1998/04/26 17:02
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #335
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 335
Today's Topics: Re: Directions... (Ed) [ "Ed Jason" ]
Ups and downs, and ups [ "Paul West" ] Re: Ups and downs, and ups [ Imtgxxx ]
clowns [ "Susan Carlson" ] Re: clowns [ "Isabel" ]
Re:the big SMALL thing... [ Delirium ] Re: clowns [ MMeyers541 ]
digest 333 334 [ trexisATnospamjuno.com ] Re: unsuscribe [ DrEOC ]
Re:the big SMALL thing... [ Angela Mary Broad ] Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:26:07 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" To: ,
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> After Truth there is clowning. When one who is firm in Truth recognizes > another, there can be nothing but clowning. Think about it.
True. That is why I treat you so seriously.
> You tell people not to clown around and what to avoid. But you're Ed, > not Dad.
:-D
People hear what they want to. Your father, Our Father, is more than welcome here.
> Are you everyone's spiritual daddy? You would TELL the seeker to avoid.
> Another would TEACH the seeker to be aware. There are followers for both > types of teachers, I suppose, so I shouldn't criticize as much as offer
> an alternative.
Exactly so, the alternative is to be aware of the tendency to criticize - and avoid it. We await your or anyones teaching on developing awareness. Everyones spiritual daddy welcome (and mom).
> I never said genuine attributes are not always knowable. I said there
> are no genuine attributes.
Ain't that the truth?
> How do know that clown had not been chasing after those genuine
> attributes everyone knows about, then made a turn about in consciousness > and met Truth?
Well eh . . .I guess coz my genuine attributes say - don't clown with this 'truth'.
Now you are telling the clown to turn around again to > what is behind him? What are you, the great un-enlightener Dad of
> Mankind?
I am indeed the 'Great un-enlightener Dad of Mankind'. All praise to me.
> I am aware of the question, the insinuation, and of your declaration of
> my hypnosis. Awareness itself takes my attention, not genuine > attributes. I'm sure they can be nicely listed though and given to your
> spiritual children along with a nice list of what to avoid. Will there > be a quiz on this?
Do I detect hostility or is that just my awareness? (part one of the quiz). As for hypnosis - I grow sleepy - of this clowning.
Dear Children "Kill the Heretic" The first commandment of the 'Great un-enlightener Dad of Mankind'
"Thou shalt consider onself a heretic" PS - mad people please do not commit suicide. More instructions to follow . . .
> One who is in relationship with I AM does not call I AM anything, does
> not refer to it as an attribute at all. If I AM is not a genuine > attribute, how can anything be?
No idea.
> One teacher would offer lists of what to be and what to avoid. Another > would encourage awareness. The seeker would most likely spend time in
> each camp and learn from both, the strict Dad and the liberated Uncle, > the two clowns.
One clown Lobster
Date: 26 Apr 98 15:56:38 +0000 From: "Paul West"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Ups and downs, and ups
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Hello.
Has anybody here ever found spiritual liberation to any degree by pulling an all-nighter? What I mean is, day in day out we wake up when
it's light and we go to bed when it's dark and we see the light turning into the dark but we don't usually see the dark turning into
the light.
Last night I happened to be up unusually late, it was getting on for 5:00am. I looked out of the window and to my surprise the sky was
starting to lighten again. This is not something I have seen for quite some time. Very refreshing. I didn't pull an all-nigher though, it can
be unwise and unhealthy.
But there were a couple of times in the past that it had an even greater effect. I had been at home for some months unemployed and had
been going to bed late and waking up just into the afternoon. This was happening regularly for several months. Then one night things got so
silly that I just didn't go to bed. Instead I just sat and looked out of my window. It was a clear night, no clouds. As I sat there for
hours I just watched everything starting to wake up. Everything just got lighter and lighter and more and more lively. I saw things I
didn't even know happened. I hadn't seen a morning of any description for a very long time. It was so new, so different, so liberating. I
was in a phenomenally liberated state of mind that day like it was a completely new beginning. I just watched, just observed, everything.
The aeroplanes starting to rise into the sky, the sun and shadows on the walls, the birds gathering food, people putting out washing in
their nightclothes, kids off on their way to school. And it all felt so good because I was at the very start of it, I knew what it was like
before all of that and so everything was a delight.
Another time I pulled another all-nighter but it was not so ideal nor were the circumstances so synchronous. The first time was quite unique
and something of a spiritual event. Seeing the sky beginning to get light last night was like, well, just going a little bit further than
the darkness, a little bit further than the dead-end. Being atuned with nature I prefer to see these things happening in reality, in
the world. I suppose I'd forgotten what it was like for light to follow darkness. :)
--
Paul. Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:28:49 -0400
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Dear k-ites....enjoy............ >
> >------------------------------
> >Subject: Fw: Today's Thought
> > Jerry was the kind of guy you love to hate. He was always in a good mood and
>always had something positive to say. When someone would ask him how he was >doing, he would reply, "If I were any better, I would be twins!" He was a
>unique manager because he had several waiters who had followed him around from >restaurant to restaurant.
> > The reason the waiters followed Jerry was because of his attitude.
>He was a natural motivator. If an employee was having a bad day, Jerry was >there telling the employee how to look on the positive side of the
>situation. >
> Seeing this style really made me curious, so one day I went up to >Jerry and asked him, "I don't get it! You can't be a positive person all of
>the time. How do you do it?" >
> Jerry replied, "Each morning I wake up and say to myself, Jerry, you >have two choices today. You can choose to be in a good mood or you can choose
>to be in a bad mood.' I choose to be in a good mood. Each time something bad >happens, I can choose to be a victim or I can choose to learn from it. I
>choose to learn from it. Every time someone comes to me complaining, I can choose to accept their complaining or I can point out the positive side of
life. I choose the positive side of life." >
> "Yeah, right, but it's not that easy," I protested. >
> Yes it is," Jerry said. "Life is all about choices. When you cut away all >the junk, every situation is a choice. You choose how you react to
>situations. You choose how people will affect your mood. You choose to be in >a good or bad mood. The bottom line: It's your choice how you live life."
> > I reflected on what Jerry said.
> > Soon thereafter, I left the restaurant industry to start my own
>business. We lost touch, but I often thought about him when I made a choice >about life instead of reacting to it. Several years later, I heard that
Jerry did something you are never supposed to do in a restaurant business: he left the back door open one morning and was held up at gunpoint by three
armed robbers. >
> While trying to open the safe, his hand, shaking from nervousness, >slipped off the combination. The robbers panicked and shot him. Luckily,
>Jerry was found relatively quickly and rushed to the local trauma center. >After18 hours of surgery and weeks of intensive care, Jerry was released from
>the hospital with fragments of the bullets still in his body. >
> I saw Jerry about six months after the accident. When I asked him >how he was, he replied, "If I were any better, I'd be twins. Wanna see my
>scars?" I declined to see his wounds, but did ask him what had gone through >his mind as the robbery took place.
> > The first thing that went through my mind was that I should have
>locked the back door," Jerry replied. "Then, as I lay on the floor, I >remembered that I had two choices: I could choose to live, or I could choose
>to die. I chose to live." >
> "Weren't you scared? Did you lose consciousness?" I asked. >
> Jerry continued, "The paramedics were great. They kept telling me I >was going to be fine. But when they wheeled me into the emergency room
>and I saw the expressions on the faces of the doctors and nurses, I got really >scared. In their eyes, I read, 'He's a dead man.' I knew I needed to take
>action." >
> "What did you do?" I asked. >
> "Well, there was a big, burly nurse shouting questions at me," said >Jerry. "She asked if I was allergic to anything. 'Yes,' I replied. The
>doctors and nurses stopped working as they waited for my reply, I took a deep >breath and yelled, 'Bullets!' Over their laughter, I told them, "I am
>choosing to live. Operate on me as if I am alive, not dead." >
> Jerry lived thanks to the skill of his doctors, but also because of his >amazing attitude. I learned from him that every day we have the choice to
>live fully. Attitude, after all, is everything. >
>You have 2 choices now: >
>1. Delete this mail, or, >2. Forward it to others.
> >Hope, you will choose choice 2.
> Love,
Mo..who chooses to be a light-hearted traveller....even though sometimes she falls short...:-)
> >
> >
Date: 26 Apr 98 16:28:09 +0000 From: Paul West
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Browsing the brow
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Hello.
Sorry about the dodgy subject line ;-)
About 3-4 years ago I was dabbling with out of body experiences. I had various relaxation things I'd do, sometimes a small amount of yoga,
which would end up with me trying to have an OOBE. If nothing it would make me sleep like a log (I always do anyway). But I didn't have all
that much sucess, and any success I did have was not /my/ choosing.
About a year ago I re-aroused excitement for a few days and went with the flow of things. Near to the end of my efforts I put my attention
into the brow chakra - the center of christ consciousness - the third eye. It helps in inducing the body to go to sleep you see. Well I did
this and I was quite relaxed and because I hadn't done it for a long time I was doing it really freshly and well. I usually tense up as the
body starts to inflate and go to sleep, but this time I didn't. I remained `in' the third eye for a few minutes, far far longer than
normally possible. That was about as far as I got though so I went to sleep after that.
Next day when I woke up I felt that I was looking through my brow,
that I was sort of behind my eyes and up a bit. It seemed permanent. There as a subtle rippling of energies in the whole area. And I was
carefree. I remained highly carefree all day. I went to help with the week's shopping at the supermarket and was bouncing about the place
having fun with no feeling of guilt or intimidation or inhibition. I didn't seem to have the /ability/ to care one iota. For the entire day
my brow chakra was bubbling and pulsing and rippling. Was quite a delightful experience.
On reflection I found out that there had been some seriously
influential planetary activity at the time, and that it was expected for there to be a lot of universal energy flowing through me at the
time. I sort of subconsciously coordinate myself according to these things you see, strongly intuition-guided. I have not since dabbled
with OOBE's, I sort of lost interest in trying to do them just for the discovery. I kind of learnt that there isn't really that much up there
that can be used for entertainment, that it was meant to be more mature than that. I had never before, or since, had the experience of
an active chakra for such a duration of time.
So with regards my subject heading, I was browsing my brow chakra when all this occured. Forgive me, please ;-)
I'm sorry that I've taked topics a little off-topic in my time here,
I hope this message is a bit more kundalini-related.
-- Paul.
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:18:42 -0700 From: "Ed Jason"
To: "Rik" , "Kundalini list" Cc: ,
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> You arrogant fool! ;))
Sadly true.
> Well stated. There is essentially One "path" - any divisions are
> diversionary, perhaps 'circuses' as you say. The direct path is > not a "path" at all. It is simply *becoming* the attributes.
> There is indeed only one form of Progress universal to all supposed > paths. Progress is Becoming. (however ugly it may sometimes appear...)
Ugly? I feel it is only the impure, the shells, the coverings on our innate attunement and alignment with kindness, bestowal and wisdom that are ugly. This is where pain resides. Some people I sense have been working quite hard on healing (sent my way) many thanks your efforts are noted. The attributes are innate. Each person is innately pure and the Universal Clown. So do not be foolish enough to settle for anything less :-D
> > The genuine is the path. >
> Precisely. The accruing of genuine attributes of the universal Self > is at the heart the only path.
These qualities grow. Very few completely overcome their human nature. So in this sense it is the sharing of knowledge, the reinforcement of the positive and the efforts to healing, comfort and kindnes - the will to transform that constitutes the path. In this sense 'Kundalini forum' is an oganic community of great richness and diversity. It has Heart. At different times people are in need to play different functions. Each is the Heart.
> Very much so. Due to the nature of human limitation, which tends > to create barriers to recognition and direct expression of the
> infinite attributes of the Self, people scheme ways around these > barriers, diverting them from direct expression and creating more
> structures to navigate. A circus. Many of these indirect methods > have proven value to the degree that they may cause one to stumble
> across the genuine attributes sought. All such seekers are "clowning" > to the extent that we've failed to realize a direct connection to
> the Source, i.e. Everything, from which we may pluck our desired > attributes with abandon.
> > Thanks again Ed.
> > Abandoning the circus, but still clowning impatiently. -rik
Patience is a great virtue that comes only with time . . .
:-) People want spiritual growth. I know some have said they are happy with no desire to 'move anywhere' because there is nowhere to go. Everything is perfect for them. You can have your cake and eat it or you can give it away and bake a better cake. You will never be satisfied - true but then giving away cake is sweeter than the product.
The thing is the attributes become finer. The capacities and duties become greater (completely voluntary). The Source is everything and I like sauce with everything (shucks - what a clown I is) It is easy to find out what is wrong with oneself or others, to find out what is right is just another attitude.
So thanks are due to you also for saying what we each need to hear. The attributes required are all around us, expansive like the sky, supportive like the ground and human like - well people I guess.
Roll Up. Roll Up Ed
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:05:04 EDT From: Imtgxxx
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Hey Paul...
Enjoyed reading about your all nighters and observing the beauty of it all.
Haven't done that, but will try it now.
I watched a sunset once -- the sun coming down over the horizon and the sunbeams reflecting off the river in Cocoa Beach, Fla..... I stared at and
observed the large sunray on the water, and all of a sudden the twinkling lights from the sun on the water started dancing around, moving all over the
place. The large ray on the water began turning a deep blue.... then purple, then red, orange, yellow, all colors! The colors spread out and started
giving me a show of their own, switching colors back and forth, over and over, with the twinkling lights of the sun on the water dancing all around it. It
was beautiful! I never saw anything like that in my life! It was like a show just for me. I couldn't take my eyes off of it (thinking it might go away)
and asked my friend who was also watching the sunset if he was seeing what I was seeing... (I explained it to him). He said yes! that he always sees it
that way - thats why he loves to watch the sunsets so much.
I tried it with a sunrise over the ocean one morning and got the same thing - sooo beautiful! Everytime I watch a sunrise or sunset it is the same thing
now.... twinkles of light and dancing rainbows all over the waters. Beautiful! You gotta try it sometime.
xxxtg
* I intend to live forever.... so far, so good! *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html
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Personally, i have always found clowns to be somewhat scary. All those
exaggeratd features and posturings give me the creeps if I look too close.
Susan
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Hello.
Dare I ask... but what are the different spiritual inclinations of
each of the star signs? Are some signs more spiritual than others? Which? What kind of spirituality does each sign live?
--
Paul. Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:58:14 -0700
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:32:58 -0700
From: "Isabel" <isabelATnospamtlcs.com>
To: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: clowns
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Hi Susan,
I agree with you regarding clowns being scary. I also have heard, and
believe that one reason clowns are scary is because they hide their true
faces/selves behind the clown make up.
Isabel
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From: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Sunday, April 26, 1998 09:28
Subject: clowns
>Personally, i have always found clowns to be somewhat scary. All those
>exaggeratd features and posturings give me the creeps if I look too
>close.
>
>Susan
>
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:45:45 +0100
From: Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re:the big SMALL thing...
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I think this phenomenon is partially physical, when we get very tired
but aren't yet asleep I think either our eyes or our minds tend to put
things slightly out of their compared context...but YES, I do know what
you mean...how to explain it...it is a shift in perception, so in that
way it is transcendent...and the "logical" processes are subdued so that
what you "know" to be a small corner of a ceiling/wall seems all funny
and shifted...and the lines from the place where the corners and ceiling
meet all seem to go off to infinity...yes, it's VERY transcendent.
I either seem very big or very small in comparison, if I am thinking
about it at the times it happens. I've noticed this also happens if I am
running a fever...the "pink floyd" syndrome...
It has happened to me since I was an infant, and all I remember was
wondering...about my perception ...
All the spatial relationships are different, distorted, when this
happens, so I don't know if the wall or myself are closer/farther away,
or from what point of view I'm seeing...
And this pretty much means the division between "I" and "object"
disappears and feels so much different than "normal"...
And then the head-buzzes become obvious...soon thereafter I end up
drifting off to sleep.
For whatever this bit of weird-sounding babbling is worth-I *do* know
the sensation/phenom...and most people find me boringly "normal." Hmm...
Blessings-- (the aptly-nicked) Delirium
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:37:27 EDT
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: isabelATnospamtlcs.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: clowns
Message-ID: <7a29ed94.35439b09ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-26 13:32:36 EDT, you write:
<< I agree with you regarding clowns being scary. I also have heard, and
believe that one reason clowns are scary is because they hide their true
faces/selves behind the clown make up.
>>
Michele: Oops! Have to jump in here. My best friend in the WHOLE-WIDE WORLD
is a clown...she's also a Wellness Manager for a major health organization
here in Denver...goes around the country giving Health & Humor seminars, does
improv & stand-up comedy w/me and, last but not least, was my mother's very
own PERSONAL clown, visiting her in the hospital after she had surgery for
brain cancer...in the process spreading good cheer to many children, families
& staff as we walked through the medical center that day. Her clown name is
Besitos, which is Spanish for "little kisses"...& her true face/self behind
the make-up is just as wonderful & authentic as the one with the giant red
smile painted over it!
You just haven't met the right clown yet.
Take care...& hug & xxxxxx a clown today,
Michele
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:29:39 -0400
From: trexisATnospamjuno.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: digest 333 334
Message-ID: <19980426.182940.3238.0.trexisATnospamjuno.com>
I had a crash and my computer lost the digest #333 and #334 and
an email
from lalalalaloba. For the life of me, I can't get the archive to return
the files I want
and am hoping someone can simply forward the two files to me.
Thanksamuchso
Edward
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:01:11 EDT
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Please unsubscribe me. Your letters have jammed my mailbox in 2 days. Hundreds
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:39:48 -0600 (MDT)
From: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
To: Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re:the big SMALL thing...
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Hello Delerium
I do get that feeling of 'lines going off into infinity' often but more
then that it's before I go to sleep and often in the middle of the day,
just behind my vision, I will sense this and it's not me for there isnt'
really a size to me during this, it's just it and it is like a tiny point
in another dimension, so very vast it stretches off in all direcions. The
wall is only a trigger if I want to know it and can't but not the final
experiance. Once I experianced it soo deeply that it became a land. I
felt as if I was lying in bed, going out of my body, tilting back and
forth sidways, as if rocking slowly in a cradle. I sliped out the back of
my head, and ended up iside the big small thing but it was the 'land ofthe
big small thing' instead and there were many curving lines/spaces,
spireling off in multiple dimensions/directions...I was upside down and
backwards the feeling of unreality so strong that I doubt I was there for
more then five minutes, though it seemed longer. Do any of you know of
this?
Angie
p.s. Delerium is also a very good group, or at least their latest release,
Karma is. Checkitout :)
-flying
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:32:28 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Nisargadatta
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I have added 30 additional 'I Am' verses from Nisargadatta's I Am That
and arranged them to form what I call The Nisargadatta Song of I Am.
Here are a couple of examples:
"Just like the sun is reflected in a bilion dew drops, so is the
timeless endlessly repeated. When I repeat: 'I am, I am', I merely
assert and re-assert an ever-present fact. You get tired of my words
because you do not see the living truth behind them. Contact it and you
will find the full meaning of words and silence -- both."
"The 'I am' that pursues the pleasant and shuns the unpleasant is false;
the 'I am' that sees pleasure and pain as inseparable sees rightly."
"Give your heart and mind to brooding over the 'I am', what is it, how
is it, what is its source, its life, its meaning. It is very much like
digging a well. You reject all that is not water, till you reach the
life-giving spring."
Thank you,
Jerry
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
scroll down to Nisargadatta Song of I Am
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