1998/05/05 11:05
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #355
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 355
Today's Topics:
fwd: Kundalini for Newbies [ Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com> ]
RE: spontaneous k [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Still [ lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk> ]
RE: Goddess and Circulating the Ener [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Still [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
RE: Kuthumi [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Spontaneous k and planetary influenc [ Gwen Oana <theseerATnospamunforgettable.co ]
Re: To Activate or not to activate [ "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc ]
Re: RE: Kuthumi [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Still [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: To Activate or not to activate [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Still [ Germaine Hornsby <ghornsbyATnospamtallship ]
Re: RE: Kuthumi [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Tantra and Sex- Kundalini for Ne [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: Kuthumi [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Still [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: Kuthumi [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
RE: RE: Kuthumi [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Chakral Sanskrit [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Chakral Sanskrit [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 20:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com
Subject: fwd: Kundalini for Newbies
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Hello all - I just send this explanation of kundalini to
a friend who asked about it. I hope some of you may find
some value in it. infinite blessings -rik
-----
> I was just wondering if you could explain to me what kundalini is?
No problem - glad to! Kundalini is one of many yoga frameworks.
It refers to a 'serpent energy' that is said to lie dormant at the
base of the spine until awakening, and it's Sanskrit for 'coiled like
a snake'. Many people are said to become aware of this energy at some
point when the 'kundalini awakens', either spontaneously in times of
intense focus on personal issues or as granted by a guru who essentially
can help one to be sensitive to energy movement. Practitioners
may become aware of this energy in many ways. Some experience it
as 'chi', as in the martial arts. Some feel its flow as if breaths
of air were moving throughout. Some first notice 'sensations' of
an inexplicable nature - tingling, chills, rippling, electricity,
mild spasming (like needing to stretch or yawn often). I've experienced
most of the above, as well as a sensation of spatial warping (like
'tripping') in times of intense concentration. Most if not all of these
things are common to everyone - it's just a question of awareness
of things that happen to all people. Everyone (I think) has
experienced occasional spine tingling to rapturous music for instance.
There are also the common experiences of the way being in love sort of
warps your world and sex gives you a wide variety of physical and mental
sensations. Kundalini is also called the 'sex energy', and a broader
school called 'tantra', instead of practicing abstinence, uses sex
as meditation to awaken the sex energy and make one aware of how it
manifests in daily life. Essentially the experience of awakening
may be described as going thru a time of increased focus which
tunes one into normal processes in daily life that one might usually
only become aware of during sex or love.
Since you mention a knowledge of 'inner energy' you may be yourself
'kundalini awakened'. In the context of humanity, this is neither
a good or bad thing - it simply means that you are being provided
a means to greater self-awareness in the same way that non-kundalini
people might find themselves thru thought-meditation as in Zen,
emotional journeys as practiced by Native American shamen, or
sports or business or art for that matter. I might ask how it is
that you are aware of 'inner energy'? I might venture to guess,
since you mentioned you like to dance, that you may be aware
of 'something' that guides your movement. Also as a psychologist,
you may or may not be aware of varying sensations that accompany
emotional transformation during a thought experiment. Focusing
on the sensations and learning to work with them is essentially
what kundalini yoga is all about. There is also a body of knowledge
about 'chakras' - physical sorts of centers from where different types
of energy or processes are said to arise. If this interests you I can
explain these also.
As for myself I've been aware of 'energy' to some degree for much
of my life, and I used it to great advantage in sports growing up.
I had a major awakening period two years ago when I experienced a
tremendous urge to greatly simplify my life so that I could 'think'
full time, as I was on a constant intellectual high and solving
many conceptual problems and trying to integrate many fields into
a basic view of complex systems. :) I meanwhile discovered many
other sides of life that I'd ignored, people I'd never have considered
knowing before, and grew an increasing appreciation for many
lifestyles and personalities. I began through my intensive thinking
'meditations' to get a better handle on my own energy, feeling
that I could manipulate it much better than before. I discovered
kundalini yoga on the Web last August and read some books on it,
doing some of the meditations and finding a natural proclivity to
this approach. Nowadays tho, I practice non-attachment from the
sensations, i.e. I don't take it as seriously one way or another,
since there are infinite ways to know oneself better, and I've been
exploring those as they come to my attention.
You ask if it's a way to 'enlightenment' - it can be if you choose
to use it that way. It depends very much on what you mean by
enlightenment. The common definition is 'self-awareness' and
whatever that means to you, kundalini is one of an infinity of
ways to get there. Essentially the way to self-awareness is
simply to be aware of the Self :) And to that end, anything
about you or anything that draws your increasing attention can be
used to gain that awareness, if you so choose to pursue it.
Eventually you may reach a point (if you have not already)
when there is no longer a need to pursue, when you just do what
you do regardless of awareness, a natural state of 'just Being'.
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Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 23:58:44 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com)
Subject: RE: spontaneous k
Message-ID: <8d12e824.354e8e75ATnospamaol.com>
KK: I'm wondering if the link between grief-related awakenings and
spontaneous kundalini is not increased concentration but just the stress
depleting the ego-directed energy of the mind. Didn't you mention somewhere
about your awakening being intensified by playing chess blindfolded, a
practice strongly discouraged by all Russian teams because of the mental
stress, I believe that my awakening was accelerated by means of Physics for
science majors and an unusually cold Iowa winter. One model is that
kundalini is actually always trying to awaken but is held in place by a
strong unconscious, and habituated, effort. In times of great stress we
lose the energy to hold the kundalini in place and it just breaks through.
Harsha: This is a complex subject as some people are much more prone to
Kundalini awakening than others. Generally though, I would tend to agree. Many
things are always bubbling in the unconscious. The ongoing chaos remains below
the surface of the conscious mind. If the usual censors weaken abnormally
(which can be due to a number of factors) the Kundalini erupts upwards.
Depending on the individual's preparation and practice and the state of
awareness, an "unexpected" awakening can lead to great mental and psychic
suffering. In my case it was a combination of factors including the fact that
in my freshman year I would often stay up all night discussing philosophy and
playing chess and then catch a few hours of sleep the next afternoon. The fact
that I had been obsessed with the "meaning of life" of since early childhood
was probably the major contributor.
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 04:56:06 -0700
From: lobster <lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Still
Message-ID: <354DACD6.78A65398ATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk>
He is the real Sadhu, who can reveal
the form of the Formless to the vision of these eyes:
Who teaches the simple way of attaining Him,
that is other than rites or ceremonies:
Who does not make you close the doors,
and hold the breath
and renounce the world:
Who makes you perceive the Supreme Spirit
wherever the mind attaches itself:
Who teaches you to be still
in the midst of all activities.
-- Kabir
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:13:38 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Hofe1'" <Hofe1ATnospamaol.com>,
"Elizabeth.LouisATnospamfmr.com"
<Elizabeth.LouisATnospamfmr.com>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Goddess and Circulating the Energy
Message-ID: <01BD77A9.E4326C10.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
As for myself I practice Taoist Yoga.
Do tell!
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:40:06 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Still
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Hi Lobster,
Wonderful.A cobbler with his simplicity, yet cutting through the drama of
words to reach the core.
Reminded me
Who is a Guru?
He just fluttered into the sky, attracting those who had forgotten their
wings: provoking, challenging those who had forgotten their sky, their
freedom. Then he disappears into the faraway sky, into the blueness,
leaving no footprints to follow but leaving behind a tremendous urge in
others to go to those dimensions where you are no more.
Cheers
Sandeep
Date: Mon, 4 May 1998 22:43:45 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Antoine'" <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>,
"Mailing list (Kundalini)"
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
Subject: RE: Kuthumi
Message-ID: <01BD77AE.1935C110.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
You are suggesting that Babaji is essentially the same :as the one known to
theosophy and the New Age as the Master Kuthumi (KH). It :certainly fits
the pattern but may I enquire as to your sources?
I would be interested also with any known links between Bodhidarma and
Milarepa and Babaji.
How about Jimmy Hoffa? Seriously guys, do you believe that Kuthumi exists?
Swami Agehananda Bharati did a fairly good analysis, I'm told, showing that
the ``Tibetan sources'' that Blavatski used in her writings were garnered
from sources available at her time. K. Johnson has done a more general
survey to the same end.
, Actually, Swami Agehananda wasn't too high on the story of Babaji either
- so perhaps there is a connection. :)
Milaraspa's final teaching to his principal disciple Gampopa was to turn
around, pull up his light cotton robe and show his heavily callused butt -
indicating a lifetime of sitting in meditation. Whenever Milaraspa was
asked who he was in a previous lifetime he always replied that such talked
was silly and only showed a lack of faith in tantra's ability to enable the
serious student to gain enlightenment in one life.
Date: Mon, 04 May 1998 23:02:37 -0700
From: Gwen Oana <theseerATnospamunforgettable.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: "Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Spontaneous k and planetary influences
Message-ID: <354EAB7D.789CA6A5ATnospamunforgettable.com>
In Astrology, Pluto, the 8th house and the sign Scorpio, are associated
with primal forces beyond the egos control. When I first experienced my
awakening to kundalini energies, I was having a Pluto opposing the Moon
in my 8th house. During this period I was being shown how puny the ego
really is...it was my ego that was afraid of it's own annihalation.
Pluto and the 8th house are also known as the planet and house of death
and rebirth. Pluto destroys the old to rebuild at a higher level. I
find it interesting that just in the last two weeks, Saturn, and Mars
have just entered my 8th house renewing my interest in kundalini and
also increasing the "power surges." It appears to me as though people
with strong Pluto, and an active 8th house seem to be more apt to
experience the kundalini awakening than those lacking these influences.
I would be interested in looking at the charts of those of you on this
list, if any of you are interested in this perspective please e-mail me
your birth data...month, day, year, time and place of birth. Thanks,
Gwen
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 01:50:43 -0500
From: "Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
To: <amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us>
Cc: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
Message-Id: <354ebd9711ca002ATnospammhub3.tc.umn.edu>
> From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
> To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
> Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
> Date: Monday, May 04, 1998 2:09 PM
>
> tgxxx wrote:
>
> >I didn't luck out with my k where I was brought any uncanny urges to
> >become a >vegetarian and all,
>
> [...]
>
> I have been tempted to reactivate the K in order to lose weight, but I
> don't think I'm that desperate yet. Still lookin' for a local yoga
class....
You're considering awakening Kundalini to lose weight?!! Don't you want
to, like, attain enlightenment and become one with the universe or evolve
spiritually? I'm not judging you at all. Weight loss is the most original
reason for trying to activate Kundalini I've heard of, tho. :P
For weight loss, you ever consider just not eating? I'm pretty sure that
people need far less food than most people think they need.
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 06:02:54 EDT
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: RE: Kuthumi
Message-ID: <71f02d13.354ee3d0ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Kurt,
In a message dated 5/5/98 6:33:52 am, you wrote:
>Seriously guys, do you believe that Kuthumi exists?
>Swami Agehananda Bharati did a fairly good analysis, I'm told, showing that
>the ``Tibetan sources'' that Blavatski used in her writings were garnered
>from sources available at her time. K. Johnson has done a more general
>survey to the same end.
This is an age-old controversy which I doubt will ever be satisfactorily
answered. I don't know Bharati's work but K. Paul Johnson in "The Masters
Revealed" puts forward some good hypotheses that the Masters were just a
fiction: however, Johnson himself openly admits it is no more than hypothesis
and he has been unable to answer many of the theosophical puzzles.
Personally, I believe Kuthumi exists, but not in the fashion we have been led
to believe, hence my interest in the suggestion that he may be identical with
Babaji. It has long been my belief that the powerful impulses created by
Lahiri Mahasaya/Yogananda, Ramakrishna/Vivekananda, Shirdi Sai Baba and
Theosophy, all at about the same time in the late 19th Century and all four
aimed at linking up Eastern and Western religion and thought, are part of one
divinely-inspired process which has changed the world fundamentally and
continues to do so.
Ultimately, the work of H.P. Blavatsky stands on its own two feet; either love
it or hate it, you cannot dismiss it or her because her influence on the
dawning New Age was too great. Personally, I find a great deal of wisdom and
inspiration in her writings and she was a very beneficial influence on my
formative years (unlike a lot of other theosophical hocus-pocus).
Incidentally, in the next year or so, there will be published a scholarly work
which aims to show the link up between Blavatsky's work and the Vedas, and to
show how her teaching is totally in line with the esoteric scriptures of old.
I think attitudes to much-maligned HPB may change eventually :-)
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:18:40 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Still
Message-ID: <509ab514.354f11b1ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/5/1998, 12:16:31 AM, lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk writes:
<<From: lobATnospamlobster.newnet.co.uk (lobster)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com (Kundalini Mailing List)
He is the real Sadhu, who can reveal
the form of the Formless to the vision of these eyes:
Who teaches the simple way of attaining Him,
that is other than rites or ceremonies:
Who does not make you close the doors,
and hold the breath
and renounce the world:
Who makes you perceive the Supreme Spirit
wherever the mind attaches itself:
Who teaches you to be still
in the midst of all activities.
-- Kabir
>>
Harsha: Beautiful. I have been a lover of Kabir's poetry since childhood. One
of the greatest poet saints of India, along with Tulsidas, Mirabai and
Soordas. Kabir has always remained my favorite. He was born a Hindu and
abandoned and then raised as a Moslem. Shunning all differences in caste and
race, completely irreverent and making fun of the pundits, steady in the Self,
Kabir exhibits that overwhelming devotion, depth of insight and universal
vision which makes him stand out.
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:45:22 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: To Activate or not to activate
Message-ID: <f823435d.354f17f3ATnospamaol.com>
Brent wrote:
<< You're considering awakening Kundalini to lose weight?!! Don't you want
to, like, attain enlightenment and become one with the universe or evolve
spiritually?
Oh pooey Brent.... if you have a tool to become more balanced in areas, why
not use it? If oneness and realization have become a part of you from a
previous activation, then why would you use kundalini to reach that again?
(maybe just to visit?)
<<I'm not judging you at all. Weight loss is the most original
reason for trying to activate Kundalini I've heard of, tho. :P
Originality is amkeon's speciality. This is a whole new field for kundalini!
Imagine the sales of the book when it comes out -- not only do we lose weight,
but become enlightened along the way....
<< For weight loss, you ever consider just not eating? I'm pretty sure that
people need far less food than most people think they need. >>
Spoken like a true naturally skinny person.
xxxtg
* If at first you don't succeed, eat something then take a nap *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 10:54:03 -0300
From: Germaine Hornsby <ghornsbyATnospamtallships.istar.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Still
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At 10:40 AM 5/5/98 +0530, Sandeep Chatterjee wrote:
>Who is a Guru?
>
>He just fluttered into the sky, attracting those who had forgotten their
>wings: provoking, challenging those who had forgotten their sky, their
>freedom. Then he disappears into the faraway sky, into the blueness,
>leaving no footprints to follow but leaving behind a tremendous urge in
>others to go to those dimensions where you are no more.
Dear Sandeep,
(So happy to have 'found' you again.)
Thank you for these words.
"..attracting those who had forgotten their wings."
"..challenging those who had forgotten their sky."
with love,
Germaine -learning how to fly :)
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 09:53:55 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, acarreATnospamconcentric.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com,
AfperryATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: RE: Kuthumi
Message-ID: <71f01ec5.354f19f4ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/5/1998, 1:33:31 AM, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu writes:
<<I would be interested also with any known links between Bodhidarma and
Milarepa and Babaji.
>>
Harsha: Milarepa and Bodhidharma are historical figures and their lives are
well documented. While the Autobiography of a Yogi and other writings of
Yogananda are inspirational, questions have been raised in the past about
"real existence" of Baba Ji. In India, the term Baba Ji is used fairly
commonly not just for Yogis but elders as well. This does not deny the fact
that there are highly advanced Yogis and Siddhas who might have the type of
abilities attributed to Baba Ji. There may be even a particular Baba Ji who
initiated Lahiri Mahasya. Many of these things are a matter of faith. Self-
Realization, however, does not depend on holding to particular beliefs about
people and events. Indeed, the true letting go means effortlessly letting go
of all traditions, all Baba Ji's, all Gurus and simply residing in One's Own
Nature. Forgive me if that offends anyone. God Bless you all with all things
good and beautiful and may your life be full of joy.
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:55:40 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Tantra and Sex- Kundalini for Newbies
Message-ID: <3c0a57ae.354f286dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 5/4/1998, 11:57:07 PM, rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com writes:
<<Kundalini is also called the 'sex energy', and a broader
school called 'tantra', instead of practicing abstinence, uses sex
as meditation to awaken the sex energy and make one aware of how it
manifests in daily life. Essentially the experience of awakening
may be described as going thru a time of increased focus which
tunes one into normal processes in daily life that one might usually
only become aware of during sex or love.
>>
Harsha: Hello Rik. I enjoyed reading your note to your friend. Just one point.
Tantra consists of different schools with differing practices. They all have
in common the goal of awakening the Shakti and raising it to higher centers.
Many schools of Tantra (Samaya) are purely yogic and do not make use of any
sexual practices at all. The aim is to join the Shakti and Siva at the Crown
center.
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:39:07 EDT
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Kuthumi
Message-ID: <40731a4.354f329dATnospamaol.com>
Dear Harsha,
The Babaji that we are all referring to is Kriya Babaji Nataraj, born 203AD
and still going strong (hence his nickname, the "Deathless Avatar" !). He has
a known history, and there is a biography of him. He has current, living
disciples some of who I have been privileged to meet and is known to manifest
to others at appropriate times, but not to me regrettably :-(.
I don't think it's his existence that is seriously in dispute, only
who/what/where he actually is e.g. Kuthumi, Krishna, Sai Baba etc. There is
quite a mythology about him.
But, you're right, of course. All just a big distraction
ultimately....................:-)
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 11:39:10 EDT
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Still
Message-ID: <c13a080c.354f32a0ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Harsha,
In a message dated 5/5/98 2:19:47 pm, you wrote:
>He was born a Hindu and
>abandoned and then raised as a Moslem. Shunning all differences in caste and
>race, completely irreverent and making fun of the pundits, steady in the
Self,
>Kabir exhibits that overwhelming devotion, depth of insight and universal
>vision which makes him stand out.
Alan: And did you know that both Shirdi Sai Baba and Lahiri Mahasaya publicly
claimed to have been Kabir in a previous life. All three have remarkably
similar track records..................
Sorry, Harsha, just another distraction :-)
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Tue, 05 May 1998 18:29:57 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Kuthumi
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980505182957.00a1f900ATnospampop.tel.hr>
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At 11:39 1998.05.05 EDT, you wrote:
>Dear Harsha,
>
>The Babaji that we are all referring to is Kriya Babaji Nataraj, born 203AD
>and still going strong (hence his nickname, the "Deathless Avatar" !). He has
>a known history, and there is a biography of him. He has current, living
>disciples some of who I have been privileged to meet and is known to manifest
>to others at appropriate times, but not to me regrettably :-(.
>
>I don't think it's his existence that is seriously in dispute, only
>who/what/where he actually is e.g. Kuthumi, Krishna, Sai Baba etc. There is
>quite a mythology about him.
>
>But, you're right, of course. All just a big distraction
>ultimately....................:-)
No, He is not a distraction, He is the goal.
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Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 10:43:58 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Afperry'" <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
Cc: "Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Kuthumi
Message-ID: <01BD7812.B5A97CD0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Alan says:
Ultimately, the work of H.P. Blavatsky stands on its own two feet; either
love
it or hate it, you cannot dismiss it or her because her influence on the
dawning New Age was too great. Personally, I find a great deal of wisdom
and
inspiration in her writings and she was a very beneficial influence on my
formative years (unlike a lot of other theosophical hocus-pocus).
<snip>
I think attitudes to much-maligned HPB may change eventually :-)
KK: I think your comments are very reasonable - but the question is not
whether HPB's writings have wisdom - they ought to - they appear to have
been cribbed from a lot of good sources. The question is whether they
really came from letters of secret masters that fell through a wooden
closet. 100 years ago very few people had access to the wisdom of the east.
Today we have www.amazon.com and
http://members.sockets.net/~sab/catagory.htm
Anyway, at the risk of preemptively getting in the last word - perhaps we
should take this off line.
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:13:53 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Chakral Sanskrit
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Hi ,
Sometimes the combinations can be dangerous. So I think one should
be careful with experimenting with mantras.
Love,
anurag
> IMO the best thing is to try some of these traditional 'recipies' and
> notice what variations of the sounds do in ones own body, and then
> recombine them as needed. Or let K do it.... :-) Just sort of start
> chanting something in the right ballpark, and K will take it over and make
> it just what your body needs at that moment.
>
Date: Tue, 5 May 1998 23:26:45 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
cc: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Chakral Sanskrit
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Hi Alan,
I too think that this should be the case.
Love,
anurag
On Sat, 2 May 1998, Afperry wrote:
> Dear Harsha,
>
> In a message dated 1/5/98 5:17:51 pm, you wrote:
>
> Harsha: One can argue that "professional" gurus perpetuate this notion to
> enhance their own importance. Fear is often used to control students by the
> pseudo gurus in virtually every cult or religion. Nevertheless, it is
> generally accepted that mantras should be received from someone in a
> particular lineage or tradition, who has a certain level of spiritual
> attainment. The linkage with a tradition is helpful and provides a view of
> Reality that enables one to interpret spiritual experiences. It helps to
> ground the spiritual aspirant until the grounding it self becomes meaningless.
>
> Alan: I think there is another important aspect to consider here. When a
> 'guru' of the right spiritual attainment initiates a disciple with a mantra,
> he/she is literally sowing a seed of power in that disciple's consciousness by
> transferring latent shakti. The disciple's subsequent sadhana causes that seed
> to grow until eventually the mantra comes to fruition and the disciple in turn
> becomes a guru who can then pass it on to his own disciple. I think the term
> bija/seed mantra is a lot more literal than people realise!
>
> Although a mantra still has its inherent power regardless of how it is
> communicated to you, 'mantra diksha' by a Self-realised master causes a
> greater infusion of spiritual power with consequent benefit to the recipient.
> I also believe this is the means to connect the disciple to the master's
> lineage - a form of apostolic succession.
>
> With blessings,
> Alan
>
>
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