1998/04/24 18:36
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #329
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 329
Today's Topics:
Re: curious [ "Cynthia Selene" <djebelATnospamcamalott.c ]
Re: I am Semen (or Cement, whatever) [ Shamanic Scene <shamanicsceneATnospamyahoo ]
More poetry [ npoitouATnospamearthlink.net (Nancy Poitou ]
Re: more tests for enlightenment (Je [ Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com> ]
Re: Turning the Other Cheek..... was [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: A Letter from God [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Pleasure (and an enlightenment t [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
scream in my head [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: No traits for n-lit-n-mint exist [ Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucal ]
Insomnia and Time [ Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:34:48 -0500
From: "Cynthia Selene" <djebelATnospamcamalott.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: curious
Message-Id: <199804242210.RAA16838ATnospamcamalott.com>
Much wonderful stuff snipped....
>
> So, we, in India, have a saying, that if you do not hurt anyone, fine,
> but you can show your fangs to prevent someone else from hurting you
> unnecessarily.
>
I loved the Buddha story, BTW, and the above saying reminds me of the
Wiccan Rede by which I live. Paraphrasing here from a much longer text:
"These eight words the Wiccan Rede fulfill, 'An it harm none, do as ye
will.'"
I am in a teaching coven, and we have had much discussion on the Rede. The
none in the above includes self...but the Wiccan Rede does allow for
protection of self and others if threatened.
Thank you all for your wonderful discussions. I am learning *so* much. Keep
it up.
Back to lurking.
BB * Namaste,
Cynthia Selene
Jai Maa!
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:21:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shamanic Scene <shamanicsceneATnospamyahoo.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I am Semen (or Cement, whatever)
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---Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/24/1998 12:30:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> shamanicsceneATnospamyahoo.com writes:
>
> << Greetings and light to the ones that don´t explain us how to
live. And
> love to the ones that explain THAT to themselves by mistakenly trying
> to tell it to us.
> >>
> Harsha: Thanks for the explanation (to yourself of course)!
Well you are so welcome. But if the explanation was to me there is
nothing to be thankful in the first place.
Oh, Harsh, you are sooo funny, little bunny honey.
Yummy!
Hi Mystress (If you read me) I love you.
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:39:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: npoitouATnospamearthlink.net (Nancy Poitou)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: More poetry
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>Here is a poem or rather it is a song about the experiences I have had
with K. I think it speaks of oneness, ego, identity and spirit, and the endless
journey
>Flight of fancy, flight of mind
>Fly through windows, windows of time, windows of time
>Mind is freedom, mind is all
>Break down barriers, tear down walls, tear down walls
>Out of mundane, out of here
>There's no holding, no holding down
>
>Only to warn you
>Don't settle for less
>Dreams like the heavens
>And heaven's no rest
>
>There's no limit, there's no stop
>Nothing chains it, it won't stop, it won't stop
>Flowing freely, follows heart
>Time no limit, now it starts, now it starts
>Travel a distance, some other place
>Tumbling backward, some other face, some other face
>
>Only to warn you Don't settle for less Dreams like the heavens
>And heaven's no rest
>
>Always another, always the same
>All joined together, never aprt, never apart
>
>Nancy Poitou, copyright 1997
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:54:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik <rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, lobATnospamlineone.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: more tests for enlightenment (Jerry)
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---Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> What is it with the tests for enlightenment? If a person has a need to
> know the qualities of the enlightened one, let's not talk a person out
> of that but rather into that.
Many people seem to like tests, so I wouldn't want to deprive them.
The 'How do I know when I or someone is enlightened?' tests are in the
same vein as the discussion of "qualities of the enlightened".
I notice below that you wisely steer away from that kind of
thinking by asking 'Why do you want to know?' and 'Who is asking?'
rather than answering the questionable question 'WHAT is enlightenment?'
I'll leave your response intact below. Thanks and best wishes. -rik
ps. Since you've kindly shared a method, I might submit that another
approach in addition to your own is to continue the same line of
questioning re: "knowing" until it obliterates the duality.
- How do I know when I or someone is enlightened?
- "How DO you know? (How would you go about answering that?)"
- It seems that an enlightened person has some attribute X
- "Given that they have that attribute X, how do you then KNOW
that that they are enlightened rather than than an 'ordinary'
person with that attribute?"
- Because in order to have X, they must have Y.
- "Ok, given that they have attributes X and Y, how do you then know
that that they are enlightened rather than than an 'ordinary'
person with those attributes? Can you think of any 'ordinary'
people like that? Are they enlightened?" and so on...
Of course, this approach may be appropriate for some, disastrous
for others, and just useless for even more. I also doubt it to be
a path to enlightenment, tho maybe to further knowledge. If a
student finds an intermediate (logical) acknowledgement of
non-duality like "oh, everyone is enlightened!" or "everyone is
ordinary!" they might be taken further around the circle by asking
"How do you KNOW everyone is enlightened (or ordinary)? Have you
checked?" Even if they think they've stumbled onto an "ultimate"
experience of non-duality, they might be corrected the same way, no?
I hope you may find this method to suit some situations, tho
personally, I admit I have found it to be more unenlightening than
anything I've ever done.
Jerry's response:
> I might start by asking, Why does the seeker want to know what those
> qualities are?
>
> Assuming the answer is that the seeker would like to be able to
> identify the enlightened one as well take steps toward becoming one,
> I would then ask, Why does the seeker wish to identify or become the
> Enlighened One?
>
> I would continue this line of questioning until no further questions
> could be asked and the seeker has given the deepest answer possible.
>
> But I wouldn't (nor could I) satisfy the seeker by directly answering
> her or his question. And I wouldn't even begin this process of asking
> Why unless I was sure the seeker was earnest about spiritual growth
> and not merely curious.
>
> It is certainly a healthy question, I would say, and a tight
> springboard for spiritual growth. But the question, like every other
> question, must be re-directed within, whether by means of the Why
> Method or the more traditional, Who is Asking The Question method.
>
> ...Jerry
> ______________
> The Why Method for Leveraging Spiritual Life
> http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/why.htm
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Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:55:29 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
CC: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Turning the Other Cheek..... was curious (ashanka)
Message-ID: <35413481.FDD947C6ATnospamgeocities.com>
Imtgxxx wrote:
> amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us writes:
>
> << Very different from the Christian "turn the other cheek", eh? >>
>
> I heard an interpretation of this recently I found interesting... To 'turn the
> other cheek' means to look at the person or situation differently, from
> another point of view... one that would bring you peace.
Anandajyoti> Or choose not to look at all.
> xxxtg <~~~ thin skinned but can now turn the other cheek
> Anandajyoti> OOPs, the skin peeled off while turning.
> * Deep down I'm pretty superficial *
Anandajyoti> Super + of + ficialThat's sound like Super Official.
>
>
organized religion.
Subject:
Re: Revelling
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From:
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To:
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paul writes:
<< I might be a bit of a control freak. I don't feel all that happy about
things no going the way I want them to. I don't like surprises much. I
rather want people to act the way I expect them to, for the least
violence and offence to me. I am an idealist. >>
This isn't an idealist -- this is co-dependence!
Anandajyoti> Just as we depend on breathing, in order to be alive.
xxxtg <~~~ takes one to know one
Anandajyoti> Takes one to No one
* Thinking the world should entertain you leads to boredom, over-sensitivity,
illness and weakness. Thinking you should entertain the world leads to bright
clothes, great hats, bumping into walls (go amckeon!), outrageousness, and
amazing grace in running for the bus *
Anandajyoti> One cannot exist without the other.
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:01:01 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A Letter from God
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amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
> Imtgxxx wrote:
>
> >My dear children (and believe Me, that's all of you)...
> <much good stuff snipped for length>
> >...the Earth has grown too small for your pervasive religious bigotries
> >and >confusion. The whole planet is connected by air travel, satellite
> >dishes, >telephones, fax machines, rock concerts, diseases, and mutual
> >needs and >concerns. Get with the program! If you really want to help Me,
> >then commit >yourselves to figuring out how to feed your hungry, clothe
> >your naked, protect >your abused, and shelter your poor. And just as
> >importantly, make your own >everyday life a shining example of kindness
> >and good humor. I've given you all >the resources you need, if only you
> >abandon your fear of each other and begin >living, loving, and laughing
> >together.
> <let's snip again like we did last summer...>
>
> AMEN. Another wonderful piece of writing by tg. Best be workin' on that
> book, girl!
>
> cheerleading,
> amckeon
Anandajyoti> The world has indeed shrunk, and will go on shrinking till
Super Nova
stage.There is no hunger,no disease, no abuse, nor any homeless, all is
illusion, a dream , a projection of the human mind.
Date: 25 Apr 98 01:54:13 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pleasure (and an enlightenment trait!)
Message-Id: <354138BD.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> >What I mean is mental intimacy, mental sympathy, something I am quite
> >good at.
>
> You are already sounding more sure of yourself than you did just a few days
> ago :)
I am also known to takes words or phrases that someone has used as a
description about me and, with belief, reuse them as if my own. I was
actually being pessimistic when I said I had mental sympathy, I do not
feel it is a particularly useful thing.
> Ok. I get what you mean now. You are not just serious, you are into intensity.
I don't know that that is true. Either it is true or TOTALLY the
opposite. My old boss at work was a Scorpio male and he was very
intense and I couldn't handle it at all. He kept coming really close
to me and asking me questions and putting pretend smiles into my face
and telling me to cheer up all the time. I didn't like that. I'm
stubborn, you see. So no I don't think I mean intensity, at least not
from /my/ viewpoint. What I mean as seriousness is, I suppose, wisdom.
It's common-sense, practicality in that I prefer to do things only
that are necessary to get a job done, sort of a professionalism, a
sort of maturity. Serious in that I mean it but not with any real
/power/ or intensity to /enforce/ that seriousness. Honesty.
Sensitivity. A good sense of justice. I am not highly strung, I
actually find it hard to get worked up in the way that other people do
- physically, with outward emotions and effects on behaviour and
outwards violence. I'm not like that. I don't see how other people
find things like nightclubs and pubs interesting, what the attraction
is. I am, I suppose, down to earth but by that I don't mean that I
have a highly sociable personality. I feel very responsible. Not an
educated rule-governed responsibility but a simple clarity of mind, a
feeling that I know what is right. I find many people to be childish
and immature. Sometimes if I am not being too affected by other people
I view them as spiritually immature. Maybe that is ego, maybe not.
It's an observation, not a commentary. I would be likely to take
seriously another person's misfortune. If lots of people were taking
the piss and someone was being upset a little I would notice and feel
sympathetic towards them. I have trouble getting angry or being
against enemies. I remember when the family had an enemy and even in
the middle of their hatred I wouldn't have minded smiling at this
geezer. I am forgiving, perhaps too forgiving. Forgiving and loyal
until its a fault. I just feel generally serious about things. I'm not
a real outward sort of a person so I don't express seriousness as
such, nor do I know if it can be expressed!. I'm not necessarily
brilliantly minded but I can be patient and end up sticking with
something way past where other people manage to, which too seems to be
a fault. I'm not terribly into fun, it seems to be too highly strung.
I don't mind wit or finding something funny myself but I hate the
feeling that something is supposed to be so funny that I have to be
blurting out laughs and smiling and all that. I can't see what all the
fuss is about. I am sure this seems boring to other people. I just
want things to be simple and I am deadly serious about that and I will
not assert that this is the case. Maybe I'm goal-oriented. I just feel
that I don't want all the inbetween razamatazz. I get kinda bored with
it, like it takes too long, that it is extraneous. I wish people would
just get to the point and stop taking so long. Truth should be
observed with the briefest glance. I like things to be settled, sorted
out, finished with. The whole hoo-hah of life and its `enjoyment'
seems, I dunno, sort of unnecessary. Minimalist or realist perhaps.
Just ploughing on, forging ahead, slowly and steadily. Endurance is
what I seem to be all about. A nice simple long smooth life, none of
these ups and downs, nice and slow, not much baggage, not much
distraction. None of the dangers of social life. I don't feel
comfortable with people who are running hot and cold, they stretch me
all over the place. I wish people were more predictable in the way
that long-standing wisdom is predictable, that is has one voice, one
way. People have so many differences, looks to me like conflict and
seperation. Just, simple, long-lasting, undeterred seriousness, what
you need for endurance. I'm just simple, real simple to the extent
that it probably appears to other people that I'm `not all there'. A
few grapes short of a nice summer treat. I'm kind of joyous, but at
the same time serious. The name Paul means `little' and I think that
fits with me. I'm not short but I feel sort of naked. I have a wish
that people were more alike, like me. Maybe that would be egotistical
if I were a particularly selfish person but maybe if I am selfless it
is simply a vision of heaven. A few people think I am an angel. I
don't know, but I think personality/character is very intense in other
people. I hate being forced, forced to smile, forced to move, forced
to be something. When people start trying to persuade me I only become
more stubborn. I just want freedom, that's all.
Not long ago in a copy of the Daily Mail newspaper was an article
about some paedophiles (sp) that were being released. You might have
read or heard about it. They had an account of what some of the men
did to one boy. I read it. Utterly evil it was. Made me very unhappy.
Found it hard to shift the image of it from my mind. Kind of a fine
line between being serious and being pessimistic though. People say I
have little confidence, but there are things I am able to do which
they cannot. They are confident in being up and down and all over the
place but they seem to have no ability to do things which require
simple practical wisdom. And that's something they capitalise on with
me - beacause I wont moan or whinge or display any real kind of
dissaproval about a `messy' job they will more likely ask me to do it
in future. I don't like that. I never said I condoned it or enjoyed
it. Hmm. Anyway. It just needed to be done, and certan techniques
needed to be used to do it. Simply, efficient, what's all the hoo-hah
about? I can do anything if doing it is simply a matter of fact. Just
factual, real. When it's approached with liking and disliking and all
that it can't be done. Feels like a sacrifice though sometimes. I can
do anything whatsoever with a constructive and practical attitude, and
it is in that way that I am serious. There are serious people who are
not balanced people and their seriousness is intensity, like anger,
like it can be conveyed. I cannot convey myself easily. I don't think
truth can be conveyed either. And because I cannot convey it people
don't really find out my real attitude towards the thing, and I
probably wont tell them, so they carry on taking me for granted. I
don't like that. Just because I am patient doesn't mean I condone the
things I'm being patient about. People don't learn though, there is no
substance, nothing being conveyed, nothing to teach, no lessons. And
people come to me and say that I should get out more. Out feels like
unnecessary conveyance. Simple, that's all I want. They come to me and
tell me their little tricks and techniques for wooing women. They
think I couldn't do it, or that I don't know how, just because I look
and act innocent - something which incidentally troubles me sometimes
because I don't feel like I am physically mature for my age or
something. But their way of wooing women seems a bit selfish. That
refer to women as `that' - "look at that" - "I like that" - "I'll have
some of that". What is this `that' they see when they look? And this
doesn't let women off the hook either, they have somewhat
unaknowledged ego's. And that thing that was reported in the
newspaper, that's not funny, EVER.
Not many weeks ago at work, when I was still AT work putting up with
being taken for granted, my boss kept burping at me. I thought it was
really childish. But when I observe this I don't feel above him.
Rather I feel lower. Maybe I choose to. Anyway, I found his close-up
burping to not be funny. He thought it was funny. He thought I thought
it was funny because I would force a smile to try not to let on what I
observed. But one day I wasn't too happy and he burped at me and I
didn't smile, so he said I should cheer up, and I told him it wasn't
funny. He called me a snob. I wasn't being snobby. Sometimes I wonder
if age has anything to do with maturity whatsoever. And I live kind of
in the countryside. Not real way out there but on the edges of it in a
villiage. I couldn't imagine living in a town or a city. The people
there are so into entertainment and what seem to be ever increasingly
immature relationships. What about respect and honesty and commitment
and all that? I am not sure wether these things in my are virtues or
wether they are tangible. I know that thinking they are tangible leads
to unhappyness so maybe I am just righteous and don't realise it. "He
doesn't know his own strength" people used to say. But seriously
though, I think God is serious, that Christ is serious. That he would
listen, seriously, that he would be open minded, open to all
possibilities. I think he wouldn't be the sort to express a biased
opinion about something, a selfish opinion, the way people seem to.
Being around people like that I just couldn't be myself, it would
shock them and they would get the wrong idea, like they always do, and
I don't want followers like that. I know how they misinterpret my
virtues and how they would even moreso if I revealed myself. Just
simply bloody caring, always, what's wrong with that? I seem to have
this belief, this perception, that people who genuinly see things from
other's points of view tend to play down their self esteem, beacuse it
feels like they're being too selfish. I feel like that. Just feeling
that I am not as important. I knew a Libran woman at work who had a
beautiful democratic approach, could see things from both sides, and
she seemed to often be saying that she couldn't do things right and
that she wasn't important. I found that beautiful. I could relate to
that, that kind of self sacrifice. I can't really imagine people in
heaven being the kind of people who are really overconfident to the
point of arrogancy.
> could just be something I'm feeling and if I blurt something out I'm
>uilty
> of that ASSuming thang.
I often tell people not to make assumptions. This is probably because
I don't usually tell people much about what I'm doing. Kind of
minimalist again, a bit vague actually. I like works like `hi', `yep',
`right', or just affirming noises - `mmm', shrugs of the shoulders,
etc.
I dunno, maybe I'm just trying to live as long as I can like some
marathon in which you have to pace yourself more than others.
> permeates society, even in the North. Of course my ignorance and I
North of what?
> Anyhoo, at some point there was that "click," and I remember
>thinking to
> myself "what he's really talking about is loneliness." Then he said
> something like "Most people are basically lonely." I met his eyes
>and there
> was a connection there.
Kind of an intuition thing happening there, happens to me a lot.
--
Paul.
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:07:47 -0700
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: scream in my head
Message-ID: <35413763.BD026DDAATnospamtransbay.net>
An old friend stopped by to visit today while I was napping. He woke me
up and started asking me questions:
Why do you practice? You are destroying me. Killing me, I'm a part of
you and will always be here... YES YOU CAN'T LOSE ME. YOU CAN'T HIDE
FROM ME.
Welcome back, I did not know that you were having trouble finding me.
I CAN'T LEAVE. I HAVE NO PLACE TO GO.
I didn't ask you to leave but to join me.
IN JOINING YOU I BECOME LESS THAN I WAS.
but, I become more than I was.
NEVER, NO, NO NO NO!
what do you fear?
I AM BEYOND FEAR. I AM, I EXIST. YOU CANNOT REACH ME. MEDITATE ALL
YOU WANT laughing BOY... IT WON'T HELP...
I did not realize I was meditating to destroy you. I did not realize
you were separate and afraid... Come join me relax....
NEVER... BY BEING SEPARATE I STAY... I CAN HAUNT YOU... YOUR DREAMS WILL
BE TORTURE... MY VOICE WILL ALWAYs echo in your head...
ALWAYS, ALWAYS ALWAYS....
nothing is permanent, not you not me, you may stay if you like but you
don't seem to comfortable...
AAAAGHHHHHH I WAS PERFECTLY HAPPY BEFORE. I WILL BE HAPPY AGAIN.
fleeting moments of happiness won't ever be satisfying.
DOUBT, YOU SENSE MY POWER, You fear me I can feel it in you. I CAN MAKE
you hurt yourself and others.
Okay, I give up tear into me like a hungry wolf...
. . . .I'm still here....
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 19:27:23 -0600 (MDT)
From: Angela Mary Broad <ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca>
To: Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: No traits for n-lit-n-mint exist
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Hello :)
I also beleive this to be true, I've met many people who may or may not be
enlightened, there is no one thing I've found that they have in commen,
not even being drawn to them, heaven knows I'm drawn to many people who
both are and aren't depending on what's needed at the time. Here is a
metaphore though, when you go around smiling, it releases physical
hormones that make you feel (physical) joy, and since all is conected,
maybe emotional joy as well? Perhaps just like that, you emulate the
traits, however you preceive them and slowly..but seriously, I don't know.
I have an uncle who clames to be enlightened, he certanly acts that way,
but when a person needs to talk (one of us) or wants to have a real
conversation with him, he just sort of fades away, like he's hollow
inside... Interesting thoughts anyhow :)
Angie
On Thu, 23 Apr 1998, Briony123 wrote:
>
>
> Ashanka wrote:
> There is nothing in recognising the traits of an "enligtened
> person". If there were traits, then simply emulating those
> traits would make you enlightened.
>
>
> I feel inclined to accept this statement at face value...... I too believe
> there is "nothing" when it comes to creating an identity about personal
> enlightenment...
>
> When Ashanka writes IF there were traits, we could be enlightened through mere
> mimicry, I think this teacher is trying to point out the problem inherent in
> trying to define enlightenment...
>
> I am enjoying the zillions of letters I'm getting to peek at through this
> network, although their sheer volume was surprising!!! I have noticed some
> folks are publishing what appears to be written dialogues.....how is this
> possible without a chat room??? Are folks using E-Mail or flash messaging for
> this???
>
> Thanks,
>
> trystan
>
>
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 21:18:16 EDT
From: Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Insomnia and Time
Message-ID: <c8176ad.354139dbATnospamaol.com>
I'm so glad James brought up "extreme energy and insomnia" that's been a HUGE
characteristic for me.....
I'm very curious about others who have experienced insomnia tied in with a
different perception of time.......
any takers out there???
---trystan
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