1998/04/28 12:26
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #341
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 341
Today's Topics:
Wings. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Re: Chakras [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
...pay attention & question [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: Chakras [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: K-list posting Members pay atten [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: k list has babies [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: weeping [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
It's your choice [ chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Mau ]
Re: Mailing List [ Roberto Gonzales <rgvgATnospamyahoo.com> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ lydia grayson <noneATnospamaloha.net> ]
Re: Wings. [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: k list has babies [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: weeping [ UweJohann <UweJohannATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:33:30 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Wings.
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Hiya:
i have been trying to untangle a puzzle of perceptions lately, and
someone posted to me to ask about the "Flower of Joy" chakra I had
mentioned to my Dad, which led me on a train of thought.. which led to some
inspiration.
I would really like some opinions on this weird idea. So I edited my post
to that person for reposting here.. Comments?
"The Flower of Joy" first showed up, coming back from my hearing in
Seattle early Feb. I had so many people love bombing me at that time, I
cannot be sure what sparked the opening.. but I believe it was connected to
releasing a lot of old rejection issues thru massive love, appreciation and
acceptance from everyone, and perhaps Carol Hathor's energy work..
I noticed the scent first.. distinctive, kind of floral, but completely
elusive to define.. like a brand new scent never smelled before, but with a
haunting teasing familiar quality about at is if from a memory before this
birth. Intoxicating and irresistible.
The "flower" is located on the R. side of my chest, halfway vertically
between nipple and clavicle. Between the second and third rib? Kind of
under the third rib.. I feel a fainter version of it, not as open on the
other side. I saw it fuzzily as yellow and trumpet shaped like a lily, with
6 petals on the surface.. rover smelled it and saw it as yellow descending
to red and blue, where it connects to my spine nearer the heart chakra.
The image my K. gave me was like the Kabbalistic tree of life, but
different..
I did a session some weeks ago with a fella who was doing the water-hose
unkinking Shakti dance so intensely just from being in my presence that I
gave up on playing with him till I'd spent some time with more traditional
Shaktipat methods and cleared his channels a bit.. so he would hold still.
The "Thankyou my unconscious" mantra nearly gave him an orgasm every time
he said it.. he would say it and then go into shaking and hyperventilating
thrashing, collect his breath and say it again..
I just watched him thrash on the floor and reminded him keep repeating it
and to breathe.. later, when he was clearer, I had started playing with him
and he caught a whiff of the Flower and went instantly into pythonic
ecstasy.. I pulled back and he started begging to smell my chest.. a most
unusual request.. I allowed it, and he spent about 5-10 minutes with his
nose mashed into that spot Above my bosom, and deep breathing and
K-thrashing so intense that even tho he was completely chained down I had
to hang onto the rack to keep him from knocking me over in mindless
enthusiasm. It seemed like the intoxicating scent was also working on
rebalancing his energy.. I just hung on, amused, and focused on radiating
joy... trusting that tho the intensity was evident, Goddess would not give
him anything he could not handle.. and his thrashing calmed down after a
while.
I hope I have related that in a manner respectful of the sensitivities of
some of our delicate members.. it was unusual even for me who is accustomed
to the unusual.. I mention the bondage because it has an inverse effect of
making clients feel more free to react in the moment without fearing they
will harm themselves and me.
<<< Round it goes.. the Shaker church had a positive effect on preserving
the Native culture.. the shakers were famous for sturdy graceful unadorned
furniture.. such as lightweight wooden chairs that could be hung on the
wall so none of the "Shakers" thrashing in the throes of Shakti during a
religious celebration would fall over furniture and hurt themselves.
Dealing with intense Kriyas requires some safety precautions.>>>
After writing the chakra post, about double funnel vortexes, I realized
the flower chakras are at the front of me opposite the point at my back
where I have felt myself lately to have sprouted wings.. in response to
making a decision to trust myself more.. a gift from Goddess.
I was enraptured by the idea of having wings as a child, and in my
imagination played with how they would feel.. but the wings I have been
feeling lately are distinctly different than those.. they are smaller,
stronger, placed slightly differently on my back, and the biggest
difference is how they get my attention the way a physical limb would, like
how an itchy nose or a foot falling asleep calls my attention to it.. so I
consider that I might be going loopy but at least I am having fun at it,
and continue exploring the experience.
So I was still puzzling.. why wings..? Seemed kind of corny, even if
my name is Angelique.. They feel good tho..:) And what are the flowers..??
The caduceus has been on my mind today, I have been having visions of
it animated 3-d for the website.. then I got it.. The wings of Hermes on
the Caduceus are as real as the serpents.. Amazing. Who'd a thunk it? I
have rarely heard any references to the wings as an aspect of awakening.
So is there some deal I have forgotten in the veil, about how after the
serpents have made it all the way up the elevator and the lights come on in
the penthouse, next step is growing wings?
I would appreciate any insights that can be offered..
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:10:23 EDT
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Chakras
Message-ID: <8d04a372.3545d541ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 28/4/98 2:49:54 am, you wrote:
>We all pretty much agree there are seven main chakras and three main
>nadis and could we please agree to refer to them by number, or something?
>
> 1) Root.. tip of tailbone. Fiery red.
> 2) second chakra, under the navel, I tend to feel it as the point where
>the spine joins the hips. Fiery red-gold-orange.
> 3) Power chakra. At the Diaphragm, under the base of the ribs. Golden
>yellow. Where "gut reactions" come from.
> 4) Heart chakra. Between the points of the shoulder blades, between the
>nipples in front. Green of nature, also pink of love. Source of the "still
>small voice within."
> 5) Throat chakra. Base of the neck in back, at the notch of the clavicles
>in front. Thought by some to be where the soul enters the body. Electric
>blue.
> 6) Third eye. located at the pineal in the center of the brain at the top
>of the spinal column. purple.
> 7) Crown. At the top of the head, or sometimes depicted as a ball of
>white or violet light slightly above the head. The halo.
To my understanding, the commonly-accepted nomenclature of the 7 chakras you
list, Sanskrit and English, is as follows (with some variations in the
Sanskrit transliteration):
1. Muladhara or Base
2. Svadisthana or Sacral
3. Manipura or Solar Plexus
4. Anahata or Heart
5. Vishuddha or Throat
6. Ajna or Brow
7. Sahasrara or Crown
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:35:52 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: ...pay attention & question
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Sharon wrote:
>So....if I had my druthers, I would rather see esoteric yoga discussions,
>poetry, and the like on a K-yoga list, and everything else on another...at
>least to start.
I agree with Sharon. K-yoga is a world unto itself. Those of us who got
spontaneous activation don't know the gurus or the jargon. Guru X says
this & Guru Y says that dosen't interest me at all.
But on to a question ...
Once when meditating very deeply I "saw" what looked like a blue cloud with
a hole in it. The hole was black and I could just see the edges of the
"hole" as an electric blue "cloud". Around the cloud was blackness. This
wasn't a visualization. My eyes were shut but it felt like I was seeing
this with my physical eyes.
Is this a k-related visual? If so, what was I supposed to "do" with it?
TIA for ideas.
Wow is she in my head today! Shakingshakingshakingly yours ...
--Signalfire
The web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist
---- Joy Rothke from Haiku
Error Message competition at Salon
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:07:04 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Chakras
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Hi Mystress! :)
At 16:44 1998.04.27 -0700, you wrote:
> This is a very basic map.. if someone (Danijel, harsha or Kurt, pretty
>please?) would like to elaborate with the Sanskrit and the sub groupings of
>chakras, it would make an excellent reference document for the website..
I think this, with Alan's supplement, is a very good map; I have a page on
my site dedicated to that but it is in Croatian and therefore not of much
use to folks here. :) If I manage to get some time to do it, I'll translate
that page and put it on www; I can't put it here since there are symbolic
representations of chakras etc. that make it clearer. There are description
of mental/emotional/spiritual qualities tied to petals of the chakras, in
unpurified and purified form.
As for the thing that there are seven main chakras, I don't know, after
visuddha purification I got into a very powerful chakra in my tongue, not
visuddha radiation but different, and yet very similar, different quality
of blue light, if I'm making any sense. :) Anyway, I got the impression
that it is tied to and probably more intense than visuddha in some ways.
Anyway, sorry for the delays in response everyone - I can't manage to catch
up with the amount of k-l mail...
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:17:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: K-list posting Members pay attention!!
Message-Id: <199804281417.JAA13426ATnospamdfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com>
I vote for keeping the list as is, but being more scrupulous about
snipping and accurately labelling the posts. I'm greedy and don't want
to give up anything. Holly
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:27:41 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: k list has babies
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In a message dated 4/28/1998, 12:50:22 AM, divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<<I wonder if one list that would be good is the K scholar list...which I
think would cover many of the things that Kurt is talking about.>>
Harsha: An excellent solution by Susan!
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:16:47 +0100
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: weeping
Message-ID: <1998042817164784101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
The message <35453857.D93ED9E0ATnospamearthlink.net>
from Kari Tyler <proph1984ATnospamearthlink.net> contains these words:
> I too, experienced this during my first conscious direction of raising K.
> It surged through my body, and I could feel warmth through my heart. The
> tears were unanticipated, blended with a myriad of sensations I have never
> encountered, thus only noticed it as secondary, after I felt their warmth.
> They surged as my heart did, and held my hand close to my heart as if first
> occured, the pulsing, light, and love beyond any experience before in my
> life. Next time this happened, my body spasmed after my head/crown felt
> like it blasted off through that area and outward. I too, at first, was
> truly mystified, yet have come to accept these experiences as truly real.
> I went through rationalization and self-doubt of occurences that our
> culture teaches us to disregard, yet inwardly know it is of a nature beyond
> our finite perceptions, to accept it, and it will guide.
> Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D. wrote:
> > Weeping has been an intermittent, yet consistent, K symptom for me. I
> > noticed right off the bat that the tears accompanying K did not make my
> > eyes puffy like tears of misery or anger do. Often the tears have no
> > content or even feeling and I attribute them to some kind of energy
> > surge or unblocking, as you thought. Other times they are clearly
> > tears of joy that come along with God-Light-Feeling in my body. They
> > also come with revelation that may or may not have emotion attached.
> > Sometimes they'll be over in an instant; other times there is sobbing
> > that is deep, muscular and not particularly wet. I've given up trying
> > to understand it all except that this is obviously what my body needs
> > to do to receive stuff that is so big. My husband is a little less
> > freaked out by this than he used to be! Love, Holly
Dear Soul
Me too and I am male with five children, not that "THAT" means
everything.
Love Chris
Sai Ram
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:20:47 -0400
From: chelseaATnospamsuperaje.com (Dominic & Maureen Marando)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: It's your choice
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Dear k-ites;
Thought you would all enjoy this, no matter what kind of day you are having.
Peace,
Mo :-)
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Subject: Fw: Today's Thought
>
> Jerry was the kind of guy you love to hate. He was always in a good mood and
>always had something positive to say. When someone would ask him how he was
>doing, he would reply, "If I were any better, I would be twins!" He was a
>unique manager because he had several waiters who had followed him around from
>restaurant to restaurant.
>
> The reason the waiters followed Jerry was because of his attitude.
>He was a natural motivator. If an employee was having a bad day, Jerry was
>there telling the employee how to look on the positive side of the
>situation.
>
> Seeing this style really made me curious, so one day I went up to
>Jerry and asked him, "I don't get it! You can't be a positive person all of
>the time. How do you do it?"
>
> Jerry replied, "Each morning I wake up and say to myself, Jerry, you
>have two choices today. You can choose to be in a good mood or you can choose
>to be in a bad mood.' I choose to be in a good mood. Each time something bad
>happens, I can choose to be a victim or I can choose to learn from it. I
>choose to learn from it. Every time someone comes to me complaining, I can
choose to accept their complaining or I can point out the positive side of
life. I choose the positive side of life."
>
> "Yeah, right, but it's not that easy," I protested.
>
> Yes it is," Jerry said. "Life is all about choices. When you cut away all
>the junk, every situation is a choice. You choose how you react to
>situations. You choose how people will affect your mood. You choose to be in
>a good or bad mood. The bottom line: It's your choice how you live life."
>
> I reflected on what Jerry said.
>
> Soon thereafter, I left the restaurant industry to start my own
>business. We lost touch, but I often thought about him when I made a choice
>about life instead of reacting to it. Several years later, I heard that
Jerry did something you are never supposed to do in a restaurant business:
he left the back door open one morning and was held up at gunpoint by three
armed robbers.
>
> While trying to open the safe, his hand, shaking from nervousness,
>slipped off the combination. The robbers panicked and shot him. Luckily,
>Jerry was found relatively quickly and rushed to the local trauma center.
>After18 hours of surgery and weeks of intensive care, Jerry was released from
>the hospital with fragments of the bullets still in his body.
>
> I saw Jerry about six months after the accident. When I asked him
>how he was, he replied, "If I were any better, I'd be twins. Wanna see my
>scars?" I declined to see his wounds, but did ask him what had gone through
>his mind as the robbery took place.
>
> The first thing that went through my mind was that I should have
>locked the back door," Jerry replied. "Then, as I lay on the floor, I
>remembered that I had two choices: I could choose to live, or I could choose
>to die. I chose to live."
>
> "Weren't you scared? Did you lose consciousness?" I asked.
>
> Jerry continued, "The paramedics were great. They kept telling me I
>was going to be fine. But when they wheeled me into the emergency room
>and I saw the expressions on the faces of the doctors and nurses, I got really
>scared. In their eyes, I read, 'He's a dead man.' I knew I needed to take
>action."
>
> "What did you do?" I asked.
>
> "Well, there was a big, burly nurse shouting questions at me," said
>Jerry. "She asked if I was allergic to anything. 'Yes,' I replied. The
>doctors and nurses stopped working as they waited for my reply, I took a deep
>breath and yelled, 'Bullets!' Over their laughter, I told them, "I am
>choosing to live. Operate on me as if I am alive, not dead."
>
> Jerry lived thanks to the skill of his doctors, but also because of his
>amazing attitude. I learned from him that every day we have the choice to
>live fully. Attitude, after all, is everything.
>
>You have 2 choices now:
>
>1. Delete this mail, or,
>2. Forward it to others.
>
>Hope, you will choose choice 2.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:01:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roberto Gonzales <rgvgATnospamyahoo.com>
To: krfATnospamnetaxis.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Mailing List
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Hi Gene:
I thought you were somehow envolved. how did you post anyway? Maybe
someone forgot to tell you the source of this list (I don´t know it.
Ironic isn´t it).
If you have a little time, this is how i got here. If you don´t go
striaght to the last parragraph. I will make the long story short
anyway.
I was taking a lot of LSD and mescaline by 1995-1996, because I always
knew there was something going in and out of me that trascended me (I
am 22 years old now, 19 back then) and didn´t know another way to get
in touch with it.
I was always interested in Hindu culture though, I sensed a lot of
power coming from that way up to here. And it flashed me how old
pictures in Hindus books ressembled to some LSD trip effects.
Beagan knowing people and listened about shamanic practices here in
Peru and went to the amazon jungle. took ayahuasca there in a place
called Takiwasi (chaint´s temple).
The people of Takiwasi are curing heroin and cocaine adicction with
ayahuasca which is a root that gets you to a near dead experience just
as yogis get practicing pranayama.
Takiwasi sends out a magazine every now and then where I once
(September, 1997) read an article on K, read it and knew (remembered)
what was that I have been looking for at that poiny of my life.
(THIS MAYBE WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR)
***I went to the net and typed KUNDALINI, on the Yahoo browser. I
got into "Kundalini Resource Center"
Inside I found, in the second parragrapgh of the fisrt page (not as a
buttom but in blueprint) "Kundalini Mailing List". Went there,
subscribed and that is how I am here. (one can go there and get
unsubcribed easily.***
Mystress A. seems to be managing the list that was opened in 1995 i
think (just the year I mentioned lines above -I love those wondeful
life´s coincidences.
Now there is a big problem because this is a place where people
involved with K converge. There are people from all over.
The thing is the list is about to get diverged. And that is due to so
many strains of sustaining opinions sustained by egos, etc...
But the thing is we still need a place to come together. We need to
measure ourselves up but K is something that has to be shared with.
You can´t go and tell your neighbor or fellow collegue: "Hi I have K,
wanna tlak about it. There was a serpent-like force coiled and it is
having it´s way upwards..." You can picture the reaction.
Well. I think I made myself about two points here. How to get here and
get info from here (Kundalini Resource Center, on the net) and why we
should do something to keep this list together and surrender our egos
a little bit to sustain not "our" truth but to try and reach out,
share and help with knowledge rather than opinion.
Love to you all
Roberto
Lima, Peru.
---Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> wrote:
>
> Could you tell me what the Kundalini Mailing list is
> and where one can have access to it.
>
> Thanks,
> Gene Kieffer
>
>
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:07:29 -1000 (HST)
From: lydia grayson <noneATnospamaloha.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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how would i find out if i had an experience. what happened was i went
to sit down and i started to see "stars" then blacked out. i felt my
body "convulsing" like my brain was trying to kick start. i had the
sensation that no blood was getting to my brain and then all of a
sudden i felt a rush to the top of my head and it was like i woke up.
after i was sitting there wondering if it really happened or did i just
dream it. while "out" i felt like i was in another dimension. but
somehow i knew i would come out and was scared at the same time.
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:20:28 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Wings.
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Hard to type while ROTFL... :-))))))))))
Will try to read this again later adn see waht I missed....
RE wings, yes, I have heard of this. Forget where, tho. But there's
something going around about it, in New Age bookstores I think. People
doign aura healings about untangling people's auric wings. Some kind of a
system about it.
Re scent and flowers ... I've run into thsi a few times about the crown
chkra 'blossoming'. Some unfolding there does make a nice scent. Never
encountered corsage before.
Let's see, if someone came in with flowers and a white lace dress for you,
would you throw them out as a pervert? :-)))))))))))
Thanks for sanity, as always!
Mary
At 05:33 AM 4/28/98 -0700, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>
> Hiya:
> i have been trying to untangle a puzzle of perceptions lately, and
>someone posted to me to ask about the "Flower of Joy" chakra I had
>mentioned to my Dad, which led me on a train of thought.. which led to some
>inspiration.
> I would really like some opinions on this weird idea. So I edited my post
>to that person for reposting here.. Comments?
/snip all/
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:20:30 -0700
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: k list has babies
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980428112023.0069583cATnospampop.sonic.net>
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Hastily, hope this doesn't sound too slangy....
At 11:27 AM 4/28/98 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/28/1998, 12:50:22 AM, divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com writes:
><<I wonder if one list that would be good is the K scholar list...which I
>think would cover many of the things that Kurt is talking about.>>
>
>Harsha: An excellent solution by Susan!
Sounds good to me!
Harsha, I forgot to agree with your excellent points a few posts back. The
Sanskrit maps alone aren't enough. We need to be reasonable, too. :-)
If some people want a no-Sanscrit list, and others want a SAnscrit-only
list, fine, there are 2 lists.
I'd opt for a 3rd list, mixed, of mainly posts that overlap Sanscrit and
spontaneous.
"I saw a black whirlpool, what is that?" ... "See ____ re vrittis."
"What does Swami X mean by _____?" ... "It's a sound sort of like a sonic
boom."
What really helps me ... is info (like from my Jain monk friend) which
gives sort of an overall picture, without a lot of heavy advice. For
example, he says that generally in normal life it is good for the energy (k
or otherwise) to spiral upward and aroudn the top of the head, then recylce
and flow back down outside teh body, like a fountain.
Spiral up sort of like incense smoke.... Not forced into a narrow central
channel, but not spewing out sideways either.
This is what the pictures of the ida and pingala aroudn the sushumna are
about. Also, all that stuff about ida=cool and pingala=warm really works! I
use it to control hot flashes etc. (Breathing in left nostril for ida etc
etc -- all that pranayama stuff works, for health and dealing with
imbalances, not just for "Enlightment". :-)
Seems to me in reading teh yoga books, we need to distinguish what are
methods of meditation for monks to use in short concentrated doses, maybe
for special purposes, (energy straight up only, for example) -- and
recommendations for general use all day in teh world. I get the impression
most of the Sanscrit writings are the former.
So IMO they are tremendously useful, but need to be taken in perspective.
Also, some are exercises for people who have no K experiences yet, and are
tryign to force some. Quite a different situation from most of us.
We are the ones who are having the experiences, we to go the old words and
pictures etc to see which fit them. Not to force our experiences into the
old patterns. But it is good ot know what the old patterns are, because
many of them DO fit.
SEems to me ... the SAnscrit teachings are like maps ... very detailed,
lots of good information in them.
Unfortunately, maps are publihsed by 3 kinds of people:
Type 1. Howard Shaktipat Johnson, who makes all roads lead to His Own Place
Type 2. who writes for people who are still trying to get their cars
started by striking them with a stick
Type 3. who doesn't believe in any of it but has lots of good footnotes :-)
So it's very helpful for us travellers to get together and compare the old
maps we've found useful ... with the ones we've had to draw for
ourselvse.... :-)
Blessings,
Bhuvan Devi
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 15:00:11 EDT
From: UweJohann <UweJohannATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: weeping
Message-ID: <739ece95.3546273cATnospamaol.com>
Four or fife years ago, I was lying in the grass in a park, enjoing the
sun. I was conting my breathes, they become deeper and deeper, I was lieing
there a long time. Suddenly I 'woke' up, sat myself up and started to weep, I
never weeped before like this. My thought at this moment was, 'I have a lot to
learn'.
I belief this was the re-start of an old story. Later in meditation it
happend sometimes, releasing of suppressed or unconscious emotions. Now it
happens simply, mostly by walking through nature, filled with bliss, such is
live
Love and light
Uwe
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