1998/04/15 09:44
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #295
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 295
Today's Topics: Unidentified subject! [ "zarcon pitom" ]
Thought for the day [ Jack7122 ] Re: Thought for the day [ "Mark A. Collins" ]
Re: I Am That [ Jerry Katz ] Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kun [ anandajyoti ]
Unidentified subject! [ GEMINI ] book recommendation [ "Jason S. White" ]
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:20:27 PDT From: "zarcon pitom"
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" WHY WORRY?"
There are only two things to worry about - either you are well or you are sick. If you are well, then there is nothing to worry about. But if
you are sick, there are two things to worry about. Either you will get well or you will die. If you get well there is nothing to worry about.
If you die there are only two things to worry about - either you will go to Heaven or Hell. If you go to Heaven there is nothing to worry about.
But if you go to Hell, you'll be so damn busy shaking hands with friends, you won't have time to worry!
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THE RAINBOW BRIDGE
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There is a bridge connecting Heaven and Earth. It is called the Rainbow Bridge because of its many colors. Just this
side of the Rainbow Bridge, there is a land of meadows, hills and valleys with lush green grass.
When a beloved pet dies, the pet goes to this place. There is always food and water and warm spring weather. The old and
frail animals are young again. Those who are maimed are made whole again. Thwy play all day with each other.
There is only one thing missing. They are not with their special person who loved them on Earth.
So, each day they run and play until the day comes when one suddenly stops playing and looks up! The nose twitches! The ears are up!
The eyess are staring! And this one suddenly runs from the group! You have been seen and, when you and your special
friend meet, you take him or her in your arms and embrace. Your face is kissed again and again and again, and you look once more into the eyes
of your trusting pet. Then you cross the Rainbow Bridge together, never again to be
separated.
Anonymous
zarcon
i am of the ages ______________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:16:09 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: margolisATnospamtransbay.net Subject: Re: childhood kundalini (was RE: kundalini questions)
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>>Dan wrote:
>> What practice or experience caused your kundalini >>to awaken?
>>Joe replied: >>Mine was awake at birth.
> >>Kurt asks:
>>I wonder if you could expand on your comment ``awake at birth''. Can >you tell us more about what you were (and are) experiencing?
>> >Joe replies:
>K takes Susumna or other appropriate route, in me it took Vajra nadi.
>Vajra can lead to several different things, among them a strong >appetites (for food and drink among other things), a strong sex drive,
>and psychic powers.
>KK: In my understanding sushumna consists of three parts: vajra, chittra
>and viraja. So I'm not sure the distinction your making between vajra nadi
>and sushumna.
Susumna contains within it chittra and bhrama nadis and, I believe, one or two others. Sorry I'm not near my references and frankly I am a bit
of a pragmatist, if it concerns me I pay attention and remember otherwise I tend to forget.
Vajra is not a part of Susumna. They both go through the major chakras,
from root through Ajna but Vajra is not inside Susumna (nor vice versa). Actually Vajra is longer than Susumna and has a second path from root
toward 2nd chakra and extends past Ajna into the brain centers (hence it's a good path to get psychic powers).
>
>KK: >Joe, the reason that I'm pressing on here is that I don't have a model
for >pre-pubescent kundalini experiences. (That doesn't mean there isn't
one.) >Anyway, here's what I say in the Kundalini FAQ - would you agree? Did
>you experience these in childhood? >
>What are the signs of an awakened kundalini? >
>Briefly, according to classical literature the signs of an awakened >kundalini can be grouped into: mental signs, vocal signs and physical
>signs. >Mental signs can include visions that range from ecstatically blissful
to >terrifyingly frightful. Vocal signs can include spontaneous vocal
>expressions that range from singing or reciting mantras to make various >animals sounds such as growling or chirping. Physical signs include
>trembling, shaking and spontaneously performing hatha yoga postures and >pranayamas.
> >From a more subjective perspective the more pleasant experiences
associated >with a kundalini awakening may include: waves of bliss, periods
>of elation, glimpses of transcendental consciousness. The less pleasant >experiences associated with a kundalini awakening may include:
>trembling, sharp aches in areas associated with the cakras, periods of >irrational anxiety, sudden flashes of heat.
>
What I experienced is not inconsistant with your list. Of course everyone doesn't have all the symptoms. I did have experiences that
could be included in this subset of your examples: >Mental signs can include visions that range from ecstatically blissful
to >terrifyingly frightful.
(would include my dreams as your visions, though they were just matter of fact for the most part.)
>From a more subjective perspective the more pleasant experiences
associated >with a kundalini awakening may include: waves of bliss, periods
>of elation, glimpses of transcendental consciousness. The less pleasant >experiences associated with a kundalini awakening may include:
>periods of irrational anxiety,
Not real clear about some of the meanings but I did have flashes of true happiness/bliss/elation, though the best remembered were after puberty.
(As a teenager I once had a moment of bliss while sitting on a hillside next to a girl I was dating just watching clouds go by and I thought I
was in love with her. She was a very nice girl and I am sure became a nice woman, but I can't begin to guess how unhappy we'd have made each
other if I hadn't finally cut and run a few months later.)
Namaste,
Joe
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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:48:39 -0500
From: John Heaton To: lobATnospamlineone.net
CC: Kundalini list Subject: Re: Snakey stuff
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Ed Jason wrote:
> > Krishnamurti was trained by weirdos from the theosophical society. He made quite a good living by saying 'look within do not follow me'. He of course had many followers. Ridiculous. >>A person with real wisdom finds it easy to not become a guru < - which is what Krishnamurti effectvely was.
> > Would you say that feelings of intense despair and separation (also experienced by mystics) are signposts of greater or lesser significance? I suggest they are equally irrelevant.
> > Blissfully
> Lobster
John: Hello 'o crusty one. I do not wish to nit pick or take a sentence out
of context, but there is something I do not understand. It seems one of your criteria for discounting a guru is their popularity. Is it not
possible that a truly wise man could walk the path of popularity, that in fact some of the considered wisest were the most popular? Buddah,
Jesus, Aristotle to name a few. What do you suppose our opinion of these men would be if they were 'making their mark' today?
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:23:55 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Williams
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Unidentified subject!
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Zarcon,
You wrote of the Rainbow Bridge .... a segment of your email...When a
beloved pet dies, the pet goes to this place.
I have been there, years ago when a poodle who meant so much to our family crossed over. I remember seeing all types of animals, from those we call
wild to those we consider domestic, all living together peacefully. Walking among them were what I called Monks for lack of a better name. One came
up to me and told me that it was to early to see Susie, as she was still resting but he wanted to assure me she was being taken care of.
A few days later I awoke to see Susie sleeping at the foot of our bed, then she disappeared. I got out of bed carefully not disturbing the spot
where I saw her. There I found an indented place in the covers, one like she would have left if she had physically been there. FYI this was
not normal as Susie never slept in our bed.
Just a sharing, Pat Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:33:51 EDT
From: Jack7122 To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:45:53 -0700 From: "Mark A. Collins"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Thought for the day
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Jack7122 wrote: >
> self. In order to get the most out of life we must learn consciously > to change many of our habitual thought patterns. If you are filled
> with fear, refill yourself with faith, for faith always overcomes fear. >
> -- Ernest Holmes, This Thing Called Life >>
Or Macrocosmically speaking, your brainwaves and other more subtle
conscious thought patterns interact with the Zero Point Energy of the Universe to create your experience. Jesus was *a* Son of God simply
because he knew he was. He could do miracles simply because he knew that life happened as we dictate, not as some external force or laws or
physics determine. To him, what he did was not a miracle, but what we at Unity church call "The Law Of Mind Action." Thoughts held in mind
produce after their kind. Think good, live good. Think shit, shit happens. Believe in the "impossible", live the "impossible".
Matter is a vast amount of highly vibrating energy. However, the base
energy, Zero Point Energy, does not vibrate on it's own. It take consciousness to tell it what to do. If you can't walk through a wall,
it's because you believed that the wall was solid, and that you were solid. However, this kind of Belief is not the same as wishful thinking.
It's more like knowing. The awareness that you are a creator of this universe is what allows you to do "miracles."
So think good. Believe good. If you're going to believe anything,
believe on the best happens to you. Believe that only the best happenings are even possible. For then they become the only things that
are possible...
Mark Anthony Collins "The MAC Man"
themacmanATnospammacsrule.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 19:46:15 -0500
From: Glenn Bailey To: Jack7122
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Thought for the day
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Jack7122 wrote: >
> self. In order to get the most out of life we must learn consciously > to change many of our habitual thought patterns. If you are filled
> with fear, refill yourself with faith, for faith always overcomes fear.
I would put it a little differently
If you are filled with fear, remind yourself of who you are Face your fear without resistance
Be with it Recognize that it is not you
Allow it to pass Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:26:25 EDT
From: MsSheWolf To: pwilliamATnospaminfocom.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Pat Williams wrote:
<I have been there, years ago when a poodle who meant so much to our family crossed over. I remember seeing all types of animals, from those we call
wild to those we consider domestic, all living together peacefully. Walking among them were what I called Monks for lack of a better name. One came
up to me and told me that it was to early to see Susie, as she was still resting but he wanted to assure me she was being taken care of.
A few days later I awoke to see Susie sleeping at the foot of our bed, then she disappeared. I got out of bed carefully not disturbing the spot
where I saw her. There I found an indented place in the covers, one like she would have left if she had physically been there. FYI this was
not normal as Susie never slept in our bed.>>
Hi Pat,
A wonderful friend of mine (old indian medicine woman in Washington State) had a son who was killed in a car accident, as was his best friend - both age 14.
The father of her son's best friend told my friend that he would never tell anyone else about this except her, and that is that his dead son came to him
in the middle of the night and told him he had come to get his dog. The next day, the father went outside and that young, healthy dog was dead in the yard.
I thought it was so wonderful to know that animals also cross over.
L&L ....Cher Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:40:48 -0700
From: Jerry Katz To: Sandeep Chatterjee
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: I Am That
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Sandeep Chatterjee wrote: >
> Hello Jerry, >
> >Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj: > >
> >"On a deeper level my experience is your experience. Dive deep within > >yourself and you will find it easily and simply. Go in the direction of
> >'I am'." > >
> >"Give up all questions except one: 'Who am I'? After all, the only fact > >you are sure of is that you are. The 'I am' is certain. The 'I am this'
> >is not. Struggle to find out what you are in reality."
> Great question.
> The problem or the issue is does it have an answer, atleast an answer which > can be confined within boundaries of "words". I wonder.
> If not, asking or posing this question will not mean much. >
> However if the same could be a quest hence a quality of being, a quality of > living in quest then ...................
> > It would be interesting to know where are you Jerry on this question or
> quest? >
> In zikr >
> Sandeep
Sandeep,
Spiritual understanding occurs in silence, in spaces or intervals; and
is not different than silence, spaces, intervals of suchness.
Words that are uttered by an enlightened one will possess a gravity that draws some people toward that silence. In that drawing-toward you may
have a quest which might last an instant or lifetimes.
Where I am in regard to any quest is only relevant to one who is more than curious; it is relevant to one earnestly striving to live in the
atmosphere of 'I am'. With that person I can communicate these things (if I haven't already). That may be you, Sandeep, but you would have to
present yourself in a way that makes that clear.
Jerry Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:09:06 -0700
From: anandajyoti To: Joseph Miller
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, margolisATnospamtransbay.net
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Joseph Miller wrote:
> >K takes Susumna or other appropriate route, in me it took Vajra nadi.
> >Vajra can lead to several different things, among them a strong > >appetites (for food and drink among other things), a strong sex drive,
> >and psychic powers. > Anandajyoti> The Vjra nadi is within the Sushumna and has Rajasic
> Qualities which are mentioned by Joseph as strong appetites for, food, > drinks, sex drive, and psychic powers. In addtion to these, it also makes
> one strongly egocentric, with a strong propensity power to dominate. Most > people who are in business and a have very outstanding careers in trade
> and commerce, have their Vajra Nadi very active. This nadi stops at the > Manipura level. When one needs to connect with the heart center, then one
> has to descend from the course of Vajra Nadi to the MulaDhara, and take > the Kundalini up again through the Chitra Nadi whose qualities are
> Sattvic. The Brahma Nadi, is a subtler nadi , attached to the Chitra Nadi. > It is through the Brahma Nadi that the Kundalini can rise to the
> Sahasrara. The lower extremity of the Chitra Nadi is called as the Door of > Brahma or Brahma-Dwara.
In the general sense, the Sushumna Nadi itself is called the Brama nadi,
because the Brahma Nadi is within the Sushumna.
> Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
> >
> >KK: In my understanding sushumna consists of three parts: vajra, > chittra
> >and viraja. So I'm not sure the distinction your making between vajra > nadi
> >and sushumna. >
> Susumna contains within it chittra and bhrama nadis and, I believe, one > or two others. Sorry I'm not near my references and frankly I am a bit
> of a pragmatist, if it concerns me I pay attention and remember > otherwise I tend to forget.
> > Vajra is not a part of Susumna. They both go through the major chakras,
> from root through Ajna but Vajra is not inside Susumna (nor vice versa). > Actually Vajra is longer than Susumna and has a second path from root
> toward 2nd chakra and extends past Ajna into the brain centers (hence > it's a good path to get psychic powers).
> >
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:27:38 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" To:
Cc: "Kundalini list" Subject: Re: Snakey stuff
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> John: > Hello 'o crusty one. I do not wish to nit pick or take a sentence out
> of context, but there is something I do not understand. It seems one of > your criteria for discounting a guru is their popularity. Is it not
> possible that a truly wise man could walk the path of popularity, that > in fact some of the considered wisest were the most popular? Buddha,
> Jesus, Aristotle to name a few. What do you suppose our opinion of these > men would be if they were 'making their mark' today?
Hi John,
Something you do not understand? Join us, we are a big club :-) Popularity is no indications of sanctity, importance or wisdom. In the Sufi tradition it is said 'God hides his greatest Saints'.
They tried to kill the Buddha a couple of times. Jesus they did kill. The head of the Bahai religion had a fun time in prison - not. Mohammed had to go to war to protect his message. Moses was not popular with Egyptians and so on. When a prophetic vision comes forth it may well be rejected. To be honest I would consider all these people as lacking in wisdom. They tried to explain wisdom - impossible.
To be popular you have to provide what people want. Tell them the Truth - that they are misguided, false, not interested in the real and so on and they will hate you. I also think they Jesus, Mohammed etc were quite raw and immature - incomplete in their training. Jesus it is quite clear was still undergoing a process of change and unfoldment. If you take the Quran sequentially (by when it was revealed) it is very much linked with Mohammed's inspiration at the time.
The Buddha was not clear of his societies prejudice against women, his cosmology was dependent on existing partially erroneous philosophies and so on. However there are genuine teachers. Are there genuine students?
Lobster always willing to Learn
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:59:16 -0400 From: GEMINI
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Unidentified subject!
Message-Id:
Ah, I am so frustrated because I want to get outta the list and I have been
so cooperative and tried all the info provided. I STILL GET 10000 emails a day. I love them, but there are soo many and I really had no idea so many
people belonged to the list......PLEASE HELP ME SOMEONE!!!!!!
WHAT ELSE CAN I DO ?!? Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 09:00:19 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" To: "Kundalini"
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I want to recommend an excellent book
that I've recently read. It deals with exploring the chakra energies by imagining each as an animal, developing a relationship with those animals and
developing relationships of the animals with each other. The result is integration, wholeness and harmony of the different aspects of your being and a
deeper self respect and trust. What's most fantastic is that the animal imagery will show you things that are blocking your growth that are simply not
available to your conscious mind. The key (as always) is to allow the conscious mind not to interfere with the imagery. Anyway, I found it to be
quite a good technique.
The Personal Totem Pole by Eligio Stephen
Gallegos ISBN 0-944164-08-0
Enjoy
Jason.
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:13:31 -0500 From: John Heaton
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Ed Jason wrote:
> > > John:
> > Hello 'o crusty one. I do not wish to nit pick or take a sentence out > > of context, but there is something I do not understand. It seems one of
> > your criteria for discounting a guru is their popularity. Is it not > > possible that a truly wise man could walk the path of popularity, that
> > in fact some of the considered wisest were the most popular? Buddha, > > Jesus, Aristotle to name a few. What do you suppose our opinion of these
> > men would be if they were 'making their mark' today? >
> Hi John, > Something you do not understand? Join us, we are a big club :-)
> Popularity is no indications of sanctity, importance or wisdom. In the Sufi tradition it is said 'God hides his greatest Saints'. > They tried to kill the Buddha a couple of times. Jesus they did kill. The head of the Bahai religion had a fun time in prison - not. Mohammed had to go to war to protect his message. Moses was not popular with Egyptians and so on.
> When a prophetic vision comes forth it may well be rejected. To be honest I would consider all these people as lacking in wisdom. They tried to explain wisdom - impossible. > To be popular you have to provide what people want. Tell them the Truth - that they are misguided, false, not interested in the real and so on and they will hate you.
> I also think they Jesus, Mohammed etc were quite raw and immature - incomplete in their training. Jesus it is quite clear was still undergoing a process of change and unfoldment. If you take the Quran sequentially (by when it was revealed) it is very much linked with Mohammed's inspiration at the time. > The Buddha was not clear of his societies prejudice against women, his cosmology was dependent on existing partially erroneous philosophies and so on.
> However there are genuine teachers. Are there genuine students? >
> Lobster always willing to Learn
Hi Lobster,
I understand what you are saying - sort of. It even makes sense. (that's spooky! :-)))) I like the saying 'God hides His greatest
Saints'...I suppose for the more "advanced" seeker these would be the most marvelous jewels of the ether to dis-cover, paving the way for the
rest of us, holding the door so to speak. It just seems necessary that the majority of common folk (like me)
gotta be whomped on the head to get our attention. I am not saying popularity means perfection, as you point out in your response, just
saying it exposes some to a way of life they might not otherwise of had. I think each and every one of us are genuine students, some are just
more aware of the lessons than others. Thanks Lobster for a fresh perspective.
John :-)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:57:51 -0500 From: quietstar1ATnospamjuno.com (Carolyn C Maloney)
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Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:39:49 -0600 (MDT) From: J B Bell
To: Kundalini-l Mailing List Subject: Comprehensibility
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Please, if you're using Microsoft Outlook for your email, go to your Tools
menu, select Options, click the "Sending" tab, and finally select "Plain Text" as the format for email. Sending in HTML format allows some clever
formatting, but ruins your email for over half the email readers out there. On my mailer, Pine, it ends up looking like this:
1 OK ~20 lines Text (charset: ISO-8859-1)
2 ~42 lines Text (charset: ISO-8859-1) ----------------------------------------
[Part 1, Text/PLAIN (charset: ISO-8859-1 "Latin 1") 20 lines] [Not Shown. Use the "V" command to view or save this part]
[Part 2, Text/HTML (charset: ISO-8859-1 "Latin 1") 42 lines] [Cannot display this part. Press "V" then "S" to save in a file]
Then I have to reply to the letter to be able to read it. Generally I
just delete such letters out of hand. I suspect others do the same.
--JB
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