1998/04/20 17:16
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #312
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 312
Today's Topics:
re:Curious [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: Curious [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #311 [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Power of words and Silence [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: symptoms [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
Only you [ "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon. ]
OT: Dream [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Another wave of hefty K-manifestatio [ Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
A dream [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: english lesson, off topic! [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Re: HRTZEN: waiting on a friend(upda [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
Truth and Love [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Curious?? [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Re: Only you [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
OT: Afraid to Post? [ meATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Only you [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: Moving forward [ WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 11:24:28 -0700
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
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Subject: re:Curious
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:02:46 -0700
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
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To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: Re: curious
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Susan Carlson wrote:
> >Susan Carlson wrote in a couple e-mails:
> >
> >> All this talk about what enlightenment is...so what's going to happen
> >> to you once you are it? What's Its purpose?
> >
> >Why does an apple tree bear fruit? Is it to allow birds to eat it? Is
> it
> >to make people drunk off of apple cider? Is it to reproduce more apple
> >trees?
> >
> >If you asked an apple tree it wouldn't know what you were talking about
> its
> >something it does not explains.
>
> So what is the result of enlightenment? If a tree bears fruit there are
> several uses of the fruit and....
>
> Are you assuming the tree is capable of conscious thought and is self
> aware? I am not asking a tree what enlightenment is for I have not heard
> of trees pursuing enlightenment.What's so hard about describing the
> enlightened person? "If you have to ask, you arent" response is a vanity
> answer.(Not saying that you say this, just anticipating this response
> from others).
>
Perhaps, you misread my analogies. An enlightened person is like a
fruit-bearing tree. Giving in a natural fashion and completely unconcerned
with these processes. But if you were to discuss it with the tree(assuming
the tree was open to discussions) it wouldn't understand the questions. How
it is is not for the tree to answer or explain. How would a fish explain
water?...
> >> So what are the traits of an enlightened person? Can we list them?
> >
> >Let me get my tire pressure gauge out and measure the color of
> water....
>
> Do you think my question is foolish? Why pursue something if you dont
> know what's happening after you catch it? If you dont know, why not say
> so?
In a way I think your question is foolish... The analogy again was trying
to explain it... Listing in an intellectual manner the traits of an
enlightened person so that you could understand it is the equivalent of
using the wrong measuring tool to try to understand an almost ethereal
trait.
> Other times Enlightenment seems to be discussed and mapped and
> postulated about ( along with K)but it feels to me about as revealing as
> dissecting the brain to look for consciousness. Information helps that
> is gleaned from these discussions that is for sure but we dont seem to
> be moving any closer for all the knowing.
The discussions build a framework for experience... The sufi analogy is
tilling a field getting ready for a crop to grow. If you were unfamiliar
with farming you would notice this digging in the dirt ask how does dirt
have anything to do with bread? You can't eat dirt can you? This activity
seems completely unrelated. But if the field is plowed properly eventually
the experience, the understanding will come.
> There are results of being enlightened or are there only the
> illusory,ethereal hopes and desires of a hungry mind?
>
Again this is a question that is hard to understand: If we use the farm
analogy the question you have have asked: Does bread exist or do rocks
exist?
Yes...
Dan M.
hopefully next time my postings will need less interpretation...
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:39:25 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Curious
Message-ID: <353B965D.1971ATnospammail.snet.net>
Dan Margolis wrote:
> How would a fish explain water?...
It is best not to try to explain anything underwater.
By talking one might drown.
Hence the wisdom of be silent underwater.
> You can't eat dirt can you?
Provided it is clean dirt. Very rich in minerals.
Some prefer to have have plants eat the dirt first and
then eat the plants. Eitherway...it is okay.
> If we use the farm
> analogy the question you have have asked: Does bread exist or do rocks
> exist?
> Yes...
Now that that's settled I'm going home.
> hopefully next time my postings will need less interpretation...
Yes, words are bricks why build walls?
Love,
David
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:37:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #311
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mine likes to move around into my brow area and make it fire off,
sometimes it feels like something is trying to break out of the top of my
skull.
Like a baby chicken pecking its way out of its shell.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:07:46 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Head tingles....was...Re: Introduction to me
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Hi,
Peg wrote:
>She said the phenomenon
>was kundalini refining the "vayus" (a good thing).
But what IS the "vayus?"
And are the rest of you into scratching the tops of your heads to relieve
the tingle? I hafta go into my monkey act 20 or 30 times a day.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:53:08 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Power of words and Silence
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Harsh Luthar wrote:
>
> Jerry Katz wrote:
>
> > > > Love is not enough. Only Truth.
> > >
> > > Harsha: First Find out what Love Is! Love and Truth are Same Jerry!
> >
> > Jerry: Truth is beyond Love.
>
> Harsha: Now, Jerry, we come to the heart of the issue. You say that Truth is Beyond Love. The
> operational word for you here is Beyond. Why should the Truth be Beyond Love? If Truth is Beyond
> Love, then there must be something Beyond that "Truth" as well. After all, when you say (and
> postulate) that an entity or a non-entity such as "Truth" is Beyond "something", all you are
> doing is holding on to Duality for dear life! Because, then for you, The "Truth Beyond" is
> different than the "Love (or Truth)" now! Why should the Truth be Beyond anything at all? Is
> this "Beyond" you Jerry. Because if it is then it must be the "Truth" according to your own
> definition!: --).
It's okay to say to one that Truth is beyond Love. To another that it is
beyond The Guru. To still another that it is beyond Oneness. It is just
another way of saying that whatever you adhere to has to be released in
order to know Truth. That includes love. It doesn't mean you stop
loving. It should free you to love more.
I'm not saying that there are levels, with one beyond another. It isn't
turtles all the way down, if you're familiar with that story.
> Jerry: I think words should not be wise. They should be empty. I trust
> emptiness. That is wisdom. Wise words are empty. They hold up the void.
> Harsha: Consider my words then to be the empty words. Trust them. They hold up the void.
>
> Laughing and loving in Silence...........Harsha
I trust you. I am not different than you. I do not live by the
remembrance of a single word.
Nondualism
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/chapter7.htm
"What sort of cry is this to come here? Return to your teachers where
the flame is merely yellow. I am the clear pure white flame of the
Absolute. This book is the tiny star in the dark blue sky that fills
your mouth."
The Wild Song of Standing Free, Ch.7, V.1
Date: 20 Apr 98 20:06:46 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: symptoms
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Hi Susan.
> >That's enlightenment and after.
> >Anandajyoti
>
> Then,dear one, there are many more enlightened people than has been
> previously thought.
It has been a belief of mine, maybe only a theory, that everyone is
enlightened because you cannot put that kind of a way of being into a
framework of any kind. We have all always been enlightened and always
will be. But then there is this other stuff happening inside us, this
seperation thing, which believes it has an identity but is selfish and
afraid of being dead, afraid of itself, such is what we usually call
`I'.
?
--
Paul.
Date: 20 Apr 98 20:32:18 +0000
From: "Paul West" <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Only you
Message-Id: <353BB0D2.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hello.
I have been wondering if anyone has been thinking along similar lines
as I have with regard to who it is that we interact with in life. I
have often found that any outburst I make seems to be me talking to
myself. People I've met and had to contend with seem to have been, in
effect, a personification of things about myself that need attention.
And when those things are resolved those people seem to slip away. I
know that there is such a thing as asking and receiving and I figure
that the whole structure of one's psyche forms a big thing that you
are asking for at the present time, and so receive it.
There have been a lot of times when I have been confronted with what
seems to be me at the present time. On reflection, when it has passed,
I start to look back and notice that that person and I were very alike
at the time. What is this strange attraction that is going on?
I found myself asking some while ago wether it was possible to be
immune to bad people, wether there was some way of them not seeking
you out in a kind of magical way. What do you think? Most days there
is at least one thing I notice about the way I have treated someone in
the past which I had thought was me seeing something wrong with the
person as clearly as I could at the time. Even so I was not
necessarily right and instead it seems like I was lashing out at
myself.
I had a dream several months ago in which there was me and three
mirrors. I was reflected in all of them and in each was a kind of
image of myself. Instead of a normal reflection, I saw in each a
certain part of my world view. There was in one mirror a self image,
how I feel about myself and how I feel I look to other people, in
another mirror there was this kind of spirit-me, grinning and knowing
something, and in the other mirror was this kind of intellectual mess
thing. And then I realised that if I added all these parts together,
the resulting whole was in fact the real me - the truth of my
identity. I realised I couldn't have an attitude towards anything
without forming that attitude out of my own consciousness and BEING
that thing. I couldn't hate evil without becoming that hatefulness.
Even simple orientative perceptions such as to judge how far something
was away from me, was a measurement and an image in my consciousness,
part of myself. And there were all sorts of things, therefore, that I
was thinking were not me, and which I was hating. Every mental comment
I had about anyone `bad' was only made possible by having that
attitude about a part of my own wholeness. The only way to perceive
those things was to be those things. And I did wonder why the hell I'd
used my mind as a kind of labelling tool to such a degree when all it
did was fragment me.
So I figure that maybe the only person we actually perceive is a
oneness. Regardless of wether we are in ourselves complete or broken
into pieces, we still only ever look at a singular whole. Memories we
have about people from our past which we project on them, is only made
possible by cutting a part of ourselves away.
I have been having problems for some time with trying to please
everyone. I feel that I have to keep a person happy and that to
facilitate this I have to basically lie, and then it makes me
physically ill and I start to reach uncontrollably. And then I feel
that I don't want to be there and that the only way to get away from
it is to lie even more. There seems to be a darker side to
pleasantness. I keep losing myself, keep denying the way I really feel
for the sake of not altering the way other people feel. This just
feels like depression and lately I have been wondering why I keep
waking up.
--
Paul.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:52:44 -0600
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: OT: Dream
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I had a dream about Jeanne C. last night. She is an email buddy on another
list I belong to. I dreamt that she introduced me to Harpo Marx. I remember
feeling very honored. Then I started thinking about the two other Jeannes
that I know, the one on this list (my stars!) and one in RL whom I only see
once a year at a Science Fiction convention. Then I wondered why I was
spending so much time thinking about 3 people I hardly knew.
Then I got to work and downloaded my email and found out that Jeanne C. had
overdosed on valium some time Sunday morning. (She had contracted HIV from
her abusive ex-husband, which most of us didn't know until her brother
wrote to us about it after she was gone.) She rarely said anything about
the state of her health, other than that she was deaf (as a result of her
husband's abuse, we found out later), and that she wasn't currently
employed. Her emails were always cheery and wacky and full of fun. She was
only 28 years old.
Kind of freaky. I don't usually dream about people I not only haven't met,
but don't know what they look like in the flesh.
It would be just like her to be hanging out with Harpo Marx, though. Her
posts were always so chatty (which even got her flamed off one of the
related email lists); maybe now she's trying to learn about silence while
still being able to laugh :)
have you hugged your email buddies today?,
amckeon
P.S. I had told her about the k list (the laid-back moderation style of our
list Mystress had appealed to her), and she was planning on signing up....
P.P.S. Virtual *hugs* to each and every one of you. You are all necessary
and appreciated, and that includes you lurkers!
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 16:21:34 +0100
From: Kathy <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Another wave of hefty K-manifestations
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Seem to be happening to a bunch of us right now, or is it merely selective perception?
As someone recently said, The following story never happened, but I will tell it as though it did:
One time (a short time ago) I was connecting with nature in a herbal sort of way, I was out in my garden and looking at
the trees and plants and animals, and goddess began dancing me...I mean my body was moving to a silent music, making hand
mudras and definitely dancing, this time it was not "tetany" (involuntary muscle contractions due to a bodily imbalance
of some sort) but *this* was definitely sacred dance. The experience made me think that perhaps the other "kriyas" or
"tetany" were merely goddess exercising my body, as Mystress suggests, getting me ready for a time when further activity
could take place...and this short time ago was when this activity began, in earnest.
The movement was sacred and body-connected, earthed, if you will...so it was a synthesis of two "minds" of sorts...my
traditionally-Christian-educated dualistic mind was set aside and my pagan wild earth mother mind...they came together
and realized that I could have both a fantastically sexual material body and a cosmic spiritual body working as one...
I think the "herbal" got the ego out of the way so that goddess could move in me...sounds equally dualistic, but it
really is not, it's just the best way I can describe the way it all felt.
The dance was really quite pleasant, spontaneous and free, and ecstatic, and it was almost like a promise from Shakti
that all the not-so-pleasant stuff was paying off, so to speak.
Just sharing some more interesting stuff, with this story (that of course never really happened)...
--Delirium
Date: 20 Apr 98 22:11:23 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: A dream
Message-Id: <353BC80B.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Amongst many other dreams, I had one a week or so ago which seemed to
give nothing away as to what it might mean.
Simply, I stood in my bedroom and looked out of the window and just
above the horizon was a brilliant orange sun.
That was absolutely all that happened. I wondered, perhaps
romantically, if it might be to represent the dawning of the age of
aquarius, even though that particular position on the horizon is where
the sun goes /down/. But I am now wondering if it might represent a
chakra (which people seem to spell as `cakra')? Perhaps again this is
a romantic interpretation.
Any ideas?
--
Paul.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:51:32 +0000
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: UweJohann <UweJohannATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: english lesson, off topic!
Message-ID: <353B52E2.2DC3ATnospamptialaska.net>
>
> Here is the forwarded inquiry from Anna;
>
> Hello!
> Can you help me ?
> My name is Anna and I am < attending> the 10. class (do you mean '10th grade class?)of the comprehensive
> school in Bonn - Beuel in (the 'in' is not neccesary!) Germany.
> I have written a repot <report> about John F. Kennedy. Can you tell me, if one (if one calls him 'you' previously in the sentence, one should be consistant in addressing him as 'you', at least in the same sentence!) can understand the report. The English grammar should be correct also. When you
> will write you opinions and Tips about the repot you can write to the eMail
> address of my father.
rewrite last sentence---->( When you find the time to write your
opinions and tips about the report, you can contact me at the e-mail
address of my father.)
>
> Thank you very much
> Anna
v: your welcome very much!
viva la Inglis, por favor!
;-)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:12:25 +0000
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Vandyke T SSgt 355MSS/DPMPE <vandykeATnospammss355.dm.af.mil>
CC: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>, CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: waiting on a friend(update)
Message-ID: <353B57C4.47B2ATnospamptialaska.net>
hi all,
well, after I decide if I should laugh with great gusto or weep tears
of pathos, in between the moments I stay with my computer Sophia &
grounding grounding grounding...
tis best to be neither coming OR going for this era.
Thanx a lot!
Gloria, I am now employed as a graphic & web designer in this little
impending tourist trap cut-throat 'dog eat dog' little idyllic burg by
the sea, in a 100 year old building that used to be a bordello down on
the dock. Naturally I am suddenly compelled to do lavish amounts of art,
in between doin these ding-danged website registration for this very
nice lady who runs her web design business from her boat just down the
ramp past the Yacht Club office!
cool beans, eh?
This morning I was wearing a scarf around my face like the Saudi Arabian
women, since the subsequent instability after the closure of the pulp
mill has everyone glowering at each other & back-stabbing their friends
& so on. the air is rife with resentment. But it is sorta that way
everywhere - isn't it right now?
My heart keeps wanting to open, only to slam dunk back hard closed
again!
It's rather like a dance, but not the tango!
well... life keeps on keepin on...
:-)
vc
hangin in there
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:13:44 -0400
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Truth and Love
Message-ID: <353BC897.C09BD158ATnospambryant.edu>
Jerry Katz wrote:
> Harsh Luthar wrote:
> >
> > Jerry Katz wrote:
> >
> > > > > Love is not enough. Only Truth.
> > > >
> > > > Harsha: First Find out what Love Is! Love and Truth are Same Jerry!
> > >
> > > Jerry: Truth is beyond Love.
> >
> > Harsha: Now, Jerry, we come to the heart of the issue. You say that Truth is Beyond Love. The
> > operational word for you here is Beyond. Why should the Truth be Beyond Love? If Truth is Beyond
> > Love, then there must be something Beyond that "Truth" as well. After all, when you say (and
> > postulate) that an entity or a non-entity such as "Truth" is Beyond "something", all you are
> > doing is holding on to Duality for dear life! Because, then for you, The "Truth Beyond" is
> > different than the "Love (or Truth)" now! Why should the Truth be Beyond anything at all? Is
> > this "Beyond" you Jerry. Because if it is then it must be the "Truth" according to your own
> > definition!: --).
>
> Jerry: It's okay to say to one that Truth is beyond Love. To another that it is
> beyond The Guru. To still another that it is beyond Oneness. It is just
> another way of saying that whatever you adhere to has to be released in
> order to know Truth. That includes love. It doesn't mean you stop
> loving. It should free you to love more.
> snip.....
Harsha: It is okay to say that Truth and Love are the Same. It is just another way of saying that
Self-Realization is of the nature of Fullness and Completeness and does not admit of dichotomies. It
does not mean you stop loving at the human level, but that you Realize the True Nature of Love. It is
Freedom It Self.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:48:32 -0400
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, margolisATnospamtransbay.net
Subject: Curious??
Message-ID: <353BD0C0.D6CB729FATnospambryant.edu>
Susan Carlson wrote:
> >In watching the threads on enlightenment here, some times i feel that
> the writers are talking about a love affair with an unreachable,
> unfathomable, desirable woman (at least it seems the men do) and are
> incapable of describing what will be so after their union with this
> Goddess.( I hope it's more than nothing, Anandajyoti, because you seem
> to be something of a sensual romantic about sublime shakti, as so does
> Harsha :D)
Harsha: Enlightenment certainly does appear to have different meanings for
different people (and in different traditions and philosophies). In the
context of Advaita Vedanta, the term "Self-Realization" is used.
I prefer to use the term Self-Recognition. On this path the term
Enlightenment
denotes Non-dual and Absolute Consciousness which is Recognized with Perfect
Clarity in Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi when mind has subsided into the Self.
Here Self Sees IT Self by It Self and Through It Self (without any hindering
karmic
medium). This is also called the state of Sat-Chit- Ananda. Beyond that
there is Sahaj Samadhi only, which describes the realization of the Sage for
whom Non-dual consciousness has become natural and Divine communion is
continuous (unbroken by any other state of consciousness including deep
sleep,
dream sleep or Superconscious states of any type).
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:29:14 +0000
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Only you
Message-ID: <353B5B46.52C7ATnospamptialaska.net>
>paulw: without forming that attitude out of my own consciousness and BEING
> that thing. I couldn't hate evil without becoming that hatefulness.
> Even simple orientative perceptions such as to judge how far something
> was away from me, was a measurement and an image in my consciousness,
> part of myself. And there were all sorts of things, therefore, that I
> was thinking were not me, and which I was hating. Every mental comment
> I had about anyone `bad' was only made possible by having that
> attitude about a part of my own wholeness. The only way to perceive
> those things was to be those things. And I did wonder why the hell I'd
> used my mind as a kind of labelling tool to such a degree when all it
> did was fragment me.
>
> So I figure that maybe the only person we actually perceive is a
> oneness. Regardless of wether we are in ourselves complete or broken
> into pieces, we still only ever look at a singular whole. Memories we
> have about people from our past which we project on them, is only made
> possible by cutting a part of ourselves away.
v: theoretically that is what all the sages keep trying to tell us -
that "we are all one" like a gargantuan, unfathomable ameliorated
meglamesh of neurons & protons & electrical impulses from synapses, but
- I dunno about that gang of thugs who just brutally raped that poor
little girl out the road. I don't think they are any relationship to a
sensitive & compassionate terran just trying to make it work
unparasitically.
who are those 'others'? what brand of animal are they anyway???
>
>paulw: I have been having problems for some time with trying to please
> everyone. I feel that I have to keep a person happy and that to
> facilitate this I have to basically lie, and then it makes me
> physically ill and I start to reach uncontrollably. And then I feel
> that I don't want to be there and that the only way to get away from
> it is to lie even more. There seems to be a darker side to
> pleasantness. I keep losing myself, keep denying the way I really feel
> for the sake of not altering the way other people feel. This just
> feels like depression and lately I have been wondering why I keep
> waking up.
v: wow. you're really lucky!
I have 'terrorist blood' on my mother's side, both Basque & Apache, & as
a spiritual seeker I have to overcome the tendency to want to bury
people in the dirt up to their head by an anthill & pour honey over
them!
*lol*
ps (i never *would*, but would sure like to, in some cases!)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 18:36:44 -0600
From: meATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: OT: Afraid to Post?
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Forwarded from another list:
"Try my new skin thickener, it works! I invented my own skin thickener. Rub it
on every night at midnight all over your body, it smells a little, but never
mind that! Now here's the most important part, say ten times "I don't care
what others say, I am A OK" Sleep on it and in the morning your skin will be
just a tad thicker, in one months time you won't care who agrees or disagrees
with you.
Send 50$, cash only, to:
FairyGodmother
1234 Fairytale Lane
Land of Oz, State of confusion
Money back guarantee"
enjoy!
amckeon
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:06:51 -0700
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Only you
Message-ID: <353BE319.670A68A8ATnospamtransbay.net>
> v: theoretically that is what all the sages keep trying to tell us -
> that "we are all one" like a gargantuan, unfathomable ameliorated
> meglamesh of neurons & protons & electrical impulses from synapses, but
Not all theologies hold with the oness in the sense of an oversoul. That is
one of the rifts between Hinduism and Buddhism. One Buddhist analogy to our
relationship is that each of us are individual gems floating in a giant
network. As generate/reflect light we shine on the others around us and
reflect the light they are shining on us. Everybody is interelated and
interdependent but we aren't all one in a certain sense of oness.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:00:23 EDT
From: WHYASK <WHYASKATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Moving forward
Message-ID: <58322b1.353be19aATnospamaol.com>
I am trying to change from being low and unhappy.
Thank you for your efforts to help me. I feel there is hope for me. I feel a
change has begun. It is hard.
I need your support. Please help. I am trying very hard.
Kristin
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