1998/05/03 17:35
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #351
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 351
Today's Topics:
re: Ego and K [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Fwd: Ego and K [ WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com> ]
K symptom??? [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
DNA and Kundalini [ Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
test [ freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com> ]
Re: Ego and K [ Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no> ]
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 22:15:58 +0100
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: Ego and K
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At 09:40 03/05/98 -0500, Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
>To echo Jan, tg, and especially Gloria Lee: when I've tried to get rid
>of my ego willfully, all I end up is bruised and crabby. I believe the
>transformation of the ego is God's job, not ours.
Hurrah! Someone making some sense about this one! :)
R.
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:08:20 EDT
From: WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>
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Subject: Fwd: Ego and K
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<< In a message dated 98-05-03 15:28:57 EDT, you write:
<< Dear Kristin,
Tho I do mean to be helpful, and I somewhat stand by my last advice,
in a general way.. it also occurs to me that I may have failed to listen
to you.. or at least to ask how it is that you see your ego problem?? It
would help to have a bit more information from you, because if you see
your ego as somehow the source of causing this depression..is it
tormenting you?? perhaps calling you a failure in some way?? Sometimes
Kundalini does bring up all sorts of feelings, like a dark night of the
soul type experience. Would you be able to describe a bit more what you
are experiencing?? And why you think it is an ego problem?? It would
help us on the list to understand better how to advise you, too.
With much love and concern,
Glo Lee >>
Dear Glo
I am not sure if it is my ego, but I feel like maybe my ego will not let me
release my pain, if that makes any sense. At some points it seems like my
egois tormenting me, and causing pain, but at other times I do not notice it,
I just feel low, no energy. Everytime I think something, my ego tells me its
wrong, or no. I feel like the world is no longer bright, I only see and feel
darkness. It feels like my body has been torn into small pieces, that can not
be be put back together. I have not been sleeping at all, and eating very
little. I have uncontrollerable crying. Everything seems hopeless no matter
how hard I try, or how many baby steps I take.
Kristin
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Subject: Re: Ego and K
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 19:07:18 EDT
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In a message dated 98-05-03 15:28:57 EDT, you write:
<< Dear Kristin,
Tho I do mean to be helpful, and I somewhat stand by my last advice,
in a general way.. it also occurs to me that I may have failed to listen
to you.. or at least to ask how it is that you see your ego problem?? It
would help to have a bit more information from you, because if you see
your ego as somehow the source of causing this depression..is it
tormenting you?? perhaps calling you a failure in some way?? Sometimes
Kundalini does bring up all sorts of feelings, like a dark night of the
soul type experience. Would you be able to describe a bit more what you
are experiencing?? And why you think it is an ego problem?? It would
help us on the list to understand better how to advise you, too.
With much love and concern,
Glo Lee >>
Dear Glo
I am not sure if it is my ego, but I feel like maybe my ego will not let me
release my pain, if that makes any sense. At some points it seems like my
egois tormenting me, and causing pain, but at other times I do not notice it,
I just feel low, no energy. Everytime I think something, my ego tells me its
wrong, or no. I feel like the world is no longer bright, I only see and feel
darkness. It feels like my body has been torn into small pieces, that can not
be be put back together. I have not been sleeping at all, and eating very
little. I have uncontrollerable crying. Everything seems hopeless no matter
how hard I try, or how many baby steps I take.
Kristin
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 16:15:19 -0700
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: K symptom???
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The last few days I've been having slight headaches and my eyes have
been incredibly light sensitive. I have trouble going outside because of
it being to bright. I was wondering whether this was a medical
condition or a k-symptom? Many things can cause light-sensitivity but
I've eliminated many of the dietal reasons that might occur. If this is
a k-symptom is there something I can do other than wearing dark glasses?
Dan M.
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 17:23:09 -0600
From: Nancy <NancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: DNA and Kundalini
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I'm working on a researching a possible connection with the ancient
concept of kundalini and DNA. Has anyone ever encountered reading
anything about this? I have never been interested in this until now so
if anything passed by me, I have missed it.
Any help or leads are appreciated!
Thanks,
Nancy
Date: Sun, 03 May 1998 16:36:38 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamnwlink.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: test
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sorry list,
this is a test,
new server.
freda
Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 16:53:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego and K
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---WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com> wrote:
> I am not sure if it is my ego, but I feel like maybe my ego will
not let me
> release my pain, if that makes any sense. At some points it seems
like my
> egois tormenting me, and causing pain, but at other times I do not
notice it,
> I just feel low, no energy. Everytime I think something, my ego
tells me its
> wrong, or no. I feel like the world is no longer bright, I only see
and feel
> darkness. It feels like my body has been torn into small pieces,
that can not
> be be put back together. I have not been sleeping at all, and eating
very
> little. I have uncontrollerable crying. Everything seems hopeless
no matter
> how hard I try, or how many baby steps I take.
> Kristin
Dear Kristin -
Thank you for posting. I can relate to your suffering, and you may
wish if you like to trust me that it is a beautiful phase you are
going through. I also trust that the part you've identified as "ego"
is pointing you in an interesting direction. You may wish to trust
that part of you also to guide you. During this phase, when it forbids
your release of pain and suffering, submit to its authority. When it
says "no" or tells you you are wrong, you may wish to accept that it
is doing what's right for you. Announce to this part, "I lovingly
accept
your authority to guide me, and I will do whatever you wish." You may
do this now if you like.
Notice its response. It may again refuse you, and release you from
submission. If it agrees with your will, then you will have a point of
agreement to work from, and will have again identified the part of you
that "wills" and you may build on that.
Please keep us updated Kristin, and do let us know if we can be of
further assistance. Sincerely -rik
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Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 14:21:28 -1000 (HST)
From: Magne Aga <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
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Received these E-mail from Harsha:
> Hello. Thanks for your beautiful note. Perhaps you meant to share it with the
> whole list but it only came to me. Why don't you subscribe to the Kundalini
> list so people can benefit from your sharing. God bless you with peace and
> happiness.
It seems to me that in the last few days, I´ve been busy of answering E-mails directed to me, while forgetting totally that the postings didn´t arrive at the whole Kundalini list, although it could be of general interest. Anyway, I decided to repost parts of my E-mail correspondence the last few days.
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Kriya Yoga is concerned with the balance of two poles in ourselves. We have two poles, each with it's own energy form. Kriya Kundalini Yoga is to perform a circulation, instead of just an upwards movement. Kriya Yoga is to attain the balance between these upwards and downwards energies.
The chinese sign for Yin and Yang, is in fact the symbol of Kriya Yoga, as it shows two drops of water, each moving in an opposite direction. And in each drop in these symbol, you can even see to pearl of Compassion, going upwards and downwards. I repeat what I mailed earlier to others: I think Hawaii is an excellent place for performing Kriya Yoga, due to the Sea.
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When the ancient Indian Yogis entered China from India, bringing with them the exercises of Kundalini Yoga, many chinese people observed that those practising Kundalini Yoga could become imbalanced. It is very strong forces we are working with. During my first initiation (birth) in the 80's, Kundalini arose on the FRONT side of the body. I went through a real death experience, when Kundalini travelled to the top, making me clairvoyant. I have added a description of these experience below. (Maybe it may sound cryptic or veird. It was my personal reflections which I gave to an esoteric group, and was written 16 years ago.)
Anyway. When the chinese saw people becoming imbalanced, a need for a solution arose. And the solution was introduced by Lao-Tse in his "immortality body meditation". Yogananda's Kriya Yoga was a modified version of these meditation technique.
Kriya Yoga was introduced to the teachers teacher of Yogananda by a "mythical" person, having been seen near Himalaya for centuries. He is called Babaji. I'm not talking on behalf on SRF, nor taoists, when claiming, for those who it may concern, that Babaji and Lao-Tse was the same person in their High Self state. Babaji was the light body, not a physical expression, of he known to many as "Kut Humi".
So, the similarities between these two techniques are no coincidence. Also, Babajis Kriya Yoga was an imitation of the Chinese imitation. There exists an even older version of Kriya Yoga, long forgotten by most teachers. It has to do, among other things, with materialisation.
> What IS kria yoga?
Kriya Yoga is an extremly easy technique to perform. And it is one of the strongest therapies known. It it composed by 24 different meditation techniques. Some of these have very strong physical effects. Others are so sublim that their effects will not be discovered before after some time. Compare them to the gears in a car: When you have reached a certain revolution in your motor, choose the next gear !
According to Yogananda, one Kundalini circulation through the chakras in 1/2 minute corresponds to 1 year of normal spiritual evolution, provided you are healthy and do not think or feel any negative during these year.
Consider the 1/2 minute as a general rule, not a universal law. I have had experiences of kundalini going straigth upwards and downwards in an enormous speed (like a ligthening), and also an experience of kundalini went from the root to the top IN A SINGLE NOW, stayed there for about 5 minutes (extreme electricity through my whole body), and WENT DOWNWARDS IN A SINGLE NOW (No intermediate blockages).
It is very easy to perform. You can learn it through SRF or others, but then you are bound by an oath of secrecy. I am not bound by any such oath. But I feel at these moment, that I would not say so very much about how it is practised yet. Time will tell.
Let me say, however, that Kriya Yoga is not a rise of Kundalini upwards, and: Finito ! We are talking about a circulation. Energy goes upwards and then downwards, and it sirculates through other paths (nadis) than in traditional Kundalini Yoga.
The critical point in Kriya Yoga, the reason for secrecy, is that the learning process must be as good as possible. If I teach Kriya Yoga to you, you would associate it with me. If SRF teach it to you, you would associate it with them. Kriya Yoga is so strong that, you never will forget it. And no situation during learning can be good enough. It is something you bring with you for the rest of your life, so the beginning has to be in harmony, positive. Kriya yoga is something which should be YOURS (with letter Y), something you feel comfortable with, without associating it to much with other persons or anything in these universe of relativity.
Besides, Kriya Yoga is, first and foremost, an experience. Explanations can ruin it. Your "memory" should not depend of any paper. Your whole organism, your thoughts and emotions will remember.
> What is the effect?
One effect is that the need of sleep is reduced largly. When I used it very heavily (1000 circulations), I didn't sleep at all except a few minutes on many days. It is also possible to make marvelous healings on yourself and others. A more advanced version of Kriya Yoga, called "Prana Vidya", is a healing technique.
It becomes more easier to see what you really want. It becomes easy to see through deppressions or anxiety, to get rid of negative feelings - To view the things in your world as freewill choices, not neccessities which binds you. You get rid of karma.
Here is something I wrote many years ago.
Just as the mystics in the ancient Egypt, Rome and Greek through any years purified their astral bodys, before "mirroring" it into the etheric
life-force body - which temporarily was removed from the physical body in a similar way as in the transition called death - such was it in the middle of the night, during my initiation (birth), that my breath and my hearth suddenly stopped.
The fire raised from the root chakra to the hearth, where it was resting in
a "chamber" in the etheric body, called "hridâyakasham" in the
Tantra-tradition. When kundalini met the hearth, a second fire appeared.
The second fire is called Jivâtman in the same tradition, and it's
meditative symbol (yantra) is an "unmoveable, dark blue flame from an
oil-lamp". The statement that the fire doesn't move, reflects the fact that
I Am I can neither be disturbed by any influences from the outer physical
world, nor from our lower personality.
The fire rised further to the 96-bladed chakra between the eyebrowns, the "third eye" which ancient scriptures calles "the lotus with two blades", these whirl that shows everything as in a mirror.
The chakra between the eyebrowns is the center of a cosmic mirror-game. Our Holy Guardian Angel is a phase-shifting reflection, a mirror of our character traits as we come from the physical world. In our lower personality, we think about ourselves in terms of past and future instead of the eternal Now, and these fragments, these reflections, congregates into a sort of meta-reality.
Three kinds of fire meets in the head. The first one, from the root, gives
a magical vision of glowing ember - a reflection from the physical atoms in our body. The second one gives a vision of electrical sparks from the
etheric double. The third fire emanates from our Holy Guardian Angel.
Under this scenario, the three forms of fire are testing our lower
personality to a degree unknown for unitiates. They offer power over other persons life. They offer an envoying reputation. They are telling you that you shall not forgive your "enemies". The One way suddenly gets divided. On the one hand, you are given the opportunity to continue your lower personality life on a tempting, "light" way. On the other hand, you can choose the I Am Self way to the other side, passing the dark Void.
In the middle of the Sun in the head, our socially made "Ego" then gets
whirvled into a dark centre, an irresistible, horrifying Void which in Her
insatiability consumes everything which comes within Her reach.
In my terminology, the dark Void is the Gate of Initiation.
In Christianity, the "chamber" (hridâyakasham) is symbolised by the "crib" and the Higher Self (Jivâtman) by Christ who is born in every human being.
In the Gospel of Matthew, there is even the following statement: "If your
eye becomes one, your whole body will be filled by Light".
When Moses, after having climbed to the top of the Mount Sinai, asked about God's name, he got the answer "ahijeh (21) asher (502) ahijeh (21)" - I Am that I Am. The summary of "ahijeh asher ahijeh" is 543 and - because Moses is 345, refers to the mirror.
When kundalini leaves one Chakra and enters the next, the energies in the former remaines dead. They are absorbed by kundalini and moved upwards. When kundalini moves from the 4-bladed (root) to the 6-bladed lotus (sacral), for example, the two are unified into one 10-bladed lotus. Likewise, when the fire meets the 10-bladed solar-plexus-lotus, the forces from the two lower chakrams are beeing added to the Chakra, turning solar plexus into a 20-bladed lotus, and so on.
The third eye is called "the two-bladed lotus", but according to my
observations, this is *almost* truth. There are two mainstreames of powers in these Chakra. Because the overwhelming amount of forces in each stream has the same colour, which is not the case in any of the lower Chakrams, the two force-streams may *seem* like two forces. There are so many forces in these two streams, that it's difficult to count them under the critical adventure which an arisement represents.
It was during my reflections over these fact that I wondered: "Is it
possible that the forces from the previous Chakrams are being multiplied, instead of just added to the sixth Chakra ?". Playing with these numerological reflections, a peculiar summary became the result: The numbers 144 and 144 000, which presents the sixth initiation, is the same as the number of the *elected* ones in the New Testament, those who have a *mark* on their forehead !
CHAKRA SANSKRITNAME NR OF "BLADES"
Root Mûladâra, "the fundamental root" 4
Sacral Svâdhisthana, "Your own place" 6
Solar Plexus Manipûra, "The home of the Jewel" 10
Hearth Anahâta, "The source of the sound" 12
Throat Vishûddhi, "The purified" 16
SUMMARY 48
Third Eye Ajnâ, "Control" 2 x 48 = 96
SUMMARY 48 + 96 = 144
Crown Sâhâshrara, "1000 blades" 144 x 1000 = 144 000
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> Vic said that the kria yoga he learned was not the same as was taught
> to/by
> Yogananda/SRF.
There are 9 variants of Kriya Yoga, as far as I know yet, refering to what
Yogananda called "Kriya Yoga and similar techniques". Yogananda modified Babaji's Kriya Yoga, in order to make it more appropriate for the Western people.
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I'm the first person to admit that there are reasons for secrecy, in
certain cases, because certain paths of initations are very dangerous. I
can mention one of them, an initiation which a friend of mine received from a person who managed to penetrate the Tibetan border. Based on an ancient Tibetan / Chinese ritual, a "secret doctrine", it is called
"Yar-Gi-Sang-Thal-Chen-Po" - The Great Straigthforward UPWARDS (VERTICAL) Way (Towards The Clear, Original Ligth seen after Death), the oral base of The Tibetan Book of Death, characterized as very dangerous, as it has only two possible outcomes: instant liberation or eternal damnation.
Sudden liberation, without any spesific methods, is however implied in the tantric concept of the "effort-less" and "natural" liberated sage. It is
the concept that perfect awakening is something connecting to our everyday life (an attitude also found in Zen), that the highest initiation is to realize our Buddha-nature, our Christ-Self without eliminating the "dirt"
at the first stage.
The direct awakening, the vertical way upwards, is a result of an abrubtly conversion in the depths of the counsciousness, so all dualism is thrown away. Our consciousness is compared to the mirror of imagination which consequently reflects all forms and images in front of it.
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And, as I wrote to loba kola:
Try to use elements from Nature as meditation objects. In fact, I believe
Hawaii is an excellent place for performing Kriya Yoga, because of the Sea
Do you have any images of the Sea inside you, a choosen place which you promise never to tell anyone about ? A seaside of beauty, and an inner feeling of harmony with nature ?
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> taoist energy
> channeling technique. The chi travels up the spine, across the top of
> head, down
> nose/tongue and front of torso to the tan tien and then back to the
> prostate.
> The macrocosmic circuit is practiced while standing and circulates the
> chi on a
> circuit through each of the limbs as well so it's a five loop circuit. I
It is similar to both the microcosmic and the macrocosmic circuits. There
are, however also possible to make the circulation ABOVE the head (larger than macrocosmic), which implies the answer to your question:
> >It's called "hridâya" (beauty) and has 8 "blades". The heart chamber
> >(hridâyâkasham) have been known by all cultures. In the Great
> > Egyptian Pyramid, it was symbolized by the "Queens chamber".
> >
> >
> >
> Isn't the queen's chamber at the point in the pyramid only one third from
> the bottom?
> Wouldn't this imply pending the symbol compares accurately that the
> heart, the middle of a human torso is only a third of some distance
> longer than the human body?
Under the pit of the Pyramid of Gizah, a long channel downwards beneath the gound, represents the regenerative system, the foundation, the indri chakra. And the kings chamber (crown chakra) beeing in the middle of the pyramid, and the ajna just beneath is a beautifull symbolism. You could ask as well: Why is the crown chakra in the MIDDLE and not at the top ? Because we have centers above our physical body, many in fact.
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The circulations are necessary to bring energy in motion. We all have a
tendency to "freeze", to be one-dimensional, to use only a fragment of our whole (holy) beeing. The circulation brings energy in motion by
transforming negative feelings and emotions into their positive
counterparts. Emotion = Energy in motion ! One of the reasons behind
illness, diseases, is our tendency to use only a limited part of ourself,
causing the energy patterns (prana) in ourself to be erronously distributed (too much energy here, too little energy there).
It has helped me to cure imbalances impossible to cure by school medicine. One example was a bleeding wound in my stomach. Let me also add, that without Kriya Yoga, I haven't survived an incident which I'm not going to talk about here, an attempt to literarily throw the plug out of me. If you use the proverb "know them by their fruits", consider these E-mail as a miracle !
And it has given me a higher quality of life, which is impossible to
quantizize. When performing 50 Kundalini circulations the day after a
learned it, I entered a state of cosmic consciousness, of bliss, in my
everyday life, which endured in 12 hours. I saw, felt, the inherent
divinity in everything around me, as a child discovering the world for the
very first time in his life.
Gradually, but certain, I have regained a balance which it seems I never
have had in these incarnation. Before I learned it, I was a living energy
bomb. I was able to practice distant healings, there was an increasing
amount of phenomenas like clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentence,
telechinese, bilocations etc. Kriya Yoga has helped me to marriage my
spiritual and physical life, in a splended balance.
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