1998/04/27 14:59
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #338
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 338
Today's Topics:
My ol' Dad.. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Digest Version [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: K-list posting Members pay atten [ Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net> ]
fasting & k stuff... [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
weeping [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: *even* in the NORTH! [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Chakras [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Heart and Kundalini (was RE: kundali [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
unsubscribe [ John Adam Laughbaum <j-laughbaumATnospamsj ]
Re: weeping [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: Heart and Kundalini (was RE: kun [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Heart and Kundalini (was RE: kun [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Heart and Kundalini (was RE: kun [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Has the list crashed? [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
RE: K-list posting Members pay atten [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 01:47:21 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: My ol' Dad..
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Hello:
I have been mostly absent this past week.. Last weekend I was invited
to attend a native celebration and also got partial crash-course in that
culture.. after I came back I spent a few days wandering in a bit of a
daze, part of me was still there... as ideas filtered down about the
"problems" I was shown.. like the abysmally high suicide rates among our
native peoples, and some of the structures and events that led to this
situation of an entire people all suffering from Post Traumatic Stress
Syndrome. A lot of "Us and Them" victim history stuff there that I am not
accustomed to, having already made my own journeys with the issues of free
will and the illusion of victimization for myself.
Clearing some Ghosties on the weekend, I had been drawn into a lot of
cultural pain and anger, hope and wisdom, and at one point sitting alone
under the moonlight surrounded by spirits of that place, I found myself
pleading with Goddess for mercy on their behalf.. it pulled me some
distance from my usual frame of seeking the perfection in everything.. a
reminder for me to not get too caught up in empathy with unhappy ghosts.
Goddess responded with some strange affirmations of Free will.. showing
me some of the patterns of the decisions the natives as a culture have
made, in their own struggles for power and territory, with each other and
in the clash of cultures that nearly annihilated theirs.. that shaped their
path.. very sobering.. and hard to speak of, as ego cannot comprehend the
entire structure and so makes odd guesses based on glimpses of things
half-seen. Then looks for the polarity to find the balance of
possibilities. A puzzle..
I do get the feeling that those who were in company with me under the
moonlight got those visions also.. my job was just to show up and be used
as a communications device. Ground crew. I was getting passing energy
headaches for a few days after, reminders to open my crown wider 'coz
ghosts were still using it as a light portal. It felt like some part of me
outside of time was still sitting there in the moonlight in conversation..
I have since been given the directive to release all attachments.. pretty
standard advice from spirit.. but as I move to give up what I think I know,
send it out my head back to Goddess, it is replaced by glimpses of a
wordless shifting pattern of energy.. beautiful greens and purple-golds,
all colors, like an energy map of that part of the planet. It is so
beautiful I can only give it love.
So I am getting that my work is with the land itself, and not the
politics of the people on it. Suits me fine.. never liked politics much.
Give love to the Earth itself, it will flow back out magnified to the folks
moving on it.
My host for the weekend gifted me with a drum, as thanks for the work
clearing the ghosts that had been causing his children and family some
distress. The drum was crafted, he said, by their oldest and best drummer
and drum maker.. and such a gift is the traditional thanks from his people.
O Joy!
He gave me a choice of two drums.. but there was no contest.
Earlier that morning, he had gone out for a bit and I wandered into the
kitchen to fix my tea. I had been immediately mesmerized by the drum on the
table. A simple drum, unpainted and unadorned, slightly scuffed with age..
but what was it about it that made me long to caress it's skin and hear
it's tone?
I have never felt that way, about a drum before.. I have not considered
myself a drummer. I consider myself possessed of a lousy sense of rhythm,
tho I think it has improved over many years of using percussive instruments
on people.. :) but I have come to appreciate the drumming that has become a
part of the pagan events I attend, and I have felt the vibe and wanted to
be a part of it's making.
I felt that the drum was sacred, I wondered why it was sitting there on
the table, but as guest, I dared not touch. I had been given some books on
native culture to occupy myself with, tho the drum seemed to be distracting
me from my reading.. I looked up often to gaze at it's tawny skin, and
after a while the women of the house came in to play with a small gaggle of
children. There was a little blonde girl of about 3, who struck me as a
very independent child.. little Domina in the making. She wanted to play
the drum, and one of the women held it for her while she struck three
perfect beats with the stick and then gazed at me with clear blue eyes as
if to say, "see, the drum teaches you, it is easy..it likes white girls
too.." and I sat astonished at the perfect tone I had heard.. captured.
When my host offered it as a gift to me I was speechless.. astonished.
Awed. Grateful.
Later that day, I held it in my arms and felt it as sentient to the point
of being aware of itself.. it made my K-fire roar, and I invited my host to
feel the heat pouring out of the "attachment point" at the base of the back
of my neck.
I sat with it for a few days before I tried to play it. Getting to know
it a bit, feeling shy, feeling that the first playing would be amazing..
and it was, but for a different reason that I had guessed. An old friend
who has not been around lately showed up, delighted that at last I had a
drum in my lap.. My slave beyond death, cymbal. I had asked to buy his
drum off his parents after he passed on, but it was no surprise that they
were not ready to give it up.
I laughed out loud at the sheer perfection for several minutes as he
reminded me that he was an orchestral percussionist and a music teacher,..
(the first of many things he had lost to depression.. before I met him.)
and offered me a drum lesson. cymbal took over my fingers to tap out
complex, shifting rhythms.. very beautiful. Joyous, the unity.
I decided on Tuesday to go visit the old folks while they were
vacationing at their timeshare.. brought slave #1, druid along to meet them
and showed the drum to my Dad.. he converted to Roman Catholic when he
married Mom, but he held the drum and confessed of great reverence and
respect for Native spirituality, and started talking about how he always
had apologized to animals before he killed them, as a farmer must kill
sometimes... and of other things.
The circle comes round.. natives and colonists.. My English Grandfather
got an OBE in the Boer War and a chunk of Canada as a bonus. X-mas is
pagan.. who colonized who?
That was surprise #1.. surprise #2 was that both of my folks were open to
getting some therapeutic touch from me, and a crystal layout.. My my, that
was indeed a wonder.. I tried to guide them thru the grounding exercise,
each of them separately as the crystals did their magic, but they were
pretty resistant, interrupting to ask questions about unrelated things..
I did the layout on my Dad second, and surrendered to his interruptions
and questions with patience, telling him about the chakra rainbow within..
I had Barbara Brennan's "Hands of Light" with me, and he had gotten very
interested in looking at the drawings of auras and energy work.. I
mentioned to him the "flower of Joy" chakra and how it sometimes emitted an
unidentifiable odor..
He interrupted me with intensity this time to tell me he sometimes gets a
smell, that comes with a feeling that he does not like at all, and with it
come intense vibrations that make his whole body shake, and his head ache..
a few more questions revealed more details of several old healed wounds
had been mysteriously acting up again, and his digestion had been doing odd
things, odd food sensitivities, ringing in ears.. ever since X-mas. His
doctors are confused.. yes we have heard this story before, eh? LOL! I
shake my head in wonder.
So surprise #3 was the biggest.. My dear old Dad is KA.. Life continues
to be amazing.
I gave him some guidance for handling the flares, and a lot of
reassurance that it is normal for what he is experiencing.. promised to
send him a "Kundalini care package", info I'll print and send from my
favorite sites on the net.. some books.. and even some of my own writing..
So now I am informally my Dad's kundalini guru.. not that I expect he'll
accept much advise.. but I am open to more surprises. Blessed be.
Love, Mystress.
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:29:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Digest Version
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K list in digest form is great!
it has all the emails as attachments, i can read them one at a time or all
at once, i get them all once a day as ONE EMAIL only!.
am sad today, someone in India self-immolated himself or herself because
they moved 3 of the hunger strikers to the hospital!
self-immolation or self-starvation are not ahimsa! but! what else can the
Tibetans do? the UN isnt listening to them. The Un jurist council had a
recommendation and the rest of the security council caved into to China.
i keep flooding china with as much light as i can.
i dunno
--janpa
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 11:38:31
From: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: K-list posting Members pay attention!!
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At 01:11 AM 4/27/98 -0700, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> Kurt, I am entirely in agreement with you, and have been weighing in my
>mind what to do about it. I was gone for a few days and I came back to
>nearly 700 messages.. not all of them were K-list mail, but the majority
>were. We are up to five or 6 digests per day, at >32k each.
> I have been watching the traffic slowly creeping up for a while, but that
>was really a wake up call that it is out of control.
> That is simply too much for anyone to keep up with. Scanning the digests,
>there was a lot of noise..
Much in agreement here, and I understand this might be difficult to tame.
We listers could help, armed with your suggestions--snipping, changing the
subject lines to reflect the actual subject, etc.
While splitting the list sounds appealing on the one hand, I wonder if it
might instead cut people off from a lot of good wisdom? Or so it seems. I
spose we could sub to all of them...
The one spin-off I'd like to see is a k-chatter list (Lady Chatterly's
List?). If people want to talk about the weather, the neighbors, the job,
or what they saw on teevee, maybe they could sub to that.
Most of the time when I see the conversation rambling all over the place, I
suspect people are avoiding issues they need to face. I wonder if that's
what's going on now, at least in part, with the k-list? Another big jump
in the field, and folks don't yet feel ready to deal with it, maybe.
Like many, I've started mass-deleting notes, unread, because it's just too
much email. I sure hope I didn't miss anything good.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 09:36:04 -0700
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: fasting & k stuff...
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Saturday i tried joining some friends in a 24 hour fast. We were doing it
in solidarity with 6 hunger strikers in New Dehli who are trying to get
the UN' attention to the situation in Tibet.
My friends all managed to do ok, i however, think i had a diving case of
blood-sugar low because i got a massive headache and just generally felt
sick. So about 9:30 pm i broke mine to get some sugar in my system and
calm down my body. Later another friend told me i should have been
drinking apple juice until i went to bed the nite before...now he tells me
:).
Anyway, this seems to have released something....around my heart center...
Old feelings of being scared came up from when i was a kid. i used to be
so afraid of the dark! Shadows and things and the ocasional incubi dream.
Its amazing how the grown person reacts to the child's fears. My own
shadows, what else could they have been? But as a little girl, it was
pretty scary.
Its this sort of fear that paralyzed my voice, fear of the unknown and
fear of the shadows.
Even today i can still feel the flashes of its release as it works itself
out.
stay centered,
stay calm,
there is no one here who can hurt you!
There is no one here who wishes you harm...
its only dreams and mind-movies...
--dao
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:47:17 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: weeping
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Hello List,
Saturday morning I began to weep uncontrolably. I was not depressed,
sad, angry, frustrated...any of those things which might normally cause
me to cry... (but then this wasn't crying). I don't recall ever feeling
as I did on Saturday, I have never experienced this before.
I just let it happen, couldn't think of anything else to do! IT would
stop for an hour or so and then start all over, I did try to pinpoint
what was happening to me, but I was unable to do so.
I assume something is falling away,,, how to know what?
it was not unpleasnt, just very confusing and a bit embarrassing...not
knowing where the tears came from...
the family was uncomfortable, which didn't help, I told them I was fine,
but they kept trying to "fix" it....this was about the only discomfort..
that they felt so bad for me when I myself didn't feel bad.
Sunday was kind of a blur, some weeping but not as intense or as often,
today I seem fine but wondering what caused this, is this a part of K
or....?
If anyone out there has experienced this, please write and give me your
input...
thanks,
freda
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:58:33 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: *even* in the NORTH!
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>PLEASE don't get into this with me! I am so godamm sick of sanctimonius
>white Yankees assuming that just because of their geographic location they
>are somehow above & beyond feelings of discomfort with people of different
>backgounds!
I apologize. I was admitting my ignorance. It was quite a few years ago and
I was younger then. I know better now. Please don't raise your blood
pressure on my account. I was born in North Carolina :).
still friends?
amckeon
Date: 27 Apr 98 16:33:15 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Chakras
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Hello.
I've been wondering where the chakras are. I think some people spell
that `cackra' or even `cackhra'.
Anyway, in the past most of any activity I had seemed to be on the
front of my body. There is the root chakra underneath between the legs
but then the other chakras all seemed to be on the front. I would get
little quick pulses in the heart area or in the chakra which is below
that, and rarely at the front of my throat. I also notice that my brow
chakra is doing a lot of pulsing today. But I have read in a few
places that kundalini is meant to be in the /spine/, which is rather
to the back of the body. Admittedly I have been getting little bursts
of intense heat further down my spine just lately. There seems to be
some confusion as to wether the chakras are at the front or the back
or even in the middle of the body, and where the kundalini does its
stuff. Is it just that the kundalini is sources in the spine but
networks out to the chakras which are towards the front of the body?
--
Paul.
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 12:17:38 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'freda'" <fredaATnospamblarg.net>, anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Heart and Kundalini (was RE: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe))
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Hey, all,
Just to be clear....I am NOT clear...
I am unsure of what IS pertinent.
I am pretty sure this particular post is NOT k related.
sorry,
freda
KK: How about this?
>From my earliest experiences the arising of kundalini has often been
accompanied by a tympani-like sound. Kind of a quick tympani riff followed
by a lightening bolt rising up my spine. I was gratified to read the
tympani sound was one of those associated with kundalini in text such as
the Hatha Yoga Pradipika.
Recently I've begun to notice that the tympani-like sound *actually appears
to come from my physical heart* fibrillating! Can anyone else relate to
this experience?
It makes me wonder if there is not something to Ivan Bentov's model of
kundalini. He attributes it to micromotions created by the heart and
carried up to the brain. The precise nature of the micromotion illicits a
physical response all along the body from the toes to the crown -
depending on the amount of physical tension in the body. If you're too
tense then the micromotion gets damped. You can read about it in ``Stalking
the Wild Pendulum" or in Lee Sannella's books.
How about that Freda? Brief . experientially oriented ... seeking
confirmation or feedback from the group ...not dogmatic... raising an idea
... pointers to a couple relevant references ...one classical - one modern.
``I write what I would like to read.'' Samuel R. Delaney
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:25:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Adam Laughbaum <j-laughbaumATnospamsjca.edu>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: unsubscribe
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I have deeply enjoyed much that I have recieved from this list, but I have
far too many old messages to read. I hope to re-subscribe when I have
sorted through them. God bless all of you.
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:51:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: weeping
Message-Id: <199804272051.PAA18963ATnospamdfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com>
Weeping has been an intermittent, yet consistent, K symptom for me. I
noticed right off the bat that the tears accompanying K did not make my
eyes puffy like tears of misery or anger do. Often the tears have no
content or even feeling and I attribute them to some kind of energy
surge or unblocking, as you thought. Other times they are clearly
tears of joy that come along with God-Light-Feeling in my body. They
also come with revelation that may or may not have emotion attached.
Sometimes they'll be over in an instant; other times there is sobbing
that is deep, muscular and not particularly wet. I've given up trying
to understand it all except that this is obviously what my body needs
to do to receive stuff that is so big. My husband is a little less
freaked out by this than he used to be! Love, Holly
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:10:13 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Heart and Kundalini (was RE: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe))
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>KK: How about this?
>
>From my earliest experiences the arising of kundalini has often been
>accompanied by a tympani-like sound.
<snipped for length>
>How about that Freda? Brief . experientially oriented ... seeking
>confirmation or feedback from the group ...not dogmatic... raising an idea
>... pointers to a couple relevant references ...one classical - one modern.
Yes, a good post. Not much for anyone to object to there.
>``I write what I would like to read.'' Samuel R. Delaney
I have always tried to do this. I always reread my posts before I send
them, often more than once. I usually even find rereading them enjoyable.
Unfortunately, I can't really use Delaney's quote as a guideline, can I?
Because I like a bit of chattiness, and silliness, and wit, and you (as
well as a lot of people who hint at this as a parting shot when they
unsubscribe) obviously don't.
So there ya go. Maybe someone can come up with another quote?
Here's a few of my favorites:
"The more complex the mind, the greater the need for the simplicity of
play." Captain Kirk (probably stolen from someone else)
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Samuel Johnson
"You can believe anything you want. That doesn't mean the universe has to
keep a straight face." Author?
"Ah, arrogance *and* stupidity, how efficient of you!" Londo Molari
And pretty much anything tg puts at the end of her emails!
amckeon
(That dang ego just gnawled through it's leash again!)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:35:31 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Heart and Kundalini (was RE: kundalini-l (was RE: unsuscribe))
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>KK: How about this?
>
>From my earliest experiences the arising of kundalini has often been
>accompanied by a tympani-like sound.
<snipped for length>
>How about that Freda? Brief . experientially oriented ... seeking
>confirmation or feedback from the group ...not dogmatic... raising an idea
>... pointers to a couple relevant references ...one classical - one modern.
Yes, a good post. Not much for anyone to object to there.
>``I write what I would like to read.'' Samuel R. Delaney
I have always tried to do this. I always reread my posts before I send
them, often more than once. I usually even find rereading them enjoyable.
Unfortunately, I can't really use Delaney's quote as a guideline, can I?
Because I like a bit of chattiness, and silliness, and wit, and you (as
well as a lot of people who hint at this as a parting shot when they
unsubscribe) obviously don't.
So there ya go. Maybe someone can come up with another quote?
Here's a few of my favorites:
"The more complex the mind, the greater the need for the simplicity of
play." Captain Kirk (probably stolen from someone else)
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Samuel Johnson
"You can believe anything you want. That doesn't mean the universe has to
keep a straight face." Author?
"Ah, arrogance *and* stupidity, how efficient of you!" Londo Molari
And pretty much anything tg puts at the end of her emails!
amckeon
(That dang ego just gnawled through it's leash again!)
P.S. If you get this twice, I apologize. Apparently I was unsuscribed! And
it looked as if this had bounced, so I resubscribed and resent it.
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:46:14 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Heart and Kundalini (was RE: kundalini-l (was RE: that word
that means leave the list))
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>KK: How about this?
>
>From my earliest experiences the arising of kundalini has often been
>accompanied by a tympani-like sound.
<snipped for length>
>How about that Freda? Brief . experientially oriented ... seeking
>confirmation or feedback from the group ...not dogmatic... raising an idea
>... pointers to a couple relevant references ...one classical - one modern.
Yes, a good post. Not much for anyone to object to there.
>``I write what I would like to read.'' Samuel R. Delaney
I have always tried to do this. I always reread my posts before I send
them, often more than once. I usually even find rereading them enjoyable.
Unfortunately, I can't really use Delaney's quote as a guideline, can I?
Because I like a bit of chattiness, and silliness, and wit, and you (as
well as a lot of people who hint at this as a parting shot when they
unsubscribe) obviously don't.
So there ya go. Maybe someone can come up with another quote?
Here's a few of my favorites:
"The more complex the mind, the greater the need for the simplicity of
play." Captain Kirk (probably stolen from someone else)
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." Samuel Johnson
"You can believe anything you want. That doesn't mean the universe has to
keep a straight face." Author?
"Ah, arrogance *and* stupidity, how efficient of you!" Londo Molari
And pretty much anything tg puts at the end of her emails!
amckeon
(That dang ego just gnawled through it's leash again!)
P.S. If you get this twice, I apologize. Apparently I was unsuscribed! And
it looked as if this had bounced, so I resubscribed and resent it.
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:53:14 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Has the list crashed?
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I keep getting unsubbed. I keep resubbing. What is going on?
amckeon
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:07:30 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Mystress Angelique Serpent'" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: K-list posting Members pay attention!!
Message-ID: <01BD71EE.333AAB40.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
List Mystress says:
One thought I have had, is to split the list. The first split was the
K-sex list, and it is doing well, tho it is a private list and there is no
cross-posting. It has evolved into it's own separate entity..
My initial thoughts are to create several new lists, more specialized to
the various interests I have seen cropping up repeatedly. One would be the
new K-phenomena list, and perhaps a K-sanskrit list. Another K-sex list
that is a bit less intimate and does not require a vote to get into.. and
mebbie a K-support list for those seeking the comfort of chatting about
daily k-inspired stuff in a supportive environment.
KK:
I'm primarily interested in:
Traditional Kundalini yoga related practices - using effort and intention -
kriya yoga, kundalini yoga, hatha yoga, the yoga of the Nathas, the yoga of
the Kaulas, Sri Vidya
And those of grace: siddha yoga, sahaja yoga, kundalini mahayoga
I enjoy talking shop about these practices and the gurus/teachers who
are/were exponents of such systems. Such discussions necessarily employ a
certain amount of technical terminology, often in Sanskrit - but I don't
think anyone is interested in sanskrit-l
I'm surprised that there are relatively few discussions of this sort on
this list. It seems that people who are actually practicing traditional
forms of kundalini yoga are rare here. Any idea why? There are probably 400
or more teachers of 3HO kundalini yoga in the world but I don't think we
have a single one on the list.
And
Kundalini processes - shared experiences of kundalini. This one is a bit
harder to delineate:
I checked out the kundalini_p archives at http://www.onelist.com/ and they
don't look exactly like the list that Sharon originally described. Perhaps
the list never got off the ground. But it does seem like a good idea.
I think it would be interested to start such a list in which the ``entry
ticket'' was your awakening story.
In short I think dividing the list is a good idea - but I would cut it as
few ways as possible to get started. I think Paul West likened some of
these ideas to turning up the TV when people are talking. I think of it as
being invited to someone's home for a group meditation and discussion of
spiritual experiences and instead finding a noisy cocktail party in
progress- hardly the environment for discussing deeply personal
experiences.
Kurt
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