1998/04/25 17:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #333
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 333
Today's Topics:
RE: Nadis and their location [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: gets more curious [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Off Topic: Fun with telemarketers [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Power! [ "loba kola" <lobakolaATnospamcsrlink.net> ]
Re: Insomnia and Time (Trystan) [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Insomnia and Time (Angela) [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: gets more curious [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: I am Semen (was I am Cement) [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Insomnia and Time (Trystan) [ hall12cATnospamMEENA.CC.UREGINA.CA ]
Re: Pleasure (more stuff) [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Revelling [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Revelling [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Insomnia and Time (Angela) [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Insomnia and Time (hall12c) [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:43:15 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Joseph Miller'" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: Nadis and their location
Message-ID: <01BD7047.B7FF4230.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Miller [SMTP:joemillerATnospamhotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 24, 1998 8:31 PM
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Joe says:
After looking around my very disorganized library I took the easy way
out. My teacher/Kundalini Master is visiting the U.S. from India for a
few months and is staying ~2 miles from my house. I needed to talk to
him about another matter so I took advantage to add these questions to
mine when we met yesterday.
KK: Could you tell us who your teacher is?
The best source for the information on Susumna and its contained nadis
is in Satchakranirupana (pronounced more or less:
Sot-chakra-near-u-pana). The best/only translation he knows about
(though he warns not always completely accurate) available in English is
"Serpent Power" by Sir John Woodroffe (also known as Arthur Avalon). My
copy was published by Ganesh & Co., it doesn't have an ISBN, which can
be explained by the fact I picked it up in Delhi and it wasn't intended
for export. It can be found in the U.S., I've seen it, but not at Barnes
& Noble, at least not everyday. This is the book with the great drawings
of the chakras.
<snip>
Woodroffe does place Vajra inside Susumna (for at least part of the
distance) but I have been assured that is wrong. Since the original
text, in Sanskrit, is, I am told, the best source on this and this is
the only English version I know of I can't present you with anything in
writing that either of us can read to prove my point. I personally trust
my teacher, who supported himself as a Sanskrit teacher in Rishikesh for
over 20 years, has been practicing Yoga for over 60 years, and has been
a Saraswati monk for almost 50 years, the last 20 or so working mostly
on people with problem Kundalini risings, over Woodroffe but those who
disagree about Vajra's location may not. Conclusion: we'll disagree.
KK: Since your teacher is just down the block now perhaps you could ask him
to explain a bit why he thinks that 1) vajra is not in the sushumna and 2)
why he (I presume it is he) think that it does not extend the full length
of the sushumna, as you mentioned earlier. It is not Woodroffe that we are
debating about here it is the meaning of the text. You can read the
Sanskrit if you prefer.
Su.sumnaa madhya deshetu vajraakhyaanaadi cai shubha (.s is retroflex sha)
Quoted in Devatma Shakti p 61
The depiction that Woodroffe translates is consistent with many other
sources. Swami Shivom Tirth personally explained to me the relative
placement of the three nadis in this way.But I don't think that the issue
is who is right or wrong. All of these terms are just names that yogis give
to their experiences. The interesting question is how did your teacher come
to name these nadis in this way. If he relies on Sat cakra nirupana then
precisely how does he translate the relevant verses. What in his experience
has led him to make this distinction. All that would be great stuff to
hear. OK?
Kind Regards,
KUrt
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:52:38 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: gets more curious
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Harsha: In order to ask the obvious questions, one must have experience,
sincerity and a genuine longing for the Truth. That is what gives the
confidence to be straight forward and come right to the point.
tg: Butting in here, (and quite in agreement with you) to see the Truth
requires vigilance, focus, and desire to know the Truth, the whole Truth and
nothing but the Truth (so.... Help Me God!). If you are on the path to Truth,
you can get there slowly or immediately, depending on your desire, your time
spent seeking, your willingness to realize nothing but the Truth -- to deny
all else until perfect clarity and Truth comes. Truth cannot be denied if
genuinely sought after - it is who we are.
The Truth, when once opened up to you in perfect clarity, is often more
simple, more beautiful than could ever be imagined. What you imagined prior
to be true is often what you think you have to be, or have to do, or have to
see. Letting go of these beliefs of what you think the Truth might be and
surrendering them is a major step in the right direction.
Truth is not sought after when there are no questions, no decisions to be
made, no confusion, pain,or despair in life. We seek Truth to set us free, to
be in perfect clarity, to know what is real and what is unreal. Once
realized, comes the knowledge that the Truth is always there, waiting to be
known once again during any moment of forgetfulness, if you so choose.
Pretty darn kewl, this Truth thing.
xxxtg
* I love my dust -- It shows I had something better to do *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:32:00 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Off Topic: Fun with telemarketers
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>(No offense to telemarketers on the list!) Here's useful info for the
> day. If you live in the US, keep a notepad by the phone. When Tele-
> marketers call, write the company, representative's name, and time of
> the call. As soon as you get a chance, ask "Does you comapny maintain a
> 'No-Callback' list? Would you be sure our number get put on that list?"
> Now, if they call back, that's $500 in your pocket from small-claims
> court. I've been doing this for about 6 months, and telemarketing calls
> have fallen off considerably!
>
> ~~~ Ways to Get Rid of Telemarketers ~~~
> (And expected hang times)
>
> 1. If they want to loan you money, tell them you just filed for bank-
> ruptcy and you SURE COULD USE SOME MORE MONEY! Ask, "How long can I
> keep it? Do I have to ever pay it back?" (10 seconds)
>
> 2. If they start out with, "How are you today?" start to sniffle and
> say, "I'm so glad you asked, because no one seems to care these days
> and I have all these problems, "my sciatica is acting up," "my dog
> just died," describe your recent surgery... Continue talking about
> your problems over theit sales pitch. (4 minutes)
>
> 3. If the person says he's Joe Doe from the XYZ Company, ask him to
> spell his name, then ask him to spell the company name, then ask where
> it is located, how do you spell that... (5 minutes)
>
> 4. Crying out, in well-simulated tones of pleasure and surprise,
> "Judy!!" (Assuming her name is Judy,) "Is this really you? I can't
> believe it! Judy, how have you BEEN?" This will give Judy a few
> brief moments of terror as she tries to figure out where the heck she
> could know you from. (1 minute)
>
> 5. Say, "No," over and over. Be sure to vary the sound of each no,
> and keep an even tempo even as they're trying to speak. This is the
> most fun if you can keep going until they hang up. (3 seconds if they
> know the Federal "3-No's" law, 2 minutes otherwise)
>
> 6. If MCI calls trying to get you to sign up with their Family and
> Friends plan, reply, in as sinister a voice as you can muster, "I
> don't have any friends...would you be my friend?" (15 seconds)
>
> 7. If they clean rugs: "Can you get blood out, you can? Well, how
> about goat blood or HUMAN blood - chicken blood too?" (8 seconds)
>
> 8. Let the person go through their spiel, providing minimal feedback
> in the form of an occasional "Uh-huh, really, or, "That's fascina-
> ting." Finally, when they ask you to buy, ask them to marry you. When
> they get back to the sales, just tell them you couldn't give your
> credit card number to someone who's a complete stranger. (6 minutes)
>
> 9. Tell them you work for the same company they work for. Example:
> Telemarketer: "This is Bill from Watertronics." You: "Watertronics!!
> Hey I work for them too. Where are you calling from?" Telemarketer:
> "Uh, Dallas, Texas." You: "Great, they have a group there too? How's
> business/the weather?" (2 minutes)
>
> 10. Tell the Telemarketer you are busy and if they will give you their
> phone number you will call them back. If they say they are not
> allowed to give out their number, then ask them for their home number
> and tell them you will call them at home. If the person says, "Well,
> I don't really want to get a call at home," say, "Ya! I know HOW YOU
> FEEL!" (smiling, of course...) (1 minute)
>
> 11. When they ask for a specific person, get choked up, then tell them
> he/she just died and hang up sobbing. (12 seconds)
>
> - As told by laughalot-ownerATnospamgraceweb.org
>
amckeon
(Who gets a bit pi**ed at telemarketers who call when she's online!)
P.S.
I bought this play phone from Walmart for $3.49. It has four different
buttons on it that have a male voice saying:
"Hello, who's calling?"
"Operator, may I help you?"
"One moment, please?"
"Okay, bye bye"
I hold it up to the real phone and push the buttons. These can be used in
different combinations over and over until the telemarketer hangs up. I
usually have to put a hand over my mouth to keep from laughing loud enough
so they can hear. Quite a hoot.
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:34:21 -0400
From: "loba kola" <lobakolaATnospamcsrlink.net>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Power!
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paul, re: yr thoughts of isolating sound from vision: when i listen to
music, or different peoples voices, or birds or wind, i 'see' colors. not
physically, but in my head (boy it is appearing more and more scarey in
there.... :) and not just colors, but textures, or opacities to clearness.
an example, a friend of mine has parents who shared a car. the mother
listened to mozart, the father to beethoven. when we would get in the car,
the music would instantly come on and instantly id get color or texture
patterns in my head. mozart was either dark swirly blues over some kind of
base that i cant figure out yet or very sparkly tingley light yellows like
sparks but not so harsh in light quality, more suffused and twinkley as a
base and i cant figure out the top! and beethoven was dark orangey brown
thickness with orangey points and hollows beside and under it. different
styles of music give me colors and patterns as well. some music is sharp
and steeley and some is like a motorcycle tire skidding out against ones
skin. some is color-hypnotic in pattern and some is bubble gum suffocating
glop which is pretty familiar for many people i think. i once kicked around
the idea of writing something (fiction) of being somehow trapped on the
plane that music vibrations exist and the experiences therein. the idea had
me thinking of gangs of people who had lost sanity or were under influence
of drugs (a couple of ways i think that 'portals' open up), or who were sent
there for whatever reason and learned to adapt to or locate, or flee from,
the different texture and color music entities that would either attack,
remain aloof to, or just lie in wait for them. hehehee keeping it
short.... :)
loba kola
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:58:23 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Insomnia and Time (Trystan)
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Trystan commented:
>I'm so glad James brought up "extreme energy and insomnia" that's been a HUGE
>characteristic for me.....
>
>I'm very curious about others who have experienced insomnia tied in with a
>different perception of time.......
>
>any takers out there???
>
Fer shure. Sometimes I have to force myself to go to bed at 4 a.m. Other
times I droop at 10 p.m. Usually I want to sleep until at least 11 a.m. but
sometimes I awake at 6:30 a.m. and feel the need to stay up. Sometimes I go
to bed at 10 p.m. but awake at 3 a.m. and have to read for an hour and a
half before I can get back to sleep.
Time is slippery. Goes uniformly too fast for me these days. I often need
caffeine just to approach the speed. I marvel at people who have trouble
filling their hours each day. At any moment I have at least 3 things I
should be doing, and at least 3 more that I want to do. I could use 48 hour
days, actually, using only 8 of them to devote to paid work, of course. And
my house is still a disaster area.
there ya go,
amckeon
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:58:27 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Insomnia and Time (Angela)
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Angela asks:
>DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THE BIG-SMALL THING????
>
>look at a corner in the room, a cieling corner uncluttered with odly
>angled walls etc, just stare at it and eventually it feels unreal, or
>perhpas super-real...when you close your eyes and feel/know/sense/see
>something so vast and yet so tiny, the most complete of the pardoxes, like
>fractals taken to the most simple level possible and then another few
>dimensions added, does anyone see this while, actually while doing
>anything for that matter? Anyone at all?
>:)
I see a cube. Not being very patient just now though. I might try again later.
amckeon
(totally tubular)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:15:29 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
CC: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: gets more curious
Message-ID: <35426081.73976C4AATnospamgeocities.com>
What Harsha stated and as Imtgxxx so succintly explained below is what life itself
is all about. Specailly the oneliners at the bootom of Imtgxxx's postings.
They are great to remember and refer to.
Anandajyoti
Imtgxxx wrote:
> Harsha: In order to ask the obvious questions, one must have experience,
> sincerity and a genuine longing for the Truth. That is what gives the
> confidence to be straight forward and come right to the point.
>
> tg: Butting in here, (and quite in agreement with you) to see the Truth
> requires vigilance, focus, and desire to know the Truth, the whole Truth and
> nothing but the Truth (so.... Help Me God!). If you are on the path to Truth,
> you can get there slowly or immediately, depending on your desire, your time
> spent seeking, your willingness to realize nothing but the Truth -- to deny
> all else until perfect clarity and Truth comes. Truth cannot be denied if
> genuinely sought after - it is who we are.
>
> The Truth, when once opened up to you in perfect clarity, is often more
> simple, more beautiful than could ever be imagined. What you imagined prior
> to be true is often what you think you have to be, or have to do, or have to
> see. Letting go of these beliefs of what you think the Truth might be and
> surrendering them is a major step in the right direction.
>
> Truth is not sought after when there are no questions, no decisions to be
> made, no confusion, pain,or despair in life. We seek Truth to set us free, to
> be in perfect clarity, to know what is real and what is unreal. Once
> realized, comes the knowledge that the Truth is always there, waiting to be
> known once again during any moment of forgetfulness, if you so choose.
>
> Pretty darn kewl, this Truth thing.
>
> xxxtg
>
> * I love my dust -- It shows I had something better to do *
>
> http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:58:19 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I am Semen (was I am Cement)
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Shamanic Scene wrote:
>I am not cement, I am Semen and maybe not even that.
>Cement is easy to break and very hard to put together again. On the
>other hand...
One word: ew!
amckeon
(gargling with cement)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:02:32 -0600 (CST)
From: hall12cATnospamMEENA.CC.UREGINA.CA
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Insomnia and Time (Trystan)
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> I could use 48 hour
> days, actually, using only 8 of them to devote to paid work, of course. And
> my house is still a disaster area.
>
> there ya go,
> amckeon
>
all these dialogues are intriguing. i too sometimes need caffiene to
make myself function at the speed of life today. but rather than
extending the realm of time to 48 hours in the day in order to facilitate
the monotonous death of 8 hour workdays, i would prefer to eliminate work
from my life altogether so that i may experience everyday as the
realization of liberation. lets not forget that the latin word "labour"
means suffering. how can we realize the an actualized lifestyle, the life
of the mind and creativity, when we myst submit ourselves to the
humiliation of exploitation on a daily basis? working is dying.
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:13:45 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pleasure (more stuff)
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Paul wrote:
>I have a wish
>that people were more alike, like me.
Amckeon responds:
I had a waking nightmare like that once, assisted by flaring Kundalini.
Everyone was exactly like me, and all we did was agree with each other and
nod our heads and smile vacantly. It was truly horrible! Kind of cured me
of ever having that kind of a wish forever. Strangely enough, it made me
feel more alone!
But I do get where you're coming from. I still have to remind myself now
and then when I slip back into thinking that the world would be a much
better place if other people were more like me... How heinous it would be
if that were really the case. Gives me the shivers just thinking about it.
>P: A few people think I am an angel.
A: That may be because you look like one. From your physical description it
sounds to me as if you have a rather unique "look" that others my find
intriguing and attractive, as well as angelic.
>P: I don't know, but I think personality/character is very intense in other
>people. I hate being forced, forced to smile, forced to move, forced
>to be something. When people start trying to persuade me I only become
>more stubborn. I just want freedom, that's all.
A: From how you describe your boss, I wouldn't like it either. I would have
to get away from him for my own sanity. I like intensity, but only if all
parties have a choice in it. Having someone bear down on you without your
permission is not a pleasant experience. I have been on both ends of that
deal. I have felt invaded and I have seen that reaction in people I have
approached in an inappropriately intense manner. Freedom is a good.
>P: It just needed to be done, and certan techniques
>needed to be used to do it. Simply, efficient, what's all the hoo-hah
>about? I can do anything if doing it is simply a matter of fact. Just
>factual, real.
A: Most employers would be glad to have you. I am the "other sort" who have
a very difficult time with mundane tasks. It's the Attention Deficit
Disorder. Be glad you don't have it. It makes working for someone else
quite difficult. I have a hard time doing something just because someone
else says it's necessary.
>P: When it's approached with liking and disliking and all
>that it can't be done.
A: You are correct. I'm working on it :)
>P: They carry on taking me for granted. I
>don't like that. Just because I am patient doesn't mean I condone the
>things I'm being patient about.
A: I end up working with people like you all the time, and we often
misunderstand each other. I have tried of late to take the time to
compliment and appreciate my fellow coworkers so that they don't think I'm
breezing on by (on my way to something "important") and ignoring them out
of arrogance.
It is an effort. It is "small talk," but if I am to keep this job I must do
it. It frustrates me. But I am trying to see the other point of view...
Many of your coworkers may not mean to take you for granted. This could be
your projection. I am a bit of a lone wolf at work, but it is not because I
think the other people are below my notice; I just feel driven to do my own
thing. I wish they didn't take it personally. Hope this helps in maybe you
seeing the point of view of those "others" you work with.
>P: They come to me and
>tell me their little tricks and techniques for wooing women...their way of
>wooing women seems a bit selfish. That
>refer to women as `that' - "look at that" - "I like that" - "I'll have
>some of that". What is this `that' they see when they look? And this
>doesn't let women off the hook either, they have somewhat
>unaknowledged ego's.
A: Well, trying to pick up that special someone at the local pub rarely
works if what you're looking for is true love. It will get you some of
"that" but if "that" isn't what you want, why bother? Socialize in your own
way. Find a group of people you have something in common with. There's got
to be a meditation group in your area, for example. I bet they all go out
for a coffee after.
>P: I found his close-up
>burping to not be funny. He thought it was funny.
A: Of course it's not funny to the person on the receiving end. It's gross
and rude. You might want to consider changing jobs. This kind of thing 40
hours a week will wear on a person. I had to quit a very good job (in terms
of money) a couple of years ago because my boss was psychotic. And not in a
good way ;-P~
As a comparison, the schizophrenics I used to work with at the drop-in
center (a different job) were actually quite fun to be around most of the
time. :)
>P: Sometimes I wonder
>if age has anything to do with maturity whatsoever.
A: Many people mature with age. Some stay 15 years old until they die at
75. When you run into these people it can be kind of shocking, not to
mentin sad. I think "Man, how can they NOT change? I couldn't stop changing
if I wanted to!"
>P: Christ is serious.
A: I read a book once, called "The Humor of Jesus." Got it around here
somewhere...
>P: I seem to have
>this belief, this perception, that people who genuinly see things from
>other's points of view tend to play down their self esteem...
A: Here I gotta disagree. For me, it was nearly impossible to even come
close to considering other points of view until my self-esteem was enough
that I could "afford it." Before that, I needed all my energy to shore up
my false self, reinforce my *own* point of view until I felt secure in it,
etc.
>P: I knew a Libran woman at work who had a
>beautiful democratic approach, could see things from both sides, and
>she seemed to often be saying that she couldn't do things right and
>that she wasn't important. I found that beautiful.
A:I have two Libran sisters... They can put on quite an act. Love 'em
dearly, but "the truth is not in them," as they say... She was exhibiting
an illusion of fairness in order to be liked. And it worked, didn't it? :)
You fell for it hook, line, sinker, and a copy of "Angling Times."
>P: I can't really imagine people in
>heaven being the kind of people who are really overconfident to the
>point of arrogancy.
A: Arrogance does not spring from true confidence. It is a false front to
protect one from other's knowledge of how worthless one truely feels
oneself to be.
>P: I often tell people not to make assumptions. This is probably because
>I don't usually tell people much about what I'm doing. Kind of
>minimalist again, a bit vague actually.
A: And when you're vague, people will often fill in the blanks with pieces
of themselves. Like I did. Is that what you want them to do?
>P: North of what?
Northern U.S. I was confining racism to North America. Either nice of me or
obnoxiously U.S.-centric of me :)
amckeon
(stepping away from the computer soon, really, I swear...)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:33:06 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Revelling
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Paul:
> a stranger might come up to me and be wearing certain clothes
that they may have chosen over a long period of time, there will be
great age and experience in their face, their whole personality will
have `the past' inside it, and yet it all comes here to stand in front
of me all at once.<snip> So IMO everyone else is more
confident than I am due to the simple fact that they know their
choices better than I do. But I have been learning that choice is an
illusion, it is a selfish thing, an exclusive thing. So if we are to
have oneness there should not be this choice, surely?<snip> I often feel
the world would be a hell of a lot more like
heaven if people were more alike - didn't have so many personal
choices that other people wouldn't necessarily choose. I envisage a
heaven where everyone is alike.
<snip>
As I started to say above. It is simply a matter for there being a
place for everything and everything in its place. _ORDER_.
Amckeon: Have you ever thought of joining the military?
Paul: Let's say that heaven is the ability to see a pot plant at night with
the light on.
Amckeon: Um...er... never mind...
Smile at this only if you want to,
amckeon
Date: 26 Apr 98 01:11:49 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Revelling
Message-Id: <354289D5.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> <snip>
> As I started to say above. It is simply a matter for there being a
> place for everything and everything in its place. _ORDER_.
>
> Amckeon: Have you ever thought of joining the military?
No. I have always felt that i rejected that kind of an angle, that it
was too brutal and physical. Maybe I was unconscious of my closenss to
it. I dunno. When I say order I mean devine order, not a system of
rules and regulations and controls. I think there is a place for
everything by gods design without any need for segmentation.
> Paul: Let's say that heaven is the ability to see a pot plant at night with
> the light on.
>
> Amckeon: Um...er... never mind...
>
> Smile at this only if you want to,
> amckeon
Just happened I had a potplant nearby, okay!! ;)
--
Paul.
Date: 26 Apr 98 01:09:29 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Insomnia and Time (Angela)
Message-Id: <35428949.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> >DOES ANYONE KNOW ABOUT THE BIG-SMALL THING????
When I was much much younger in my dreams I would sometimes have this
real wierd feeling. I would be up the side of my grandparents house
which was the wall of the house on one side and a brick wall on the
other. I would then put one hand on each wall and push. It would be
like I was both growing and shrinking. It was almost unpleasant.
A year or so ago one night I was very relaxed and was quite happy and
peaceful, and was imagining myself being in love with jesus, and my
body decided to go to sleep. This was something I'd been trying for
ages to do deliberately. But as it went to sleep there was a shift in
spaciousness. I felt like I expanded at the same time as shrinking. It
is said that the astral body expands to absorb astral energy to
recharge during sleep. Strange thing was I felt really small, like a
great distance from every part of my body/shell, more than was
feasible in the physical world.
Also that feeling I had in early dreams where I would experience a
tremendous smallness, that happened in waking life once. It was a bit
scary.
--
Paul.
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 19:38:38 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Insomnia and Time (hall12c)
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hall12c wrote:
>lets not forget that the latin word "labour"
>means suffering. how can we realize the an actualized lifestyle, the life
>of the mind and creativity, when we myst submit ourselves to the
>humiliation of exploitation on a daily basis? working is dying.
You're preaching to the choir, here. I agree totally. After a minimum of
retirement investment (enough to keep me in chewing gum after 75) I plan to
get the hell out of the ratrace ASAP. Ratraces are okay, if you're a rat.
with ya there buddy,
amckeon
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