1998/04/12 02:57
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #290
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 290
Today's Topics:
Religion [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
All Shall Be Well [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts a [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
back home...and thank you.... [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
funny coincidence [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Freda's peace [ Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com> ]
Sisyphus & the Rock of Life [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Re: Sisyphus & the Rock of Life [ "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospammacsru ]
Re: Truth [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Sisyphus & the Rock of Life [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Subject-Object Dualism [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts a [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Just deserts [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Not S&M . . . [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:51:36 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Religion
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A Letter from God
My dear children (and believe Me, that's all of you), I
consider Myself a pretty patient guy. I mean, look at the
Grand Canyon. It took millions of years to get right. And
about evolution? Boy, nothing is slower than designing that
whole Darwinian thing to take place cell by cell and gene by
gene.
I've been patient through your fashions, civilizations, your
wars and schemes, and the countless ways you take Me for
granted until you get yourselves in big trouble again and
again. But on this occasion, I want to let you know about
some of the things that are starting to tick Me off.
First of all, your religious rivalries are driving Me up a
wall. Enough already! Let's get one thing straight. These
are YOUR religions, not Mine. I'm the whole enchilada; I'm
beyond them all. Every one of your religions claims there's
only one of Me (which, by the way, is absolutely true). But
in the very next breath each religion claims to be My
favorite one. And each claims its bible was written
personally by Me, and that all other bibles are man-made.
Oh, Me. How do I ever begin to put an end to such
complicated nonsense?
Okay, listen up now. I'm your Father AND Mother, and I don't
play favorites among My children. Also, I hate to break it
to you, but I don't write. My longhand is awful, and I've
always been more of a doer anyway. So ALL of your books,
including those bibles, were written by men and women. They
were inspired, remarkable people, but they also made
mistakes here and there. I made sure of that, so that you
would never trust a written word more than your own living
heart.
You see, one human being to Me - even a bum on the street -
is worth more than all the holy books in the world. That's
just the kind of guy I am. My spirit is not an historical
thing; it's alive right here, right now, as fresh as your
next breath. Holy books and religious rites are sacred and
powerful, but not more so than the least of you. They were
only mentioned to steer you in the right direction, not to
keep you arguing with each other, and certainly not to keep
you from trusting your own personal connection with Me.
Which brings Me to My next point about your nonsense. You
act like I need you and your religions to stick up for Me or
win souls for My sake. Please, don't do me any favors. I can
stand up quite well on My own, thank you. I don't need you
to defend Me, and I don't need constant credit. I just want
you to be good to each other. And another thing. I don't get
all worked up over money or politics, so stop dragging My
name into your dramas. For example, I swear to Me that I
never threatened Oral Roberts. I never rode in any of
Rajneesh's Rolls Royces. I never told Pat Robertson to run
for president, and I've never NEVER had the conversations
with Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell or Jimmy Swaggart that they
say I did. Of course, come Judgment Day, I certainly intend
to.
The thing is, I want you to stop thinking of religion as
some sort of loyalty pledge to Me. The true purpose of
religions is so that YOU can become more aware of ME, not
the other way around. Believe Me, I know you already. I know
what's in each of your hearts, and I love you with no
strings attached. Lighten up and enjoy Me. That's what
religion is best for. What you seem to forget is how
mysterious I am. You look at the petty differences in your
scriptures and say, "Well, if THIS is the truth, then THAT
can't be.
Instead of trying to figure out My paradoxes and unfathomable
nature - which, by the way, you NEVER will - why not open
your hearts to the simple, common threads in every religion?
You know what I'm talking about. Love and respect everyone.
Be kind. Even when life is scary or confusing, take courage
and be of good cheer, for I am always with you. Learn how to
be quiet, so you can hear My still, small voice (I don't
like to shout). Leave the world a better place by living
your life with dignity and grace, for you are My own child.
Hold back nothing from life, for the parts of you that can
die surely will, and the parts that can't, won't. So don't
worry, be happy. (I stole that last line from Bobby McFerrin,
but Who do you think gave it to him in the first place?)
Simple stuff. Why do you keep making it so complicated? It's
like you're always looking for an excuse to be upset. And
I'm very tired of being your main excuse. Do you think I
care whether you call Me God, Yahweh, G-d, Jehovah, Allah,
Wakatonka, Brahma, Father, Mother or even the Void of
Nirvana? Do you think I care which of My Special Children
you feel closest to - Jesus, Mary, Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed,
or any of the others? You can call Me and My special ones any
name you choose, if only you would go about My business of
loving one another as I love you.
How can you keep neglecting something so simple? I'm not
telling you to abandon your religions. Enjoy your religions,
honor them, learn from them, just as you should enjoy,
honor, and learn from your parents. But do you walk around
telling everyone that your parents are better than theirs?
Your religion, like your parents, may always have the most
special place in your heart; I don't mind that at all. And I
don't want you to combine all the Great Traditions in One
Big Mess. Each religion is unique for a reason. Each has a
unique style so that people can find the best path for
themselves. But My Special Children - the ones your
religions revolve around - all live in the same place (My
heart), and they get along perfectly, I assure you. The
clergy must stop creating a myth of sibling rivalry where
there is none.
My blessed children, the Earth has grown too small for your
pervasive religious bigotries and confusion. The whole
planet is connected by air travel, satellite dishes,
telephones, fax machines, rock concerts, diseases, and
mutual needs and concerns. Get with the program! If you
really want to help Me, then commit yourselves to figuring
out how to feed your hungry, clothe your naked, protect your
abused, and shelter your poor. And just as importantly, make
your own everyday life a shining example of kindness and
good humor. I've given you all the resources you need, if
only you abandon your fear of each other and begin living,
loving, and laughing together.
I'm not really ticked off. I just wanted to grab your
attention because I hate to see you suffer. But I gave you
free will, so what can I do now other than try to influence
you through reason, persuasion, and a little old-fashioned
guilt and manipulation? After all, I AM the original Jewish
Mother. I just want you to be happy, and I'll sit in the
dark. I swear I really am, indeed, with you always. Always.
Trust Me.
Your One and Only, GOD
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:24:36 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: All Shall Be Well
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- From "Four Quartets" by T.S. Eliot
The dove descending breaks the air
With flame of incandescent terror
Of which the tongues declare
The one discharge from sin and error.
The only hope, or else despair
Lies in the choice of pyre or pyre-
To be redeemed from fire by fire.
Who then devised the torment? Love.
Love is the unfamiliar Name
Behind the hands that wove
The intolerable shirt of flame
Which human power cannot remove.
We only live, only suspire
Consumed by either fire or fire.
----------------
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Through the unknown, remembered gate
When the last of earth left to discover
Is that which was the beginning;
At the source of the longest river
The voice of the hidden waterfall
And the children in the apple-tree
Not known, because not looked for
But heard, half-heard, in the stillness
Between two waves of the sea.
Quick now, here, now, always-
A condition of complete simplicity
(Costing not less than everything)
And all shall be well and
All manner of thing shall be well
When the tongues of flame are in-folded
Into the crowned knot of fire
And the fire and the rose are one.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:28:39 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts and the K-list website.
Message-ID: <352FC467.7E71ATnospamblarg.net>
Dearest David,
Rich cannot "cheat" on me
there are no binding "ownership" contracts between us
he can stray however,
which is his right and mine,
sorry,
no blood shed for the benifit of society here in this household.
freda
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:47:57 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: back home...and thank you....
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Hi,
Back from the Emergency Room. After all your work last night I was much
better today, but still no where near straight. The doc concurred with my
diagnosis: mild congestive heart failure...and then added a wrinkle of his
own...a lung and sinus infection.
Very tired now. I'm just not up to answering you all personally, though I
wish I were. But without your help, I am positive I would not have been
better this AM. And I can feel your energy and love still healing me. :-)
BTW, did you guys know that oxygen smells like bug spray?
Going to bed now.
Love,
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:04:54 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: funny coincidence
Message-ID: <352FF716.6BA6ATnospammail.snet.net>
While bike riding today on an empty back road it
occurred to me how funny everything is.
Not a moment to spare a car passes.
I notice its' bumper sticker reads, "Life is humorous".
The gods must have laughed.
David
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:32:26 +0100
From: Delirium <deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Freda's peace
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Maybe *that's* what was meant by "The peace that passeth all
understanding."????
<giggle>
--Delirium
**************
freda wrote:
> I beleive in peace.
> even if I did nearly chop rich's head off!!!
and David Bozzi replied:
That's some peace you have there Freda.And if Rich cheats on you what
piece will
you nearly chop off?
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 09:36:42 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Sisyphus & the Rock of Life
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Hi Imtgxxx
The story of Sisyphus for me (without the metaphysical BS) is about oneself
and one's life.
Setting aside Sisyphus (supposed) evil doings and his punishment etc etc
could we see that there is just this moment, then pushing the rock up the
hill or watching it roll down are in a way the same thing.
The ordinary interpretation is the Sisyphus's task is unpleasant. Yet all
that happens is pushing up, watch it roll down, moment to moment.
Like Sisyphus we all are doing what we are doing moment to moment .But to
that activity we add judgments, ideas.
Hell lies not in the pushing up of the rock, but in thinking about it, in
creating ideas of hope and disappointment in wondering whether I will
finally get the damn rock to stay put.
Our efforts do make things happen and in making them happen we get to the
next second. Perhaps the rock will stay put, perhaps it won't. Neither
event in itself is good or bad.
The weight of the rock, the burden is the thought that Life is struggle and
that it should be otherwise.
What would be the enlightened state for Sisyphus?
Just to push the rock, (make the bed, do the laundry, commute to place of
work, face the emotional issues of a relationship etc etc,) and to have
realized
that the hope that life will be other than this, the hope it is no longer
exists.
Most of us imagine that the enlightened state( and I find the kundalini List
quite interested in this hackneyed phrase ) will feel much better than
pushing one's rocks in life.
Have you ever awakened in the morning and muttered, "I don't even want to
think of the things that I have to do today"?
But Life is as it is.
Part of Life as it is, is also the thought or feeling "I just don't want to
do this today"
When that thought is what I acknowledge as being present,
then I am just pushing my boulder. I go through the difficult day and I go
to bed and what do I get to do the next day.Somehow the boulder slipped
backed and here I go again.
When we truly live each moment, what happens to the burden of life? What
happens to the boulders? If we are totally what we are, in every second, I
find we begin to experience life as joy.
I find standing between us and a life of joy are our thoughts, our ideas,
our expectations, our hopes and fears.
We can be unwilling so long as we acknowledge our unwillingness and simply
feel it, not escape from it. How do we normally escape?
-Go to the Kudalini List and compose beautiful words, get into real
intellectual
debate
-Become temporarily ill, procrastinate
etc etc
I find when I am aware I see the thousand ways that I try to escape and not
face the reality of the moment. From the time I get up from sleep(sometimes
even during the sleep) to the time I go to bed I am doing something,
pushing boulders.
It's my judgment about what I am doing that is the cause of my unhappiness.
And face the truth. No matter how evolved you are, burdens and boulders do
turn up in your lives.
And there is nothing called "beloved burden" another phrase for the
"Positive thinking" New age terminology. To me "Positive Thinking" and
affirmations are just another set of mind games.
In truth we are all ready free.
Sisyphus was not a prisoner in Hades living out eternal punishment. He was
all ready free because he was just doing what he was doing.
Cheers
Sandeep
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 22:43:01 -0700
From: "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospammacsrule.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Sisyphus & the Rock of Life
Message-ID: <35305465.4A0DATnospammacsrule.com>
To me, the story of Sisyphus is exactly what the Ego (per ACIM) wants us
to go through. The Ego convicts us of being Guilty, from which there is
no reprieve, and thus we are sentenced to Eternal Damnation, with no
hope of Salvation. The Ego tries to convince us that in this state, not
even God can offer us Salvation. (Rediculous, eh?)
> The story of Sisyphus for me (without the metaphysical BS) is about oneself
> and one's life.
> Setting aside Sisyphus (supposed) evil doings and his punishment etc etc
> could we see that there is just this moment, then pushing the rock up the
> hill or watching it roll down are in a way the same thing.
>
> The ordinary interpretation is the Sisyphus's task is unpleasant. Yet all
> that happens is pushing up, watch it roll down, moment to moment.
Yes, Sisyphus gets to push this huge boulder, which is incredibly heavy,
up the hill. It takes him all day to push it up the hill. When it gets
to the top, it rolls back down. To me, this would be hell too...
> Like Sisyphus we all are doing what we are doing moment to moment .But to
> that activity we add judgments, ideas.
> Hell lies not in the pushing up of the rock, but in thinking about it, in
> creating ideas of hope and disappointment in wondering whether I will
> finally get the damn rock to stay put.
That's right. Each individual moment he is pushing the rock, without the
context of the past or the promise (threat) of the future that the past
brings, Sisyphus is actually okay. He is only doing a little physical
labor. However, when he adds the context of the Past, and the implied
lineage that creates the perception of the Future, he is in Hell.
This is how the Ego seeks to trap us. The Ego uses the memory of the
Past and the threat of a Future similar to the Past that we did not
enjoy as a way to imprison us in the Present. However, out of all these
things (including the Ego), only the Present is real.
It doesn't matter whether you're Sisyphus, an ax murderer, a rapist, an
alcoholic, a President, a priest, a Pope, or just someone who talks on
the computer constantly. There is no relevant function of the Past,
except to keep you out of the Present, and away from the Grace of God.
Sisyphus, despite his fate, still had the choice of Heaven or Hell. If
he continued to remember the past of pushing the boulder, and resented
it, then he chose Hell. If he decided to accept his condition with Joy,
and celebrated each moment he was pushing the boulder, then he would be
choosing Heaven. And when you choose Heaven in the face of Hell, then
you shall experience Miracles, inspired by the Love that you share.
Mark Anthony Collins
"The MAC Man"
themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:18:56 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: crazyrobATnospammailexcite.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Truth
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crazyrobATnospammailexcite.com writes:
<< Maybe, just maybe, every neuron in your body is misfiring and telling you
viscious LIES about your own existence! Maybe, just maybe, you're really just
a chair with an overactive imagination. Maybe you should just try to RELAX
>>
(SLAP) Thanks .... I needed that....
Taking a deep breath and relaxing now (sigh)...
xxxtg <~~~ goes off the deep end during these holidays (gotta get the kid
back in school)
* My figment must be imaginating again *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:53:28 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Sisyphus & the Rock of Life
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Sandeep wrote (a whole bunch but I'm snipping all but the gist of it)...
Sisyphus was not a prisoner in Hades living out eternal punishment. He was all
ready free because he was just doing what he was doing.
Dear Sandeep...
Beautiful interpretation!
I was talking this evening with someone about this same thing, asking him his
thoughts of what you had asked - he had come up with the same thing as you
just spoke of. You are exactly right.
I have a tendancy tho to stop doing the *difficult* things in life (and drink
my capuccinos), and let go of the guilt of not doing it. (so it is no wonder
I came up with my interpretation!).
Your interpretation was very meaningful for me in that I have another way of
looking at the things in life that I know I want (or must) do but have put a
judgement on (without realizing it) -- your words of this symbology really hit
home. I am grateful to you for this. This is an answer I've been searching
for diligently for the past week.
Graci Me Amigo...
xxxtg
* No matter how big or soft or warm your bed is, you still have to get out of
it *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 14:42:21 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Subject-Object Dualism
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Hi everybody
Trust you all had a good weekend Easter or otherwise.
For some time in the past I had been focusing on the issue of Subject-Object
Dualism. Every meditation worth it's salt is supposed to dissolve this
dualism.
I could see that all my disharmony and difficulty comes from not knowing
what to do with this subject-object relationship.
Ordinarily the world is divided into subjects and objects. I look at you, I
go to work, I sit on a chair. In all these activities I think of myself as
the subject relating to an object, you, my work, the chair etc.
Not really dissolving the dualism(most of the time we only think we have
done so) I
see the objects as the source of my problems. You are my problem, my work
is my problem, this chair is a problem.
When I see myself as a problem I have converted myself into an object.
So I run from objects which I perceive as problems and seek those objects
which I perceive as non problems (in this New Age objects like seeking,
searching for truth, peace, serenity, Enlightenment, Ultimate, service to
other, charity, etc etc)
>From this point of view Life consists of me and things that please me, or
don't please me.
Much of the so called meditative techniques (Like Positive Thinking and
like) focuses on emptying the object of the "conditioning" that we have
attached to it. Conditioning like --"this" gives me joy, "that" doesn't.
I then congratulate myself because such a state is blissful because the
empty object is no longer troublesome to us.
But the dualism still remains because somebody, some inner voice is still
saying "This is It". A hidden subject remains observing a blank object.
When we return to daily life, the blissful state dissipates and we are back
into the subject-object dualism.
True meditation it seems to me does not get rid of the object, but sees the
object for what it is.
It is about "being" in which there is no subject or object and hence no
separation. There is still me and there's still you but when I realize that
I am just my experience of you, there is no separation between you and me.
I looked at the phenomenon of anger because if you are really honest with
yourself you will agree this is a fairly dominant emotion in our lives.
I was once told that true meditation would not be to "handle" anger but to
become the anger itself, to experience it fully without separation or
rejection. This was difficult for me to "get It" in the beginning but today
I use anger as a tool if appropriate to the situation but I am rarely
angry.
The other issue of true meditation is that if it is all about achieving
oneness with all things and let's forget the esoteric subjects like God,
Ultimate etc etc and let's look at just a mundane activity like washing my
car, if I can be just totally washing the car there is a paradox here.
The paradox is that in "trying" to be one with the washing, with god, with
Truth etc, we still create the dualism, the "trier" and the object of
"trying".
In trying to become IT we are separate from IT.
The very effort defeats itself.(I then got what the Masters specially the
Zen Masters said about just to relax in oneself)
However there is something that I can do.
And that is to be aware of our thoughts separating me from the activity. I
can be aware that I am not fully doing what I am doing (eg eating dinner
and mentally planning etc) Instead of saying or thinking that I'm going to
be one with the washing of the car which is dualistic I can notice what I
am not doing (ie not really washing the car but getting steadily mad that
the car cleaner did not come and how out of shape am I )
To me now meditation is not about having profound experiences, or great
realizations, not about getting to the 7th Light or Kundalini rising or
becoming ONE.
For me meditation is simply maintaining awareness- of my activities and my
thoughts that separate me from the activity.
I read an Tibetan translation which goes something like this
"Awareness is our true self; It's what we are. So we don't have to try to
develop awareness: we simply need to notice how we block awareness with our
thoughts, our fantasies, our opinions, our judgments. We're either in
awareness, which is our natural state or we are doing something else. The
mark of a mature mediator is that most of the time they don't do something
else. They are just here and now, living their life.
Nothing special.
Ultimate freedom is when there is no object and no subject. What is left is
then only Awareness which itself is nothing and yet the whole universe
exists through it."
What to do when I gets lost in thoughts?
Nothing, I just notice that I am lost and I am back in awareness. For
example thinking I am meditating is getting lost into the thought of
meditation. To me that's not meditation.
Noticing this thought, rather than looking for Lights, or Bells or Angels
etc is for me the real meditation.
>From this premise of awareness as real meditation I stumbled onto the fact
that what it means is that if and when I am totally the activity I am
engaged in, I as I, am no more at least for this brief period.
For God or whatever that brief period is eternity.
In awareness
Sandeep
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:39:46 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts and the K-list website.
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> Hey, mornin' Lobster,
> you write:
> > If someone gives - this is a blessing. If they give because 'they are a
> > spiritual person' they are taking . . .
>
> freda says:
> Give, take, to me it makes no difference....
good moring and Happy Easter,
then I won't take up your time with a reply
Lobster
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 06:22:58 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Just deserts
Message-Id: <199804120956.KAA28053ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> > The truth is people find 'the Truth' they deserve.
> On a lighter note, I think the idea that people get the truth they
> deserve has sorry political implications. I don't think it's a nice
> thought to carry around. And what surefire way do we have of knowing
> what anyone's truth is?
This is perhaps an illustration. It had not occured to me that any compassionate person could choose to understand this as meaning something like:
People get what they deserve eg. People are starving because that is their fault.
People starve or injustice occurs. Act of god? Their choice to learn through suffering?
Oh well that's OK then - let them get on with it?
That is 'a truth' no one deserves
So perhaps I will say again - The truth is people find 'the Truth' they deserve . . .
So . . . you gonna share that easter egg or not . . . :-)
Happy Easter
Lobster
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 05:58:22 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Not S&M . . .
Message-Id: <199804120956.KAA25860ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
The fire that iron or gold needs,
would it be good for fresh quinces and apples?
The apple and quince are just slightly raw;
unlike iron, they need only a gentle heat.
But gentle flames are not enough for iron;
it eagerly draws to itself the fiery dragon's breath.
That iron is the dervish who bears hardship:
under the hammer and fire, he happily glows red.
(Rumi, Masnavi, II:827-830)
Sometimes, in order to help, He makes us miserable;
but heartache for His sake brings happiness.
Laughter will come after tears.
Whoever foresees this is a servant blessed by God.
Wherever water flows, life flourishes:
wherever tears fall, Divine mercy is shown.
(Masnavi, I:817-820)
When you feel pain, ask pardon of God;
this pain has its uses.
When He pleases, pain becomes joy;
bondage itself becomes freedom.
When you take a clear look,
you'll see that from God
are both the water of mercy and the fire of anger.
(Masnavi, I:836-837; 852)
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