1998/04/19 09:44
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #306
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 306
Today's Topics: Symptoms of Inner Peace [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" ]
Re: meaningful way [ "Ed Jason" ] Re: meaningful way [ "Jason S. White" ]
Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality serio [ Harsha1MTM ] Re: Help [ Anurag Goel ]
re: curious [ "Sharon Webb" ] URL for kundalini Archives?? [ "Sandra K. Sartor"
To: Subject: Symptoms of Inner Peace
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Hi everybody
There are the twelve symptoms. . . .
1. A tendency to think and act spontaneously rather than from fears based on past experience.
2. An unmistakable ability to enjoy each moment.
3. A loss of interest in judging self.
4. A loss of interest in judging others.
5. A loss of interest in conflict.
6. A loss of interest in interpreting the action of others.
7. A loss of the ability to worry (this is a VERY serious symptom)
8. Frequent, overwhelming episodes of appreciation.
9. Contented feelings of connectedness with others and nature.
10. Frequent attacks of smiling through the eyes of the heart.
11. Increasing susceptibility to love extended by others as well as the
uncontrollable urge to extend it.
12. An increasing tendency to LET things happen, rather than to MAKE them happen.
I wish all such symptoms in ample doses.
Smile
Sandeep
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:50:13 +0530 From: "Sandeep Chatterjee"
To: Subject: Rengetsu
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Hi everybody, Very few women have attained to the Ultimate (at least if one goes byrecorded history. I wonder whether if it was herstory
the so called factswould have been different)
Rengetsu was one of these rare women. She was on a pilgrimage and she came to a village at sunset and begged
forshelter, lodging for the night.The villagers slammed their doors.They musthave been traditional Buddhists and the would now allow this Zen women
tostay there.They threw her out.It was a cold night and old woman without any lodging...and hungry.She had to make a cherry tree in the fields
her shelter.It was really coldand she could not sleep very well.And it was dangerous too with wildanimals.
At midnight she awoke, very cold and saw in the spring night sky, the fullyopened cherry blossoms laughing to the misty moon.Overcome by the
beauty she gets up and made a reverence to the direction ofthe village and wrote:
Through their kindnessin refusing me lodgingI found
myselfbeneath the blossomson the night ofthe misty moon.
Life is immense and each moment it comes with a thousand and one gifts forme.
But I am so engaged, preoccupied, with my desiring mind, I am so full of mythoughts on how it should be and how it shouldn't be, I refuse these
gifts,nay I cannot even see these gifts.
Oh can I see the cherry blossoms again.
Sandeep
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:01:04 -0700 From: "Ed Jason"
To: "Brent Blalock" , "Dan Margolis"
Cc: "Kundalini - L" Subject: Cementing
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Brent Blalock on Dan Margolis:
> Maybe your definition of better is different. Or maybe you aren't any > better or worse than any other poster, but your writing style is more
> compatible with my thinking style.
This is a grave insult on Dan Margolis. You mistake patience with fools as a virtue. Only someone who is completely incompatible with your way of thinking (but was probably once like you) would stoop to such a crass level. Fortunately I have no need for such virtues - you are a boor. You think you can bully your way into spirituality and have it explained to you - like a car manual. In fact you do not yet have even the inkling of genuine perceptions. You need to start again.
Brent Blalock (the reasonable one) on Lobster:
> Maybe this is just the result of my thinking style (logical, linear, > concrete, but not void of creativity), but a statement that isn't supported
> or backed up by other statements sounds like "talking out of one's ass." > So maybe I'm just totally overlooking what Ed's doing. Or maybe he's doing
> what I think he is, but he can still be used as a learning tool. Hmm...
Ed has always confused orifices regarding communication. It however does not occur to you that you know next to nothing (in spiritual terms). It does not occur to you that logical, linear, concrete thinking is all very worthy of cement but is not much use here. It is as if kundalites tried to operate their email by thinking it straight onto the screen without a keyboard. Anyway as you are one of the stupidest (in spiritual terms) people I have ever come across I shall write you an undeserved poem which you might learn something more than hmmmm from:
I AM CEMENT
Make way, make way intelligent and reasonable, sincere seeker coming through
Make way, make way I am here - YOU THERE! Yes you! I am here!
Explain yourself (and do it now) I wish to understand everything (right now) - get on with helping me
Make way, make way
the hard-ass speaking, unthinking,
Lobster Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 05:26:54 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" To: , "Jason S. White"
Cc: "Kundalini" Subject: Re: meaningful way
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John Heaton:
> John: > Your mirror is talking back to you Jason. What you observe and
> recognize in others is your own state of affairs. What you see in Ed's > words are your own mercy and joy emerging. (otherwise you would not
> recognize it!) Take heart dear Jason and realize your own beauty. See > the love as a huge brightly burning bonfire, embrace your pain and
> sadness one more time, kiss it on the cheek, pat in on the head, thank > it for its usefulness, then toss it in the fire! Let the warmth dry your
> tears then dance like a devil on a mountaintop.
Exactly so. You are observing yourself. What people say of others is a reflection of their understanding and their awakening qualities. This is why some people on hearing this sort of thing start to behave very sweetly. They are hypocrites. Genuine kindness and joy and mercy is seen quite clearly and is its own reward.
> > In meditation I see the pain as a crack with a bright light shining
> > through - the light of a whipcrack. I cannot withstand the image - I cringe > > and look away.
Look away? It is still there. Can you feel its presence? Anything you do not like, fear or find difficult is your friend and your learning. You must send it Love. Tell it you are frightened and can not bear its presence and send it Love.
> > How to proceed? I feel that I have to face that crack - come into > > acceptance of it. Love it. Heal it. It is so ugly. How to prepare for
> > such an encounter? How to proceed with such an encounter?
In your question you have given the same answer. There is only one way to prepare. Ask the crack for help. Tell it you wish to be its friend. You wish to accept it. Ask for its help. Also ask for help from the usual internal authorities (Higher Self etc). I will tell you now, you have a powerful ally. Be gentle. Here are some words it will understand.
"We are friends" "Do not scare me" "Please Help" "Be Gentle" Tell it you will give it the energy it requires without having to steal (by intimidation and fear).
Kundalites will send you their prayers and Blessings.
Be Well HEALING IS HAPPENING
Lobster Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:16:13 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" To:
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>John:
> Your mirror is talking back to you Jason. What you observe and >recognize in others is your own state of affairs. What you see in Ed's
>words are your own mercy and joy emerging. (otherwise you would not >recognize it!)
Jason: Yes, I see that. Ed has a tendency to be a very good reflection.
Almost too honest if that's possible.
>John: Take heart dear Jason and realize your own beauty. See >the love as a huge brightly burning bonfire, embrace your pain and
>sadness one more time, kiss it on the cheek, pat in on the head, thank >it for its usefulness, then toss it in the fire!
Jason: Thanks you so much. I like your suggestion, but the love I see is
not a huge brightly burning bonfire. It is a scared, abandoned kitten just now finding a home and learning to play. I will find a way for the kitten
to relate to the crack.
>Seeing you cradled in loving light and laughter >John :-)
>
Jason: That's so merciful - and no, it is not just my own reflection. It is also your kindness. Many thanks. Here's a quote that popped into my mind
after I wrote about the crack:
"There is a crack... a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
-Leonard Cohen
Gratefully, Jason.
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 11:16:17 +0200 From: "Jason S. White"
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> > Jason: In meditation I see the pain as a crack with a bright light shining
> > through - the light of a whipcrack. I cannot withstand the image - I cringe
> > and look away.
>Lobster: Look away? It is still there. Can you feel its presence? Anything you do >not like, fear or find difficult is your friend and your learning.
You must send it >Love. Tell it you are frightened and can not bear its presence and send it Love.
Jason: Yes it is still there after I look away. I've spent years looking away. Never occurred to me to admit my fright to the crack. "Have to be
strong. No fear. No pain." - Denying what is real and living imaginary feelings.
>Lobster: In your question you have given the same answer. There is only one way >to prepare. Ask the crack for help. Tell it you wish to be its friend.
You wish to >accept it. Ask for its help. Also ask for help from the usual internal authorities
>Higher Self etc). I will tell you now, you have a powerful ally. Be gentle. >Here are some words it will understand.
>"We are friends" "Do not scare me" "Please Help" "Be Gentle" >Tell it you will give it the energy it requires without having to steal (by
>intimidation and fear). >Kundalites will send you their prayers and Blessings.
> >Be Well
>HEALING IS HAPPENING >Lobster
Jason: Thank you so much for your suggestions. I'm beginning to see the
wisdom and results of this approach. Making friends with myself is a new direction believe it or not. The crack is already allowing me this...
Many thanks and
Love. Jason.
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 06:19:08 EDT From: Harsha1MTM
To: lobATnospamlineone.net, blal0004ATnospammaroon.tc.umn.edu, margolisATnospamtransbay.net Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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In a message dated 4/19/1998 12:05:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
lobATnospamlineone.net writes:
< I AM CEMENT
Make way, make way
intelligent and reasonable, sincere seeker coming through Make way, make way
I am here - YOU THERE! Yes you! I am here! Explain yourself (and do it now)
I wish to understand everything (right now) - get on with helping me Make way, make way
the hard-ass speaking, unthinking, Lobster >>
Harsha: That is a beautiful and a funny poem Ed and I hope brother Brent will
see it as such. But you overlook an important possibility. Perhaps Brent is training you to be a Guru. And you already know from personal experience how
hard that is! Nevertheless you must do it; as otherwise, would you not feel guilty for retarding other people's spiritual progress?
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 06:44:40 EDT From: Harsha1MTM
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: IS-NESS-Taking non-duality seriously Message-ID:
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In a message dated 4/18/1998 8:38:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes:
< From the nondual perspective, you speak correctly. I like to speak from all sorts of dispositions, not taking any of them, including the
nondual, seriously. There are all sorts of listeners and I am all sorts of speakers. >>
Harsha: And yet your responses and your general disposition suggest that you
take non-duality very seriously (unless it is inconvenient for the moment : --). If money, sex, and Chinese food are quite compatible with your notion of
non-duality, then so must be other physical, psychic and spiritual experiences (you call them stimuli) including Samadhis and Superconscious states, etc. I
maintain that an adherence to non-duality is perfectly consistent with faith, devotion, worship and spiritual practices and allowance of diversity of views
on religion and cosmology. There is no magic in words or in the particular way they are used. It is the force of truth behind the words that gives them
the magic and the power. Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:55:17 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: Harsha1MTM
cc: WHYASKATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Help
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Hi kristin,
I think the mind has a lot to play in being sad and low. I think we are sad and low because we didn't get something
we wanted. But I think here one should try to access the importance of our want in life. Detachment and strong mind
i think are the few keys to the problem. Love,
anurag
On Sat, 18 Apr 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 4/18/1998 1:31:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, WHYASKATnospamaol.com > writes:
> > < Hello My name is Kristin,
> I am trying to change from being sad and low. Please send me support in > prayers or in other ways. I wish to change but need your help. Please help
> me. > Kristin >>
> > Harsha: Hi Kristin. I am glad you posted. People will send you their love and
> prayers. If you feel appropriate, please share your specific circumstances. > Some times list members can give useful suggestions. There are a lot of good
> people here. Sadness, grief and pain are unavoidable in life. Sometimes we > just have to hang in there until it gets better. We all understand what it
> means to be suffering. God bless you with peace of mind. >
> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 09:32:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.) To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: head-humming question Message-Id:
The 24 hr./day humming I've had in my head for the last 8 months has
recently shifted from the left side to the center of my head. Sometimes there is a second tone slightly to the right. This doesn't
bother me much -- I use it to pray with -- but I'm curious. Does it mean anything? Holly
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 07:36:21 PDT From: "Susan Carlson"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: curious
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Hey all,
All this talk about what enlightenment is...so what's going to happen to
you once you are it?
What's Its purpose? And what's It after That? Is Being all there Is?
Maybe I become so full of light will I be able to glow in the dark so I can read at night?
Just wondering what it means in practical applications.
Susan
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Hey all,
All this talk about what enlightenment is...so what's going to happen to you once you are it?
What's Its purpose? And what's It after That? Is Being all there Is?
Maybe I become so full of light will I be able to glow in the dark so
I can read at night?
Just wondering what it means in practical applications.
Susan ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Susan,
Speaking only from personal experience and assuming one has actually attained, "enlightenment". You may come to see a purpose to this
existence, an existence which includes all the souls that have manifested bodies, past, present and future.
You may come to see that we are all a part of " the One". Struggling,
learning, loving and repairing that which is broken. At the beginning, each soul split in two. The female and the male, yin and yang,
positive and negative. Through each manifestation each half may manifest as one or the other but always with the "intent" to repair.
Task completed, the two halves join to become a complete, repaired
soul and ascend to become part of the "One".
Eons from now. The "One", complete and repaired, will take it's place alonside the "supreme Being", welcomed back to the fold, if you will.
Jack
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:09:36 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" To: "Sandeep Chatterjee" ,
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Through their kindnessin refusing me lodgingI found myselfbeneath the blossomson the night ofthe misty moon. These vagrant Zen Hags are a problem. Stick them under a cherry tree and they are happy.However many more women than men have attained (because they have a harder time in that great esoteric school we call life). The thing is when a woman attains she gets on with the washing up. When a man attains we never here the last of it. Ah well . . .Lobster (off to beat some Zen vagrants - for the good of their souls - you understand :-)BE WELL. PEACE TO YOU ALL.
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 12:16:52 -0400 From: "Sharon Webb"
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Hi,
Here is a bit of writing about enlightenment that I got from my channel,
Tomm. It was in response to a similar thread on another list.
----------------------------------------- Friday, April 17, 1998, 1:41:49 PM
Q: Tomm, there has been much confusion and controversy over the term
enlightenment. Would you comment, please?
A: Yes. My name is Tomm. The confusion stems, quite simply, over a definition of terms. There are many views of this process---and it is a
process rather than a state---however, most views are focusing on effects rather than the process itself. For the sake of this discussion then, I
would ask you to entertain this thought: Enlightenment literally means light within.
Now light, as you know, is energy. It is an energy which, when perceived,
is seen as luminence or brilliance. Enlightenment then, is the process by which increasing energy is released in and by the body. This energy cannot
be released instantly as it would cause irreparable harm to the body. Therefore, the energy is gradually increased over a period of time. This
time period may be quite extended or relatively brief depending on the presence or absence of limiting beliefs as well as other factors.
When this energy is released it has many effects on all levels of being.
These effects include physical symptoms both pleasant and unpleasant, enhanced emotions which may include feelings of bliss or fear, a general
"widening" of consciousness, and many other phenomena. When these effects are predominantly "blissful" or beneficent, the effect is often considered
to be enlightenment. In truth, these effects are simply symptoms due to the infusion of energy into the self. As the energy increases throughout all
levels of being, the effects are intensified.
The purpose of this process is an evolutionary one. More and finer energy is required for the being to accomplish those things which need to be
accomplished in this coming milieu.
Why, you may ask, is this process necessary at all? The answer to that is complex; however, a simplified explanation could be put this way: initially,
focus in your earthly reality required a certain density of energy in order for humans to perceive in certain ways. The experiences gathered were of
great value. They allowed a certain "narrowness" of view which blazed into a perception which could not be had in any other way. You might liken this
to a stage on a microscope. When the focus narrows on a microbe on such a stage, details, splendid details, emerge. Yet when this focus is widened,
these details begin to disappear to be replaced with other sights. Humankind has operated in this way for millennia. It was not always so,
however. Perception, as all things in creation, is cyclical. It is time for this particular cycle to come to an end in order to make way for the
next.
As I stated before, enlightenment is a process. It is ongoing. Were a being to "become" light altogether, then this being would no longer be
focused in your reality, nor would you---at this stage of your development---perceive this being from your usual earthly perspective.
Although these changes may seem to be occurring in step-like fashion, consider that "enlightenment" is a continuum. It is a "becoming." It is
therefore a process, a tool, for exploration and growth rather than a goal.
You chose to enter this life at this time because you wished to be part of this great new experiment. You stand at the brink of grand adventure. Be
joyful. -------------------
Sharon
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From: "Sandra K. Sartor" To:
Subject: URL for kundalini Archives?? Message-ID:
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Hi List, I had a computer crash and lost ALL info, can someone e-mail me with the
URL for the Archive site? My Thanks.
Sandy Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 09:39:13 -0700
From: anandajyoti To: Susan Carlson
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: curious
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Susan Carlson wrote:
> Hey all, >
> All this talk about what enlightenment is...so what's going to happen to > you once you are it?
> > What's Its purpose? And what's It after That? Is Being all there Is?
> > Maybe I become so full of light will I be able to glow in the dark so I
> can read at night? >
> Just wondering what it means in practical applications. >
> Susan >
>
You will be able to have x-ray vision, thought reading capabiltiy,capcity of flying in the air, walking over water, healing by touch or even thought
power, you can visit planets with your consciosuness, get a new body, and so much more.
Anandajyoti
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