1998/04/20 11:10
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #311
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 311
Today's Topics:
Re: Introduction to me [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Introduction to me [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
english lesson, off topic! [ UweJohann <UweJohannATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Buzzing - was : Introduction to [ croatonATnospambanet.net (Jack) ]
RE: curious [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: Introduction to me [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Introduction to me [ Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co ]
Re: Power of words [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Can I introduce Myself? [ "Peter A. Salzman" <psalzmanATnospamwesley ]
Re: Power of words and Silence [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Head tingles....was...Re: Introducti [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Date: 20 Apr 98 16:01:19 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction to me
Message-Id: <353B7134.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> Hi Paul!
Hello, nice to meet you.
> You might be interested to read an article Ken Ring wrote for New Age
> Journal about 6 or 7 years back that addressed his view of the
> alien-abduction phaenomenon. As best I can remember it his take was that
> its a type of spiritual experience that some people call to themselves. It
> might be helpful ...
I feel that I prefer to figure stuff out for myself. I have pretty
much come to my own conclusion that all of the abduction stuff was
(not the past tense) part of my learning to face my unconscious self
and finding my soul and other spiritual angles.
Incidently, the other night I was feeling quite good and abnormally
unemotional. I was starting to see the fruitlessness of emotionalism
and was sort of growing up. I decided I wanted to watch the film Close
Encounters of the third kind, a favourite. Usually I like it so much
because it's quite emotional but I was seeing it in a non-emotional
way that time. It's interesting when you look at something in a
different way. Anyhow, that night the only `dream' I had was to be
confronted by three aliens standing side by side looking at me. That
was all that happened. They were humanoid, thin, big eyes and that
like those `greys' or whatever, but their mouths were more human. I
felt it was kind of a new approach, a new confidence, a new attitude
towards cooperation.
> A shaman I worked with once was used to this kind of stuff happening. There
> are all kinds of little spirits around who like to do stuff to throw folks
> off balance--playing jokes mostly. Just thank them for it or laugh and let
> it go. The more Aware you become the more of this stuff you'll notice. Its
> a part of the natural world like leaves on a tree ... nothing to get upset
> about.
Thankyou for that advice but I cannot take your word for it. Sorry to
sound perhaps negative, but I know different. I know what it means to
ask and receive. Not all the time, only when I'm relaxed enough. When
there is enough stillness in my mind. I am generally an observing sort
of a person more than the interacting sort. Sometimes I simply observe
without mental comment, and in that observation I sometimes make the
most gentle yet confident statements, in which I `know' without
question, and with the very subtlest part of my identity I ask for
something. It is not like normal thought questions. It is that your
consciousness itself becomes the shape of the fact about what it is
wisely intending. At the very root of your being, deep inside
yourself, just a little fluctuation in the mind with immense honesty.
It's like instructing a tool to do something, and it does it, the
universe responds and it is provided. Maybe yes there was a naughty
spirit involved or something but the part with the window and other
events on other occasions were facts of reality. You could call them
miracles but their nature is not fantastical.
> I feel hands on my body a lot, and when my K was very active I also heard
> my name and "Hello!", not to mention one morning I got the hear the music
> of the spheres. I thought I was dying! But the instant I tensed up i
> couldn't hear it anymore so I relaxed and listened until I fell asleep.
I recall one instance in another dream where I was kind of floating
above my bed, yet still under the covers, and hundreds of hands were
all over my body. I was very happy at the time.
> > I guess my own fears were getting in the way.
>
> Absolutly.
I have been trying to look through the fear to see that the source is
benevolent.
> But its an acclimation process. More contact you have with your
> source or guide the less afraid you'll be because you'll trust more.
Yes I do have more trust nowadays.
> Try to
> develop the relationship with the guide. Build familiarity with your
> source. Meditate on him/her/it and have *long* conversations. When you
> trust your guide more, all the freaky stuff won't frighten you. You'll just
> observe and move on.
Yes I am better at it than I used to be. Yesterday while writing my
story I started to recall the negative times and that. I think I also
heard that whispering voice call my name again. Only this time it was
gentler and less spooky. And I didn't get roped in, and I slept well.
Something I read someone saying just recently was that if you
concentrate on negative things they increase. I also heard that long
ago someone telling me that if you focus on a cancer it grows. So I
had happy thoughts.
BTW, do you ever associate the words of a song as being a personal
message to you? It usually happens to me in times of need and emotion,
but even with a clear mind it is sometimes as if a message.
Thanks for the chat.
--
Paul.
Date: 20 Apr 98 15:41:36 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction to me
Message-Id: <353B6CAF.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi Am.
> I have, in the last few months, had the very same "massaging" on my scalp,
> not however the feeling of a thousand fingers but perhaps one or two.
I was probably exaggerating about it being thousands but it's not as
though they could be counted.
> And,
> yes, it seems as if they reach right into your brain or something like that.
A lot of the time, generally, everyday, I have minor activity on top
of my head. If there is every anything I am realising of discovering
the top of my head gets little twitches and vibrations. I feel it is
too persevering to simply be a twitch or a medical thing as it only
happens when I am having some minor or major revelation.
> It is always a very gentle movement and I let it just happen.
Yes, I forgot about that - I just let it happen, just observed it as
it didn't seem hostile. I also felt someone was doing it to me and I
associated it with God, but maybe that was only something I added.
> It seems to me
> that this happened to me years ago because I remember brushing the sensation
> away with my hand, thinking that it was a spider or whatever but since it
> happened mostly at night. Nowadays, it happens wherever i am, sometimes in
> the car as well. And at times now, really cool air seems to come out of my
> third eye or my crown, last night it actually poured out from a place just
> above my right eybrow. At other times I feel a warmth inestead, almost as if
> someone were to stand in front of me and gently breeze into my face or onto
> my head.
Sometimes while travelling, for example on a bus, the windows will all
be shut and I might be in need of air because I start to get nauseous,
and sometimes I suddenly get a cool breeze blowing accross me. Can't
be sure about its origin though.
--
Paul.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:41:57 EDT
From: UweJohann <UweJohannATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: english lesson, off topic!
Message-ID: <9d2be26.353b7ad6ATnospamaol.com>
Dear perfectly english-writing friends,
this is off topic but for one person, my daughter Anna of importance. My
english knowledge isn't enough to help her, so I am looking for one, who can
help.
If there is a volunteer, who wants to take a look at the report (3 pages
only), please let me know, I will send the report to her or him to read.
Please contact me privately, not on the list, to avoid to much trafic.
Thanks, the only k-english-reading one
Uwe
Here is the forwarded inquiry from Anna;
Hello!
Can you help me ?
My name is Anna and I am attendancing the 10. class of the comprehensive
school in Bonn - Beuel in Germany.
I have written a repot about John F. Kennedy. Can you tell me, if one can
understand the report. The English grammar should be correct also. When you
will write you opinions and Tips about the repot you can write to the eMail
address of my father.
Thank you very much
Anna
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:12:08 GMT
From: croatonATnospambanet.net (Jack)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Buzzing - was : Introduction to me - long
Message-ID: <353b81e3.9939720ATnospamsmtp.banet.net>
Paul wrote:
Reading a book in bed late one night, relaxed, the entire crown of my
head became alive with energy which was alike something I've read
relating to kundalini - thousands of massaging fingers.
Am responds:
It seems to me that this happened to me years ago because I remember
brushing the sensation away with my hand, thinking that it was a
spider or whatever but since it happened mostly at night. Nowadays, it
happens wherever i am, sometimes in the car as well. I'm writing this
as much to you Paul as also to the list because I must hear >more on
this head-massaging. How many other people have/are experiencing this?
am
I say:
This has been my experience as well... seems as if a colony of bugs
have moved in... and then it's gone for awhile. Brushing the imaginary
spider away - yep, do it all the time.
Blessings dor
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what the buzzing led to, for me.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Loki
Hours later, I surface from the dreamless, deep black limbo. My head
is vibrating with an irregularly modulating static buzz that makes me
feel irritable, on edge. My body feels weak, yet is hot and tense, as
if all my ligaments were being pulled too tight, and tied up in a
little knot at the top of my head.
On the nightstand is an unopened bottle of spring water. I open it
and take several sips. But it's not enough to pull together a
cohesive unified field.
My body and my shadow stand, and begin to perform, in tandem, an
elaborate and seemingly random series of stretches and movements. I
let go, cooperate, try to feel my body's intent then the
movements gain purpose and momentum, contraction, extension,
compression, drawing in and out, filtering, circulating, manipulating,
balancing, massaging the energy, directing it, pulling it back, closer
to the core.
When I finally stop, my body is light and fluid, but my head's still
not completely clear, the fuzzy buzzing still lingers.
Loki's been teaching me for weeks, but I'm still not sure what it
is that I've learned. Her lessons saturate all of our encounters at
levels that are still a mystery to me. Even when we seem to be
engaging in nothing more than normal conversation, a part of me is
absorbing the essence of something else, something abstract that can't
be described, that is absorbed deep within the silent meshings of my
awareness and is held there in secret until I'm able to reach it, to
embody it energetically.
The last time I manifested Loki, we'd talked about the power of light.
She told me that we humans are creatures of light--that we resonate to
the energy of light's colors throughout every level of our being. She
began to describe the various hues of delicate silks that were draped
on sunlit windows in ancient Egypt. As she spoke, I was transported
to a large, cool, high ceilinged, room furnished with nothing but a
few simple wooden stools. The walls were made of huge blocks of cream
colored limestone and it had a small, west facing window.
I could see translucent, sunlit silks fluttering lazily in the window
... could feel the hot, dry, intermittent breeze on my face and lips
.... could smell the dust and unfamiliar aromas of another place and
time.
Loki's voice bounced off the stone walls and echoed in the room,
even though she spoke softly, "The Ancients knew the secrets of light
energy, but they lost the pure thrust, the abstract knowledge of it,
by indulging, as humans are wont to do".
I could hear the smile in her voice. "Perhaps you will understand
this Croaton, as you are such a lover of words and definitions,
words have the power to solidify things, to make them concrete,
immutable. That is what the ancients did, and it is what you still do
today. The universe, and everything in it, is constantly in motion.
Words carved in stone may seem to be timeless but stone is
vulnerable to the wind and elements, every edifice crumbles to dust
in time .... "
"The ancients defined and redefined the secret of light energy until
they'd stripped it of all meaning. Their words were hollow they
imparted no pure knowledge of the power of light .... but they did
succeed admirably in obscuring the most basic truths."
"What are the most basic truths about the power of light energy?"
I asked.
Loki didn't answer me and in a heartbeat, the vacuum created by her
silence pulled me back to where we actually were at the time.
Loki was smiling and relaxed, as if nothing had happened, her gaze
fixed on me. She turned to me and said casually, "Why don't you ...
experiment with the colors of light and see for yourself?"
After several minutes of on again/off again inner dialogue ... the
silence drowns out all sound .... and feeling prevails ... I sense
something ... a vibrational field around my head ... it feels as if I
have the energetic equivalent of Frankenstein bolts in my temples.
They buzz on a vertical plane, on either side of my head, in opposite
circular motion.
I close my eyes and focus on the sensation of the energetic bolts
until a new sensation dominates. A circle of energy is racing around
and around at the level of my forehead, in the center. The circle
extends out about a foot, on a horizontal plane. It begins to
accelerate. I go with it, following the motion with my eyes under
closed lids. This circular motion somehow affects the so called,
energy bolts in my temples, which seem to diminish their activity.
After a few minutes, the feeling of motion ceases altogether, as the
sensations in my head resolve into a unified vibration, almost like a
high pitch.
My attention is now focused on the obvious duality of my energy body.
I can feel the asynchrony of my two sides. The left side seems to be
made of many vertical bands, or strings, of rapidly vibrating energy.
The right side feels as if it's spiraling chaotically. I go into the
asynchronous sensations and ride them. The ride is like a non-stop
roller coaster but I stay with it anyway. Gradually I feel my energy
halves beginning to synchronize. Their patterns superimpose into
something that gives me the impression of an active, energetic
Rorschach blot in the center of my inner field of vision. The
intensity of the sensations diminishes eventually becoming a mild, but
pleasant, synchronous, full body buzz.
I know that it's time to stop.
I put off thinking about this experience for as long as I can.
Thoughts are addictive. One thought leads to another, and then
another, and another and before you know it, you've got several mental
channels running simultaneously, canceling out, with all their
static, the frequencies that have just barely been aligned. I take a
long, hot shower that washes the residue of fatigue and desiccated
cosmic crap from the surface.
end
Jack
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:11:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kyira_korriganATnospamdynapro.com (Kyira Korrigan - DTI,MF)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: curious
Message-Id: <199804201711.MAA20196ATnospamdfw-ix8.ix.netcom.com>
If I understand what you're saying about transcendental experiences
causing shockwaves across the timeline (a big if!), I would extend the
idea to any jump in consciousness -- the "aha" experience in
psychotherapy, for example, or maybe even corollary experiences in the
consciousness of plants and other animals, etc. During my initial
experience with k, I got a vision of jumps in consciousness being fuel
for the energy and movement of the universe -- sort of God's way of
making "more" and increasingly intricate forms of God. And, yes, to
the extent we consciously participate in this process, we're doing
something worthwhile. Holly
Date: 20 Apr 98 17:47:46 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction to me
Message-Id: <353B8A42.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> This scalp massage, what I call my "beenie full of ants," was spoken of at the
> Kundalini Research Network conference last fall by a presenter named Joan
> Harrigan, a Ph. D and a "brahmacarini" or something. She said the phenomenon
> was kundalini refining the "vayus" (a good thing). I believe it happens after
> the chakras have been refined up to the brow (ajna). Sorry I can't give you
> more details at the moment. I purchased her booklet, called Kundalini Vidya,
> but it is buried in mid-moving chaos as I try to pack-up my library. I'll be
> unsubscribing for awhile to move and then take a vacation in "la belle
> france." I'll miss you all.
I had imagined that the massaging fingers event, due to it being my
first major event, signalled the start of or the awakening of my
kundalini. I have also heard though, as you suggest too, that it's
meant to happen when refining has already worked its way up to the
top. So does this mean it could have started years ago?
--
Paul.
Date: 20 Apr 98 17:45:19 +0000
From: Paul West <paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: onarresATnospaminreach.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Introduction to me
Message-Id: <353B89AF.MD-0.196.paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> This has been my experience as well... seems as if a colony of bugs have
> moved in... and then it's gone for awhile. Brushing the imaginary spider
> away - yep, do it all the time.
I can particularly be affecting by a moving piece of music which when
it reaches a climax of a high note or something the top of my head
tingles a lot.
--
Paul.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:21:40 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Power of words
Message-ID: <353BBC64.253AATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Harsh Luthar wrote:
>
> Harsha: There is no exertion in Self Recognition. Words do occur in the domain of
> > relative consciousness. In this arena, the same words used by different people have
> > different energies behind them and therefore exert different influences. This is why
> > sometimes we say "Your words are wise but empty."
Jerry:
I think words should not be wise. They should be empty. I trust
emptiness. That is wisdom. Wise words are empty. They hold up the void.
> Jerry Katz wrote:
>
> > I think it's great that words have an impact or exert a force of truth.
> > None of that is Truth.
> Harsha: Words occur in the domain of relative consciousness. When they have the force of
> Truth behind them, they indicate or point to The Truth. The Source of the Words is a
> critical factor in this indication.
> > Jerry: But they only serve as lubricant for the engines that power one into
> > atmosphere of Truth. I don't want to be where there is magic.
> Harsha: No one stops you! Be where ever you want to be!
>
> > Love is not enough. Only Truth.
>
> Harsha: First Find out what Love Is! Love and Truth are Same Jerry!
Jerry: Truth is beyond Love.
> > Jerry: Wordless. Magicless. Loveless. It is beyond I
> > AM. The realm Ramana hardly, if ever, spoke of.
>
> Harsha: Which brings us to the point that the listener is important too! What can Ramana
> do?
Jerry: Nisasrgadatta did it. Same listeners. Different times though.
> > Jerry: It is real nondualism, hardly spoken of on my website. Nisargadatta in his book I
> > Am That occasionally speaks of real nondualism.
> Harsha: There is no real nondualism Jerry! There is only Reality! But if it is any
> consolation, there is fake nondualism! And plenty of it!
Jerry: There is no "There is only Reality;" it is only stated to be the
case. It is all fake. Illusion. That is why we begin with disciplined
meditation and grow from there. It is all fake, or illusory. Nobody
should adhere to anyone's words. Maybe a little curiosity, a movement of
the intuition toward them; that's it.
By real nondualism I mean that which by one means or another points to
the Absolute. Relatively speaking, it is fake, because it is only
pointing.
If there's ever money or power in it, you'll see phony nondualism, which
I think is what you really mean. You will sometimes find me engaging in
phony nondualism, like when I feel like being silent but feel I have to
say something. Everyone's guilty of that in the workplace to one degree
or another. And we are in a kind of workplace here, with a discipline of
attention to others required so that stability and growth can happen.
It's okay though. We've come to know each other.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:33:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Peter A. Salzman" <psalzmanATnospamwesleyan.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Can I introduce Myself?
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Hello,
My name is Peter Salzman. I am 23 years old. I find it scary and beautiful
to be connecting to this network. I am young and have found very few in my
life who I have been able to really share my experiences with in a way
that doesn't make me feel misunderstood, alienated, crazy, or entangled. I
practice Judaism and yet have been influenced by other practices including
Buddhism and Yoga... Kundalini manifested for me during a 10 day Vipassana
meditation course last year when I was a senior at Wesleyan University
over winter break. I was 22. The year before I had been in Israel studying
very intensely with a Hasidic sect known as Breslov and studied Kabbalah
and Hasidism with them. I believe the intensity of practice and study that
I engaged in while in Israel and the years of seeking and longing for the
Spirit before that are contributing factors leading to the awakening.
Since birth I have been exposed to religion in a universal way and I have
also had extensive experience with psychadelics especially from my years
as an undergraduate anthropology and religion major at Wesleyan. I was
born on The Farm in Tennessee. The teacher and founder there was and is
Stephen Gaskin. That name and place may not be familiar to some, but The
Farm and Stephen Gaskin's influences on my life and in my path soak me to
the bone. When I was sitting in the meditation hall and the thin stream
began rising and bubbling as if from a spring from the base of my spine I
remembered something Stephen had said even though I didn't really know
what was happening. He said, "For folks who awaken Kundalini who don't
have a guide or a proper understanding its easy for them to nutty right
out. They start seeing God or feeling like God and they need someone there
to help them integrate the whole thing; someone who recognizes the
Godliness unfolding in their heart and the beauty of that but who helps
you not to fall into ego traps or power trips that can come with that
kind of unfolding..." I need that... I have gone and will continue to go
as far as I can through research and intuition but I do feel alone and
in need of healing... its been violent and stormy so far and its only been
just recently that I've felt like refuge in the eye of the Hurricaine is
possible...
Thank you for your time and consideration.
B'Shalom,
Peter Salzman
psalzmanATnospamwesleyan.edu
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:53:09 -0400
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Power of words and Silence
Message-ID: <353B8B85.7D0F8AECATnospambryant.edu>
Jerry Katz wrote:
> > > Love is not enough. Only Truth.
> >
> > Harsha: First Find out what Love Is! Love and Truth are Same Jerry!
>
> Jerry: Truth is beyond Love.
Harsha: Now, Jerry, we come to the heart of the issue. You say that Truth is Beyond Love. The
operational word for you here is Beyond. Why should the Truth be Beyond Love? If Truth is Beyond
Love, then there must be something Beyond that "Truth" as well. After all, when you say (and
postulate) that an entity or a non-entity such as "Truth" is Beyond "something", all you are
doing is holding on to Duality for dear life! Because, then for you, The "Truth Beyond" is
different than the "Love (or Truth)" now! Why should the Truth be Beyond anything at all? Is
this "Beyond" you Jerry. Because if it is then it must be the "Truth" according to your own
definition!: --).
Jerry: I think words should not be wise. They should be empty. I trust
emptiness. That is wisdom. Wise words are empty. They hold up the void.
Harsha: Consider my words then to be the empty words. Trust them. They hold up the void.
Laughing and loving in Silence...........Harsha
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:07:46 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Head tingles....was...Re: Introduction to me
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Hi,
Peg wrote:
>She said the phenomenon
>was kundalini refining the "vayus" (a good thing).
But what IS the "vayus?"
And are the rest of you into scratching the tops of your heads to relieve
the tingle? I hafta go into my monkey act 20 or 30 times a day.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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>This scalp massage, what I call my "beenie full of ants," was spoken of at
the
>Kundalini Research Network conference last fall by a presenter named Joan
>Harrigan, a Ph. D and a "brahmacarini" or something. She said the
phenomenon
>was kundalini refining the "vayus" (a good thing). I believe it happens
after
>the chakras have been refined up to the brow (ajna). Sorry I can't give
you
>more details at the moment. I purchased her booklet, called Kundalini
Vidya,
>but it is buried in mid-moving chaos as I try to pack-up my library. I'll
be
>unsubscribing for awhile to move and then take a vacation in "la belle
>france." I'll miss you all.
>
>A bientot,
>Peg
>
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