss you want,
greatly reducing the quantity of food that you eat is a way to go.
I feel compelled to point out that simply "not eating" isn't the healthiest
way to go... Your body needs food. You need protein and vitamins. If one
is considering eating less to lose weight, I strongly recommend making sure
the stuff that they do eat is healthy, like fruit, nuts, veggies, etc.
> * If at first you don't succeed, eat something then take a nap *
How appropriate! :P
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 15:41:59 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, AfperryATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kuthumi
Message-ID: <fc2017a5.354f6b88ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/5/1998 10:46:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
<< Alan says:
Ultimately, the work of H.P. Blavatsky stands on its own two feet; either
love
it or hate it, you cannot dismiss it or her because her influence on the
dawning New Age was too great. Personally, I find a great deal of wisdom
and
inspiration in her writings and she was a very beneficial influence on my
formative years (unlike a lot of other theosophical hocus-pocus).
<snip>
I think attitudes to much-maligned HPB may change eventually :-)
KK: I think your comments are very reasonable - but the question is not
whether HPB's writings have wisdom - they ought to - they appear to have
been cribbed from a lot of good sources. The question is whether they
really came from letters of secret masters that fell through a wooden
closet. 100 years ago very few people had access to the wisdom of the east.
Today we have www.amazon.com and
http://members.sockets.net/~sab/catagory.htm
Anyway, at the risk of preemptively getting in the last word - perhaps we
should take this off line.
>>
Harsha: Please keep it on line. Otherwise how will we know what really
happened?:--)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:19:42 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
Message-ID: <ce839d2b.354f745fATnospamaol.com>
Brent writes:
<< But I'm just saying that if it's weight loss you want,
greatly reducing the quantity of food that you eat is a way to go.
>>
LOL! Any overweight (and under or average weight) person knows this - we're
not stuuuupid! The dilemma is in being unable to do this..... looking
outside ourselves over and over and over for this or that food to *fix* us, to
reduce the food outside ourselves, to help us lose weight. It makes only
sense (and right now just a thought) to go inside ourselves (activating k??)
for the answers. Maybe by doing this, eating *the right foods* will just come
naturally, rather than having to fight yourself all the time. At least this
is what I found in other areas of my life.
Hell, I don't know. Anyone game for trying it? LOL It's my birthday today
and I feel like celebrating with everyone!
So cheers to all of you, my dear friends, in honour of my birthday.
xxxtg
* It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor
of vegetarianism while the wolf remains of a different opinion *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 16:22:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
Message-Id: <199805052122.QAA01085ATnospamdfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com>
Happiest of birthdays, tg!!
I lost weight with kundalini (sounds like the title of a bestseller to
me) because of how she has directed me to eat and because I need to
exercise more to ground the energy. She also gave me a sweet tooth I
never had before and a passion for chocolate. It is very simple to
taste God in chocolate, I've found. Or to paraphrase Salinger, me
eating chocolate is like God tasting God in God. I have a huge double
fudge chocolate chip cookie nightly and have not gained. Before k this
would have meant 10 pounds in a week. Go figure. Love, Holly
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:07:36 EDT
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: RE: Kuthumi
Message-ID: <1fc5ffd7.354f8daaATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/5/98 5:34:52 pm, you wrote:
>No, He is not a distraction, He is the goal.
If you identify him with God, yes, otherwise surely not...........?
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:07:33 EDT
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Chakral Sanskrit
Message-ID: <1dd5b4d8.354f8da6ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/5/98 7:45:11 pm, you wrote:
>As far as I know i think when valmiki started reciting the mantra as
> MARA it naturally led him to recite correctly RAMA. Surely the
> correction would have been possible due to his love towards divine.
> also if one speells MARA backwards it leads to one reciting RAMA.
As I recall the story, it was by chanting it quickly forwards that MARA
naturally became RAMA i.e. .......
MARAMARAMARAMARAMARAMA.......................
Blessings,
Alan
Date: Wed, 06 May 1998 00:29:11 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: RE: Kuthumi
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980506002911.00920cf0ATnospampop.tel.hr>
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At 18:07 1998.05.05 EDT, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 5/5/98 5:34:52 pm, you wrote:
>
>>No, He is not a distraction, He is the goal.
>
>If you identify him with God, yes, otherwise surely not...........?
Think about it...
What would the goal of the evolution look like?
Exactly. :)
Now, let me just say that, when I was trying to picture where I was
heading, I didn't try to remember my nirvikalpa samadhi experience. I took
a look at the pictures of either Babaji or Sai Baba. Enough said. :)
-----
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 18:55:54 -0600
From: Galvan Jiménez Marco Antonio <GALVANMATnospamtelmex.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: need to ground energy
Message-Id: <199805060003.TAA09233ATnospamb.mx.execpc.com>
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I wolud like to beg you to share your practice to ground the energy,
when it goes very wild, it is so overwheliming. Please HELP
Love.................
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Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 03:27:06 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: appetites & K
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Signalfire wrote:
>I was just reading that activation of the 3rd eye could cause *great*
> appetites (sexual and food) if these were not properly sublimated. Does
> anyone have more insight? How would one sublimate?
<snip>
Often craving for food is an indication that something else is wrong.
However, the easiest way to overcome it would be to take up a kind of sport
where a slim body is needed like running. Apart from that, endurance sports
are very effective in controlling appetite because the release of
endorphins. Runners can experience the "runner's high" which is more or less
comparable to a trance state. With sexuality one has to change the attitude.
An example of how this works is shown by the attitude towards pain in other
cultures. If one is discouraged to pay attention to pain as a child, one
will not avoid the experience but as no negative associations are made, it
causes much less suffering. It means that sexuality has to be associated
with the transformation of energy and all other associations should be
discontinued. As a rule, K. provides one with several (personal) phenomena
that can be used in a type of concentration with feedback on the
transformation of energy. Depending on one's effort the K. phenomenon will
change accordingly and by having success one will be convinced that it works
so the attitude will change permanently. This is much needed as everything
one acquires with/through K. will have to be used for the next stage of the
inner alchemy until one is fully enlightened. On the other hand, even great
yogis like Vivekananda seemed to have experienced trouble with the
transformation (source: article on alt.yoga) so one should compare one's
effort to winding an old-fashioned clockwork with a spring. Birth means the
spring is wound up completely and death means it is totally unwound. K.
offers the opportunity to rewind during life. If one fails one or more times
in the effort of rewinding, the spring just keeps unwinding slowly (there is
no such thing as a "fall back"). With sufficient rewinding, one realizes
life beyond bounds and if one continues rewinding, a situation will come
into existence that cannot be predicted from any former state.
Jan
Date: Wed, 6 May 1998 11:05:23 +0800
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Subject: Unidentified subject!
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:24:27 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: GALVANMATnospamtelmex.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: need to ground energy
Message-ID: <1dd6f1bd.354fd7ecATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/5/1998 5:03:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
GALVANMATnospamtelmex.net writes:
<< I wolud like to beg you to share your practice to ground the energy,
when it goes very wild, it is so overwheliming. Please HELP
Love................. >>
Harsha: These can help. Eat high fat foods at night and drink milk if it
suits you. This may cause drowsiness. It will help you to get a good night's
rest. A high level of physical activity (exercise) draws the energy away from
the nervous system into the muscles and will lessen the intensity. Drink a
lot of cold water in the day time and do not become dehydrated. The tantric
method I have given in my paper may be helpful in terms of grounding in such
situations. Lead a balanced and a gentle life and respect your needs. There
is nothing to achieve or prove to anybody. Go gradually. Avoid any rigid
disciplines involving yoga and meditation unless urged from within. Be
yourself. God bless you with peace.
The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
>Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga
>http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:45:01 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Shakti and Food (Back to chocolate!)
Message-ID: <bb50e9c5.354fdcbeATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/5/1998 2:25:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com writes:
<< She also gave me a sweet tooth I
never had before and a passion for chocolate. It is very simple to
taste God in chocolate, I've found. Or to paraphrase Salinger, me
eating chocolate is like God tasting God in God. I have a huge double
fudge chocolate chip cookie nightly and have not gained. >>
Harsha: Perhaps I should caution that this should not be tried at home without
serious guidance:--) But has anyone recently had home made mango ice cream?
Eating cold ice cream is good for grounding the energy if things get too hot.
By the way, the Chocolate comment reminded me of certain experiments I did
with eating natural foods (about 17-19 years ago -- on myself of course) and
tested their relationships to various Kundalini experiences and
manifestations. Chocolate, Mangoes, Coffee, and Rostaroma Tea (an herbal tea
which I have not seen lately in the market) and certain other foods were found
by me to have interesting and fascinating properties for stimulation of the
nervous system and were highly correlated to certain types of Shakti
experiences. Those having a difficult time with the Shakti, of course, should
avoid such stimulating foods altogether. God bless all.
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