1998/04/22 13:48
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #320
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 320
Today's Topics:
Re: curious [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Power! [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Delirium's guide to the universe [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: curious/ [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: S.O.S. (Slightly Off Subject) [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Re: Curious [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Saint or Sinner? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Layers of mind [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Re: curious/ [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Opinionation [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Layers of mind [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: Re: Delirium's guide to the univ [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: 22 Apr 98 18:29:31 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: curious
Message-Id: <353E370B.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
HI Sen.
> About trying to "recognise" spiritually enlightened persons,
> the problem of genuine versus fraud always exists. Spiritual
> issues are far removed from the wordly issues, so no behaviour
> could be labled as "enlightened" or "non-enlightened.". It
> is not in outward show that makes someone recognised as being
> spiritually enlightened.
I might be wrong but I believe I have an eye for illusion. It might be
that I am sensitive but the real spiritual people don't hurt me in any
way. I have big feelings and if I feel threatened or in danger I can
really tell. I can tell in the way a person looks at you, and I can
see their self-ness. I can see things from every viewpoint it seems. I
can see the difference between children who have not been brought up
properly and those who have wonderful, delightful, freedom and
acceptance.
I see selfishness as uglyness. I notice that as people degrade and
become less genuine they also lose order and wholeness, and I can see
it immediately. I can see things in people that others sometimes take
months to understand, and becauese I can see these things it takes a
very long time for my to come to trust those people because I can see
from the outset the things that do not appeal to me.
I can see lack of spirituality as a fracture or fragmentation in the
way a person is on all sorts of levels. They will use words which have
abrupt beginnings and endings, IOW swarewords. There will be venom in
their voice, hatred in their eyes. I can tell that I cannot trust them
and they make me feel uneasy. I would do whatever is wise regardless
of its appearance in order to not be inflicted upon by them. I don't
hate them, I just look at them truthfully and see the truth of the
fact that they are fragmented. I can see it in their personality, in
their character. Character is illusion.
And children are getting younger and younger before they start to
develop great evil. Children are looking more evil, unfortunately.
There are still good children here and there, joyous children, chidren
with balance and gentleness. But it just seems to me that everyone
else in the world is trying and is capable of enjoying things more
than I do. I feel serious and I feel this is incompatible with their
approaches. When confronted with a group of my people my own age I
feel somewhat younger. They seem to enjoy doing things that I think of
as wrong. And when a stranger comes up to me with their strange
character and they start to speak to me I feel so vulnerable to them,
that I reject their encroachment, and it can make my body doing
motions of physical rejection.
I do notice though that people probably move on from the past better
than what I do, they grow and evolve, there seems to be a path of
change, a development, /time/. For me there isn't so much of any of
that stuff. I have feelings of being childish or child-like and of
being the way I've always been and not liking to move on, I don't like
change as to me it indicates time and great effort and stress. I
wouldn't mind all that much if things stayed the same for quite some
duration of my life. I can't relate to the way other people approach
it.
There are other blokes who are so masculin, so male. I have never had
a problem with women at all. I always feel lots of ego pressure from
men. When I was younger other kids would sometimes mistake me for
being a girl. They couldn't tell which I was. I have read from the
great wise jiddu khrishnamurti that one of the most important parts of
being a religious man (not /of/ a religion) is to be both male and
female. I have never felt it was right to be sexist and other
people kept trying to persuade me otherwise. I cannot relate to them,
I cannot relate to their lifestyle or their attitude towards things.
And they ask so many questions, I don't /want/ to answer people's
questions really. I wish they'd just leave me be. When they ask what I
have been up to or how I have been I can only usually come up with one
vague word. It's not important to me.
I hate not being free, or things which might take away my freedom. I
don't want to have to work, long boring hours doing the same old
thing, selling, customers, being a representative of a company. I hate
it. I am, even, naieve, or gullable, because I don't feel clever about
people's jokes or `with it'. They seem so worldly and so intellectual.
I like wit, little jokes, practical jokes, immediate humour. Long
jokes are so boring. I don't like comedians much I think they're
boring. And people seem to move faster and faster, and they demand
that I do the same but I can't, I like doing things at my own speed
and in my own way, if at all. I can be really stubborn sometimes. And
I don't much like surprises, they are like chasms in the flow, like
great obstacles, great fragments, edges. That kind of a surprise is
not funny to me. I have difficulty finding those sorts of things
funny.
I seem to get sidetracked, or so it seems, by finding interest in the
littlest of things. It's kind of child-like, just observing and
wondering about some nobble on the shed roof or the colour of the
led's on my clock or the dust on a plant leaf or anything really. I
can't boom out in laughter at stuff like other people do, it's too
difficult, makes me feel pretentious. How can they find those things
so funny? It's no big deal. People seem to get so fired up about
things, and they have no empathy or understanding. They don't seem to
know what it's like, as if they have the privelege of never having
been unhappy or sensitive or an outsider. I don't like that. There is
a mass of hostility. Even old people seem a bit of a mix, some of them
are quite chirpy but most seem to be in a stereotype of tremendous
artificial security and so on. Maybe I'm not old enough to understand
them yet.
I feel that people are loud, so noisy, too much volume. The worse the
are the more they shout. I can't do that, my voice is too soft or
something. Raising my voice to a `normal' level is like shouting to me
almost, my voice seems to have no weight to it or something, no
impact. Other people have such developed voices that can be heard at
such a distance. Especially when they're shouting. And people are
rude, they conduct shut-off relationships in front of you. Like at a
bus station pershaps, nobody wants to have anything to do with people
they don't know. There's all this horrible fragmentation and what
seems like selfishness in the way they are not aware of the people
around them. And I am aware and it's kind of scary.
I don't much like the idea of pets anymore either. I have kept fish
and I do have some simple fish which are very hardy and only need
occasional maintenance, but I observe that people do not look at the
animals through the animal's eyes, with all this stupid luvvy-duvvy
comfort and wanting to have, to own. I don't think I'll be able to
own all the things that are nice. Why don't people appreciate? I have
a real need to appreciate and kind of to be appreciated. People can't
see, they can't see my feelings, yet I can see theirs. They stomp all
over me with their insensitivity. The little boy next door is turning
into a hitler at age 5, all he ever hears is his elders shouting at
him.
People are locked up in their little house boxes away from each other,
they might perchance chat over the garden hedge or fence now and then.
They value property and stuff way above people. If you throw a tennis
ball at a car the bloke will probably clobber you. Things aren't that
important, surely. Placing value on things like that invites people to
be theives. I have some nice stuff of my own but not to the extent
that I'd really mind if it all went away. And why are people shocked
when I say that I didn't really mind. Either I am a complete liar or
the truth that I tell them is just at odds with their expecations. I
never seem to be telling the truth to these people, which of us is
wrong?
If I wanted to go sit in the park or something you'd get accusational
glances from people half my age, taking the piss, shouting names and
stuff. What's driven them to such repression? It's starts at a very
early age and I don't like it. Cars, cars aren't all that bad I
suppose, they serve a purpose, but only because that purpose has been
created by people. They are the most ugly, badly designed bunch of
unnatural garbage I've seen. I would like one but I don't want one.
Utterly artificial. Suits, I hate wearing suits, overalls,
`officiality'.
As the rest of the people of the world seem to get older they seem to
indulge in things more, open themselves up to temptations. I don't
know if that's right. They seem to worldly, to have had so many
experiences of lashing out in what seems to be freedom. Being
promiscuous and night clubs and pubs and bad attitudes towards the
other sex. There is no seriousness there, no compassion. And I wonder
if this means that I am too serious and that I cannot lighten up. But
how easily those people stoop low. Why should anyone need a cigarette
or a drink to cope or to `wind down' at the end of the day. Why is
there the winding up in the first place?
Television is also something I find increasingly unspiritual, whatever
it is that I am referring to when I say `spiritual'. It holds people
attention, draws them in, makes them believe the people are human
beings when it's just a flat image on a screen. It sometimes makes me
feel really negative sitting to watch the telly. People seem to be
`inside' the whole imagery of modern day life, so `with it', so
interested in what happened in this tv show, what this actress did
when, who is in what film, going to the movies and having all this
entertainment. I cannot relate to it and somewhere in that
unrelatedness there is a sadness. For me or for them? Sadness can be
very close to compassion if you let it.
Worst thing is that if people see you are sensitive and so on they
start to treat you different. They call me a little angel or a
sweetheart or whatever, sort of small and cute and nice. They seem
to put this below themselves, like I am lacking something. Or even
they will put me on a pedestal and ask me questions, stupid social
questions like if I want to go to the pub or what music I like and so
on. I hate that. I don't think people can understand what it means to
care for another person unless they are in the position of needing to
be cared for themselves. If you give you receive so it stands to
reason doesn't it? I can't cope with the 1990's world full of all
these different people? Where is the world of christs? There's too
many people, no space, no freedom.
Why do people always try to get into things, to get worked up, to seek
thrills? I am no thrillseeker, I cannot stomach it. People are so
extravagant and I'm so boring. They /live/ lives of pleasure-seeking,
I only kind of manage to imagine it inside myself. And how many times
do you have to see something, how many times does a person have to go
through something before they are wise to it? They don't seem to go
/through/ it, they sort of accumulate it, hang on to it, make it a
part of themselves. And people are so fond of recalling memories, of
telling you something that happened and reliving it like it's
happening, and they might recount the way they shouted at someone.
That hurts my feelings. There's no excuse for it under any
circumstances. Even what people call humour seems to be kind of
demanding and selfish, insensitive. People can't see what it does to
another person's feelings. A joke can be really hurtful even if they
don't realise that they intend it. And of course it's so wrong not to
be able to take it, not to be hard, not to be tough skinned.
Just too much pressure. That surely cannot be spiritual.
--
Paul.
Date: 22 Apr 98 19:28:07 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Power!
Message-Id: <353E44C7.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
A thunder/lightening storm has just arrived here. It might cheer me
up! :-))
--
Paul.
Date: 22 Apr 98 19:25:25 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Delirium's guide to the universe...
Message-Id: <353E4425.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi Kathy.
> 1) Whatever I "have", I want something different...
>
> 2) When I "get" that different something, it's never quite as I imagined it would be...
>
> 3) If it "makes me happy" there has *got* to be something wrong with it, or with me...
>
> 4) If *somebody* "makes me happy", there has *got* to be a catch, or something wrong with that person...
>
> 5) I can only live in the present moment...but I can only *think about* the past or future...
>
> 6) Maybe if "I" get "rid" of "ME" then, just maybe, whatever is left will be truly happy...
>
> Anybody else on this not-so-merry-go-round? I know the "real" rules are much different, but keep getting caught up in this pattern...K-awakened or not. Mebbe it's just what it means to be a human...monkey mind tries to pluck the dates from the jar yet again...
I would have used precicely the same words I think.
I like to have money and I like to spend it. I like buying gifts and
having the money to spoil people with nice things they probably don't
need. I get this seemingly small urge to buy something that I might
not even have considered before and I'll just splash out a nice sum of
money and then it'll be interesting for a little while then I'll just
sort of put it to one side.
I have been having the problem of trying not to let myself feel
desires or have bad sexual attitudes.
I guess I do also feel that there is a catch to people making my
happy, that they are actually /making/ me happy rather than me
choosing it. Sometimes I'm just not in the mood.
I can only seemingly live in the present moment like I have no
history, and I can only think of the future and past.
Seem's I'm sharing a roundabout donkey with you.
--
Paul.
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:58:01 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: margolisATnospamtransbay.net, divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: curious/
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>>Susan Carlson wrote:
>What's so hard about describing the
>>> enlightened person?
>>
SNIP
When people are
>unenlightened they behave one way and when they are enlightened they
>behave another way, wouldn't you think?
>
>
>>
>>> >> So what are the traits of an enlightened person? Can we list
>them?
>>> >
Dan wrote:
>>to explain it... Listing in an intellectual manner the traits of an
>>enlightened person so that you could understand it is the equivalent
of
>>using the wrong measuring tool to try to understand an almost ethereal
>>trait.
>
>Here's where I outright disagree....traits which arise from
>enlightenment are not always ethereal or even a heavenly trait, I think
>they would be practical traits, of benefit to me and to those around
me.
>( of course, this is the way the universe looks to me :)))
>".
Dear Susan,
At risk of sounding presupmtious, it seems you DO already have some
pre-conceived notion that you wish to have confirmed. How practical is
beauty?? Yet who wants to live without it?? Please kindly consider why
you are somewhat rejecting or questioning the so-called ethereal traits,
whatever that means to you. Why not BOTH practical and ethereal outcomes
from enlightenment?? The trouble is you have to sorta make an object
out of a person in order to list traits and characteristics, but just
for you, I will try anyway, to explain the difficulty.
Take a baby, for example. Some people choose to focus on the
sweetness and innocence and find the helplessness only charming.
But a baby also cries, wets, and does not follow directions well.
Some people find this so annoying, they have been known to abuse and
kill babies. So which description fits the baby?? Why was Jesus killed??
So often, the beauty IS in the eye of the beholder...
Maybe it takes an enlightened person to see one??..others may see a
fool, or simply find them annoying. The difficulty of arriving at some
consensus of agreement is that "my list" may be so different from "your
list"...and one enlightened person may be so uniquely himself that "no
two are alike" either. There is no universal mold for making them all
turn out the same. These perceptions are so often intuitive and
subjective..its just too difficult to make a list.
>
>
>SNIP
>
>>
>>> There are results of being enlightened or are there only the
>>> illusory,ethereal hopes and desires of a hungry mind?
>>>
.
>
>My world view on enlightenment is it would (among other things) turn
one
>to service...a yoga of action....seva. I think that would be one marker
>of enlightenment. If we can have symptoms of inner peace (another
>marker)that may be a trait of enlightenment.
YES, it may do both...still what looks like service to me may seem like
just bad politics to you. Someone wrote a book about how Mother Teresa
was a rip-off fake...you cannot prove this stuff like in a laboratory
experiment.
>
>I have a question....if we are all a part of God, and some peoples are
>enlightened and some are not, then god is not totally enlightenment? (
>another foolish question but these things I want to know about).
People say they experience either a gradual or sudden shift in
awareness..they call it enlightenment...but where is God?? On his lunch
break??? You said you have a Christian background?? Did Jesus not say
that whatever you do for the least of these, you do for me?? Is this
identification of God with man then depending on time or an event of
outward conditions to make it true?? No, we are always a part of God,
no matter what may be appearing to be the case, even whether we know it
or not by our experience (or enlightenment). What's true ..just is the
way it is. People are free to believe otherwise, of course. God just is
not dependent on us for any characteristics. In theology this was called
God is immanent (fully
present) but transcendent (existing beyond the material world) also.
What can I say..He's tricky like that...very versatile guy.
Hope you don't mind me falling back on these old concepts to make
the analogy with enlightenment...but we seem to have that common
background..and there's not that much difference, even if you leave God
out completely..its the same idea of transcendence and immanence.
> So some part of god is not all light and some part of god is not all
>dark...kinda like the yin yang symbol.
Yes, very much like. Seeming opposites united..both true..
>
>What if enlightenment is a dynamic process, non linear? Then Peswami
>could feel he has lost his enlightenment. In church we used to say,
>"once saved, always saved'. Are we once enlightened, always
enlightened?
Who really can know this??? It's just how we may think we experience
anything. Just believing EITHER way does not make it so.
>
>I am beginnging to think that the pursueing of enlightenment is
>something of a cultural vanity, particularly when people are unable to
>recognize or identify the traits of an enlightened person.
You may be right, Susan. Vanity is quite prevelant among human beings.
However, The pull or desire, or quest for God, Truth, enlightenment..
is usually begun by extremely imperfect people..who have no idea what
they are getting into and how it may change them..some feel pursuing and
others feel pursued BY...its a long, strange trip...
>
More rambling in reply to yours,
Glo
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:35:09 +0000
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: S.O.S. (Slightly Off Subject)
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> P.S. (I even went so far as to go to a hypnotherapist for this, but he said
> it would take a fairly long time to help me, & the long-term cost of this
> approach is prohibitive.)
v: i say, move! move to a big spacious house where you can have a
garden, & a view of the trees & the sounds of rushing waters!
Don't even mess with them 'good ol' boy' raucous party-animals! ya
can't talk to them, & if you mace them they'll start playin their sounds
even louder.
Just get gone! somewhere nice & gentle so you can get clear!
--
for what it's worth;
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:39:51 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Curious
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Susan,
Have you considered the possibility that your rejection of concepts of "the
light" and "enlightenment" may be a reaction to and a repudiation of your
early religious training?
The risk here is that a person stands the chance of exchanging one set of
rigid beliefs for another.
David Reisling characterized "the true believer" as someone who switches
belief systems from one pole to the other without consideration of the
middle ground and without broadening of concept. The true believer simply
exchanges one sets of dogma. Examples of this are the extreme left wing
liberal who flipsflops over to right wing reactionary, or the religious
zealot who does a 180 degree turn and embraces the dark underbelly of belief
systems.
Love,
Sharon
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Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:40:38 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Saint or Sinner?
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At 18:06 1998.04.21 -0700, you wrote:
>However many holy words you read, how many you speak, what good will they
>do you if you do not act upon them?"
>
>These words I recently posted are *not* ascribed to Charles Manson as I
>stated but are in fact the words of the Buddha. You can probably now see
>how spiritual they are . . .
;))))) I don't know, I liked it and then read the name, and then it was
"what the f"#$?!?". ;))))))))
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Date: 22 Apr 98 19:50:01 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Layers of mind
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Hello
Are there layers in the mind?
Is it possible that a person can be existing in a place of great
seriousness while simultaneously being in a place of great
non-seriousness?
I had discovered through investigations into astrology that I
supposedly have a serious, administrative side and a non-serious,
childish side, both of which are somehow kept seperate.
So I wonder what is the effect of experiencing seriousness at the same
time as trying to experience indulgence? Would there be a kind of
guilt or bashfulness? If inside I am deeply calm and I try to do
something a bit naughty (for want of a better word), what would the
experience of both things at the same time make a person feel like?
And, when there is a whisper of compassion in times of great
negativity, is that you whispering at yourself? How is this possible?
What is this multiple me?
--
Paul.
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:29:50 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: curious/
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Glo wrote:
>You may be right, Susan. Vanity is quite prevelant among human beings.
>However, The pull or desire, or quest for God, Truth, enlightenment..
>is usually begun by extremely imperfect people..who have no idea what
>they are getting into and how it may change them..some feel pursuing and
>others feel pursued BY...its a long, strange trip...
Pursued by! How true. My preacher used to regularly read us a poem called
"The Hound of Heaven" -- about how spirit *ultimately* doesn't let anyone
get away. Sort of harsh yet comforting ...
--Signalfire
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Date: 22 Apr 98 21:23:52 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Opinionation
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Hello.
It seems I have an opinion about a lot of things. I'm not so sure I am
wise, maybe an idealist.
But /fact/ is that I am at the moment feeling a little amount of
freedom from having opinions about things. It is as though I am not
letting myself `like' certain things, and that the payoff against this
is that I don't `dislike' certain other things.
I used to never thing I was opinionated. I remember looking at other
people and thinking that they were opinionated. Maybe I was seeing
myself without realising it.
There has to be something not quite right, some contradiction or
seperation if a person is not feeling happy and lovely. That's kind
of a fact really. We all sort of know it. And it seems to me, maybe,
that the conflict and the sadness is brought about by having
opposition within yourself. What is this opposition, I am wondering,
what am I opposed to, and why does one part of my war with another
part of me? Seems I might be a bit up myself.
I am looking now, now that I can sort of switch opinionation on and
off, at what it looks like, what is its substance. First thing that
comes to mind is seeing that it is a clingy sort of attatching thing,
an involving thing, a sort of bonding with chains. And regardless of
wether it is a good opinion about something or a bad opinion about it,
it still has that attatchmental quality.
I was watching some tv a short while ago. I felt quite unusually free
of opinions about it. I did also notice sadness suddenly creeping in.
Why? It's not like anything major happened on the tv show? Was I
forming some kind of inner war, some kind of bias? I /feel/ the
opinions I have about things and it is a feeling of sadness.
Maybe even the deepest spirituality I know myself to be capable of,
maybe even that is an ideology, a collection of images and fantasy?
How does it look to see things without such mental comment? Fear is
surely another mental comment? I mean, maybe I'm not such a bad sort
but for a bit of opinionation that creeps in.
I thought myself balanced, mentally balanced. There are certainly more
extreme attitudes to life. Maybe though I need to go even further,
even higher than my own standards. What does it mean to look without
mental action to avoid or hide? What does it mean just to observe? To
observe via my opinion about something, in the belief that I am not
opinionated, causing conflict, thus sadness?
Why then am I of the opinion that going to pubs and nightclubs is bad?
Is it simply that I've gone just a /little/ bit too far? Maybe I have
the ability to observe quite well, to see the facts, but maybe I slip
a little bit into some ego and it turns into tangible opinion? What is
this child-like awareness coming over me?
Maybe secretly I have opinions about lots of stuff, which hides in my
desire not to talk much. Why does beauty turn into pleasure?
Observations about the observation? hmm.
--
Paul.
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:37:31 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Layers of mind
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Paul asked:
>Are there layers in the mind?
Try tonight to wreak serious indulgence and calm naughtyness. Then tommorow
you can do indulgent seriousness and naughty calmness.
I've done naughty calmness before and it really irks people! Tell me how
the other 3 work out ... ;)
--Signalfire
The web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist
---- Joy Rothke from Haiku
Error Message competition at Salon
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:43:39 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Delirium's guide to the universe...
Message-ID: <f80a28cb.353e567dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/22/1998, 1:55:41 PM, deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com writes:
<< Harsha: Do not mind your mind. Do it with awareness. There are no rules.
Do you mean do not *obey* or do not *care about* or do not *tend* your mind?
Or
is there a difference?
Harsha: What I mean is this: Do not mind your mind. Just do it with
awareness.
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