1998/04/18 09:45
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #304
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 304
Today's Topics:
Kundalini Awakening (was: What's hap [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Kundalini Awakening (was: What's [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: A clarification and a request [ Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co. ]
waiting on a friend [ valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska. ]
meaningful way [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
MedicAlert, was: AutoPost [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: waiting on a friend [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: meaningful way [ John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com ]
IS-NESS [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Re: IS-NESS [ "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospammacsru ]
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:10:01 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Kundalini Awakening (was: What's happening to me?)
Message-ID: <01BD6A55.F3A7D970.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Here's an analogy I've been thinking about for a challenging kundalini
awakening experience:
Imagine living many floors below ground in the basement of a tenement
building. It is very dimly lit but your eyes have slowly adjusted. It
smells bad, but your nose has adjusted. It is very noisy, but your ears
have adjusted. You haven't bathed in years but you hardly notice the
difference. Your mind is slow because tranquilizers are in all your food.
Years pass...
Then one day, somehow, the door is thrown open at the top of the stairs.
For the first time in your life sunlight streams down. It hurts your eyes
terribly. Worse yet, you are beginning to see the horrible filth in which
you live. The sight of it is unnerving. There is not a single clean place
to rest. Fresh, cool air streams down as well. It hurts your lungs and for
the first time you can remember, you are aware of how bad it smells down
there. The noise is less, but now you are aware that your ears are ringing
constantly.
You dare to contemplate: light, fresh air, a way out - this must be good.
That's what you've always heard. But everything around you is more painful
than it has ever been in your life. There is not a single waking moment in
which you are not uncomfortable, perhaps even terrified. Your body
trembles. Your untranquilized mind races. Your voice cracks. Not even your
own body or mind is dependable any more.
You decide that this can not be good. It just can't be. No way!
So you eat more food. That has always helped in the past. But somehow,
nothing changes. You think:
`` Why did this happen to me? Why can't I have my old life back?''
For some time you may: curse, criticize, rail at God, rail at a teacher who
may have opened the door, blame your parents for the mess around you, and
generally flail around. Lives of alcoholism and drug abuse are also
alternatives. (This is a highly abbreviated list.)
Then one day, someday, you realize that what you have to do is slowly c
limb up what seems like the limitless stairs and walk out the door and get
the hell out of there. This reflection itself is pretty scary. you
think:-`` there just has to be a better way out than that. It's just too
far and I'm too weak. I don't think I'll make it.'' But then there doesn't
appear to be any alternative. It may take a day, or a week, or a lifetime
to face this fact.
Finally, one day, you put the left foot in front of the right foot. Then
the right foot in front of the left. And begin to climb the stairs.
With spectacular luck you may find someone who can ease the pain in your
lungs, reduce the ringing in your ears, give you a nice bath and a clean
handkerchief for your runny nose, compassionate assurance about what you
are experiencing and some confidence about the stairs out. (Note: You are
unlikely to meet this person except on the stairwell.)
With love and tears to anyone for whom this sounds familiar. My heart goes
out to you.
Kurt
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:52:40 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: "'kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Kundalini Awakening (was: What's happening to me?)
Message-ID: <35385BC8.6449566BATnospamgeocities.com>
Dear Kurt !
What a pragmatic, sensible , true to life rendition of your awakening. I say
that this your awakening, because through your physical you have been able to
catch this idea/inspiration, when it came your mind, and expressed it so
beautifully, in the language available. There may be more to it than you could
possibly express in word. Words are somewhat limiting in expressing with
exactitude.IMHO.
With Best wishes,
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> Here's an analogy I've been thinking about for a challenging kundalini
> awakening experience:
>
> Imagine living many floors below ground in the basement of a tenement
> building. It is very dimly lit but your eyes have slowly adjusted. It
> smells bad, but your nose has adjusted. It is very noisy, but your ears
> have adjusted. You haven't bathed in years but you hardly notice the
> difference. Your mind is slow because tranquilizers are in all your food.
> Years pass...
>
> Then one day, somehow, the door is thrown open at the top of the stairs.
> For the first time in your life sunlight streams down. It hurts your eyes
> terribly. Worse yet, you are beginning to see the horrible filth in which
> you live. The sight of it is unnerving. There is not a single clean place
> to rest. Fresh, cool air streams down as well. It hurts your lungs and for
> the first time you can remember, you are aware of how bad it smells down
> there. The noise is less, but now you are aware that your ears are ringing
> constantly.
>
> You dare to contemplate: light, fresh air, a way out - this must be good.
> That's what you've always heard. But everything around you is more painful
> than it has ever been in your life. There is not a single waking moment in
> which you are not uncomfortable, perhaps even terrified. Your body
> trembles. Your untranquilized mind races. Your voice cracks. Not even your
> own body or mind is dependable any more.
> You decide that this can not be good. It just can't be. No way!
>
> So you eat more food. That has always helped in the past. But somehow,
> nothing changes. You think:
> `` Why did this happen to me? Why can't I have my old life back?''
>
> For some time you may: curse, criticize, rail at God, rail at a teacher who
> may have opened the door, blame your parents for the mess around you, and
> generally flail around. Lives of alcoholism and drug abuse are also
> alternatives. (This is a highly abbreviated list.)
>
> Then one day, someday, you realize that what you have to do is slowly c
> limb up what seems like the limitless stairs and walk out the door and get
> the hell out of there. This reflection itself is pretty scary. you
> think:-`` there just has to be a better way out than that. It's just too
> far and I'm too weak. I don't think I'll make it.'' But then there doesn't
> appear to be any alternative. It may take a day, or a week, or a lifetime
> to face this fact.
>
> Finally, one day, you put the left foot in front of the right foot. Then
> the right foot in front of the left. And begin to climb the stairs.
>
> With spectacular luck you may find someone who can ease the pain in your
> lungs, reduce the ringing in your ears, give you a nice bath and a clean
> handkerchief for your runny nose, compassionate assurance about what you
> are experiencing and some confidence about the stairs out. (Note: You are
> unlikely to meet this person except on the stairwell.)
>
> With love and tears to anyone for whom this sounds familiar. My heart goes
> out to you.
> Kurt
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 08:44:41 +0100
From: Chris Hughes <aird.houseATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: A clarification and a request
Message-ID: <1998041808444184101ATnospamzetnet.co.uk>
The message <4c6c8d1a.3537d960ATnospamaol.com>
from Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> contains these words:
> Harsha: Dear List members, at times I am unable to respond to personal
> messages sent to my hlutharATnospambryant.edu account. You may feel free to send
> them to the AOL account (my personal account) on which I am presently on.
> However, I suggest the following: If anyone is in pain or suffering, do not
> hesitate to discuss the matter with the list. There are many kind hearted and
> compassionate people who will pray for you. Sadness and grief are part of
> life and unavoidable. One should express it. By being in the right company
> and by the practice of contemplation, the impact of heavy emotions is
> minimized and eventually passes. Do not judge yourself too harshly.
Dear Soul Harsha
I get a lot from the diversity of this list as does one of my close
friends Evlyn whom I forward some mail to. She is going through a
difficult time at the moment and I have forwarded this to her. Please
pray for her that she is guided to the highest choice for her. I
always look forward to your post because of the humour expressed in
them. I do not understand the nuts and bolts of Kundalini but I dont
feel that I personally need to as I have faith that THAT is guiding
me and Godess Kundalini is in charge of the process. All I have to do
is be open in trust and love for what ever happens.
In respect and love
Sai Ram
Chris.
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:12:03 +0000
From: valerie cooper <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
CC: CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM, heartzenATnospamlistserv.servtech.com
Subject: waiting on a friend
Message-ID: <3537FDDF.CF6ATnospamptialaska.net>
i shouldn't be here.
i am moving & working two cyber-like jobs, & - God knows - I am
grateful. I can hardly keep up, but still i grate full...
i am down on the dock. that is where my computer is, & i am down here
while my child is sleeping. still, i am grate full.
i came down here, alone, really - to work - but i cannot concentrate.
i am already over-burdened; NOW - someone has sexually molested my
daughter.
I don't know who, & she claims forgetfulness, but SOMEONE DID, & i do
not understand.
i never date anyone ever, & she has not been alone with anyone in that
trailer-trash park; except for one little girl, two years older than
her, whom someone warned me she was caught didddling with their
daughter's potties.
i feel like ca-ca. somebody has been touching my daughter
inappropriately, & all my buttons from being sexually abused myself are
all aflame.
but nobody here cares about that. everybody trying to figger
"kundalini".
i hate this shit. children killing children; and - who's to care? some
perpetuation of sexual abuse - who cares? nobody cares; at least we
arestill alive to whine...
what should i say? i am so furious that i should say nothing? just LOVE
her unconditionally?
she's 6 years old.
i am alone. i don't know what to do.
vc
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:16:49 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Kundalini" <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, <lobATnospamlineone.net>
Subject: meaningful way
Message-ID: <001a01bd6aaa$ca708c00$2437bac3ATnospamzympho.bluewin.ch>
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Ed Jason wrote:
I know some of you are in pain on this list. You must reach out. You must
ask for help in a meaningful way. I have gone into another area but it
relates. There is much learning required. Much healing. Much service. We are
in this on a planetary as well as an individual level.
and in another message...
Anger is fear of accepting Love
Sadness is the pain of separation from Love
Pain is lack of Love
Selfishness is restricting rather than bestowing Love
Love is the only Reality - but you can live where you choose
Choose Love
------
Dear Ed,
Pain and sadness I know so well, but how to reach out in a meaningful way?
I want to try. I feel so much mercy and joy when I read your words lately.
What is that? Is it you who is reaching out?
In meditation I see the pain as a crack with a bright light shining
through - the light of a whipcrack. I cannot withstand the image - I cringe
and look away.
It manifests in my everyday life as a slap, an impulse that tells me I
should be doing something other than whatever I happen to be doing at the
moment. It is usually at a subconscious level - I notice what happened only
moments after the impulse and then I go into a dialog where I can't decide
whether to follow the direction of the impulse or to resist it and continue
doing what I was doing. I vacillate in the confusion, sometimes so much
that I have to stop and focus on breathing to dispel it. The whole event
often leaves me with a feeling of having been disrupted, distracted.
It's not as all consuming as it used to be. Years ago I was sad and in pain
without knowing why as a constant, conscious state. Now I often know states
of beautiful tranquillity and joy just for being alive. Maybe I never
solved that pain years ago - I just covered it up and I still have the
crack. I am quick to dismiss the image of the pain, to dispel the confusion
that arises since, of course, I like the states of joy much better.
How to proceed? I feel that I have to face that crack - come into
acceptance of it. Love it. Heal it. It is so ugly. How to prepare for
such an encounter? How to proceed with such an encounter?
Sincerely,
Jason.
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:53:46 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: MedicAlert, was: AutoPost
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Nancy Poitou <npoitouATnospamearthlink.net> wrote:
>My question is, has anyone else considered a medic alert braclet for
>Kundalini?
>I fear going into Kriyas in public or at times and in places that 911 might
>be called and have an emergency room doctor shoot me up thinking it is
>epilepsy.
>I saw a Transpersonal Psychiatrist for awhile and joked that I wanted to get
>a medic alert bracelet, that would say on the back, "Active Kundalini, if
>seisures are witnessed call DR. XXXXX for directions, phone number" or
>something
>to that effect. But I was not joking really because Kundalini is virtually
>unknown to western doctors,... What do you think?
Sounds like an excellent idea!
Have you tried discussing your problems with Shakti herself? I have an
agreement with Shakti: nothing embarrassing happens to me when I'm with
other people, and when I'm alone I give Shakti all the time she wants. It
works fine! Of course, I've never had seizures of the sort that would put
me unconscious, so you seem to have another level of problem there!
Love,
Ann
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 05:27:39 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: waiting on a friend
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Hi Valerie:
I'm so sorry about what has happened. I have some idea how you must feel;
my daughter was raped, although she was older and able to go into court
with two other women to testify - her rapist is now in prison for life.
Seems to me your daughter may need some help to make sure the experience
doesn't cause long-lasting harm and to help her talk about who it was so
you can take steps, at least to protect her. You may not be the best
person for it, just because you're so emotionally involved yourself - in
fact, you could probably use some help yourself.
I'd say: yes, love her unconditionally, but also get help for her and maybe
for yourself.
Some suggestions:
1) Planned Parenthood runs a Rape Crisis service with a hotline - the
police usually call them in rape cases. But they probably hear about other
kinds of cases, too, and they may be able to tell you where to get the
right kind of help.
2) Where I used to live, there was a hotline for suspected child abuse
cases - I think it was run by the police. The person manning such a
hotline might know exactly who would be the right person to call.
3) Where I used to live, there was also a Child Psychiatric Center, staffed
with psychiatrists, psychologists, social workers, etc. A wonderful place
to take any child with a problem!
4) A good liberal minister (of a northern denomination, not southern) would
be likely to be aware of all the community resources - agencies, hotlines,
free clinics, psychiatrists, etc., and would know where to send you - AND
would be supportive and non-judgmental with your child.
If it were me, I'd want to meet whoever is going to work with my child and
make sure I thought the person seemed like a good choice. You may not have
a lot of time to decide, you may have to rely on first impressions and
intuition, but that can be worth a lot. And if you should decide that this
person is not someone that you want to leave your daughter with, don't be
afraid to take her and walk out! Her welfare is the most important thing.
I love you,
Ann
>NOW - someone has sexually molested my
>daughter.
>I don't know who, & she claims forgetfulness, but SOMEONE DID, & i do
>not understand.
>i never date anyone ever, & she has not been alone with anyone in that
>trailer-trash park; except for one little girl, two years older than
>her, whom someone warned me she was caught didddling with their
>daughter's potties.
>i feel like ca-ca. somebody has been touching my daughter
>inappropriately, & all my buttons from being sexually abused myself are
>all aflame.
>but nobody here cares about that. everybody trying to figger
>"kundalini".
>i hate this shit. children killing children; and - who's to care? some
>perpetuation of sexual abuse - who cares? nobody cares; at least we
>arestill alive to whine...
>what should i say? i am so furious that i should say nothing? just LOVE
>her unconditionally?
>she's 6 years old.
>i am alone. i don't know what to do.
>vc
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:16:15 -0500
From: John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com>
To: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
CC: Kundalini <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, lobATnospamlineone.net
Subject: Re: meaningful way
Message-ID: <35388B7F.98DATnospampsbnewton.com>
Jason S. White wrote:
>
> Dear Ed,
>
> Pain and sadness I know so well, but how to reach out in a meaningful way?
> I want to try. I feel so much mercy and joy when I read your words lately.
> What is that? Is it you who is reaching out?
John:
Your mirror is talking back to you Jason. What you observe and
recognize in others is your own state of affairs. What you see in Ed's
words are your own mercy and joy emerging. (otherwise you would not
recognize it!) Take heart dear Jason and realize your own beauty. See
the love as a huge brightly burning bonfire, embrace your pain and
sadness one more time, kiss it on the cheek, pat in on the head, thank
it for its usefulness, then toss it in the fire! Let the warmth dry your
tears then dance like a devil on a mountaintop.
>
> In meditation I see the pain as a crack with a bright light shining
> through - the light of a whipcrack. I cannot withstand the image - I cringe
> and look away.
>
> It's not as all consuming as it used to be. Years ago I was sad and in pain
> without knowing why as a constant, conscious state. Now I often know states
> of beautiful tranquillity and joy just for being alive. Maybe I never
> solved that pain years ago - I just covered it up and I still have the
> crack. I am quick to dismiss the image of the pain, to dispel the confusion
> that arises since, of course, I like the states of joy much better.
>
> How to proceed? I feel that I have to face that crack - come into
> acceptance of it. Love it. Heal it. It is so ugly. How to prepare for
> such an encounter? How to proceed with such an encounter?
John:
You are already doing it. :-) (it might help not to percieve it as so
ugly...it helped you get to where you are right now...don't wish to
sound like a know-it-all...just works for me)
Seeing you cradled in loving light and laughter
John :-)
>
> Sincerely,
> Jason.
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:52:49 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: IS-NESS
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Hi everybody,
Buddha propounded simple truths of Life by just looking around with
intelligence. His words were direct and he often has been seen as a doctor
of the Inner Health.
He compared Man's situation to a traveler in a forest who has been shot by
an arrow.Bleeding away to death, the traveler is asking Is there Life after
death,Is there God, will my Karma be balanced etc etc.
Buddha said your situation is just like that.
You are in "non-health" and you asking about the Beyond.
Heal yourself through understanding and you can
discover for yourself what IS.
Buddha dropped even the term "SATCHITANAND" and said the Ultimate
experiencing is Nirvana the blowing away of candle flame.You blow away your
acquired knowledge, your desires, your attachments and in that Shunayat
(emptiness) know what IS.
Thatagathta was another name of Buddha.The word Thatata means IS-Ness.
In my journey I have felt IS -NES and I wish to share with you all the
following.
The Hurricane blows and the tall, strong Oak Tree crashes.It crashes
because it does not bend.The small blade of grass at the base of the Oak
tree sways and bends and after the Hurricane blows over, emerges refreshed,
full of Life.
The same Force gave death to one and Life to another. But did it?Did not the
is-ness of the blade of grass and the is-ness of the Oak actually result in
Life or
death taking place.
Now the Beauty of it.The Hurricane blew because it's Is-Ness is to blow.It
neither has a desire to cause death nor to give Life.
Events take place in Life in harmony with their Is-Ness.Only Man is in
disharmony first of all assuming that he is the cause of it and in that
assumption goes against the basic Is-ness of himself.
Secondly depending on his response to the event Satan or Archangel Gabriel
is created.
Whereas the whole of existence is in harmony in it's Is-Ness.
I felt sharing this to suggest to look to Life which teaches afresh every
moment rather than to seek dead answers in the Bible,the Koran, the
Gita.Those answers were afresh for Jesus, Mohammed, Krishna but they are of
no use to you.To be a Jesus a Mohammed a Krishna I submit that one has to
travel on one's path of
understanding.
After all Jesus did not follow a Bible, Mohammed did not know what Koran is.
Not that they state incorrect things.
But that moment has gone.
2000 years of water has flown the river Nile.
Existence has evolved since then.
Truth has to be discovered Afresh and the beauty is that Truth is all ways
Virgin to whoever arrives.
Traversing myself I find for me two methodology which helped me go
deeper
A)Meditation, not prayer which is just plea-bargaining, not
reflection/contemplation because that needs the other.
The process to encounter oneself through awareness beyond all conceptions,
beyond all experiences (they all emanate from one's conditionings;Have you
ever heard a Christian "sighting" Krishna or a Hindu experiencing Jesus or
a Mohammedan visualizing Mother Mary) for me that process is meditation.It
is a process not Truth and as all crutches it has to be dropped at an
appropriate time
B)Observing Life without any apriori assumption.A child's eyes which sees
everything (in awe) to be a Mystery.
A mystery which is not to be solved but to be lived.
Just some wandering thoughts on a mysterious night.
Sandeep
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:31:10 -0700
From: "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospammacsrule.com>
To: Sandeep Chatterjee <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: IS-NESS
Message-ID: <3538F16E.1DADATnospammacsrule.com>
Very cool, Sandeep. A child has no judgements. A child has no fear. A
child does not discrimintate. A child does not see difference. A child
does not see separation. A child does not see evil. A child does not see
wrong. A child only sees love, joy, happiness, and right. Everything is
good to a child.
Be the child.
Sandeep Chatterjee wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> Buddha propounded simple truths of Life by just looking around with
> intelligence. His words were direct and he often has been seen as a doctor
> of the Inner Health.
>
> He compared Man's situation to a traveler in a forest who has been shot by
> an arrow.Bleeding away to death, the traveler is asking Is there Life after
> death,Is there God, will my Karma be balanced etc etc.
>
> Buddha said your situation is just like that.
> You are in "non-health" and you asking about the Beyond.
> Heal yourself through understanding and you can
> discover for yourself what IS.
> Buddha dropped even the term "SATCHITANAND" and said the Ultimate
> experiencing is Nirvana the blowing away of candle flame.You blow away your
> acquired knowledge, your desires, your attachments and in that Shunayat
> (emptiness) know what IS.
>
> Thatagathta was another name of Buddha.The word Thatata means IS-Ness.
>
> In my journey I have felt IS -NES and I wish to share with you all the
> following.
>
> The Hurricane blows and the tall, strong Oak Tree crashes.It crashes
> because it does not bend.The small blade of grass at the base of the Oak
> tree sways and bends and after the Hurricane blows over, emerges refreshed,
> full of Life.
>
> The same Force gave death to one and Life to another. But did it?Did not the
> is-ness of the blade of grass and the is-ness of the Oak actually result in
> Life or
> death taking place.
>
> Now the Beauty of it.The Hurricane blew because it's Is-Ness is to blow.It
> neither has a desire to cause death nor to give Life.
>
> Events take place in Life in harmony with their Is-Ness.Only Man is in
> disharmony first of all assuming that he is the cause of it and in that
> assumption goes against the basic Is-ness of himself.
>
> Secondly depending on his response to the event Satan or Archangel Gabriel
> is created.
> Whereas the whole of existence is in harmony in it's Is-Ness.
>
> I felt sharing this to suggest to look to Life which teaches afresh every
> moment rather than to seek dead answers in the Bible,the Koran, the
> Gita.Those answers were afresh for Jesus, Mohammed, Krishna but they are of
> no use to you.To be a Jesus a Mohammed a Krishna I submit that one has to
> travel on one's path of
> understanding.
> After all Jesus did not follow a Bible, Mohammed did not know what Koran is.
>
> Not that they state incorrect things.
> But that moment has gone.
> 2000 years of water has flown the river Nile.
> Existence has evolved since then.
> Truth has to be discovered Afresh and the beauty is that Truth is all ways
> Virgin to whoever arrives.
>
> Traversing myself I find for me two methodology which helped me go
> deeper
>
> A)Meditation, not prayer which is just plea-bargaining, not
> reflection/contemplation because that needs the other.
>
> The process to encounter oneself through awareness beyond all conceptions,
> beyond all experiences (they all emanate from one's conditionings;Have you
> ever heard a Christian "sighting" Krishna or a Hindu experiencing Jesus or
> a Mohammedan visualizing Mother Mary) for me that process is meditation.It
> is a process not Truth and as all crutches it has to be dropped at an
> appropriate time
>
> B)Observing Life without any apriori assumption.A child's eyes which sees
> everything (in awe) to be a Mystery.
>
> A mystery which is not to be solved but to be lived.
>
> Just some wandering thoughts on a mysterious night.
>
> Sandeep
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