1998/04/10 20:46
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #286
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 286
Today's Topics:
Re: Enlightenment: What Is It? [ croatonATnospambanet.net (Jack ) ]
Re: Enlightenment: What Is It? [ Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net> ]
Re: Sufi [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: Enlightenment: What Is It? [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
help please [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Most Excellent Friday/Indeed [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l ( [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l ( [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: Most Excellent Friday/Indeed [ "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospamearthl ]
Kundalini Web Site [ "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospamearthl ]
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:59:30 GMT
From: croatonATnospambanet.net (Jack )
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment: What Is It?
Message-ID: <352e878d.2739799ATnospamsmtp.banet.net>
What does enlightenment mean to you?
It means never having to say, "How can I become enlightened?"
And yet there are people, no doubt well meaning and sincere, who will
ask,
"Have you had it confirmed!"
Confirmed? Holy Cow!!!!! What? Do you get a Postcard or something from
Enlightenment Central?
Seriously, you'll know when it happens. No one has to confirm anything
for you. There are many tell-tale signs.
Jack
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:11:06
From: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
To: croatonATnospambanet.net (Jack ), kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment: What Is It?
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At 08:59 PM 4/10/98 GMT, Jack wrote:
> What does enlightenment mean to you?
>
> It means never having to say, "How can I become enlightened?"
>
>And yet there are people, no doubt well meaning and sincere, who will
>ask,
>"Have you had it confirmed!"
>
>Confirmed? Holy Cow!!!!! What? Do you get a Postcard or something from
>Enlightenment Central?
You mean you don't get a membership card and a decoder ring? No sticker
for your car window, no booklet outlining the technique for the secret
handshake? I'm crestfallen.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:59:46 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, lobATnospamlineone.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sufi
Message-ID: <36cea8b7.352e9655ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/10/1998 1:17:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes:
<< Ed Jason wrote:
> I have met
> people who thought they were physical immortals and 'realised' and
> 'enlightened' beings. All these people claim they are interested in 'the
> Truth'. The truth is people find 'the Truth' they deserve.
Jerry writes:
Read Ed's last sentence very carefully, folks. >>
Harsha: Both brother Jerry and brother Ed make perfect sense to me. First, it
is plausible as Ed suggests that people find the truth they deserve (Although
I really and truly feel that everyone deserves only the very very best).
Second, brother Jerry is right in suggesting that at the least we read each
other's last sentences carefully. I do not know how to really improve on this
advice. O.K, I am going to visualize brother Jerry and brother Ed giving each
other a big big big hug. Don't squeeze each other too much though. Hey I love
you guys!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:18:08 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Sharon Webb'" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Enlightenment: What Is It?
Message-ID: <01BD649C.41005AE0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Sharon asks:
Hi,
And how about yet another survey? I suspect there are as many different
answers to this one as there are list members. And I really would like to
know.
What does enlightenment mean to you?
KK:
That's a great question. I think the Mahayana Buddhist definition of
enlightenment is the most meaningful to me. It has two parts:
1) the elimination of negative emotions like: anger, attachment (not to be
confused with desire or wish), jealousy, envy, greed, hatred, harmful
intention, doubt etc. and
2) the realization of the union of bliss and emptiness in an omniscient
awareness
I like this definition because it's practical. Do I experience anger -
oops, looks like I'm not so enlightened after all. Talking the talk is one
thing. Walking the walk is another.
To preempt what might become a protracted discussion. An enlightened person
can certainly demonstrate emotion but that emotion does not overwhelm their
awareness. When I get angry the anger rips my awareness. When an
enlightened person demonstrates anger (presumably as a teaching) then their
experience of awareness is untouched.
I also work with the definition from the Natha yoga tradition:
The root chakra is pierced - and one can never again believe that one is
simply this physical body
The heart chakra is pierced - and the individual ego dissolves ( I believe
that the negative emotions are eliminated at this point as well).
The brow cakra is pierced - and the identity expands to a total unity with
the universe.
I used to think a lot more people were enlightened. I used to think that
every Tibetan Tulku (incarnation) or Swami was enlightented. Then I thought
that at least the major Tulku's and the Swami's that headed entire schools
were enlightened. (yes, all this was awfully naive). These days I think
that there are very, very few beings who have achieved enlightenment on
this planet. But I'm looking forward to being pleasantly surprised.
Kind Regards,
Kurt
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:12:51 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: help please
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If there are any healers who have time, please help me.
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:06:13 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: thegardenATnospamworld.std.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, lobATnospamlineone.net
Subject: Re: Most Excellent Friday/Indeed
Message-ID: <19980411000614.18118.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>Reply-To: <lobATnospamlineone.net>
>From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
>To: "Garden (the)" <thegardenATnospamworld.std.com>,
> "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
>Subject: Most Excellent Friday
>Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:44:47 -0700
>
>I hear that God died today - and they call it Good Friday?
Dear Ed,
With utmost respect for the points you are making with your post here,
may I share some thoughts on Jesus?? When I thought I had outgrown my
childhood religion and took up the usual professed atheism prevelant in
the college years, I still could not forget that Jesus was a real person
who did actually live and teach and die...so, putting aside any and all
other "beliefs" about divinity or theology- what is left?? Jesus "knew"
he was going to be killed, yet did not resist. He rebuked a disciple who
harmed a soldier in an attempt to defend Jesus. When falsely accused, he
did not defend himself. While being killed, he asked forgiveness for his
killers, because "they know not what they do." Whether anyone considers
Jesus to be God or man is simply irrelevant to this basic truth he
spoke. Because he was saying that there simply is NO difference ...
because when you harm another, you harm yourself and everyone else and
also God...because we are all divine and one... So?? Do we kill God???
Who has not??? Everytime we fail to see divinity in ourselves and
others, we kill God. At least this was Jesus opinion.. Good Friday is
today and today is every day.
The good news is that God understands us...Jesus willingly allows and
offers his death to us...just hoping this glimpse of forgiving divinity
may open our eyes...to see we are not separate.
Gloria Lee
PS. The Irish and the English reached a peace agreement today!
May be some killing is stopping to happen.
So Lobster, Dead or Alive, God is pleased today. Metaphorically
speaking, of course. :)
>Most Excellent Friday would be more up to date.
>If you are a Christian I probably shouldn't tell you the ending (but he
=
>*doesn't really* die - hope this doesn't spoil it for you).
>On the whole I am very keen on God dying 'cause we have to an' it's all
=
>His fault - you can't blame me for what Adam did. Mainly 'coz Adam is a
=
>metaphor (what ever that is).
>So what with Guru training, Alien abduction (I am designing a wheat =
>trap) I shall now add God Killing to my hobbies.
>How to kill God? If he is burning bush - use a bucket of water (this =
>also worked in the Wizard of Oz). If he is an Epiphany (as happened to
=
>Daniel) you could try special wrestling techniques or have a really
good =
>tag partner.
>Now of course the easiest God of all to kill is the one you respect.
The =
>one you keep in your head. That of course is just imagination and was =
>never real anyway, anyhow.
>
>So instead of wasting your efforts on God. Do something Nice for
someone =
>this Easter. Dead or Alive God would be most pleased . . .
>
>Lobster
>Egging Easter On
>
>
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Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 02:25:09 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Jeanne Garner" <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
Cc: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
<keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'Mystress Angelique Serpent'" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the K-list website.)
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> From: Jeanne Garner [mailto:jeannegATnospamicon.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 9:34 AM
> To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu; 'Mystress Angelique Serpent'; Jan
> Barendrecht
> Cc: b bah; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the
> K-list website.)
>
>
In principle, usenet can give several useful facilities. Spam isn´t much of
a problem anymore, particularly when one´s post ends with non-existing links
like:
mailto:drop-meATnospamblackhole.com
mailto:we-allATnospamouterspace.org etc.
Some spammers even received E-mail bombs and threats of prosecution.
If a celebrity publicly advises against the use of meat, the link with
economy shows clearly. Alternative ways of healing are considered to be a
danger for allopathy. Treating illness is important business. Discussing it
in an open forum will invite ‘noise-factors´ who could be paid for their
job. With K. it is similar: it isn´t something that can be discussed openly.
Among the population it is very rare and an outsider, reading all the posts
of K.-ists would be rather baffled - this alone would invite unwanted
visitors. Not only are the side-effects of K. misinterpreted as psychic
illnesses, they can be explained as the effects of using psychedelic drugs
as well. See:
http://www.csp.org/docs/Kundalini_survey.html
The results from this could be even more devastating, possibly leading to
job-loss. When I was showing signs of K., it was thought to be a delayed
side effect of an illegal interrogation with very illegal chemicals and it
was wrongly diagnosed as permanent mental damage due to overdose.
Then, who can talk at work or even with family about K. when it is
impossible to prove one didn't take drugs? So it seems to me that Jeanne
has a point. Only with the security of some kind of ‘firewall´ there will be
enough confidence to tell one´s story. A statute with a paid membership
could prevent abuse also - it will put to an end a member´s anonymity.
Just my 1¢
Jan
> At 07:55 PM 4/9/98 -0700, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> >I guess we've had different experiences. I've read
> >alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan for years now - relatively
> incident free.
> >I've also participated in alt.meditation and alt.yoga periodically. I
> >encountered some drifting ``barricudas'' there - but with a good news
> >reader it's very easy to navigate around anything and anyone you want to
> >avoid.
>
> Maybe it depends on the newsgroup--Jan also mentioned different levels of
> controversy/hostility, but I do know alt.healing.reiki (the worst one of
> the usenets I'd tried) was heavy on ridicule, flames, and even personal
> threats--one lady received telephone calls threatening her! (That's why I
> created my own newsgroup on the private server.)
>
> >> For another thing, any time you
> >>post on the usenet, your email address is spam-bait. You'll
> probably have
> >>more email in your email box than you would normally get from a
> day's worth
> >>of k-list chit-chat.
>
> >KK:
> >There has been a lot of technological progress on eliminating
> SPAM. I read
> >my news on www.dejanews.com and experience NO SPAM. Try and see
> if you have
> >a better experience.
>
> This is all well and good as long as you don't actually post--yes, the
> usenet newsgroups did have some public spam, but the worst spam
> was all the
> junque that landed in my email box because of these software packages that
> gather names for that purpose. I'm not alone in this--I know lots of
> people who won't use usenet for that reason alone.
Jan: many are using several fake E-mail addresses at the end of a post,
like:
dropATnospamblackhole.com we-allATnospamouterspace.org etc. Spammers don´t like
this, because it results in undeliverable (and returned) E-mail.
>
> >Let me put it this way. Visualize this newsgroup as a daily mail
> delivery
> >of a bundle of letters. What would you like to find there? Is
> this what you
> >are currently receiving? If not - how would you change it?
>
> The digests help a lot if volume is a problem. But you're right about one
> thing, I do like the threading that you can get on newsgroups.
> How would I
> change it? I think, if it had to be a newsgroup, I'd go for one of the
> private servers like sff.net (I would suspect there are others). That way
> the moderator maintains a modicum of control, the users are protected from
> mail bombs and spam, and the group maintains its close, helpful, and often
> comforting atmosphere.
>
> When this list was set up, it was done so that people would have some
> degree of confidence that they were among helpful people, among
> friends who
> wouldn't be overly critical of what they were experiencing. There was (is
> there still?) and option to post anonymously, and for good reason--people
> are still being diagnosed with mental illness when, in fact, it's
> kundalini. Would that be possible on usenet? My understanding is no...
>
> What would I like to find in my bundle of letters? Pretending I have this
> nifty magic wand, I'd wave it, and find:
>
> * Intros from newbies
>
> * Questions about experiences, where they might lead, what they
> might mean
>
> * Answers from people who have "been there"
>
> * Discussions on these questions and answers
>
> * Questions/answers on "how to" (fill in the blanks)
>
> * Personal experiences from people who have "been there"
>
> * Discussions about new books on the subject
>
> * An occasional rehash of k-stimulants: music, mantra, etc.
>
> * Information about related public events (conferences, etc.)
>
> * Requests for, and discussions about, k-related healing
>
> * The real subject of the post in the subject line
>
> Whisking the magic wand again, what would I not want to see?
>
> * Voluminous messages because of lack of snipping
>
> * Large numbers of one-liners
>
> * Spam (hardly ever any here anyway)
>
> * Note after note saying the same thing (always)
>
> * Nitpicking, whether it's semantics of some other small point
>
> * Notes saying, essentially, "My path (or guru, etc.) is better
> than yours"
>
> * Notes that have virtually no bearing on the topic in the subject line
>
> But that's just me....others might actually enjoy the things I don't, and
> not be particularly interested in the things that interest me.
>
>
> Jeanne
> ==-* My stars!
>
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 02:25:22 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: "Jeanne Garner" <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
Cc: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
<keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'Mystress Angelique Serpent'" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the K-list website.)
Message-ID: <000101bd64e8$b2b8fce0$6cf14dc3ATnospamjb>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
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> From: Jeanne Garner [mailto:jeannegATnospamicon.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 9:34 AM
> To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu; 'Mystress Angelique Serpent'; Jan
> Barendrecht
> Cc: b bah; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the
> K-list website.)
>
>
In principle, usenet can give several useful facilities. Spam isn´t much of
a problem anymore, particularly when one´s post ends with non-existing links
like:
mailto:drop-meATnospamblackhole.com
mailto:we-allATnospamouterspace.org etc.
Some spammers even received E-mail bombs and threats of prosecution.
If a celebrity publicly advises against the use of meat, the link with
economy shows clearly. Alternative ways of healing are considered to be a
danger for allopathy. Treating illness is important business. Discussing it
in an open forum will invite ‘noise-factors´ who could be paid for their
job. With K. it is similar: it isn´t something that can be discussed openly.
Among the population it is very rare and an outsider, reading all the posts
of K.-ists would be rather baffled - this alone would invite unwanted
visitors. Not only are the effects of K. misinterpreted as psychic
illnesses, they can be explained as the effects of using psychedelic drugs
as well. See:
http://www.csp.org/docs/Kundalini_survey.html
The results from this could be even more devastating, possibly leading to
job-loss. When I was showing signs of K., it was thought to be a delayed
side effect of an illegal interrogation with very illegal chemicals and it
was wrongly diagnosed as permanent mental damage due to overdose.
Then, who can talk at work or even with family about K. when it is
impossible to prove one didn't take drugs? So it seems to me that Jeanne
has a point. Only with the security of some kind of ‘firewall´ there will be
enough confidence to tell one´s story. A statute with a paid membership
could prevent abuse also - it will put to an end a member´s anonymity.
Just my 1¢
Jan
> At 07:55 PM 4/9/98 -0700, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> >I guess we've had different experiences. I've read
> >alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan for years now - relatively
> incident free.
> >I've also participated in alt.meditation and alt.yoga periodically. I
> >encountered some drifting ``barricudas'' there - but with a good news
> >reader it's very easy to navigate around anything and anyone you want to
> >avoid.
>
> Maybe it depends on the newsgroup--Jan also mentioned different levels of
> controversy/hostility, but I do know alt.healing.reiki (the worst one of
> the usenets I'd tried) was heavy on ridicule, flames, and even personal
> threats--one lady received telephone calls threatening her! (That's why I
> created my own newsgroup on the private server.)
>
> >> For another thing, any time you
> >>post on the usenet, your email address is spam-bait. You'll
> probably have
> >>more email in your email box than you would normally get from a
> day's worth
> >>of k-list chit-chat.
>
> >KK:
> >There has been a lot of technological progress on eliminating
> SPAM. I read
> >my news on www.dejanews.com and experience NO SPAM. Try and see
> if you have
> >a better experience.
>
> This is all well and good as long as you don't actually post--yes, the
> usenet newsgroups did have some public spam, but the worst spam
> was all the
> junque that landed in my email box because of these software packages that
> gather names for that purpose. I'm not alone in this--I know lots of
> people who won't use usenet for that reason alone.
Jan: many are using several fake E-mail addresses at the end of a post,
like:
dropATnospamblackhole.com we-allATnospamouterspace.org etc. Spammers don´t like
this, because it results in undeliverable (and returned) E-mail.
>
> >Let me put it this way. Visualize this newsgroup as a daily mail
> delivery
> >of a bundle of letters. What would you like to find there? Is
> this what you
> >are currently receiving? If not - how would you change it?
>
> The digests help a lot if volume is a problem. But you're right about one
> thing, I do like the threading that you can get on newsgroups.
> How would I
> change it? I think, if it had to be a newsgroup, I'd go for one of the
> private servers like sff.net (I would suspect there are others). That way
> the moderator maintains a modicum of control, the users are protected from
> mail bombs and spam, and the group maintains its close, helpful, and often
> comforting atmosphere.
>
> When this list was set up, it was done so that people would have some
> degree of confidence that they were among helpful people, among
> friends who
> wouldn't be overly critical of what they were experiencing. There was (is
> there still?) and option to post anonymously, and for good reason--people
> are still being diagnosed with mental illness when, in fact, it's
> kundalini. Would that be possible on usenet? My understanding is no...
>
> What would I like to find in my bundle of letters? Pretending I have this
> nifty magic wand, I'd wave it, and find:
>
> * Intros from newbies
>
> * Questions about experiences, where they might lead, what they
> might mean
>
> * Answers from people who have "been there"
>
> * Discussions on these questions and answers
>
> * Questions/answers on "how to" (fill in the blanks)
>
> * Personal experiences from people who have "been there"
>
> * Discussions about new books on the subject
>
> * An occasional rehash of k-stimulants: music, mantra, etc.
>
> * Information about related public events (conferences, etc.)
>
> * Requests for, and discussions about, k-related healing
>
> * The real subject of the post in the subject line
>
> Whisking the magic wand again, what would I not want to see?
>
> * Voluminous messages because of lack of snipping
>
> * Large numbers of one-liners
>
> * Spam (hardly ever any here anyway)
>
> * Note after note saying the same thing (always)
>
> * Nitpicking, whether it's semantics of some other small point
>
> * Notes saying, essentially, "My path (or guru, etc.) is better
> than yours"
>
> * Notes that have virtually no bearing on the topic in the subject line
>
> But that's just me....others might actually enjoy the things I don't, and
> not be particularly interested in the things that interest me.
>
>
> Jeanne
> ==-* My stars!
>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:29:07 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Mystress Angelique Serpent'" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Cc: "'kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l
Message-ID: <01BD64B6.EE4A63C0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
I was a little surprised that some people misinterpreted my post as calling
for an end to kundalini-l - that was not at all my intent and I do
appreciate the work you do.
As for a web site. I've been musing further about it. I think there are two
kinds of web sites we could envision - one which tries to be as informative
as possible for a broad audience and another which is whatever is the best
one can do toward creating an ``environment'' with current web tools.
I think the first project is better done in cooperation with something like
spirit-web
As for the second project that's something best tackled by ourselves. Since
some people are concerned about privacy then the site could be password
protected. This would not be too tough. I'd be happy to help in either
project. Maybe it would be fun for the group to starting visualizing what
we would like this to be like.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:45:18 -0700
From: "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospamearthlink.net>
To: Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: thegardenATnospamworld.std.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, lobATnospamlineone.net
Subject: Re: Most Excellent Friday/Indeed
Message-ID: <352EE74E.1FBEATnospamearthlink.net>
If ye shall look upon this and know that it is Truth, and that nothing
else is real, then you shall reclaim Life Everlasting...
> With utmost respect for the points you are making with your post here,
> may I share some thoughts on Jesus?? When I thought I had outgrown my
> childhood religion and took up the usual professed atheism prevelant in
> the college years, I still could not forget that Jesus was a real person
> who did actually live and teach and die...so, putting aside any and all
> other "beliefs" about divinity or theology- what is left?? Jesus "knew"
> he was going to be killed, yet did not resist. He rebuked a disciple who
> harmed a soldier in an attempt to defend Jesus. When falsely accused, he
> did not defend himself. While being killed, he asked forgiveness for his
> killers, because "they know not what they do." Whether anyone considers
> Jesus to be God or man is simply irrelevant to this basic truth he
> spoke. Because he was saying that there simply is NO difference ...
> because when you harm another, you harm yourself and everyone else and
> also God...because we are all divine and one... So?? Do we kill God???
> Who has not??? Everytime we fail to see divinity in ourselves and
> others, we kill God. At least this was Jesus opinion.. Good Friday is
> today and today is every day.
> The good news is that God understands us...Jesus willingly allows and
> offers his death to us...just hoping this glimpse of forgiving divinity
> may open our eyes...to see we are not separate.
Mark Anthony Collins
"The MAC Man"
themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:53:27 -0700
From: "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Kundalini Web Site
Message-ID: <352EE937.154ATnospamearthlink.net>
> As for a web site. I've been musing further about it. I think there are two
> kinds of web sites we could envision - one which tries to be as informative
> as possible for a broad audience
I would think the content for this would best be left to authorities on
Kundalini. If there are any or many on the list, I would be willing to
help. But somehow I feel that the other suggestion may be more valuable.
another which is whatever is the best
> one can do toward creating an ``environment'' with current web tools.
What do you mean by environment? And why do we need privacy?
Maybe it would be fun for the group to starting visualizing what we
would like this to be like.
I would love to help out, do site design, etc. My previous works
include:
http://www.websyte.com/unity/fayark/you/ (Ex member, ex Junior Sponsor)
http://home.earthlink.net/~themacman/
http://home.earthlink.net/~themacman/macads.htm
http://home.earthlink.net/~themacman/rb6/
http://home.earthlink.net/~themacman/resume/
http://members.aol.com/nrpeaceint/ (partner, co-developer, webmaster)
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