1998/04/26 05:42
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #334
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 334
Today's Topics:
Re: Pleasure (more stuff) [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Pleasure (more stuff again) [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Directions... (Ed) [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Directions... (Ed) [ hall12cATnospamMEENA.CC.UREGINA.CA ]
You Glo Girl (Was Re: Directions...E [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Directions... (Ed) [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Directions...Ed/Jerry [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Directions... (Ed) [ Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com> ]
The Guest and the Host [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Context [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
really well, better than ever [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Date: 26 Apr 98 01:28:42 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pleasure (more stuff)
Message-Id: <35428DCA.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> >P: A few people think I am an angel.
>
> A: That may be because you look like one. From your physical description it
> sounds to me as if you have a rather unique "look" that others my find
> intriguing and attractive, as well as angelic.
I don't entirely recall having given out a physical description of
myself? I know I've gone to some depth about how I feel and what my
views of stuff are, but have I disclosed something else without
realising it? What do you think I look like?
> >P: It just needed to be done, and certan techniques
> >needed to be used to do it. Simply, efficient, what's all the hoo-hah
> >about? I can do anything if doing it is simply a matter of fact. Just
> >factual, real.
>
> A: Most employers would be glad to have you. I am the "other sort" who have
> a very difficult time with mundane tasks. It's the Attention Deficit
> Disorder. Be glad you don't have it. It makes working for someone else
> quite difficult. I have a hard time doing something just because someone
> else says it's necessary.
Wierd. We seem quite opposite in this respect. There must be things
about you which I dearly admire and long for.
> >P: When it's approached with liking and disliking and all
> >that it can't be done.
>
> A: You are correct. I'm working on it :)
But this is normal for me. I have a real hard time trying to like
stuff and trying to figure out why other people get so excited about
stuff.
> >P: They carry on taking me for granted. I
> >don't like that. Just because I am patient doesn't mean I condone the
> >things I'm being patient about.
>
> A: I end up working with people like you all the time, and we often
> misunderstand each other. I have tried of late to take the time to
> compliment and appreciate my fellow coworkers so that they don't think I'm
> breezing on by (on my way to something "important") and ignoring them out
> of arrogance.
Again I find it strange. It's like you are an opposite, and yet you
still have struggles. I have been mostly believing that I was just
wrong and people like you were always right. No offence or anything
but it doesn't seem to be the case, and probably isn't the case vice
versa either.
> Many of your coworkers may not mean to take you for granted. This could be
> your projection. I am a bit of a lone wolf at work, but it is not because I
> think the other people are below my notice; I just feel driven to do my own
> thing. I wish they didn't take it personally. Hope this helps in maybe you
> seeing the point of view of those "others" you work with.
Yes, most interesting.
> A: Well, trying to pick up that special someone at the local pub rarely
> works if what you're looking for is true love. It will get you some of
> "that" but if "that" isn't what you want, why bother? Socialize in your own
> way. Find a group of people you have something in common with. There's got
> to be a meditation group in your area, for example. I bet they all go out
> for a coffee after.
It's just a matter of trust. If I don't feel that I can trust a person
deeply I simply cannot open up to them. I especially don't like the
`ice breaker' types who suggest a pint down the pub just as soon as
you've started working with them. I just can't do it. The times I've
had to lie or struggle to say no. Fact is people can't be trusted. I
hope I am not offending you when I say this. I could trust you over
time.
> >P: I found his close-up
> >burping to not be funny. He thought it was funny.
>
> A: Of course it's not funny to the person on the receiving end. It's gross
> and rude. You might want to consider changing jobs.
I /might/ want to consider it? I utterly ached to do it for months but
couldn't because I felt loyal and patient and all that. But I did quit
because the whole thing was just too much for me to take.
> As a comparison, the schizophrenics I used to work with at the drop-in
> center (a different job) were actually quite fun to be around most of the
> time. :)
:)
I am not sure if I saw a schizophrenic man once, he might have been
on drugs or something.
Incidently, do you think it is right for school and so on to tell kids
lots of information about drugs as an attempted countermeasure? IMO
they should teach the kids to be more innocent. I personally don't
know jack about drugs other than a few household names and it is
probably because of that that I will not go near them.
> >P: Sometimes I wonder
> >if age has anything to do with maturity whatsoever.
>
> A: Many people mature with age. Some stay 15 years old until they die at
> 75. When you run into these people it can be kind of shocking, not to
> mentin sad. I think "Man, how can they NOT change? I couldn't stop changing
> if I wanted to!"
I think I am probably referring to what I judge to be spirituality
rather than maturity in the way we think of it normally. Kind of a
lateral thing. I am quite good with lateral thinking.
> >P: Christ is serious.
>
> A: I read a book once, called "The Humor of Jesus." Got it around here
> somewhere...
Yea, I don't mean serious as in unhappy or pessimistic. Anyway, I'm
not jesus.
> >P: I knew a Libran woman at work who had a
> >beautiful democratic approach, could see things from both sides, and
> >she seemed to often be saying that she couldn't do things right and
> >that she wasn't important. I found that beautiful.
>
> A:I have two Libran sisters... They can put on quite an act. Love 'em
> dearly, but "the truth is not in them," as they say... She was exhibiting
> an illusion of fairness in order to be liked. And it worked, didn't it? :)
> You fell for it hook, line, sinker, and a copy of "Angling Times."
:-) I notice that the other side of librans is that they are very
self-indulgent. I saw this in her too, which was a bit dissapointing.
> A: Arrogance does not spring from true confidence. It is a false front to
> protect one from other's knowledge of how worthless one truely feels
> oneself to be.
And yet arrogant people to me look like they have more worthyness
than I do.
> >P: I often tell people not to make assumptions. This is probably because
> >I don't usually tell people much about what I'm doing. Kind of
> >minimalist again, a bit vague actually.
>
> A: And when you're vague, people will often fill in the blanks with pieces
> of themselves. Like I did. Is that what you want them to do?
Not really. I also kind of sit and watch and do nothing when bad
things are happening. As if I choose that I don't want to change it.
> >P: North of what?
>
> Northern U.S. I was confining racism to North America. Either nice of me or
> obnoxiously U.S.-centric of me :)
:) I'm in the UK myself. Southern.
--
Paul.
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:00:28 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pleasure (more stuff again)
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Paul:
>I don't entirely recall having given out a physical description of
>myself? I know I've gone to some depth about how I feel and what my
>views of stuff are, but have I disclosed something else without
>realising it? What do you think I look like?
Amckeon:
You said your father was half Jamaican which would probably give you a nice
skin tone and that your eyebrows were dark but your hair was light. You
also said that you had a "slight" build. It is not a complete picture, but
enough detail to begin to form one.
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:11:20 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>, <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Directions... (Ed)
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> Dear Lobbie,
> I've been boiling some water, so WATCH OUT....
Ya going to make me cyber- tea?
or have me for tea . . .
Yikes.
> The nature of the path doesn't matter as much as whether it is a path
> toward clowns or toward Truth. A clown path toward Truth is okay.
No such thing. If you want Truth you will have to stop clowning. You can follow a 'clown path' in a sincere way. Eventually the mask will drop and the sincerity remain.
> Nobody interested in another's spiritual development encourages
> avoidance of any type. Please be aware of avoidance.
Really?
Dear Friends - do not avoid folly. Do not avoid charlatan gurus. Do not avoid cults. Do not avoid cluttered thinking. Shall I go on . . .
or shall we avoid further nonsense?
> >At the same time the genuine attributes are revealed, reinforced and
> >enhanced in order to further real progress.
>
>
> At the same time as AWARENESS is encouraged, not avoidance. I don't know
> what you mean by "genuine attributes." Sometimes, I swear, Ed, you are
> using your literary skills only to hypnotize your readers and contain
> them within your fold, such as it is. It is the oldest trick of the
> Guru. Be complex, charming, abstruce, contradictory, and utter it all so
> beautifully and calmly, and the masses will flock to you. You have
> become what you criticize.
You are right genuine attributes are not always knowable. Hypnotise? Then wake up to your sleep. I have always been what I criticize.
Genuine atttributes always exist and people always know what they mean. Except the clown who needs to be told it is 'behind you'. He can't see it. All pretence.
Do you think you are displaying genuine attributes? I guess you best avoid that question - not knowing what it means - only you can't. because:
1. Avoidance is not encouraged
2. You are hypnotised.
> There are no "Genuine attributes." Of what? Just turn within to I AM.
> There's nothing fancy about it. No genuine attributes.
Turn within to 'I AM'. Sounds good and when a genuine attribute it is good - otherwise it is just words said often enough it may even become real.
> "Everything confuses the TRUTH seeker." When Truth is found, there is
> clarity. Prior to that there is confusion. The clown seeker is having a
> great time! There is lots of security in masses of people adhering to
> the same lie.
>
>
> Jerry (back to steering the universe through the Absolute)
Ed
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:57:06 -0600 (CST)
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Subject: Re: Directions... (Ed)
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On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Ed Jason wrote:
> > The nature of the path doesn't matter as much as whether it is a path
> > toward clowns or toward Truth. A clown path toward Truth is okay.
>
> No such thing. If you want Truth you will have to stop clowning. You can follow a 'clown path' in a sincere way. Eventually the mask will drop and the sincerity remain.
was it Merton or Milton who said "the fool who persists in his
folly will become wise"? your dialogue brought that quote to mind, i
remember that every time somebody makes me feel marginal or silly, which
happens often enough. i am like the trickster, travelling about, getting
into trouble, getting out of trouble, just doing the best i can. very
often the sincerest gestures come from clowns. though they may wear a
mask, a good clown is honest and unpretensious in his folly. clowns bring
joy, and joy is the Truth that in which i am interested.
Colin
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:03:05 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: You Glo Girl (Was Re: Directions...Ed/Jerry)
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Gloria Lee wrote:
> OK...a serious question arises here for me...regarding the variety of
> paths...there is a long tradition of "many seek, few find"..the way is
> narrow, etc..
What is a path, anyway? It is that which brings you to awareness. Great
earnestness brings the seeker to an understanding of awareness.
In the sense that the "circus of life" has many distractions,
> detours, and dead-ends, Ed is correct about the "lack of progress"...at
> worst, people do fall into "many evils" or at best they merely waste a
> lot of time.
What is the point in seeing distractions, detours or dead ends? The
circus is meaningful. Careful and unceasing attention to every feeling,
thought, emotion, experience is the path. Pay attention to your
awareness of these. When you fail to attend to your awareness of
anything then that thing appears to be a distraction, detour, dead end.
And even a "sincere seeker driven by pure motives" (anyone
> spotted this rare creature lately??) CAN mistakenly go down a "wrong
> path" or gratefully profit from a wake-up call delivered by life or
> someone.
The sincere seeker is driven by her or his hunger to understand
awareness, not by any path at all. Attention is on the awareness, not
the path. Whatever the sincere seeker attends to is the path; hunger for
understanding of the awareness makes it so.
> Just in the sense that other people can be more or less helpful, to this
> theoretically purely-driven seeker)...Ed has a valid point to make.
> Jerry, by saying "Please Be aware of avoidance," provides an excellent
> example of "spiritual advising." You both seem 'right'... to me, just
> sorta making different points and observations.
I would never tell you to avoid anything in the realm of spiritual
growth, Gloria (other than some obvious danger). If I were asked, and I
feel I am, I would say be aware of what you encounter.
> But back to my question, as honest as I know how to be at this time,
> I am aware of being both "sincerely driven and seeking" and
> equally aware of "being full of crap"...and avoiding.. (opinions vary
> day to day on this). (Please, no wagering..)
If you are aware, aware of the sincerity and the crap, that alone is
beneficial. The awareness itself is your home. Attend to everything with
awareness. Keep being aware. Whatever anyone tells you, whatever
happens, be aware.
So taking myself both
> seriously and UNseriously..seems helpful and appropriate, depending
> on situation. So maybe if you both could say a bit more about the nature
> of this process (towards progress) Maybe I am on some "clown's path
> toward Truth"..(they say clowns are laughing on the outside to hide the
> crying on the inside)...well, I would like to hear more about how the
> path does not matter..and then what DOES MATTER???
Your true nature matters. And your sincere desire to know it. At this
stage they matter. Just hold onto pure awareness of everything you
attend to while living your life.
> Maybe any religion (or no religion) is as good as any other..I am not
> asking that sort of question..as in "here, try a little Buddhism..its
> good for your ego problem"...but how unique and individual does any
> spiritual advice need to be?? Its easy to say "just turn within"...
As I see it, and some will see it otherwise, it begins from the point of
deepest understanding and intuition. If your deepest intuition is that
there is a God on a throne, it begins there. If you intuit or have
experienced kundalini and tasted its offerings, it begins there. If you
have a sense of I AM, it begins there. If you think there is a shining
Guru somewhere with angel dust all around him, it begins there. It ends
within, though. It ends with awareness of awareness. At that point Grace
alone takes over.
So what is your deepest understanding or intuition?
Love,
Jerry
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:09:59 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: lobATnospamlineone.net, rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Directions... (Ed)
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Ed Jason wrote:
>
> > The nature of the path doesn't matter as much as whether it is a path
> > toward clowns or toward Truth. A clown path toward Truth is okay.
>
> No such thing. If you want Truth you will have to stop clowning. You can follow a 'clown path' in a sincere way. Eventually the mask will drop and the sincerity remain.
After Truth there is clowning. When one who is firm in Truth recognizes
another, there can be nothing but clowning. Think about it.
And prior to realization of Truth clowning should be encouraged once in
a while. In public displays I have seen that Muktatanda has clowned, Sri
Sri Ravi Shankar has clowned, Krishnamurti has clowned, and those are
just the ones that come to mind and that I have seen. I have read about
other Gurus clowning (other than Rajneesh/Osho and Master Da.)
You tell people not to clown around and what to avoid. But you're Ed,
not Dad.
> > Nobody interested in another's spiritual development encourages
> > avoidance of any type. Please be aware of avoidance.
> Really?
> Dear Friends - do not avoid folly. Do not avoid charlatan gurus. Do not avoid cults. Do not avoid cluttered thinking. Shall I go on . . .
> or shall we avoid further nonsense?
How do you avoid any of those items without being aware of what they
are?
Are you everyone's spiritual daddy? You would TELL the seeker to avoid.
Another would TEACH the seeker to be aware. There are followers for both
types of teachers, I suppose, so I shouldn't criticize as much as offer
an alternative.
> > >At the same time the genuine attributes are revealed, reinforced and
> > >enhanced in order to further real progress.
> >
> >
> > At the same time as AWARENESS is encouraged, not avoidance. I don't know
> > what you mean by "genuine attributes." Sometimes, I swear, Ed, you are
> > using your literary skills only to hypnotize your readers and contain
> > them within your fold, such as it is. It is the oldest trick of the
> > Guru. Be complex, charming, abstruce, contradictory, and utter it all so
> > beautifully and calmly, and the masses will flock to you. You have
> > become what you criticize.
> You are right genuine attributes are not always knowable. Hypnotise? Then wake up to your sleep. I have always been what I criticize.
I never said genuine attributes are not always knowable. I said there
are no genuine attributes.
> Genuine atttributes always exist and people always know what they mean. Except the clown who needs to be told it is 'behind you'. He can't see it. All pretence.
How do know that clown had not been chasing after those genuine
attributes everyone knows about, then made a turn about in consciousness
and met Truth? Now you are telling the clown to turn around again to
what is behind him? What are you, the great un-enlightener Dad of
Mankind?
> Do you think you are displaying genuine attributes? I guess you best avoid that question - not knowing what it means - only you can't. because:
>
> 1. Avoidance is not encouraged
> 2. You are hypnotised.
I am aware of the question, the insinuation, and of your declaration of
my hypnosis. Awareness itself takes my attention, not genuine
attributes. I'm sure they can be nicely listed though and given to your
spiritual children along with a nice list of what to avoid. Will there
be a quiz on this?
> > There are no "Genuine attributes." Of what? Just turn within to I AM.
> > There's nothing fancy about it. No genuine attributes.
>
> Turn within to 'I AM'. Sounds good and when a genuine attribute it is good - otherwise it is just words said often enough it may even become real.
One who is in relationship with I AM does not call I AM anything, does
not refer to it as an attribute at all. If I AM is not a genuine
attribute, how can anything be?
One teacher would offer lists of what to be and what to avoid. Another
would encourage awareness. The seeker would most likely spend time in
each camp and learn from both, the strict Dad and the liberated Uncle,
the two clowns.
Jerry
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:32:27 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>, <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Cc: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Directions...Ed/Jerry
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> But back to my question, as honest as I know how to be at this time,
> I am aware of being both "sincerely driven and seeking" and
> equally aware of "being full of crap"...and avoiding.. (opinions vary
> day to day on this). (Please, no wagering..) So taking myself both
> seriously and UNseriously..seems helpful and appropriate, depending
> on situation. So maybe if you both could say a bit more about the nature
> of this process (towards progress) Maybe I am on some "clown's path
> toward Truth"..(they say clowns are laughing on the outside to hide the
> crying on the inside)...well, I would like to hear more about how the
> path does not matter..and then what DOES MATTER???
> Maybe any religion (or no religion) is as good as any other..I am not
> asking that sort of question..as in "here, try a little Buddhism..its
> good for your ego problem"...but how unique and individual does any
> spiritual advice need to be?? Its easy to say "just turn within"...
> but you know what's IN THERE!!!
What do you want to hear? You either sort out and face what is in there or you remain a clown.
Ed
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: lobATnospamlineone.net, Kundalini list <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
Subject: Re: Directions... (Ed)
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---Ed Jason <lobATnospamlineone.net> wrote:
>
> > Very nice post, Ed! You are quite the writer indeed.
>
> Thank you. I put this down to a lack of kundalini activation.
You arrogant fool! ;))
Ed, answering questions re: "progress":
> People talk about the many paths to God or Truth. I have never found
this true. There are many circuses, there is only one path and it
becomes more narrow. The path is to become the object of the search.
In other words to allow the attributes we are trying to find to the
fore.
Well stated. There is essentially One "path" - any divisions are
diversionary, perhaps 'circuses' as you say. The direct path is
not a "path" at all. It is simply *becoming* the attributes.
There is indeed only one form of Progress universal to all supposed
paths. Progress is Becoming. (however ugly it may sometimes appear...)
> > > Genuine spirituality is based on effective service and
> > > transformation of the individual.
> >
> > I'll admit that I also have this bias. Are there other
> > 'genuine' paths?
>
> The genuine is the path.
Precisely. The accruing of genuine attributes of the universal Self
is at the heart the only path.
> Yes. People by their inclinations define the nature of the path. They
> produce circus training for future clowns. They are happy to do so.
> The people interested in genuine development discover that the
> effective individual exists already in their environment and
> encourages them to avoid their tendencies to prefer circus
> entertainment. At the same time the genuine attributes are revealed,
> reinforced and enhanced in order to further real progress.
> 'Spiritual' seekers are very few and far between. Experts, realised
> individuals, 'k' activated holiness's and mad lobsters are the noisy
> majority. Nothing can stop the sincere seeker after truth. Everything
> confuses the clown seeker.
Very much so. Due to the nature of human limitation, which tends
to create barriers to recognition and direct expression of the
infinite attributes of the Self, people scheme ways around these
barriers, diverting them from direct expression and creating more
structures to navigate. A circus. Many of these indirect methods
have proven value to the degree that they may cause one to stumble
across the genuine attributes sought. All such seekers are "clowning"
to the extent that we've failed to realize a direct connection to
the Source, i.e. Everything, from which we may pluck our desired
attributes with abandon.
Thanks again Ed.
Abandoning the circus, but still clowning impatiently. -rik
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 07:02:47 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
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Subject: The Guest and the Host
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I came to feed on Thee, but Thou hast fed on me; now I am peaceful, O
Arunachala.
- Marital Garland of Letters, v. 28
My poem "For the Goddess of Love Supreme: The Call of a Mystic" is in part
based on these hymns written by Ramana Maharshi. ------------ Harsha
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/poetry.html
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:55:50 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Context
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> > No such thing. If you want Truth you will have to stop clowning. You can follow a 'clown path' in a sincere way. Eventually the mask will drop and the sincerity remain.
>
> was it Merton or Milton who said "the fool who persists in his
> folly will become wise"? your dialogue brought that quote to mind, i
> remember that every time somebody makes me feel marginal or silly, which
> happens often enough. i am like the trickster, travelling about, getting
> into trouble, getting out of trouble, just doing the best i can. very
> often the sincerest gestures come from clowns. though they may wear a
> mask, a good clown is honest and unpretensious in his folly. clowns bring
> joy, and joy is the Truth that in which i am interested.
> Colin
What will the fool become wise to - the naure of his own folly of course. It does not mean 'act and be stupid and eventually you will become wise'. Or maybe like the trickster you are, you think it can mean this . . .
We are *all marginal and silly* - most of the time. That is our human behaviour. 'Many a true word is said in jest', 'out of the mouths of babes' etc. That does not mean we should always be telling jokes or trying to become babies. It means that wisdom is available from may sources and in many situations.
You may be interested in joy - don't be tricked into believing it is the Truth - but then that may just be a trick . . .
a fool persisting in folly
Lobster
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 09:42:08 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: really well, better than ever
Message-Id: <199804261241.NAA19294ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
Some of you may remember my asking for healing for my cousin Steve Swiszczowski who *had* (God Willing) cancer.
Part of his (very positve - it was like a ray of sunshine) message:
> I'm really well, better than ever, mentally and spiritually.
Thanks are due. Please keep him in your rememberances. Also be aware of Kristin and others on this list (including myself) who are in difficulties at the moment. Your good thoughts, prayers and other efforts are always welcome.
BE WELL
Lobster (with many thanks)
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