1998/04/20 20:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #313
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 313
Today's Topics:
kundalini arising [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Robert Liichow <BliichowATnospamjuno.com> ]
Re: curious [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
trEE [ trexisATnospamjuno.com ]
Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality serio [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net ]
Re: HRTZEN: waiting on a friend(upda [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
loba's prelude [ "loba kola" <lobakolaATnospamcsrlink.net> ]
Re: Truth and Love [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Introduction to me [ PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:31:01 -0700
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: kundalini arising
Message-ID: <353BE8C4.CAD596A6ATnospamtransbay.net>
Recently I did a survey of the people involved in the list
to determine the means by which k-arose. The main reason I
was doing this was I suspected that the majority of
k-arisals did not come from a special effort made to raise
kundalini energy.
There were 12 responses:
Here are the results:
During meditation(not related to k-energy): 3
Completely spontaneous:2
After therapy: 1
Hatha Yoga: 1
Drug related: 1
Shaktipat: 1
Sahaja Yoga: 1
Ortho-bionomy: 1
At birth: 1
I have shortened these answers down and I realize that for
most people the awakening was more a process than a single
event. However from what I've read so far there is no
specific thing you should do to raise kundalini. It will
arise after a while of dedicated spiritual practice if it's
going to.
If the lurkers and non-respondents want to add to this
informal survey that would be cool. Perhaps should the
web-site be further developed this question and other
questions could be posted on it.
Dan M.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:22:04 -1000 (HST)
From: Robert Liichow <BliichowATnospamjuno.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199804210022.OAA24991ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
Recently in Toronto and in Pensacola Florida 2 churches have been having a "revival." During the ministry time people come forward and the leaders hands and laid on the seekers. The following then happens to the seekers:
People begin to laugh uncontrollably
Some people begin to weep
Other begin to make spontaneous bodily movements
Many people fall to the ground in a "faint" or "swoon" for as long as an hour or more.
Others begin to jump up and down, or dance
This has been happening to over close to one million people. To me it sounds like a Kundalini awakening - yet these people practice no yoga, eat no special diet, nor follow any Sat-Guru. Is this a kundalini awakening and if so, are these people in any danger from awakening something they know little or nothing about. Your Input is valued. Shanti!
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:30:49 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "Kyira Korrigan - DTI,MF" <kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com>
CC: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>,
kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: curious
Message-ID: <353BE8B9.8C790671ATnospamgeocities.com>
Kyira Korrigan - DTI,MF wrote:
> <snipped> his work has come to imply a
> Consciousness can be found in stable
> manipulation of this field - something our mind's do naturally. He's also
> found that if these quantum field-waves can be lengthened and then
> allowed to collapse there is a (theoretical) random mirroring effect in
> other matter across the timeline.
Anandajyoti> According to Yoga and eastern thought, if individual thoughts (a
variation of Consciousness) if it can be said to be a quantum then
succeeding thoughts are also of quantum nature in the field of time. When the
vibrations of very near frequencies match in sync , they could be in
communication with each other at the quantum level. Please know thatthis is
the idea I am thinking over , on reading your post and would like your input
, as a matter of discussion.
In Yoga we also have the idea of the space between the two successive
thoughts, if somehow, through meditation or otherwise this space between the
thoughts could be set apart further to each other, in the timeline, what
effect would you suggest according to the
ideas put forward by you friend.
>
>
> Kyira>To summarize, he believes he can see an inherent quality to all atoms
>
> which could be equated to consciousness. When he first told me this, I
> read into it many parallels with Buddha-mind and the experience of
> at-one-ment of enlightenment.
Anandajyoti> In the Yoga train of thought , it is also said that the whole
Universe is an enormous field of Consciousness, which degenerates in
frequencies and finally takes shape or form of solid matter, which also have
vibrational nature , bound within the limits of a matrix. As in
crystallography, a huge piece of the diamond would have the same crystalline
structure, a in the piece of a few centimeters.
I would like to have your comments on this idea too.
>
>
> Further studying of his work and some flights of fancy on my side have
> led to this idea:
> When anyone experiences a transcendental experience (which would be a
> change in quantum field qualities of our neural matter followed by a
> collapse of the wave-form back to it's "normal" state) there are random
> timeline shockwaves in others' minds through the timeline. When one of us
> experiences a moment of transcendence/enlightenment and then returns to
> daily consciousness, we also trigger these moments in others across the
> timeline due to the quantum qualities of time.
Anandajyoti> I can relate to what you are saying here, but unable at this
very moment to comment further. Is it something similar to the idea of
morphic resonance ?
>
>
> Kyira><snipped> By continuing to reincarnate and re-experience
> our search for enlightenment in different lifetimes, we are actually
> contributing to others enlightenment as well. Our moments of
> transcendence trigger others' moments. (I have often had experiences of
> what seems to be other peoples' memories or knowledge come to me when in
> altered states of consciousness - perhaps there is personality residue?)
Anandajyoti> I would like to have your comment on a hypothetical condition,
which is ,Is there an end to the continual reincarnation and /or
re-experience. If there be an end, then what would that be?
Can the quantum field break across the quantum time line? If it can, then
what happens to the quantum field?
>
>
> Kyira><snipped> But, it places the question in the arena of questions like
> "Why does the sun work?" It just does - it is the nature of the sun to be a
> fusion reactor in space. It is the
> nature of matter to be conscious, and the consciousness field will
> fluctuate as part of its nature.
Anandajyoti> I can also relate to the idea stated above. How would one define
this nature and whence did it come from? These are further questions I would
invite your thoughts on.
> It is nice to have you on board this list.
With Best Wishes,
Anandajyoti
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:29:32 -0400
From: trexisATnospamjuno.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: trEE
Message-ID: <19980420.202934.3358.0.trexisATnospamjuno.com>
>Susan Carlson wrote:
>
>> I am not asking a tree what enlightenment is for I have not heard
>> of trees pursuing enlightenment.
>
>Perhaps they know something...
>
>------------------------------
Trees MUST "know something", they have a MUCH easier time with kundalini
than us bipedal overthinkers. I dare all of you to go sit with your
back laid upon
a tree and meditate WITH it for a few hours. One can (un)learn a lot
from a tree.
PEACE !
Edward
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:40:41 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality seriously
Message-ID: <19980421004041.28297.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>
>I hate email. I hate the computer. I hate everybody I ever met. I hate
>everybody and everything. It's just not fair.
>
>Love,
>Jerry
:):):) ROFL...you are just adorable, Jerry....:):)
Best laugh I've had in days, weeks - even!!!
>P.S. Okay, now that I've calmed down... I do not take seriously
>nondualism or any other "way" of relating to reality. One cannot relate
>to reality. One cannot talk about anything. Therefore, I can say
>anything I want. Nondualism allows for that. While I don't take it
>seriously, nondualism is where I always end up.
>
>It is a good test for anyone. Whatever you know, stop taking it
>seriously. If it is still where you end up, it is real knowledge.
Yes, Jerry...anything (or anyone) worthwhile will withstand all our
attempts to reject, deny, distort, avoid, etc...and just come back at
us.. with
love, even. Like you said before, you think Truth is "beyond" love, but
what attracts you to this Truth?? Sounds to me like you cannot resist
loving "Truth"...heheh, try not liking your Chinese food..it all works
the same way, doesn't it??
<SNIP of "breathing...who needs it?">
>PPS. I meant to delete the closing where I said "Love". Does that mean
I
>still have to love you?
ONLY..if you first try REAL HARD not to love Harsha..and then later
cannot help smiling at his next email....
But... my all-time favorite Chinese fortune cookie told me, "No one
will ever love you the way you want to be loved."
(Fortunately, I have learned to be grateful for that..what did I ever
know about real love to begin with?? heheh)
Glo
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:01:16 -0400
From: "Rick Puravs" <ric51ATnospamgeorge.lhi.net>
To: <BliichowATnospamjuno.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Liichow <BliichowATnospamjuno.com>
Date: Monday, April 20, 1998 8:18 PM
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
>Recently in Toronto and in Pensacola Florida 2 churches have been having a "revival." During the ministry time people come forward and the leaders hands and laid on the seekers. The following then happens to the seekers:
> People begin to laugh uncontrollably
> Some people begin to weep
> Other begin to make spontaneous bodily movements
> Many people fall to the ground in a "faint" or "swoon" for as long as an hour or more.
> Others begin to jump up and down, or dance
>
>This has been happening to over close to one million people. To me it sounds like a Kundalini awakening - yet these people practice no yoga, eat no special diet, nor follow any Sat-Guru. Is this a kundalini awakening and if so, are these people in any danger from awakening something they know little or nothing about. Your Input is valued. Shanti!
>
This is the so-called Toronto Blessing, and yes it is possible that some of these
people are receiving Shaktipat.....while terms like Kundalini, Shaktipat, etc. have
their origin in traditions associated with India and that part of Asia, they represent
a universal phenomenon.......check out this website for comparisons (warning,some of this is written from some sort of Christian perspective).....
http://www.niksula.cs.hut.fi/~ahuima/toronto/kundalini.html
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:31:46 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net
CC: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>,
CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: waiting on a friend(update)
Message-ID: <353B948F.4959ATnospamintercomm.com>
valerie cooper wrote:
>
> hi all,
> well, after I decide if I should laugh with great gusto or weep tears
> of pathos, in between the moments I stay with my computer Sophia &
> grounding grounding grounding...
> tis best to be neither coming OR going for this era.
> Thanx a lot!
> Gloria, I am now employed as a graphic & web designer in this little
> impending tourist trap cut-throat 'dog eat dog' little idyllic burg by
> the sea, in a 100 year old building that used to be a bordello down on
> the dock.
GG
You know I bet you would start to feel better about the place if you
changed how you view it. I know that sometimes things look pretty dismal
but if you can look for what is good and right about the situation
instead of seeing the negative, you will find your life is much easier.
This is just a suggestion. Everyone has a tendency to fall into gossip
etc. but if you set the example of not doing that, and are constantly
lifting it and turning it around, you will be amazed at how people will
not come to you with this dumping energy. And if you don't react, but
simply detach and observe without judgement, you can pull your energy
out of it. I know it is a challenge but I know you can do it.
Naturally I am suddenly compelled to do lavish amounts of art,
> in between doin these ding-danged website registration for this very
> nice lady who runs her web design business from her boat just down the
> ramp past the Yacht Club office!
> cool beans, eh?
> This morning I was wearing a scarf around my face like the Saudi Arabian
> women, since the subsequent instability after the closure of the pulp
> mill has everyone glowering at each other & back-stabbing their friends
> & so on. the air is rife with resentment. But it is sorta that way
> everywhere - isn't it right now?
Gg
Well I don't find it that way, but I started a community good-news
newspaper to lift the frequency, and then took it out into the community
to show that it does work. So, I am not a good one to ask that question
to, we live in an area that often has a bad rap since we have gambling,
and the divorce capital of the US., so people can come to Reno with an
attitude, but it doesn't wash with me. The people who live here are
beautiful people, even those who are moving in and out, which we have a
lot of, are here trying to find an opportunity for a better life. With
the casino's there is almost always work and so people come here to find
work, but it is also expensive so entry level work is low pay. So it is
a cycle like what you talk about, struggle is not a bad thing however,
it always gives us the opportunity to arise above the negative energy
and to reach out and help others whenever possible.
> My heart keeps wanting to open, only to slam dunk back hard closed
> again!
> It's rather like a dance, but not the tango!
> well... life keeps on keepin on...
> :-)
> vc
> hangin in there
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
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http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:36:08 -0400
From: "loba kola" <lobakolaATnospamcsrlink.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: loba's prelude
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:) i just wanted to warn everyone i am about to introduce myself. i
started to write about some experiences and it turned into 3 pieces. they
are a little lengthy. i hope to hear some insight from all of you on any of
the wierdnesses ive addressed :) i am in a spin. but thats really nothing
unusual for me come to think of it.... another warning: i am a young female
adult, right-brained, eldest-born-of-four aquarius, who probably has a.d.d.
( i have been known to get lost just rounding the block in manhattan where
my mother now lives and just went with it and had a good time exploring
knowing i would eventually find where i was headed to) now where was
i.....oh yeah, i also definitely had too much coffee today. when i get all
hopped up on coffee it translates into my writing. read the three at yr own
risk :) hehehehehehehe thanks in advance for yr patience.
loba kola
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 23:34:44 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Truth and Love
Message-ID: <353C3E04.195ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
> > Jerry: It's okay to say to one that Truth is beyond Love. To another that it is
> > beyond The Guru. To still another that it is beyond Oneness. It is just
> > another way of saying that whatever you adhere to has to be released in
> > order to know Truth. That includes love. It doesn't mean you stop
> > loving. It should free you to love more.
> > snip.....
> Harsha: It is okay to say that Truth and Love are the Same. It is just another way of saying that
> Self-Realization is of the nature of Fullness and Completeness and does not admit of dichotomies. It
> does not mean you stop loving at the human level, but that you Realize the True Nature of Love. It is
> Freedom It Self.
Jerry: Yes. It is okay to say Truth is beyond Love, and Truth and Love
are the same. That is clear. I accept either one and both together and
neither one, all at once.
The forest is big with people moving through it. It doesn't matter which
tree falls, there's somebody there to hear it. Truth is the space the
forest is in. Love is every living and non-living thing in the forest.
Anything can happen in the forest, including total annihilation of every
living and non-living thing. You still have the space the forest
occupies. That is Truth. Unchanging, including all things and
possibilites.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 22:49:23 EDT
From: PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com>
To: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction to me
Message-ID: <69dc218d.353c0937ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-20 13:13:48 EDT, Paul writes:
<< I had imagined that the massaging fingers event, due to it being my
first major event, signalled the start of or the awakening of my
kundalini. I have also heard though, as you suggest too, that it's
meant to happen when refining has already worked its way up to the
top. So does this mean it could have started years ago?>>
You could have started lifetimes ago. When my kundalini process started
spontaenously, I was told, "You must have been working on this for a very long
time." I thought that was interesting in light of the fact that I had never
heard of kundalini. Before the massaging/tickling feeling started, I went
through much grosser and dramatic "openings" of the lower chakras within a six
month period. But the energy working on the head is far more delicate,
subtle, and protracted. But again I would tell you the same thing I was told
over and over. Don't get distracted by the physical phenomena. They are just
side effects. The big payoffs are in the spiritual and emotional arena, not
the physical.
Peg
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