1998/04/20 07:06
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #309
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 309
Today's Topics:
Re: curious [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
re: curious [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: symptoms [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality serio [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Introduction to me [ Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net> ]
Re: HRTZEN: waiting on a friend [ AES3DDD <AES3DDDATnospamaol.com> ]
HEAD MESSAGING [ Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospams ]
Re: curious [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: symptoms [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: curious [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: who's in my attic? [ EdElkin <EdElkinATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: who's in my attic? [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
(Mawlana Jalal al-Din Rumi, Masnavi [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
just so you know [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Que? [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
candle [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
RE:Introduction to me [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality serio [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:03:30 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: curious
Message-ID: <353AC912.58FAATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Susan Carlson wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> All this talk about what enlightenment is...so what's going to happen to
> you once you are it?
>
> What's Its purpose? And what's It after That? Is Being all there Is?
>
> Maybe I become so full of light will I be able to glow in the dark so I
> can read at night?
>
> Just wondering what it means in practical applications.
>
> Susan
having absolutely no need for anything at all including life and death,
the freedom to do anything and go anywhere,
because there isn't anything to do and nowhere to go,
meeting girls who fall for this enlightenment bullshit,
no fear,
(although often being scared shitless),
joy with people who don't give a shit about spiritual stuff
(which happens to be the people closest to me)
and because you have very few needs and no desires, you have lots of
money left over for Chinese food,
that's the most important thing.
Do you know how many enlightened people it takes to change a light bulb?
The same as the number of unenlightened people.
I don't think there's much use for enlightenment or anything else for
that matter.
With love,
jerry
______________
Nondualism
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
"I have taken the step beyond the extremely transcendental. I am the
final celebrity."
The Wild Song of Standing Free, Ch. 3, V. 12
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:12:47 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: re: curious
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Susan wrote:
>Did that, know that, understand that...and then?
You get to put your name on winners list, and then you go down to Toys R Us
and buy another game.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:42:31 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: symptoms
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Thanks Susan for the ending lines. When I had downloaded it, somehow the
last few lines did not come at all.
Cheers
Sandeep
-----Original Message-----
From: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Monday, April 20, 1998 03:28 AM
Subject: symptoms
>Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:47:14 +0530
> From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
> To: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
> Subject: Symptoms of Inner Peace
>
>
>I love this every time I see it. Its from the Olympic Fellowship of
>Reconciliation Newsletter, Issue 63, 1986. I believe they were an
>outgrowth from the Course in Miracles.
>
>Blessings,
>Susan
>
>PS
>The end of it goes:
>
>If you have all or even most of the above symptoms, please be advised
>that your condition may be too far advanced to turn back. If you are
>exposed to anyone exhibiting several of these symptoms, remain exposed
>at your own risk. This condition of Inner Peace is likely well into its
>infectious stage. Be forewarned.
>
>
>______________________
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>
>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:08:22 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality seriously
Message-ID: <353AF466.5E55ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
> I like to speak from
> all sorts of dispositions, not taking any of them, including the
> nondual, seriously. There are all sorts of listeners and I am all sorts
> of speakers. >>
Dear Harsha:
I mailed two versions of Re: IS-NESS. In one version the paragraph
quoted above was deleted. My intent was to mail only the version with
the deletion. But email is so alive it got loose on me. I stand by the
deletion. Do not think of the paragraph above!
Always,
Jerry
________
Nonduality
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
"I am an order of silence; not the silence of sound or the silence of no
sound. I am neither the silence of the one nor the silence of the zero.
I am the silence of the information interval. I am the silence of the
interval. That is what I am."
The Wild Song of Standing Free, Ch.3, V. 26
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:02:11 -0400
From: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Introduction to me
Message-Id: <199804200502.BAA09841ATnospamadan.kingston.net>
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>Reading a book in bed late one night, relaxed, the entire crown of my head
became
>alive with energy which was alike something I've read relating to kundalini -
>thousands of massaging fingers. It penetrated a good inch into my scalp,
and was
>several inches in diameter. I was not afraid in any way. It was almost
>reassuring.
Welcome Paul. I found your account highly interesting but the above
paragrapj really did it to me. :)
I have, in the last few months, had the very same "massaging" on my scalp,
not however the feeling of a thousand fingers but perhaps one or two. And,
yes, it seems as if they reach right into your brain or something like that.
It is always a very gentle movement and I let it just happen. It seems to me
that this happened to me years ago because I remember brushing the sensation
away with my hand, thinking that it was a spider or whatever but since it
happened mostly at night. Nowadays, it happens wherever i am, sometimes in
the car as well. And at times now, really cool air seems to come out of my
third eye or my crown, last night it actually poured out from a place just
above my right eybrow. At other times I feel a warmth inestead, almost as if
someone were to stand in front of me and gently breeze into my face or onto
my head.
I'm writing this as much to you Paul as also to the list because I must hear
more on this head-massaging. How many other people have/are experiencing this?
PEACE and LOVE
Am
We are EVERYTHING and we are NOTHING
(gleaned from an NDE account)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 01:48:43 EDT
From: AES3DDD <AES3DDDATnospamaol.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: CYBERMINDATnospamlistserv.aol.com, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: HRTZEN: waiting on a friend
Message-ID: <60f9d48e.353ae1bdATnospamaol.com>
Dear Valierie, Anita here. I, too, am sorry this happened to your daughter and
hope all the advice you were given has helped. One thought that occurred to me
was that God has interesting ways of having us deal with certain areas of our
lives we'd just as soon forget. Remember that we CHOOSE karmic lessons, from
the spirit, where things look very different than they do from the physical
standpoint. I didn't get help for being molested as a child until I almost
married a child molester (of course I didn't know that about him at the time).
But the individual counselling and therapy I received helped greatly and
helped explain some of my somewhat strange behavior at times. Please know that
my love is with you and that you and your daughter are in my prayers. Also,
hope you've followed Gloria's advice and have gotten more details which then
helps you make the right decisions. And it also always helps to ask God to
show you what this is all about. Love, Anita. One for all and all for one.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:49:08 -0700
From: Geryl and Mark Waind <gandm.waindATnospamsympatico.ca>
To: Am <heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: HEAD MESSAGING
Message-ID: <353AFDF4.937ATnospamsympatico.ca>
Am wrote:
>
> >Reading a book in bed late one night, relaxed, the entire crown of my head
> became
> >alive with energy which was alike something I've read relating to kundalini -
> >thousands of massaging fingers. It penetrated a good inch into my scalp,
> and was
> >several inches in diameter. I was not afraid in any way. It was almost
> >reassuring.
>
> Welcome Paul. I found your account highly interesting but the above
> paragrapj really did it to me. :)
>
> I have, in the last few months, had the very same "massaging" on my scalp,
> not however the feeling of a thousand fingers but perhaps one or two. And,
> yes, it seems as if they reach right into your brain or something like that.
> It is always a very gentle movement and I let it just happen. It seems to me
> that this happened to me years ago because I remember brushing the sensation
> away with my hand, thinking that it was a spider or whatever but since it
> happened mostly at night. Nowadays, it happens wherever i am, sometimes in
> the car as well. And at times now, really cool air seems to come out of my
> third eye or my crown, last night it actually poured out from a place just
> above my right eybrow. At other times I feel a warmth inestead, almost as if
> someone were to stand in front of me and gently breeze into my face or onto
> my head.
>
> I'm writing this as much to you Paul as also to the list because I must hear
> more on this head-massaging. How many other people have/are experiencing this?
>
> PEACE and LOVE
>
> Am
> We are EVERYTHING and we are NOTHING
>
> (gleaned from an NDE account)
DEAR AM: 'Tis I, mark. And you know very well my account on head
messaging. Only with me it is more like Scotty has a "tractor beam' on
my crown; pulling me around. I also feel what I would call a buzzing,
itching, glowing type of pressure that feels much like a "diamond" in
the middle of my forehead. This causes a messaging effect that moves
from my crown to the bridge of my nose. I absolutely love this feeling!
Bring on the dancing horses! Wherever they may roam!
mark
ge da nop o
mznop o
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:06:16 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, margolisATnospamtransbay.net
Subject: Re: curious
Message-ID: <19980420060617.6820.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>Susan Carlson wrote in a couple e-mails:
>
>> All this talk about what enlightenment is...so what's going to happen
>> to you once you are it? What's Its purpose?
>
>Why does an apple tree bear fruit? Is it to allow birds to eat it? Is
it
>to make people drunk off of apple cider? Is it to reproduce more apple
>trees?
>
>If you asked an apple tree it wouldn't know what you were talking about
its
>something it does not explains.
So what is the result of enlightenment? If a tree bears fruit there are
several uses of the fruit and....
Are you assuming the tree is capable of conscious thought and is self
aware? I am not asking a tree what enlightenment is for I have not heard
of trees pursuing enlightenment.What's so hard about describing the
enlightened person? "If you have to ask, you arent" response is a vanity
answer.(Not saying that you say this, just anticipating this response
from others).
>
>> So what are the traits of an enlightened person? Can we list them?
>
>Let me get my tire pressure gauge out and measure the color of
water....
Do you think my question is foolish? Why pursue something if you dont
know what's happening after you catch it? If you dont know, why not say
so?
>
>>Can anybody add anything?
>
>No but hopefully somebody will be able to subtract a few
misconceptions...
>
>
> Dan M.
Normally, I dont contribute to the threads about enlightenment, but I
was at the bookstore on Saturday afternoon and saw a large journal with
the title called, "what is enlightenment" edited by Andrew Cohen.
The spring/summer edition was about....Sex.
There was an interview of Miranda Shaw who recently authored a book
called 'Passionate Enlightenment:women in Tantric Buddhism'.
Some people know and most dont know that Enlightenment can come thru
sexual union(in this view)and the woman is the vehicle for the
enlightenment of the man. She is the Goddess and the man worships at the
gates of the sacred Yoni.
I dont claim to be tantric in any way, especially when I read that
traditional tantrics spend at least 5 years contemplating emptiness
first before they start the regular practice of tantra. I think the
western version of that is knowing that life has no meaning.
In watching the threads on enlightenment here, some times i feel that
the writers are talking about a love affair with an unreachable,
unfathomable, desirable woman (at least it seems the men do) and are
incapable of describing what will be so after their union with this
Goddess.( I hope it's more than nothing, Anandajyoti, because you seem
to be something of a sensual romantic about sublime shakti, as so does
Harsha :D)
Other times Enlightenment seems to be discussed and mapped and
postulated about ( along with K)but it feels to me about as revealing as
dissecting the brain to look for consciousness. Information helps that
is gleaned from these discussions that is for sure but we dont seem to
be moving any closer for all the knowing.
There are results of being enlightened or are there only the
illusory,ethereal hopes and desires of a hungry mind?
Much love,
Susan
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:10:32 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: symptoms
Message-ID: <19980420061033.19490.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>That's enlightenment and after.
>Anandajyoti
Then,dear one, there are many more enlightened people than has been
previously thought.
:D Susan
>
>Susan Carlson wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:47:14 +0530
>> From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
>> To: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
>> Subject: Symptoms of Inner Peace
>>
>> I love this every time I see it. Its from the Olympic Fellowship of
>> Reconciliation Newsletter, Issue 63, 1986. I believe they were an
>> outgrowth from the Course in Miracles.
>>
>> Blessings,
>> Susan
>>
>> PS
>> The end of it goes:
>>
>> If you have all or even most of the above symptoms, please be advised
>> that your condition may be too far advanced to turn back. If you are
>> exposed to anyone exhibiting several of these symptoms, remain
exposed
>> at your own risk. This condition of Inner Peace is likely well into
its
>> infectious stage. Be forewarned.
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:27:56 PDT
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: curious
Message-ID: <19980420062756.12175.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Edward writes:
>What IS it? Once you get there you'll understand and have no
need to
>explain.
How do you know that for sure? Is it because you are enlightened or did
someone tell you that who was enlightened or maybe you are just
hoping/guessing that is true?
I read somewhere a couple of years ago that human beings are afraid of
enlightenment because enlightenment brings death. Is that why it is so
difficult to describe what it brings?
>
>groping in the dark for the lightswich
>Edward
Just put your hand out and there it is...
Much love,
Susan
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 03:03:33 EDT
From: EdElkin <EdElkinATnospamaol.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, ncndiscuss-lATnospamnewciv.org,
heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: who's in my attic?
Message-ID: <5c6eedc9.353af346ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-19 22:33:10 EDT, madammumATnospamptialaska.net writes:
<< Will you more enlightened people tell me how to act, please?
vc
Not necessarily more enlightened, but I've heard that if you go close to
where the phenomenon is happening, sit down , center, be receptive, and ask
the spirit that's there what it needs and wants, and what message it has for
you, you may very well get a reply. Check it out and let me know. Good
luck.
May blessings and white light surround you as you pursue your inquiry.
Jor-El
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:41:58 +0000
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: EdElkin <EdElkinATnospamaol.com>
CC: CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com,
ncndiscuss-lATnospamnewciv.org, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: Re: who's in my attic?
Message-ID: <353A8BC2.6D3CATnospamptialaska.net>
ah, ed -
poo-poo on this!
somehow I made it possible for you to cross-post from 'kundalini-l'
to ' (mumble-mumble) 'HEARTZEN-L, and all proximities thereof!
Criminy; now we both are in REAL TROUBLE.
Nice knowin ya before we die soon; sorry! Didna mean to execute ya!
*lol*
vc
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 08:01:30 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: (Mawlana Jalal al-Din Rumi, Masnavi
Message-Id: <199804201044.LAA21153ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
Know, son, that everything in the universe
is a pitcher brimming with wisdom and beauty.
The universe is a drop of the Tigris of His Beauty,
this Beauty is not contained by any skin.
His Beauty was a Hidden Treasure so full
it burst open and made the earth
more radiant than the heavens.
(Mawlana Jalal al-Din Rumi, Masnavi, I:2860-2862)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 08:44:18 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: just so you know
Message-Id: <199804201044.LAA19834ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> Constance Cumbey...holds in "The HIdden Dangers of the Rainbow" that New
> Agers are latter-day Nazi conspirators who have infiltrated every major
> government and corporation in the world. "These people," she has sai,
> "are advocating wholesale slaughter of fundamentalists and other
> Christians." Their influence is everywhere, *everywhere*. Those rainbow
> stickers you put on your car's back window are really secret signs New
> Agers use so they can identify one another. Those supermarket bar-codes?
> Invented by "people who are deeply into...the occult...in response to
> instructions they believed they were receiving from superior
> intelligences, which we know of course to be nothing more than demons."
> One of the marvels of extreme paranoia is how coherent it makes the world
> appear. All technology, to Cumbey, is devil's work; anything so damn
> complex cannot possibly be made by humankind or ordained by God. The
> number 666, she claims, is routinely inserted into computer programs by
> teckies who share their souls with Satan.
forwarded from another list
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:28:26 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Que?
Message-Id: <199804201044.LAA17976ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
Dear Friends,
Many people are here. Some hidden. Some voluble. Some starting. Some starting further along. Some starting again. All are here. All different. All having different backgrounds and different understandings. All are here. Some are not quite sure why they are here. Some try desperately to leave. Some are here because of 'K'. Some just ask 'Que?' All are here.
And in that community people ask for help, confirmation, information, attention and someone provides. Some offer help, information, attention, healing as they can. So people are empowered and provided for. So who gets the most out of this situation is not the issue. What service can we provide - to help the future Web site, to pray or send healing, this is what is important.
Sometimes the things people say or the advice or the way they operate may seem unusual or outside of our experience or expectations. Each of us is here and each of us is on this earth not to ask 'what can it do for me' but 'what can I offer'.
We must thank Angelique for hosting this environment. The many who advise and offer healing and behind the scenes help and energy. Those who are devoting their time to create an outstanding new Web site that will empower many more. We must be grateful to those who question and those who remind us. Those who share. Those who listen. Those who Love.
Not forgetting that crusty
Lobster
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 08:50:55 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"ken mcfarland" <kenmATnospamOREGON.UOREGON.EDU>,
"Jan Watson" <jan.watsonATnospamsympatico.ca>,
"Germaine" <ghornsbyATnospamtallships.istar.ca>, "Bob" <elmasATnospambigfoot.com>,
"Anold Lloyd" <a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk>
Subject: candle
Message-Id: <199804201044.LAA21596ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
"A Breath from the Allusions of al-Mustafti"
Hajira fi al-Majnun
"When the waters washed away my bain in the boom of the absence of love
in my heart, there was a wise man. He had travelled the distances from
the land of Beirut. When I had seen him he laughed at me saying:
"ay majnuni, not yet learned the secrets of life!"
Ah, i breathed in and wondered what life he was refering to.
"ay majnuni, which is brighter the sun or the candle which has captured
it's rays"
Myriad visions encompass the well worn salik. Who could know the answer
what is brighter the sun or the candle. What is a sun, globule of energy
or illumination. And what is the candle. White wax buffering around a
thin worn out cotton thread which is lit at it's summit. And down
streams the clear wax unitl it reaches the base of the casting."
Base self in the madness of light.
"ay majnuni what do you think you know?"
Knowledge is a gypsie circus which crowns the city in the mind we have
nothing but a bewildering thought. To and fro the jugglers of whimsy and
the clowns of the selves. Who can know?
"ay manjuni which is brigher the sun or the candle which has captured
it's ray?"
And in the emptiness of the self is an answer which is nothing more than
light. Suffer not the little children under the morrow of fate. WIll it
to be.
"ay majnuni which way is the way"
And I look at the white haired man and his gleaming beard of the
mariners way. And I tell him this story:
"Once there was a candle makers apprentice he wanted to know what made
the best candle so he went to the wax makers and asked the wax maker
what is the best wax to use to make the best candle. And the wax maker
answered in a chillish laugh, "My salik it is not the wax which makes
the best candle". Distraught the salik left and went to the cotton
weavers and asked the same question, only to hear the reply from the
cotton maker who answered in between sips from the water bucket
laughing, "My salik it is not the cotton wick which makes the best
candle". What is this craziness the salik said to himself going to his
father. He asked his father who had been making candles all his life in
a supplicant tone, "Father if you are to make the best candle what makes
it the best" And his father took his son looking into his young eyes and
said, "Oh, my salik it is not the wax, the wick or even the base which
makes the best candle. It is only one thing, the light it gives."
Finally, the man from Beirut looked at the salik and said, "Ay Majnuni
enter my school and let the love begin!".
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:18:33 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE:Introduction to me
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Hi Paul!
You might be interested to read an article Ken Ring wrote for New Age
Journal about 6 or 7 years back that addressed his view of the
alien-abduction phaenomenon. As best I can remember it his take was that
its a type of spiritual experience that some people call to themselves. It
might be helpful ...
>One night, about two years ago, sitting in my bedroom reading, relaxed, in a
>similar frame of mind as I just described, I observed there to be a bit of a
>nippy breeze coming in the window. I suppose I asked, or instructed, or
>something, but in my head I simply said "remind my to close the window".
>Or more
>subtly - that window needs closing. I went downstairs and got a midnight
>snack.
>On my return, remembering that I needed to close the window, I drew back the
>curtains to find that the window was now closed tight.
A shaman I worked with once was used to this kind of stuff happening. There
are all kinds of little spirits around who like to do stuff to throw folks
off balance--playing jokes mostly. Just thank them for it or laugh and let
it go. The more Aware you become the more of this stuff you'll notice. Its
a part of the natural world like leaves on a tree ... nothing to get upset
about.
I feel hands on my body a lot, and when my K was very active I also heard
my name and "Hello!", not to mention one morning I got the hear the music
of the spheres. I thought I was dying! But the instant I tensed up i
couldn't hear it anymore so I relaxed and listened until I fell asleep.
> I guess my own fears were getting in the way.
Absolutly. But its an acclimation process. More contact you have with your
source or guide the less afraid you'll be because you'll trust more. Try to
develop the relationship with the guide. Build familiarity with your
source. Meditate on him/her/it and have *long* conversations. When you
trust your guide more, all the freaky stuff won't frighten you. You'll just
observe and move on.
--Signalfire
The web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist
---- Joy Rothke from Haiku
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Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:44:28 -0400
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
CC: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality seriously
Message-ID: <353B513C.714E643DATnospambryant.edu>
Jerry Katz wrote:
> > I like to speak from
> > all sorts of dispositions, not taking any of them, including the
> > nondual, seriously. There are all sorts of listeners and I am all sorts
> > of speakers. >>
Harsha responded: And yet your responses and your general disposition suggest
that youtake non-duality very seriously (unless it is inconvenient for the
moment:--).
Jerry's explanation of the his "two versions" if Is-Ness!
> Dear Harsha:
>
> I mailed two versions of Re: IS-NESS. In one version the paragraph
> quoted above was deleted. My intent was to mail only the version with
> the deletion. But email is so alive it got loose on me. I stand by the
> deletion. Do not think of the paragraph above!
>
> Always,
> Jerry
Harsha: Now you have me really laughing brother Jerry. You want to somehow
escape (from your own words!:--). But in doing so, make sure you are not
trying to escape from your Own Self. Sorry brother Jerry. No Escape. Be happy!
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