1998/04/11 11:52
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #289
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 289
Today's Topics:
Die now [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
HELP IS HERE [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Got no cares - no worries . . . [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Sufi [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Help please [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Mysteries (more Rumi) [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Divine Delight-Sufi-Songs of Enlight [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts a [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: Meditation, was: HTML posts and [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: Got no cares - no worries . . . [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Truth [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Meditation, was: HTML posts and [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Sisyphus & the Rock of Life [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts a [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Unidentified subject! [ dticeATnospamaccessone.com (Dr. Daniel Tic ]
Re: Most Excellent Friday/Indeed [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts a [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Truth [ "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospamearthl ]
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:04:34 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Die now
Message-Id: <199804111134.MAA03070ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
Die now, die now, in this Love die; when you have died in this Love,
you will all receive new life.
Die now, die now, and do not fear this death, for you will come
forth from this earth and seize the heavens.
Die now, die now, and break away from this carnal soul, for this
carnal soul is as a chain and you are as prisoners.
Take an axe to dig through the prison; when you have broken the
prison you will all be kings and princes.
Die now, die now before the beauteous King; when you have died before
the King, you will all be kings and renowned.
Die now, die now, and come forth from this cloud; when you come forth
from this cloud, you will all be radiant full moons.
Be silent, be silent; silence is the sign of death; it is because
of life that you are fleeing from the silent one.
- Mawlana Jalaluddin Rumi
["Mystical Poems of Rumi 1," translated by A. J. Arberry, poem no. 80.]
forwarded by Lobster
PS. For those of you who are deranged - this is not talking about suicide!
Honestly some people . . .
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:32:56 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: HELP IS HERE
Message-Id: <199804111134.MAA09093ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> From: Sharon Webb <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
> Subject: help please
> Date: Friday, April 10, 1998 4:12 PM
> If there are any healers who have time, please help me.
My Dear Friend,
You are under our protection. Nothing but your own thoughts can harm you. Calm yourself. Everything is fine. There are many healers sending you protection, sending you prayers.
This is a time of transition.
Be calm.
Know that illusion and thought has no power over you.
For those of you in turmoil - know this:
The *Spirit is *Strong* at this time.
The chaos in you is scared and tries to rise.
The Spirit is Stronger.
THE SPIRIT IS CALM AND PEACEFUL
GOD IS LOVE
ALL WILL
BE WELL
Lobster
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:53:07 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Harsha1MTM" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Got no cares - no worries . . .
Message-Id: <199804111134.MAA08049ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> << Ed Jason wrote:
> > I have met
> > people who thought they were physical immortals and 'realised' and
> > 'enlightened' beings. All these people claim they are interested in 'the
> > Truth'. The truth is people find 'the Truth' they deserve.
>
> Jerry writes:
>
> Read Ed's last sentence very carefully, folks. >>
>
> Harsha: Both brother Jerry and brother Ed make perfect sense to me. First, it
> is plausible as Ed suggests that people find the truth they deserve (Although
> I really and truly feel that everyone deserves only the very very best).
Of course they deserve the best.
For instance it would be a truth not *the truth* they end up with if they are not careful ;-)
We all move on . . .
and through grace or effort or good fortune we find . . .
a truth we do not deserve. A contradiction? Of course. After all the Truth would have to make perfect sense and therefore transcend *opposites* . . .
> Second, brother Jerry is right in suggesting that at the least we read each
> other's last sentences carefully. I do not know how to really improve on this
> advice. O.K, I am going to visualize brother Jerry and brother Ed giving each
> other a big big big hug. Don't squeeze each other too much though. Hey I love
> you guys!
Thanks Harsha. Just remove my shell . . .
Group Hug.
Now what was the question? Doesn't matter really does it?
'nother special Group Hug for Easter - everyone welcome . . .
Ed
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:54:11 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>, <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Sufi
Message-Id: <199804111135.MAA08793ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> Jerry writes:
> No, Dear Friend, it is precisely the solution. The question of whether I
> can trust my feelings, and the question of the validity of sense
> experience, and the resolution of those questions, are prefatory to the
> serious spiritual life as they allow one to feel or intuit deeply. That
> done, I can evaluate any number and quality of stimuli, of which the
> prospective spiritual teacher is just one. Knowing myself, I trust
> myself.
I know myself well enough not to trust my self :-0 just a thought :-)
Just remember what you say is also true. Everything is a question of degree.
This is not about levels but about differences. Approaches and viewpoints may be different. That - as Harsha points out - does not mean either one is wrong; they are both right. Another view may go beyond this too . . .
> Jerry writes:
> So people end up with straw. So what? It happened in Kindergarten and
> it'll always be that way. Not everybody that follows Rajneesh or Osho
> ends up in a mental institution. Some just end up with straw. There are
> risks in every venture. Psychological stability is fundamental to any
> spiritual quest. Somebody has to be responsible to assure that stability
> and, if it is to be undermined in the course of spiritual development,
> someone has to be responsible for that. Rajneesh was remiss in that
> regard, it would appear.
Yes.
> I would like to think that people could approach this list/forum and
> receive good recommendations in which the wheat is clearly identified.
> No I would never recommend anyone get involved with Osho's Ashram. I
> didn't in the Seventies and I wouldn't now. But his books are good.
There are better books. I find books for beginners the most useful.
> Jerry writes:
> I take back my comment on the sword. I do not mean to show disrespect,
> and I do distance myself from discussions on the details of kundalini
> activity, as I do not engage in the related spiritual disciplines and do
> not feel I can intelligently contribute. What I do is sit back and
> listen in amazement to some knowledgeable and articulate people. I
> recognize your expertise in spiritual disciplines and accept what you
> say about Osho being a dead end when it comes to these disciplines that
> you have knowledge about
I am only an expert on not being an expert ;-)
Instead I will tell you a story:
Once upon a time (ah you have heard it - but wait . . . )
Once upon a time an intelligent man began to question all the figures of authority in his home land. He was a philosopher and people came to him and asked about his wisdom. Now because he knew how to ask questions he assumed he must also have the capacity to provide an answer. Sadly though he was bright he was bereft of wisdom but full of vanity. He could not admit that he knew nothing of real wisdom. So he began to act as if he knew everything.
People being people were easily impressed. For in their mind if someone acted as if they knew everything, then they must know everything. Now the philosopher was widely read in the books of many traditions and he took a little from here and a little from there. People were even more impressed. The philosopher even became impressed himself. Perhaps he really was wise after all.
Soon he had a center of learning where people from all over the world came. His words were recorded and made into books. He created a system of dynamic meditation and other special exercises. His disciples were astounded. They had talked him into his own vanity. They believed and he believed in their belief.
Then 'The Master' (as he was now known) said, 'we shall build a new shining city, a monument of learning'. So they went to a new land and all the disciples were called to provide money and to work on this new wonder. However he was (do you remember) not a man of wisdom. He was not blessed with enlightenment and carried no higher mandate. A center of learning exists. His books are still published. One day people will say he was a God. We are indeed fortunate to live in the real world.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (off to find the Wizard of Oz)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:13:54 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Help please
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Hi,
Here's a letter I wrote to some of you last night. I was able to sleep
finally and just woke up. I'm a little better I think. :-) At least the
wired feeling is gone.
I love you.
Sorry for the group response instead of private responses, but I think I
need to go back to bed instead. :-)
I love you.
---------------
Thanks folks for you offer to help. I'm sick. I had rheumatic fever as a
kid and adult and there may have been some heart valve damage. Anyway, I
have the symptoms of congestive heart failure (I'm a nurse)...shortness of
breath, rapid pulse, apprehension, swelling feet.
Everybody wanted me to go to the hospital tonight, but I am
stubborn...although I may tomorrow. :-(
People have been great and I am awed at the response. Lots of ESP going on.
Just got a phone call from a k active friend in Ohio, who just "knew"
something was wrong. Other synchronicities, too.
I'd appreciate any type of healing or prayers or whatever that you could
offer.
I love you all.
Thank you.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:32:37 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Mysteries (more Rumi)
Message-ID: <19980411143237.6019.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>Rumi was something wasn't he?
>
>Just reflect on these lines from him
>
>Beyond right doings
>and beyond wrong doings
>There is a field
>I will meet you there.
>
And)
Mysteries of the Garden of the Beloved
The moment we enter the garden, you and I
All the stars of heaven will run out to gaze at us
As we burn as the full moon itself, you and I
The fire-winged birds of heaven will rage with envy
In that place we laugh ecstatically, you and I
What a miracle, you and I, entwined in the same nest
While I am here in Konya, and you are in Khoassan
What a miracle, you and I, one love, one lover, one Fire
In this world and the next, in an ecstasy without end.
-----Rumi
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:07:41 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: lobATnospamlineone.net, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, margolisATnospamtransbay.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Divine Delight-Sufi-Songs of Enlightenment-Healing Love
Message-ID: <16d955f8.352f873fATnospamaol.com>
Where Shall I Hide This Light
(From Harsha's Songs of Love and Enlightenment)
Filled with divine delight
I can hardly bear my intoxication
sometimes.
It feels like the heart will burst
but vapors of love remain contained,
sealed,
within this shell but seep out
sometimes.
And where shall I hide the light
burning in this Self-fascination
that healed
the scars as if the wounds existed only
in the emptiness of some starless night.
Without any choice was granted this sight
that finds its voice
in these rhymes.
Now that the clouds have burst
waves of the sea remain unstained
and splash over me sometimes.
Copyright - Harsh (Harsha) K. Luthar 1993
You are the seeker and you yourself are the door to the divine. Be at ease.
Let yourself in..... Harsha
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:26:57 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: lobATnospamlineone.net
CC: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts and the K-list website.
Message-ID: <352F8BC1.346ATnospamblarg.net>
Hey, mornin' Lobster,
you write:
> If someone gives - this is a blessing. If they give because 'they are a
> spiritual person' they are taking . . .
freda says:
Give, take, to me it makes no difference....
I am in no hurry to attempt to separate my spiritual endeavers from any
other,
(is that possible?, well if it is I am in no hurry to experment with it)
In all honesty, I begged for something to do! I only work 60 hrs a month
so I have way too much time on my hands.......it was purely a selfish
act then? yuppers!
if others should, by chance, benifit from my selfishness then thats a
bonus.
Lobster also writes:
> Today in Northern Ireland a great risk, an 'impossible' peace agreement came
> into being.
When I heard this last night on the news, I was genuinely excited,
"thank God" is the first thought in my mind, but my enthusiasm was
threatened when I told Rich (my sweetie) about it and he expressed his
doubt. HE then was on the recieving end of MY rath!
Why, Why, Why can't people just accept the good will offered without
doubts!
Accept the goodness in the OFFER of peace! How are the people to
overcome a world of doubters,
I was angry at his belittling the peace NOT one day had gone by and
already faith was waining.
"If two shall gather in my name......poof it is done!" this works.
"If the world doubts, and joins in that doubt?.......poof it is done!"
stands to reason this will work also.
nuf of that---I beleive in peace.
even if I did nearly chop rich's head off!!!
freda
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 08:43:09 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Meditation, was: HTML posts and the K-list website.
Message-ID: <352F8F8D.79ACATnospamblarg.net>
Dear Ann,
You are correct. I was referring to the Meditation which is discussed on
the list.
To each his own......mine is not quiet or still...but oddly enough I
have gained many insights which others speak of which they "meditated"
to achieve.
When I am physically active is when my spirit has its way with me!
thank you for an opportunity to express that.
sending a happy rainbow your way....... :)
freda
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:13:44 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, lobATnospamlineone.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Got no cares - no worries . . .
Message-ID: <352FA4C8.6016ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
> The truth is people find 'the Truth' they deserve.
> > Jerry writes:
> >
> > Read Ed's last sentence very carefully, folks. >>
> >
> > Harsha: Both brother Jerry and brother Ed make perfect sense to me. First, it
> > is plausible as Ed suggests that people find the truth they deserve (Although
> > I really and truly feel that everyone deserves only the very very best).
>
> Of course they deserve the best.
> For instance it would be a truth not *the truth* they end up with if they are not careful ;-)
> We all move on . . .
> and through grace or effort or good fortune we find . . .
> a truth we do not deserve. A contradiction? Of course. After all the Truth would have to make perfect sense and therefore transcend *opposites* . . .
>
> > Second, brother Jerry is right in suggesting that at the least we read each
> > other's last sentences carefully. I do not know how to really improve on this
> > advice. O.K, I am going to visualize brother Jerry and brother Ed giving each
> > other a big big big hug. Don't squeeze each other too much though. Hey I love
> > you guys!
Ed:
> Thanks Harsha. Just remove my shell . . .
> Group Hug.
> Now what was the question? Doesn't matter really does it?
> 'nother special Group Hug for Easter - everyone welcome . . .
>
Jerry writes;
ok group hug, but only if we include Osho's Ashram and the Truth each
and every person knows. I suppose country line dancing is the next thing
we have to do...uh uh ... ... well ... maybe ...
On a lighter note, I think the idea that people get the truth they
deserve has sorry political implications. I don't think it's a nice
thought to carry around. And what surefire way do we have of knowing
what anyone's truth is?
Most of us live in a world where very few others know of our interests
in "spiritual things." But even on this list, where it would appear we
reveal ourselves too much sometimes, no one else really knows what
anyone else has realized.
The comment that each person finds the truth they deserve implies you
know what people deserve, and you don't know what they have realized,
nor what they deserve. And it is dangerous to pretend you do, even
Osho-like.
If we can't speak of the Truth, how can we speak of the Truth people
deserve? I hope we're just in a semantic wilderness here...
... group hug (+=:*';!<) always
possible line dancing || || || |\
...jerry ...
_______________________________
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
"The definition of me is the universe's annihilation."
from The Wild Song of Standing Free, Chapter 3, Verse 3.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:34:03 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Truth
Message-ID: <8836ea9f.352fa98cATnospamaol.com>
If everything is nothing, and nothing is everything, and thoughts are neutral,
and everything is the same (and all the other cliche's), then is there really
a True Truth? Could the Truth be that there is no Truth but what you think
the Truth really is?
Sooo we make up this Truth about Love and Light because it creates for us a
more peaceful and profound life and keeps the karma at bay, or at least coming
back at ya' in a beautiful way.
Maybe the karma thing is a fallacy.
Maybe the Oneness thing is a belief.
Maybe we are in a dream. Maybe we aren't.
Maybe in the end, we find we can create our reality in any ol' way we choose.
Truth I have no trouble with, it's the facts that I get all screwed up.
Maybe me thinking that there is no *real* Truth is creating that truth.
Pondering Truth on the day before the celebrated Resurrection.
...."And the Truth shall set you free...."
Yours Truly,
xxxtg
* Christ died for our sins. Dare we make his martyrdom meaningless by not
committing them? *
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:56:37 -0500
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Meditation, was: HTML posts and the K-list website.
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Hi Freda!
>You are correct. I was referring to the Meditation which is discussed on
>the list.
>To each his own......mine is not quiet or still...but oddly enough I
>have gained many insights which others speak of which they "meditated"
>to achieve.
>When I am physically active is when my spirit has its way with me!
>thank you for an opportunity to express that.
>sending a happy rainbow your way....... :)
I know what you mean! The first time I was really aware of active
meditation was when I saw a hatha yogini give a demonstration. Watching
her flow from one movement into another, completely focussed and still in a
way, even though her body was in movement, I could understand why she said
she was in meditation then.
Since K. came into my life, I call my K. work my "K. meditation." I'm
physically active then, but Shakti insists: "No words, no thinking!"
Catches me up on it, too, if I start thinking of something. Will not allow
thinking - at all!
And that's meditation, too. It's called meditation without seed, when
you're not thinking of one thing or a mantram or a symbol - just not
thinking at all. You don't tell new students to do that, because you don't
want them trying to stop their brains. It isn't done that way, anyhow -
it's done by doing something else.
One day Shakti said to me, "It's recess time! Recess from thinking! Come
on out and play!" I love that - it makes it very easy for me to relax into
it when I can just say, "It's recess time now!"
Love,
Ann
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:06:20 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Sisyphus & the Rock of Life
Message-ID: <a71df313.352fb11eATnospamaol.com>
sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in writes:
.... The Greek mythological story of Sisyphus,King of Corinth tells of him
.. condemned by the gods to Hades and eternal punishment. Endlessly he had to
roll ..an enormously heavy boulder up a hill-- and when he got it to the top,
it would roll ..down again. He would struggle to get it to the top only to
watch it roll down over and..over again, for eternity.
.. It would be interesting to get the views of the members of the Kudalini
List
.. on this myth.
I see this as we seem to think we sinned and must be punished and banned to
some sorta Hell. So we stupidly continue doing the same thing over and over
because we think we have to pay for our *sins* (probably cause we believe in
Karma, or we believe there is something for us to learn from the situation, or
we believe what others tell us we have to do, or because we are ignorant of
the fact that there must be a better way).
Sandeep: ...What would be the enlightened state for King Sisyphus?If he
pushes the boulder for a 1000 years what may he finally have realized?
That what he is doing is futile and never-ending. He stops and accepts this
fact. He begins to question the stupidity of the situation. He looks for a
better way. Once he realizes that he didn't do anything wrong, other than his
own guilt feelings about the situation, that there is no need for punishment,
he is able to let go of the guilt, and therefore, his damnation to pushing the
friggin' rock is over. He just stops pushing the rock uphill, realizing that
the rock is exactly where it is supposed to be, and stays where he is at and
has a capuccino, or walks up the mountain alone without the rock, or walks
around the mountain without the rock. Doesn't really matter where he goes
since he doesn't have to push that rock anymore. Hell is gone and he is free.
On my way back up the hill with yet but another boulder, while pondering what
I just said,
xxxtg
* Quit trying to change anyone, unless of course they aren't toilet trained *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:14:11 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net, Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts and the K-list website.
Message-ID: <352FB2F3.F13E9B90ATnospammail.snet.net>
freda wrote:
> I beleive in peace.
> even if I did nearly chop rich's head off!!!
That's some peace you have there Freda.And if Rich cheats on you what piece will
you nearly chop off?
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 11:31:34 -0800
From: dticeATnospamaccessone.com (Dr. Daniel Tice)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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Joe, I am very curious what it must have been like to have the K at birth,
and how did you and your family discover this was awakened in you from
birth? If it isn't too personal, could you describe some earliest
experiences you had?
Thank You! -Lisa
Dan wrote:
I would like to propose another survey. For everyone on the list who's
kundalini is awakened:What practice or experience caused your kundalini
to
awaken?
------
Dan,
Mine was awake at birth.
If you need a cause it would be my work in a past life and/or my mother
having an awakened K (according to the Vedic teachings a woman who
becomes pregnant after she has an awakening will have a child whose K is
awake). Base on what I know and logic, I'd say it was both.
I was just in a research focus group with 5 other people who, like me,
were born with K awake. This is not to say it took anything like the
same path in any two of us.
I know several friends who did not have an awakening at birth the all
used Vedic based techniques to awaken it that were sometimes the same as
what I was using to control and direct it and sometimes slightly
different but all along the same lines.
Namaste,
Joe
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:39:40 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Most Excellent Friday/Indeed
Message-ID: <352FB8EC.D0C952E8ATnospammail.snet.net>
Ed Jason wrote:
> When open to the possibility of the Impossible it comes into Being.
Behold... the world.
> Whatever next? A miracle perhaps?
Along with the inquiry into the impossible lies a miracle.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 14:45:16 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Freda's Comments on HTML posts and the K-list website.
Message-ID: <352FBA3B.4C16F40CATnospammail.snet.net>
freda wrote:
> I beleive in peace.
> even if I did nearly chop rich's head off!!!
That's some peace you have there Freda.And if Rich cheats on you what piece will
you nearly chop off?
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:51:54 -0700
From: "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Truth
Message-ID: <352FC9DA.46DAATnospamearthlink.net>
Everything we see is not real. However, that doesn't mean there isn't
any truth. It just means that all truth derived from this existence is
not real. The real Truth is real, and only it is real. Our Oneness is
that Truth, and our likeness to our Creator is that Truth. We are
Co-Creators with our Creator.
However, when we decided to go into denial about who we are, we created
a world where we could convince ourselves that we are little and
powerless. However, none of this is real. In our Oneness, we are more
powerful than any Q (StarTrek) or Greek diety, since *WE* created Time,
Space, and Matter. However, when we're done being in denial, we will no
longer need Time and Space, and it will cease to exist. Then we will
awaken, and realize that none of this illusion ever happened. We were
always One with the One, for all Eternity.
Mark Anthony Collins
"The MAC Man"
themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
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