1998/04/23 18:40
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #325
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 325
Today's Topics:
Peace solutions [ "Solar Lion" <gtaATnospamlanset.com> ]
Re: Revelling [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Paul's Post on Control [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: No traits for n-lit-n-mint exist [ "Solar Lion" <gtaATnospamlanset.com> ]
The Nature of Self-Realization [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
[Fwd: Need Help] [ flute <fluteATnospamtexas.net> ]
holy is relative [ Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com> ]
Reply to Paul [ Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Knee Surgery on Thursday... [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Re: Loba's Intro [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Only you [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Jerry and Glo sittin' in a tree... [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
small big thing [ trexisATnospamjuno.com ]
Some short responses to "Sadness" [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Truth and Love-Self-Realization [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: The Nature of Self-Realization [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Pleasure [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
The Past [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: curious (John) [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:02:21 -0700
From: "Solar Lion" <gtaATnospamlanset.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Peace solutions
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http://www.natural-law.org/nlpusa/
a political party based upon yogic
principle and understanding in the
united states
http://www.createpeace.com/
the Great Experiment -
This is today April 23
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:39:27 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Revelling
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Paul West:
>I think I have just had/am having a revelation. It's not me, it's not
>my fault, I am not the one that is wrong. I am not the one who doesn't
>understand or is not wise.
Jason: You're right, Paul, it's not your fault!
Paul (from another message):
>It's as though somehow I am at the root of what makes these
>people what they are. I feel like I have more power to change things,
>that asserting who I am into the world is making it change, making it
>more handleable, that I can see parts which I couldn't see before but
>which make the picture more complete.
>
>What is this power to change? What is this ability to transform the
>appearance of others and thus, I presume, the way they really are? And
>what's that illusion doing there saying that things are seperate?
>
Paul continues:
>But I am not wrong. I can change reality. I am in
>control. I have the choice. The world is going to wake up to something
>I have always known about. It must. It simply must. It will. I have to
>start asserting myself, making a change, altering the world. Because I
>can and I will because I am not wrong.
>
>!!!!!
Jason: You are not wrong! Read what you have written above again. You are
at the root of your perception of the world and people around you. You have
the power to change your perception. That is the power to change the world!
That is knowing. But as a great teacher once told me: "be gentle"...
Date: 23 Apr 98 21:37:07 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Paul's Post on Control
Message-Id: <353FB483.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> Paul Wrote:
>
> But I am not wrong. I can change reality. I am in control.
Thanks for the reply Briony123.
> Actually, this sentiment, although incredibly empowering, can lead to problems
> for a soul if held too tightly....I can speak from personal experience here!
I noticed it might become an illusion.
> Working through the whole Right/Wrong way of thinking is so tough...my heart
> goes out to Paul, and I wish him all the strength he needs to persevere....
Thanks.
> In my experience, Kundalini awakening occurs in stages, and Paul seems right
> on schedule with his struggle.
You now have my attention. This struggle is /meant/ to be happening?
>
> Hope he keeps posting,
Trying to stop me posting will be more of a challenge. ;)
>
> Trystan
>
--
Paul.
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:47:17 -0700
From: "Solar Lion" <gtaATnospamlanset.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: No traits for n-lit-n-mint exist
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>
> Ashanka wrote:
> There is nothing in recognising the traits of an "enligtened
> person". If there were traits, then simply emulating those
> traits would make you enlightened.
>
the traits are side effects of enlightenment
and very clearly recognizable.
patanjali's sutras very clearly point these out.
ref: http://www.lanset.com/gta/page2.html
also sathya sai baba's gita discusses these matters
http://www.atmapress.com/TOC.html
anyone can say they are enlightened -
but it ain't so if they don't exhibit
the characteristics.
wordiness is not a characteristic of enlightenment.
nor is the constant drawing attention to the person's
personality.
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:56:42 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Nature of Self-Realization
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The Self is not attained through discourses, nor through intellectuality, nor
through much learning. It is gained only by him who longs for It with his
whole heart. To such a one the Self reveals Its own nature.
—Mundakoponishad
Harsha: I was overwhelmed by the Beauty of this statement. That is my experience. It is the plain and the simple Truth. I bow to the Realized Sages whose lives of immaculate purity, devotion, selfless service and love reveal the flame of the Divine hidden in the Heart.
How easy it is to sing
now that gone is my voice
How easy it is to see
now that there is no choice
>From the love poetry of Harsha
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:43:15 -0500
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Sending Reiki Love and enery to Bob and his sister..see note below
ARE There any Reiki Masters in Albuquerque? Please contact me or
Bob..
Love,
flute
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Carolyn:
I called you two days ago about my sister in Albuquerque. She's waiting for
a new liver and her condition has been deteriorating. Do you have any news
about Reiki Masters in Albuquerque? I talked to my sister yesterday, and
told her that I had talked to you and that she may get a call from a Reiki
Master about therapy for her. So she has been alerted and she's interested.
Let me know if you hear about anybody.
Thanks....
Bob Morris
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:20:21 EDT
From: Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: holy is relative
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Hello fellow Kundalini-heads!
Well, here I go, my first time posting within this network, and I'm feeling
compelled to comment on such a controversial topic:
"However many holy words you read, how many you speak, what good will they do
you if you do not act upon them?"
> >These words I recently posted are *not* ascribed to Charles Manson as I
> >stated but are in fact the words of the Buddha. You can probably now see
> >how spiritual they are . . .
My reply: The concept of "holy" is completely relative to the person "reading"
the words, or "speaking" them, or "acting" upon them......
No doubt Mr. Manson would completely agree with the statement quoted above, as
would most humans who have chosen to act from their personal convictions...
One human's holy jihad is another's holocaust.... it depends entirely upon
one's point of view...(insert video of Ben Kenobi speaking to Luke Skywalker
shortly after Yoda left the corporeal world)
As I grow older, I am learning, sometimes painfully, sometimes joyfully, that
all truths are relative....the Buddhist metaphor of dharma/truth as a
diamond....with infinite facets reflecting infinite rays of light works well
here, I think...
We all resonate toward different facets at different times....caught by this
or that beam or frequency....
My question for myself is: Can I learn to accept this unnerving concept
gracefully, and can I use this concept well in this lifetime???
--trystan
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:38:43 EDT
From: Briony123 <Briony123ATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Reply to Paul
Message-ID: <79de27f1.353fd110ATnospamaol.com>
Paul:
I am no different than you.... from reading your posts I felt a similarity in
experiences....
After some of my own kundalini experiences....times when I would feel really
tuned in to the world, and extraordinarily perceptive, at times I felt very
very powerful....
I remember once I actually wondered if I had become a Buddha....
These periods passed, and I found myself still alive, living within a very
mundane and limited physical body, still struggling to create wholeness in my
life, still searching for a compassionate handle on the universe...
But I am grateful for the augmented perceptions I am left with as a result of
Shaktipat...the foresight, occasional e.s.p., and just downright "magic" that
accompanies my path now makes the journey even more interesting....even fun!!!
You asked, in your post: "You now have my attention. This struggle is /meant/
to be happening?"
Gosh--it is happening, therefore, it must be meant........ But in my
experience of the world, folks are tuning into spiritual awareness at an ever-
accelerating pace, so yes, in a larger sense than just you or I, I do believe
this struggle with ego is meant to be happening---everywhere...
Right Now.
sincerely yours,
trystan
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:56:45 -0400
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Knee Surgery on Thursday...
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>
>I plan to have an OBE while under anesthesia, & plan to visit everyone on the
>list...altho' I've only seen some of your faces on Franz's website.
>Love, Michele
Every night I plan to have one of these and if it finally happens on
Thursday, I'll meet you halfway. ;)
LOVE and HEALING :)
Am
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:00:50 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loba's Intro
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First, let me say that I thoroughly enjoyed all of your stories. They also
brought up some memories of my own.
Loba: eldest-born-of-four aquarius
Amckeon: eldest-born-of-four aquarius-rising
Loba: probably has ADD
Amckeon: me too!
Loba: my twin brother and sister
Amckeon: I am the mother of twins
Loba: he was in charge when i was in his vicinity and wouldn't let my
mother, father, uncles, cousins, no one, around me
Amckeon: My parents bought a dog for $5 from a sharecropper in South
Carolina soon after I was born. He used to sleep under my crib and growl at
anyone he didn't know who tried to come near me.
Loba: I wanted to be a horse
Amckeon: My stepdaughter wanted to be a horse. I used to think that was
just more evidence of why she bugs me, but since I like you, I've decided I
must rethink this...
Loba: strange experiences in an old house
Amckeon: My grandparents bought an old hobby farm when I was about 9 years
old. It had been owned by two teachers who left a whole shelf of books
behind (oh, rapture!). One night I witnessed a strange entity I had never
seen before or since. It looked like swirls of white neon in a chaotic
pattern, almost like a white tornado, but not cone shaped, more oval. This
was accompanied by a buzzing sound...
Loba: I have a very strong pull to rocks...
Amckeon: Me too. At the same farm there was a nearby rockpile, and my
sisters and I would spend hours searching for "pretty rocks" like rose
quartz or agate or marble... We used to put them in our mouths too! I can
taste them even now. We also used to do this with pennies. I remember my
mother holding my youngest sister upside down by her ankles and slapping
her on the back to try and dislodge one that had gotten stuck.
Loba: I discovered later... she was involved in the edgar cayce research
Amckeon: I have read some of Cayce's material. May have had something to do
with my K arising "spontaneously..."
Loba: I can tell you which ones feel warmer or cooler or heat up with life
within faster.
Amckeon: When I was at a convention recently, someone was selling a frog
carved from rose quartz. I held it in my hand. It did not warm up. So I
didn't buy it. Saw an elephant head carved of the same material once. I
wanted it badly, "Ganesha" in pink! But couldn't bring myself to spend the
money at the time. I regret it now. But desire is a bad thing, anyway,
right? So maybe it is good that I let it go...
Love the story of your heart shaped rock. Way cool.
Loba: has a way with animals
Amckeon: Cats love me, though I am allergic to them. I am inconsistent when
it comes to animals... The dogs I've owned seem to make a break for freedom
at the first opportunity (with the exception of that first one), but the
neighbors dog is crazy about me. I did have some nice conversations with
some prairie dogs. Horses scare me, too big I guess. I loved my guinea pig,
but he died before he was full grown... A family of bunnies live in our
back yard among the pine trees, I speak to them kindly, but they are afraid
of me.
Loba: A tree saved her brother's lives.
Amckeon: There was a time when the weeping willow in my front yard was my
only friend.
Loba: I get shocks off of everything... fries alternators
Amckeon: Me too, the alternator used to be the first thing that went out on
any vehicle I owned. Not so much anymore....
Loba: Adrenaline surges triggered by sound, scents, etc.
Amckeon: Me too. Not sure what they signify for me, though. Not much of a
"Woman who runs with the Wolves" kinda gal...
Loba: Hilarious synchronicity.
Amckeon: Oh yeah. All the time. Often my husband and I will say the same
thing at the same time, so we have to say the "jinx on you..." jingle just
to be silly.
Loba: felt odd and "on the periphery" all her life
Amckeon: Yes. I used to think that it was because I was destined to become
a writer. That "observer" mode can come in handy in that profession. Not
much has come of that though, other than getting crushes on my favorite
male SciFi authors.
Loba: still not sure she's in the right place...
Amckeon: You are. Please stay.
Welcome!
amckeon
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:32:38 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Only you
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Angelique wrote:
>Well, there you have it... stop judging folks as "bad," and you'll stop
>meeting >"bad" people. Your judgments are a reflection of you, and Goddess
>wants you to >get past them, so they will keep showing up till you do.
Amckeon:
This is a painful truth. I will give an example. My mother took care of her
"bad" alcoholic mother from the time she was 16 until she was put in a
nursing home, and visited her there, as well. Lots of resentment, lots of
pain, but kept most of it in, in order to be a "good" person.
Now my father's mother is 97 (and still pretty spry!), and has been staying
with my parents for about a month. She is a dear person, but a bit messy,
which makes her "bad" too, as far as my mother is concerned, who thinks it
is her mission in life to keep the universe clean and orderly. My mother
finally lost it this week and was screaming in grammy's face. Luckily, one
of my sisters was there to divert some of the action... my father stays out
of it, conveniently.
The upshot is that although it was my grandmother that got yelled at, I
know my mother was feeling the most pain. She is having flashbacks to the
helplessness she felt as a 16 year old, and every year since. Perhaps if
she hadn't been in such denial, she would have taken her own mother to
treatment or given her an ultimatum, or... other choices she could have
made.
My mother sees herself as a victim of circumstance and "bad" people. And so
she will *be* until she changes her way of thinking. The next time she
feels overwhelmed she could decide to let my father handle it. She could
just say "Well, enough of this sh*t, I'm going shopping...." Instead she
plays the martyr. I have tried to talk to her but she becomes even more
upset, because I am not honoring her martyrdom.
There are also examples from my *own* life... but this one is the most
recent and clear cut, so I share it with you.
submitted for your perusal,
amckeon
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:51:34 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Jerry and Glo sittin' in a tree...
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I'd tell you two to get a room or take it on the road, but I am enjoying it
too much. Carry on!
voyeuristically,
amckeon
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:35:02 -0400
From: trexisATnospamjuno.com
To: ambroadATnospamacs.ucalgary.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: small big thing
Message-ID: <19980423.203932.3382.3.trexisATnospamjuno.com>
So I was reading your introduction to the k-list. Many stories told here
are like
_Chicken_Soup_for_the_Soul_ (at least to my soul) with personal anecdotes
about growths and struggles. People tell about energy fluctuations that
I have little of. People tell of spiritual revelations that I have few
of. People tell of "supernatural"
experiences of which I have almost none. People ask for and offer support
for anxieties brought about by their changing views and energetic
traumas. And the
continual discussion about "enlightenment" stays interesting with each
nuance
and quote of the age old topic. I love to hear all of this, learn
continually, and try
to offer a little advice if I think I can offer something of value. But
generally I feel
like I'm watching you kundalinites from the sidelines. Like a eunuch I
can observe
, learn, and possibly advise, but when it comes down to "business"
without the juice,
I really haven't got it going on, nor can I really share meaningfully
with the experience.
I guess it's fine and dandy. I was drawn TO the list for a reason and
can accept that
I could be here to learn to help myself or others later. But I have no
real stories to tell.
Nothing's really happening with me. Except for that small big thing.
I've been wondering about it lately. I had a recurring nightmare when I
was about three
or four. I would get up and run into the living room where my parents
were watching
Carson or something and I would be absolutely terrified crying and
screaming.
I guess it could be classified like sleepwalking because only a small
fraction of my
awareness was in the livingroom, I was mostly seeing the nightmare.
Then
quite rapidly I would "come down" out of the dream much like comming down
from
a psilocybin mushroom trip. At this point I could remember NOTHING of
the dream.
I know that there were no "people" and nothing like "earth" . The
distinguishing factor
other than my behavior allowing me to know that it was the same nightmare
was
the feeling of the small big thing. I had the dream recurr for a week
once in sixth grade and a couple times in the year following but
essentially never since. What is that small big thing? The feeling I
got from that dream was more terrifying than the
complete destruction of all existence yet resultant from some
insignificantly minor
fumble. I had no meaningful trauma as a toddler and no social abuse
until later
in childhood so it wasn't related to anything that happened in life.
Staring at a corner does nothing to me. I'd love to do a regression, but
I'm impervious
to hypnosis or anything else that would lift the "veil" from my state of
consciousness.
I have clear memories of all of my life since sometime when I was two. I
remember
dreams and silly nightmares I had even as far back as then, but for the
life of me,
I can't remember that dream, nor what that small big thing is.
What is it!
What is it!?!
Can anyone with deeper eyes or memories give me a clue?
small big thing, I damnwell knew it when I saw the words.
Edward
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Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:49:22 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Some short responses to "Sadness"
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Paul:
I have a profound ability to do what is called lying....
Me:
I have a sister with that talent. Were either of your parents alcoholic?
Lying is a symptom of being an adult child of an alcoholic. Just talkin'
program talk. Ignore if it doesn't apply...
Paul:
Whinge
Me:
Whine? Must be a British thing, I belong to a list that discusses a British
tv show, they say "whinge" alot.
Paul:
I am a serious person.
Me:
We'll soon cure you of that, me boy!
Paul:
Put other people's happiness before my own.
Me:
Don't bother. It doesn't work. The result is that neither of you becomes
happy. Dumb example.... I buy you a box of chocolates because I think you
will like them (because I do), you thank me politely so as not to hurt my
feelings (although chocolates make you gag), so I buy you chocolates for
every ocassion. Eventually you tell me to quit with the chocolates already!
I feel like a jerk. Now we both feel bad. Better to risk a little hurt now
and then... to avoid the big hurt in the long run. See my previous post
about my mother.
Paul:
...having been left behind...
Me:
we are still here
Paul:
To experience face to face that there is no way in, no solution, no answer
or result, that the problem has no key to unlock it or to change it....
Me:
Don't jump ahead of yourself. Sometimes it's best to allow oneself the
illusion that change is possible :) Take care of some of the things closer
to home before you tackle the universe... That "ideal woman" (or man) thing
for example...
Speaking for myself, If I hadn't had therapy to find out why my
relationships weren't working, I would not be here on this list blathering
on about ultimate reality, (which I am really enjoying by the by).
with kind intent,
amckeon
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:56:44 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Truth and Love-Self-Realization
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Harsha cautions:
>Live the ordinary life and don't get anyone pregnant that you are not married
>to (From the wild disco dance of enlightenment, chapter 5, page 272)
"Live an apparently ordinary life (while secretly doing weird things in
your backyard with pom poms and a water weasel)."
>From the beauteous butt dance of Amckeon-Ah-Standing-in-the-Rain, quatrain 287.
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 21:06:23 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
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Subject: Re: The Nature of Self-Realization
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Harsha1MTM wrote:
>
> The Self is not attained through discourses, nor through intellectuality, nor
> through much learning. It is gained only by him who longs for It with his
> whole heart. To such a one the Self reveals Its own nature.
> —Mundakoponishad
>
> Harsha: I was overwhelmed by the Beauty of this statement. That is my
> experience. It is the plain and the simple Truth. I bow to the Realized
> Sages whose lives of immaculate purity, devotion, selfless service and love
> reveal the flame of the Divine hidden in the Heart.
>
> How easy it is to sing
> now that gone is my voice
> How easy it is to see
> now that there is no choice
>
> >From the love poetry of Harsha
Very beautiful. The clarity is striking. More of you poetry!
In my own crazy way it is exactly what I am trying to say. So even
though I manage mediocre attempts at "discoursing," and
"intellectuality," I knock those attempts down with foolishness because
The Self is not gained through any of that discoursing or
intellectuality and I know it. I can't take any of it seriously. I don't
know how you feel about your own writings, Harsha, but from the poem
above it sounds as though you are saying the same.
I offer my own words as a key to open a door. Once the door is opened
drop the key. Throw it in the garbage. Throw me in the garbage.
True, it is only through earnestness that one will find The Self. There
is nothing to learn and nothing to remember and nowhere to go and
nothing to do, regarding spiritual realization. Just the requirement to
be very hungry to know The Self or I AM.
Did I read it here or did someone tell me: the need to find The Self
must be like the need of one whose hair is on fire to find the pond.
_________
Nondualism of Jerry Katz
http:www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
"There is no past of me. I am not a mystic. I am not one with all. I am
not living in cosmic consciousness. I am not a traditionally religious
man camping in the surrounding wilderness of mystical experience. I am
not a devotee knowing consciousness and serving the Guru inner and
outer. I AM I AM AND I AM I AM." The Wild Song of Standing Free, Ch. 3,
V.21
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:01:03 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pleasure
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Paul:
And when looking for the "ideal woman..."
Me:
Is that were the sadness is?
Paul:
I prefer immediate and total intimacy.
Me:
I have been there, done that. It ends in sorrow. You will not feel truly
loved until someone truly knows you. Immediate "intimacy" short-circuits
true knowing.
stealing Lobster's line again:
BE WELL,
amckeon
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:04:59 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: The Past
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Paul:
I understand it is common for Taureans to feel remorseful.
Me:
No, you are confusing Taureans with "Eeyore" from Winne-the-Pooh.
married to a Taurus,
amckeon
P.S. My husband gets into a blue funk now and again. He lost his first wife
and one of his children in a car wreck. But he also has a wonderful sense
of humor. We get silly together on a daily basis. Silliness cures many
ills. I recommend it highly.
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:07:47 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: curious (John)
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John:
"Jumbo Shrimp anyone?"
Me:
Yes! It will go well with the potato salad and cole slaw we munch as the
guru cries and Jerry and Glo... well, er... commune with nature... or
something.
The last time I mention it, I promise!
probably lying,
amckeon
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