1998/04/21 12:51
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #316
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 316
Today's Topics:
Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality serio [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: just so you know [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
undefended are invulnerable [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Be Well [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Only you [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Head tingles....was...Re: Introd [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Re: Pleasure [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: The past [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: A dream [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Truth and Love [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Bozzi signs off [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Re: Taking non-duality (UN)seriously [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: loba's neverending intro last pa [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Only you [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: The past [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Question? Kundalini-L to Kundali [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:24:57 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality seriously
Message-ID: <353CD669.4011ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Gloria Lee wrote:
>
> >
> >I hate email. I hate the computer. I hate everybody I ever met. I hate
> >everybody and everything. It's just not fair.
> >
> >Love,
> >Jerry
> :):):) ROFL...you are just adorable, Jerry....:):)
> Best laugh I've had in days, weeks - even!!!
> >P.S. Okay, now that I've calmed down... I do not take seriously
> >nondualism or any other "way" of relating to reality. One cannot relate
> >to reality. One cannot talk about anything. Therefore, I can say
> >anything I want. Nondualism allows for that. While I don't take it
> >seriously, nondualism is where I always end up.
> >It is a good test for anyone. Whatever you know, stop taking it
> >seriously. If it is still where you end up, it is real knowledge.
> Yes, Jerry...anything (or anyone) worthwhile will withstand all our
> attempts to reject, deny, distort, avoid, etc...and just come back at
> us.. with
> love, even. Like you said before, you think Truth is "beyond" love, but
> what attracts you to this Truth?? Sounds to me like you cannot resist
> loving "Truth"...heheh, try not liking your Chinese food..it all works
> the same way, doesn't it??
Hey, just be funny, okay?, leave the heavy thinking to the men, who know
better.
> >PPS. I meant to delete the closing where I said "Love". Does that mean
> I
> >still have to love you?
> ONLY..if you first try REAL HARD not to love Harsha..and then later
> cannot help smiling at his next email....
I'm trying...
> But... my all-time favorite Chinese fortune cookie told me, "No one
> will ever love you the way you want to be loved."
> (Fortunately, I have learned to be grateful for that..what did I ever
> know about real love to begin with?? heheh)
Hmm, you might be the one who can prove that fortune untrue...
Love,
Jerry
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:48:33 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: psalzmanATnospamwesleyan.edu, lobATnospamlineone.net,
Brent Blalock <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: just so you know
Message-ID: <353CCDE0.5857ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Brent Blalock wrote:
>
> From: Ed Jason <lobATnospamlineone.net>
> To: Kundalini list <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
> Subject: just so you know
> Date: Sunday, April 19, 1998 10:44 AM
>
> > The
> > number 666, she claims, is routinely inserted into computer programs by
> > teckies who share their souls with Satan.
> >From now on, I'm going to try my best to put "666" into every program I
> write if at all possible.
I'm going to try my best to insert the number 91. That's how many of my
grandmother's kreplach I could eat.
...jerry
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:57:19 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: undefended are invulnerable
Message-Id: <199804211550.QAA31420ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> S'ok.. Just tell me what you think you need, and I'll tell you how
> to get along without it.
>
> Only the undefended are invulnerable,
> Gloria
I need more kindness and compassion in the world. I do get along without it. However much there was it would never be enough. Thanks for the offer of advice. I always need that and you are a provider so doubtless your needs are met by advising . . .
"Only the undefended are invulnerable"
I find such a remark indefensible. Does this also work on speeding trucks? Next you will be offering people spiritual advice as a form of self defence.
Ed
Needing no advice from Glo but happy to take it anyway :-)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:44:16 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"Brent Blalock" <blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu>
Subject: Be Well
Message-Id: <199804211550.QAA31981ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> That's a rather manic/depressive attitude (First, hot and angry comments,
> then a more calm suggestion. You always go back and forth.), but I accept
> your positive wishes for me. But that doesn't mean I'm going to "turn the
> other cheek." Rude behavior is still rude, even when it's followed by
> different behavior.
Rude? You mean not taking into account the other person - I see? Demanding to be treated as if capable of understanding. Firing questions without absorbing a little first. Assuming one knows things or ones knowledge is applicable - perhaps I too am rude. Perhaps so.
Perhaps I am rude. Perhaps my behaviour is inexcusable or manic/depressive - perhaps so.
Perhaps there is another explanation that I do not yet see . . .
Maybe I am just looking at a reflection and just describing myself.
If only I could learn to be less rude - perhaps you might help? You could set me an example? However you probably have questions and things to deal with . . .
Perhaps I should stop calling people names?
The manic/depressive, hot, angry, calm, positive, rude, different
Lobster
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:29:52 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Only you
Message-ID: <353CC980.96ACBD21ATnospammail.snet.net>
Paul West wrote:
> I found myself asking some while ago wether it was possible to be
> immune to bad people, wether there was some way of them not seeking
> you out in a kind of magical way. What do you think?
A pure one would not experience 'bad people' even if they hung himupside
down and left him to die.
> Every mental comment
> I had about anyone `bad' was only made possible by having that
> attitude about a part of my own wholeness.
This is the key. Stay with that.
> So I figure that maybe the only person we actually perceive is a
> oneness.
"Figuring" is a start...
> I have been having problems for some time with trying to please
> everyone. I feel that I have to keep a person happy and that to
> facilitate this I have to basically lie, and then it makes me
> physically ill and I start to reach uncontrollably.
You see yourself as apart from another. This is a type of self
imposedexclusion. This type of belief causes much mischief and grief.
> I keep losing myself, keep denying the way I really feel
> for the sake of not altering the way other people feel.
If one Centers for oneself one Centers for All.
Peace and Blessings to You.
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:50:57 +0100
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Head tingles....was...Re: Introduction to me
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At 01:37 21/04/98 -0400, Sharon Webb wrote:
>Peg wrote:
>>A vayu is some kind of energy channel dealibob.
>
>I like this definition. It makes more sense to me than dealibobaranayan.
>:-)
Me too.
In fact can we have the whole of the 'Is everyone on the list and/or the
Universe enlightened?' thread rewritten like this please?
:-)
R.
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:04:09 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Pleasure
Message-ID: <353CD189.45604B87ATnospamgeocities.com>
Very well said Paul. IMHO our senses are the medium, they do not produce
anything except
doing their assignments in different situations. There is something beyond
the senses which
react or response to the perception of situations which the senses carry
back and forth from and to the mind. Or it is something even beyond the
mind? On something else , yet beyond it all.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Paul West wrote:
> Hello
>
> I think that in the desire to please and to be pleased there is a
> certain distancing away from the courage to look at things which are
> not pleasurable, or to look at things in a way that does not involved
> pleasure. I feel that, at least for myself, there is a tremendous
> desire only to have that which gives the most pleasure to the senses -
> the most expensive technology, top of the range, state of the art,
> things which make you feel good, things which make you feel - to have
> a the pleasure of. In all this seeking of pleasure, however, there is
> unfortunately a loss of power, a loss of the ability to face
> something, and in that inability to face reality reality has turned
> into a hell. Only so long as there is no ability to look at the hell
> does it remain so. But when there can be a change, when you can look
> at the hell, it changes also. Even so, there always seems to be this
> barrier which sais that you are trying to mix heaven and hell
> together, that you want to look honestly while at the same time see
> dishonesty, and that is simply unfaceable, and untrue.
>
> And just when you notice that you are indulging in pleasure, the
> pleasure transforms and becomes displeasure - the pleasure of a
> non-heaven. Sadness sets in. Someone sadness is hard to shift because
> of the negativity involved, just to the same degree that happyness is
> hard to shift because of the positivity involved. Sometimes I don't
> know which is the harder.
>
> --
> Paul.
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:15:05 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The past
Message-ID: <353CD419.CBBA6E69ATnospamgeocities.com>
Paul West wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I've been having some problems with living in the past, lately but
> also for some time.
>
> When I wake up in the morning I get this kind of dissapointed feeling
> that I have to go through another day of being the ego-self, in an
> environment comprising things of yesterday. I have something of a
> thirst for the purchase of new things as if that would make things
> better, but ultimately it is unsatisfying, and there have been many
> times that directly after a new purchase that I thought would bring
> the answer I have simply felt dissapointed and that it was a bad
> choice.
Anandajyoti> We all go through such stages and doubts and questions begin
to rise in us, as to which way to take or act.IMO I allow these impulses
to be acknowledgment and literally s tell myself, okay , Impulse
let it sit for a day or two, and we'll decide the course of action.
>
>
> Paul> It's so bloody hard trying to treat each day as being new and
> getting
> out of the whole `Im on a path' syndrome. I have to force myself, if I
> remember that I can, to look at everything as if seeing it for the
> first time, denying the past. But it's so hard. I have a great desire
> to travel sometimes, just to be elsewhere, to be somewhere other than
> the nightmare of mundane life. I seem to contort myself to becoming
> whatever anyone else defines me to be, thoughts and history are
> totally taking over my life.
>
Anandajyoti> Here also I have applied the procrastination technique with
intention and awareness and have found in many instances, a day or two
after, the perceptions have taken a different turn and I could live with
the outcome happily, without remorse. I don't force myself anymore to be
what I am, I use the method of intention, awareness, observation, purpose,
dependent on a considered , objective and subjection evaluations of the
array of thoughts which I go through , even during the course of a day.
This method has helped in taking conscious, intentional control of
situations and they all turn around. If I am in doubt at any point, I
acknowledge that too, without being impulsive to act right away, and
maintain silence.Most of the time solutions manifest on their own, on the
intuitive plane of consciousness.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
> Paul>What can I do?
>
> --
> Paul.
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:11:27 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: A dream
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Hi,
Was it dawning sun or rising sun.
Love,
Anurag
On 20 Apr 1998, Paul West wrote:
> Amongst many other dreams, I had one a week or so ago which seemed to
> give nothing away as to what it might mean.
>
> Simply, I stood in my bedroom and looked out of the window and just
> above the horizon was a brilliant orange sun.
>
> That was absolutely all that happened. I wondered, perhaps
> romantically, if it might be to represent the dawning of the age of
> aquarius, even though that particular position on the horizon is where
> the sun goes /down/. But I am now wondering if it might represent a
> chakra (which people seem to spell as `cakra')? Perhaps again this is
> a romantic interpretation.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
> Paul.
>
>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 23:06:18 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
cc: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Truth and Love
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Hi,
Even after total annihilation something remains which is living or
non-living. So it exists with space. So truth and love exist together.
Love,
Anurag
>
> The forest is big with people moving through it. It doesn't matter which
> tree falls, there's somebody there to hear it. Truth is the space the
> forest is in. Love is every living and non-living thing in the forest.
> Anything can happen in the forest, including total annihilation of every
> living and non-living thing. You still have the space the forest
> occupies. That is Truth. Unchanging, including all things and
> possibilites.
>
>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:01:29 +0000
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Bozzi signs off
Message-ID: <353C7C88.3720ATnospamptialaska.net>
David Bozzi wrote:
>
> Gloria Lee wrote:
>
> > How about "act naturally"...??? Seems to fit your brand of genetic
> > programming!!!
>
> Because I'm annoying. It's genetic. My parents were annoying.
v: most people who had to live through the great Depression became very
annoying with VERY bad attitudes! Real 'penny pinchers'!
--
for what it's worth;
valerie cooper
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7982/index.html
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:06:32 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Taking non-duality (UN)seriously
Message-ID: <19980421190632.11810.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>
>Jerry wrote:
>Hey, just be funny, okay?, leave the heavy thinking to the men, who
know
>better.
Dear Jerry,
Does this mean you will also keep me barefoot and pregnant???(sorry, too
late for that, anyway) BUT
Will you take me out for Chinese food and PAY for it, even??
This could be my best offer yet..you will promise to do all the heavy
thinking for me...and then just let me in on the secret of the universe
once you get it all figured out?? Wowee, thanks, Jer!!! Now, I'm in need
of your help....
to figure out what to do with all my free time.
It only seems "fair" I should get nagging privileges here in exchange.
(Wishfully thinking...hmmm???
maybe ignorance WAS bliss, etc..) Now I have to be funny??? Yikes!!
You know, I told Bozzi my "Higher Self" ran away from home to do
stand-up comedy - till Lobster beat her with a stick, and now God only
knows where she is...but this is why you get such *lame* humor
from me. She took all the good material with her. Or maybe I am also
genetically humor-impaired, like Bozzi..tho his is selective and only
applies to sign-offs.
<snips>>
>
So Jer, stop being so "provacative"...I cannot help *it*
"girls just wanna have fun"
Glo
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Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:09:00 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: BliichowATnospamjuno.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Yes, yes, yes, and no.
We have had a few threads on the "Toronto blessing", it is indeed KA..
but there is not likely to be any danger because these folks are
surrendering to the K., and that is what it needs most of all. It is the
resistance that causes discomfort and pain. They have surrendered, so the
Fire will protect them.
Blessings, A.
At 02:22 PM 20/04/98 -1000, Robert Liichow wrote:
>Recently in Toronto and in Pensacola Florida 2 churches have been having a
"revival." During the ministry time people come forward and the leaders
hands and laid on the seekers. The following then happens to the seekers:
> People begin to laugh uncontrollably
> Some people begin to weep
> Other begin to make spontaneous bodily movements
> Many people fall to the ground in a "faint" or "swoon" for as long as an
hour or more.
> Others begin to jump up and down, or dance
>
>This has been happening to over close to one million people. To me it
sounds like a Kundalini awakening - yet these people practice no yoga, eat
no special diet, nor follow any Sat-Guru. Is this a kundalini awakening
and if so, are these people in any danger from awakening something they
know little or nothing about. Your Input is valued. Shanti!
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:45:42 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "loba kola" <lobakolaATnospamcsrlink.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: loba's neverending intro last part hooray :) some personal
weirdness
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At 12:09 AM 21/04/98 -0400, loba kola wrote:
>hey! come on, it aint that bad! :) i need your input :)
>
one mare was old. i talked to her a lot. "yr tired, arent you
>honey?" sweet old girl. i patted her and rubbed between her ears as i
>talked to her. the next day my boyfriends mother tells us they had the
>flatbed out there. the old mare had just died. fell over dead in the
>pasture. anybody have any positive light to shed on this? (please? :)
>
Sure, easy... the negative attitudes about death are your own.
Animals don't see it the same way.. they know that they are on the
wheel.. and if contact with humans makes them forget, you come along to
give them love and lift them up to a higher vibe where they remember that
they don't HAVE to be here, they have a chioce. Some of them use the energy
of the love you give them to make a break for freedom. They exit stage
left.. and are happier.
>im still not sure im in the right place in this or the other group.
Yup, you are. Welcome to Wierdoes-r-Us. I have recognized most of the
stuff you have written about, good to meet a soul sister.. glad you caught
a glimpse of the "Lighthouse".
> i have
>so many dreams that others think are so fascinating; to me they are part of
>my life. i will share the others later at a more eased up pace :) i was
>bursting with all of this and wanted to get it out.
Yup, it's nice to find some willing ears that might be understanding, eh?
> i dont know for sure if
>its kundalini energy. i had a bear dream once where i was torn apart limb
>by limb. i mean ripped apart in shreds. it didnt hurt. just frightened me.
>but i pretty much knew i would be ok in the end. ive been told this was a
>shamanic dream; an initiatory dream for a healer.
It is. You were destroyed and reborn. I spent the weekend with a new
Shaman.. I was allowed to observe a ritual dance seldom seen by white eyes.
It is K-fired Earth energy, fer sure.. and the human psyche that was delved
into.
>something has always been
>'off' for me. i always felt like an observer rather than a participant in
>humanity, even as a child. but to mother earth and nonhuman animals i feel
>deeply connected, and see most other humans as observers in that respect
>rather than participants. this 'off' feeling seems to be coming to a head
>or something.
Feelings of isolation and strangeness are not unusual for K-folks.. we
feel different coz we ARE different. Animals know us coz we Smell
different. Blessed be..
> lately ive been withdrawn. for the past year. i almost feel shy
>now. isnt that funny? my pals are confused. im confused. i just feel
>different.
I spent the past year mostly as a hermit, too.. coming out of it now.. it
is just the planet shifting frequency.. most of us are sensitive to it in
some way... every solstice and full moon the list starts to howl a wee
bit.. we feel the pull of Luna.. K-fire comes in a cyclic wave form like a
biorhythm. A spiral.
>
>well, as ive said, i hope to connect. i have written quite enough for now.
>i eagerly await any ideas you all may have on anything ive written.
>
>lalalalala loba kola :)
>
Nice to meecha.. Blessings, Mystress.
>
>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:40:53 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Only you
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At 08:32 PM 20/04/98 +0000, Paul West wrote:
>Hello.
>
>I have been wondering if anyone has been thinking along similar lines
>as I have with regard to who it is that we interact with in life. I
>have often found that any outburst I make seems to be me talking to
>myself. People I've met and had to contend with seem to have been, in
>effect, a personification of things about myself that need attention.
>And when those things are resolved those people seem to slip away. I
>know that there is such a thing as asking and receiving and I figure
>that the whole structure of one's psyche forms a big thing that you
>are asking for at the present time, and so receive it.
Yes, precisely so. The Koan for it is "the inside is the outside"..
everything you see outside of you is a mirror of an aspect of your Self,
and You are All that Is. So give love to All that Is, and reach
enlightenment whatever that is..) thru the Love flowing back to you.
>
>I found myself asking some while ago wether it was possible to be
>immune to bad people, wether there was some way of them not seeking
>you out in a kind of magical way. What do you think? Most days there
>is at least one thing I notice about the way I have treated someone in
>the past which I had thought was me seeing something wrong with the
>person as clearly as I could at the time. Even so I was not
>necessarily right and instead it seems like I was lashing out at
>myself.
Well, there you have it.. stop judging folks as "bad", and you'll stop
meeting "bad" people. Your judgments are a reflection of you, and Goddess
wants you to get past them, so they will keep showing up till you do.
>
>I had a dream several months ago in which there was me and three
>mirrors. I was reflected in all of them and in each was a kind of
>image of myself. Instead of a normal reflection, I saw in each a
>certain part of my world view. There was in one mirror a self image,
>how I feel about myself and how I feel I look to other people, in
>another mirror there was this kind of spirit-me, grinning and knowing
>something, and in the other mirror was this kind of intellectual mess
>thing. And then I realised that if I added all these parts together,
>the resulting whole was in fact the real me - the truth of my
>identity. I realised I couldn't have an attitude towards anything
>without forming that attitude out of my own consciousness and BEING
>that thing. I couldn't hate evil without becoming that hatefulness.
That is exactly right.
So realize that there is no such thing as "evil", there is only humans
acting in fear.
>I have been having problems for some time with trying to please
>everyone. I feel that I have to keep a person happy and that to
>facilitate this I have to basically lie, and then it makes me
>physically ill and I start to reach uncontrollably.
Makes perfect sense, when you try to lie from this state, you negate
yourself.
Realize everyone has the power of Free will, and it is for them to choose
to be happy, or sad, or anything else they feel like being.. it is their
free will, and you do not control that. Be yourself, and act in alignment
with your conscience, and let everybody else do the same.
>And then I feel
>that I don't want to be there and that the only way to get away from
>it is to lie even more. There seems to be a darker side to
>pleasantness. I keep losing myself, keep denying the way I really feel
>for the sake of not altering the way other people feel. This just
>feels like depression and lately I have been wondering why I keep
>waking up.
You are setting yourself up in a no-win situation. Making yourself
responsible for the free will choices of emotions that are occurring in
another human. Stop. They are their Tao and so are you.
Nor can you stop yourself from having some effects on another.. there is
only one of Us, and it is All of Us, and even if you are a hermit in a cave
the energy of your being still expands to touch the awareness of other
humans. We are trapped all in the same hologram. Altering any one part of
it alters the reflection of the whole.
An example is chaos theory applied to weather.. it is all one complex
interactive system, so the air moved by a butterfly's wings in Japan might
be the spark for a tornado in Kansas. You cannot control the complex
effects of a chaotic system such as reality, or human feelings. Stop trying
to control how other folks feel, and pay attention to how you feel. Follow
your bliss, and everything else will work itself out.
Blessings, Mystress.
>--
>Paul.
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:48:23 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The past
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Deny nothing. Accept everything. Be here now.
Focus on whatever is in front of you. Look for it's beauty.
Blessings, Mystress.
At 02:39 PM 21/04/98 +0000, Paul West wrote:
>Hello.
>
>I've been having some problems with living in the past, lately but
>also for some time.
>
>It's so bloody hard trying to treat each day as being new and getting
>out of the whole `Im on a path' syndrome. I have to force myself, if I
>remember that I can, to look at everything as if seeing it for the
>first time, denying the past. But it's so hard.
>What can I do?
>
>--
>Paul.
>
>
>
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 12:23:18 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Question? Kundalini-L to Kundalini-Digest?
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Unsub from one, resub to the other.. they are different lists.
At 02:18 PM 21/04/98 -0500, Mark A. Collins wrote:
>How do I change my subscription to digest form?
>
>Thanks...
>
>
>
If you need more info, feel free to write to me at
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