1998/04/10 13:58
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #285
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 285
Today's Topics:
Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l ( [ Natalie Pastor <npastorATnospammail.sdsu.e ]
Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l ( [ "Sandra K. Sartor" <sandysATnospamepix.net ]
Most Excellent Friday [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Enlightenment: What Is It? [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
What enlightenment isn't... [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Enlightenment - a different perspect [ John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca> ]
Re: HTML posts and the K-list websit [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: fav bks [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment - a different pers [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: HTML posts and the K-list websit [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Casting Call! [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Enlightenment: What Is It? [ croatonATnospambanet.net (Jack ) ]
Re: Enlightenment - a different pers [ LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com> ]
Freda's Comments on HTML posts and t [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Sufi [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Enlightenment: What Is It? [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Sufi [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Enlightenment - a different pers [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:53:16 -0700
From: Natalie Pastor <npastorATnospammail.sdsu.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the
K-list website.)
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from a lurker's point of view - i love the list. i've been helped and
learned much. someday i plan on being more active. i have many questions
i'd like to toss out for discussion, but don't have the time to spend on it
right now. I agree with Jeanne, let's keep it going -
Natalie
>At 05:38 PM 4/9/98 -0700, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
>>>From the top:
>> there are technologies:
>>a)Listservers and their relatives (e.g. kundalini-l)
>>b)Web/websites (e.g. http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kund/kundgate.html)
>>c)Usenet newsgroups (e.g. alt.yoga)
____________
>I hope the current list keeps going. On the other hand, Kurt makes a very
>good point about the off-topic stuff. Even so, you'll get that on a
>newsgroup, too. That's just people being people--sometimes we meander a bit.
>
>
> Jeanne
> ==-* My stars!
Natalie Pastor
npastorATnospammail.sdsu.edu
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:42:01 -0400
From: "Sandra K. Sartor" <sandysATnospamepix.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the K-list website.)
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Hello there, List
>Here I disagree, strongly. I, for one, would not sub to another alt.*.*
>newsgroup ever again. For one thing, they're impossible to moderate. If
>people think they're afraid to speak up now, just wait until the usenet
>barracudas chew, rip, and tear them apart. For another thing, any time you
>post on the usenet, your email address is spam-bait. You'll probably have
>more email in your email box than you would normally get from a day's worth
>of k-list chit-chat.
New Member, Name is Sandy. Sorry. I really have to agree with
these statements! Having been there once and literally going off line and
getting a new service to escape the avalanche, I really do not care to do
that again. I run a list myself and whereas I can empathize drastically
with the current list owner, I have next to no extra time to help out.
Sandy
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:44:47 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Garden (the)" <thegardenATnospamworld.std.com>,
"Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Most Excellent Friday
Message-Id: <199804101556.QAA24133ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
I hear that God died today - and they call it Good Friday?
Most Excellent Friday would be more up to date.
If you are a Christian I probably shouldn't tell you the ending (but he *doesn't really* die - hope this doesn't spoil it for you).
On the whole I am very keen on God dying 'cause we have to an' it's all His fault - you can't blame me for what Adam did. Mainly 'coz Adam is a metaphor (what ever that is).
So what with Guru training, Alien abduction (I am designing a wheat trap) I shall now add God Killing to my hobbies.
How to kill God? If he is burning bush - use a bucket of water (this also worked in the Wizard of Oz). If he is an Epiphany (as happened to Daniel) you could try special wrestling techniques or have a really good tag partner.
Now of course the easiest God of all to kill is the one you respect. The one you keep in your head. That of course is just imagination and was never real anyway, anyhow.
So instead of wasting your efforts on God. Do something Nice for someone this Easter. Dead or Alive God would be most pleased . . .
Lobster
Egging Easter On
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:09:32 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Enlightenment: What Is It?
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Hi,
And how about yet another survey? I suspect there are as many different
answers to this one as there are list members. And I really would like to
know.
What does enlightenment mean to you?
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:57:44 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: What enlightenment isn't...
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Hi,
I suspect that there are as many notions of enlightenment as there are
people in the world. So maybe asking what enlightenment is, is futile.
Maybe it would be more "enlightening" to decide what
enlightenment isn't.
Of course, deciding what it isn't is rife with hazard too. :-)
So, FWIW, here is Sharon's purely subjective list warts and all:
In Sharon's mind, enlightenment isn't...
moments of bliss
extended periods of bliss
feeling connected to God, the universe, or others
feeling that there is only one...and no other....
kundalini awakening
experiencing the void
experiencing the silence
experiencing love
feeling that one is filled with love
eruptions of light within the body
perception of light within the head
expansion into the moment
ESP
empathic experiences
ability to perceive or manipulate energy
experiencing unconditional love
giving unconditional love
having someone else tell you that you are enlightened
The reason Sharon holds this opinion is that she has experienced all of the
above...except the last...and she is not enlightened.
She is not even close. :-)
Love,
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery and screensaver was posted to this site, 4/3/98:
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
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ENC Digital Dozen; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site;
NetTech NeatTech: Web Best ; Eye Candy Award; Studyweb Featured Site;
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Best of the Planet, People's Choice Award, 1998; WS Award; Treasured Site
Award
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:54:35 -0600
From: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Enlightenment - a different perspective !
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Hi
I see many requests on this list on "How can I get enlightenment ?".
There is one way, that most on the list seem to be overlooking; people are
asking for themselves - perhaps selfishly.
Why should a person be enlightened - if the purpose is only to increase
their own knowledge / awareness, builds up only their ego ?
Suppose that it 'costs' those above something to make someone enlightened.
Surely it is a waste of 'money' just to give a person an even larger ego,
with no other return on investment !
Perhaps it would be a better use of resources to give enlightenment as a
reward - to those who deserve it.
Instead of asking "give ME, give ME" it may be better to ask "Why am I here
? What mission have I been given to help others ? How can I best acheive my
mission ?"
Once you have started to accomplish your mission, and have worked towards
putting ALL your effort into the mission, then you may become enlightened.
Perhaps the time has passed for gurus who sit hidden in caves or on top of
unreachable mountains. It may be that gurus should be active in
accomplishing missions.
Personnally I have been told that I will be given ALL the powers that I NEED
to accomplish my missions; and to get on with these, not waste effort on
other matters, whether they be of this or other worlds.
Hope this helps.
John
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:00:42 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HTML posts and the K-list website.
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Dear Fellow Klisters,
I am dreadfully sorry this is sooooo long, but ya should have seen it
before it was edited!
in short form:
I like the klist as it is. But I'd like to see a central website,
(and I'm willing to help, I don't have alot of flashy intellegent things
to add but I have lots of free time)
in longer form:
I've been here a year and my address hasn't been given/sold.
The spam I've seen came thru the list - from the lists' own subscribers,
and promptly! they were scolded.
Although the email side of the list works for me,I am confused about its
website? Is there a "site" or is there info spread about on different
sites by its members?
I know Kurt, ori, Frans and ? someone else, have links and some gathered
information,
but is it a priority for anyone in particular?
For something as rapid- fire as K can be I'd have thought there would be
a whole lot more in the way of tidbits of wisdom from THIS group
available, there is alot of good stuff that is passed along on the list,
but the only way to know it is to hang out on the email. if ya snooze-ya
loose!
We have such a diversity of people, and symptoms, and perspectives but
so few "helpful" articles.
I have been to some of the other sites which deal with K but most end up
being a commercial endeaver for some-body or some organization....
I like the Kundalini-l because, for the most part, we are a community of
people sharing, I don't have to wonder if I'm being sold-the-goods. When
I come to the Klist it is safe..........and real...even if it does get
off topic,
a central website, updated as necessary would be wonderful.
It would also give those poor newbies a place to "get sent" when they
ask the inevitable question:
"could somebody tell me what K is? and how do I know if I got it!" we
have a few articles gathered but it is narrow...
400 of us! wow, whats that, uh, 400 versions of K.?
and those 400 are evolving and changing.....and the K-l list site would
BE different than the others, it has all of US, the others don't. We are
unique, (as are they?-until they start ta sell ya their stuff! then they
are all the same........................:0 .....)
--of course making this reading material available- off the email-
mainline, will just leave more time for this idle chatter, which, if I
got the message correct (after a year here) IS okay, after all
"everything Is, there Is no difference, there is no reality anyway" and
somehow the chit-chat Becomes ON topic as it is people living with K
talking about daily stuff that is after all inseperable - isn't it?
(don't take my word for it however, what do I know? "they" tell me I
have MPD's - it seperates okay for me... :)
so, I wonder.....
what IS off-topic,
Is there life without K? Is there K without life, and is any of it ON
topic? We can't agree what IT is, who among us is gonna monitor what is
relivent for someone else?
For instance: there is lots of talk here about meditation, but all of us
don't don't meditate, (I don't, its not relevent to me, at this moment
anyway, it may be this afternoon however, the more I learn about it the
more relevent it becomes,) I like the way the list pretty much cares
for its own, like a big family, if peer presure don't solve a problem
Mystress will. a lot of tollerence is given... but this is K !!!!!!
ex-communication is such an ugly thing,
and I like that it doesn't happen often here....there doesn't seem to be
a need for it (my opionion)
I know I'm spoiled, I don't pay extra for email, no matter how much
comes in, and I have 10m thingies of ftp at my disposal, (what could I
ever do with that much?) for a mere $28 per month I have unlimited time
on the internet - its typical here - so I WANT to surf on over to a
really neat website! and check out what all you wonderful people have to
share, see whats new, I want a handy little place, OF our community,
that ain't gonna sell me on some "program" real people, living real
lives, who are "hopefully" too buzy to with the excitement of their own
enlightenment to bother trying to sell me... *their*
spiritualiy.....just give me the details and I'll work out my own
"program", thank you. And here at the Klist there are a lot of
perspectives-which I'd like to see a little more about! someone is
always asking for more info about something, lets get it in a convient
place. ooooohhhhh thats a task. but it would be such a help....
I like my k-list. I like the people and the management!
the volume and the off- topic is no biggie (to me), but I would really
be excited to have a nifty website to go with it, for ourselves and for
others, who are probably looking for us right now.
Spirit Willing....
freda
I, I, I, this post is full of I's.
thats my ego...its okay, God knows I have it - just another gift, that
requires much disipline! and pampering.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:30:00 EDT
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: fav bks
Message-ID: <4bc2c7fb.352e652aATnospamaol.com>
Dear Liz,
Here are a few of my favorites.
What is Enlightenment, ed. John White (Wonderful compilation)
Kundalini, Evolution & Enlightenment, ed. John White (Another great comp.)
Energies of Transformation, Bonnie Greenwell (FULL of info. about K)
Living with Kundalini, Gopi Krishna (Autobiography)
Krishnamurti's Notebook, J. Krishnamurti (Describes his inner experiences)
The Kundalini Experience, Lee Sannella (Some case histories,)
Ecstasy in Secular and Religious Experiences, Marghanita Laski (Varied)
Talks with Sri Ramana Maharshi, Sri Ramanasraman (difficult and somewhat
repetitive, but absolutely wonderful)
Love Hillary
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 14:01:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment - a different perspective !
Message-Id: <199804101901.OAA15744ATnospamdfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote:
>
>Instead of asking "give ME, give ME" it may be better to ask "Why am I
here
>? What mission have I been given to help others ? How can I best
acheive my
>mission ?"
>
>Once you have started to accomplish your mission, and have worked
towards
>putting ALL your effort into the mission, then you may become
enlightened.
>
Thinking of enlightenment as something to be deserved bothers me. I
feel it to be more something we ARE underneath all the gritty stuff. I
know too many people who do plenty to help others, but are isolated and
despairing in their souls. On the other hand, I've watched so many
others grow, and as they begin to love themselves, they spontaneously
become more atruistic and kind. I believe God built this in, sensibly
enough. Someone once observed that the Ten Commandments are not a
to-do list, but rather a description of what a God-realized person (or
even somebody on the way to being one) does quite naturally. Holly
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:13:44 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: HTML posts and the K-list website.
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fredaATnospamblarg.net writes:
<< I, I, I, this post is full of I's.
thats my ego...its okay, God knows I have it - just another gift, that
requires much disipline! and pampering. >>
Oh Pooey Freda - it requires no discipline! LOL (great advice from one with
absolutely no discipline at'all)... I think not using the word "I" was
someone's idea of what enlightenment is - just a dadgum belief.
Apparently God wasn't enlightened when he said "I Am".
I agree with everything else you said tho!
xxxtg
* I've always disliked Good Friday... it reminded me that all the other
Friday's of the year must be Evil *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:19:22 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Casting Call!
Message-ID: <9d323f88.352e70bbATnospamaol.com>
Jerry wrote:
<< Already EGO problems! Next thing you know tg will want the Tinman to
tidy up after Toto...
>>
That ol' poop Tinman already does this anyway... He has no heart (or so he
keeps telling everyone) but seems to enjoy cleaning up our poop piles.
xxxtg
* If you can't annoy somebody, there is little point in writing *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:20:42 GMT
From: croatonATnospambanet.net (Jack )
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment: What Is It?
Message-ID: <3530707c.2368373ATnospamsmtp.banet.net>
What does enlightenment mean to you?
It means never having to say, "How can I become enlightened?"
Jack
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:26:46 EDT
From: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment - a different perspective !
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In a message dated 98-04-10 15:03:10 EDT, you write:
<< >
>Instead of asking "give ME, give ME" it may be better to ask "Why am I
here
Holly said:
Thinking of enlightenment as something to be deserved bothers me. I
feel it to be more something we ARE underneath all the gritty stuff.
On the other hand, I've watched so many others grow, and as they begin to
love themselves,
Leona:
Love is the key, either for ourselves or for others. Loving another without
loving yourself isn't true. Loving yourself isn't selfish either. Love
yourself and you can love all others. Enlightment cannot be earned. Loving
yourself is much harder than attempting to love others. Love yourself enough
to forgive yourself of all errors and misgivings, love yourself enough to
allow all good to come to you. (my opinion).
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:45:18 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: fredaATnospamblarg.net, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Freda's Comments on HTML posts and the K-list website.
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In a message dated 4/10/1998 10:59:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
fredaATnospamblarg.net writes:
<< I like my k-list. I like the people and the management!
the volume and the off- topic is no biggie (to me), but I would really
be excited to have a nifty website to go with it, for ourselves and for
others, who are probably looking for us right now.
Spirit Willing....
freda >>
Harsha: Hi Freda. I read your post with care. I no longer feel amazed at your
uncommon wisdom and extra-ordinary common sense. I have come to expect it. I
know the high quality of your Web work first hand. Your offer to help in any
way you can with a Website is generous and is characteristic of you. Perhaps
Angelique will take you up on your offer. Don't worry what anyone says. You
are blessed because you have the capacity to give.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:51:41 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>, <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Sufi
Message-Id: <199804101959.UAA10682ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> > However, I don't know all there is to know about Osho. My one question though
> > is Did he leave behind any fully enlightened students? That to me seems the
> > best way to judge a spiritual teacher.
That is indeed a good test - or is it?. What is the legacy? Well he is in the process of deification. His Ashram is now considered a 'Buddha Field'. Soon miracles that never happened will be attributed to him. The people that have been emotionally crippled and institutionalised by the unbalanced practices he instigated - that will all be forgotten. Osho - the Divine - it begins . . .
I know some people have gained nourishment from the words and stories he provided. That is OK. However the genuine food is also available and if you wish for a balanced diet, you must learn what is nutrition and what flavouring.
> Hi Dan,
>
> I feel I can evaluate myself, but not a spiritual teacher. I can
> evaluate how I feel with a teacher, but not the teacher.
And that Dear Friend is precisely the problem. Osho feels OK. His teachings seem fine. It is all designed to be superficially wholesome - he fulfills peoples fantasy of how a Guru talks and behaves. So the question you might consider is can I trust my feelings? Do my senses always relay the truth of the matter? How do I develop the capacity to recognise the Real?
> So if I feel as though I am going deeper into understanding in the
> company of anyone or anything at all, that person or thing might become
> my teacher for a while.
If you have the capacity to glean the wheat from the chaff - all well and good. Quite often people are attracted by the wheat and end up with straw. You are right - anything and anyone can be learnt from - when we develop the capacity to discern the genuine teaching.
> But Mark Collins tells about a Sufi school in which the student may be
> given the opportunity to thrust a sword into his abdomen.
This is not a Sufi school. This is the equivalent of hook hanging or fire walking. Yoga has nothing to do with some of the silly practices of professional 'Holy Men' in India. If you want a circus, fine.
These Yezidi practices are not condoned by Sufis. It may also interest you to know that Rumi specifically instigated his whirling dance for a time and a certain people. He made it quite clear that whirling was not suitable for everyone. Do the Mevlevi Dervishes advertise this fact? Of course not - they are too busy being dizzy - thinking they are close to the divine. Have you heard of the Sufi practice of gazing at the beardless? Try and introduce that and I wonder how seriously it would be taken - maybe in California . . .
This list is devoted to kundalini. A supposed spiritual force and energy. It has transformed the lives of people on this list. Many of them have developed a sincere interest in spiritual disciplines. Many of us have spent decades involved in these practices. Osho is a dead end.
Zen works (it has and still produces enlightened people). It is a severe and hard system. However it works.
Want something easier? Well you could always try a dead end for a while . . .
> I'm just saying, I can't judge another. I don't know who is or who is
> not enlightened. Therefore I lean toward Hillary's declaration that
> everyone is enlightened.
Most Kind Regards
The Lean Lobster
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:00:43 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: croatonATnospambanet.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment: What Is It?
Message-ID: <b059192a.352e7a6dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/10/1998 12:22:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
croatonATnospambanet.net writes:
<< What does enlightenment mean to you?
It means never having to say, "How can I become enlightened?"
Jack >>
Harsha (laughing just a little): Quite right Jack. I think you have got it!
And yet there are people, no doubt well meaning and sincere, who will ask,
"Have you had it confirmed!" :--). What can one say?? God Bless Everyone with
all that is best in life.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:14:18 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: lobATnospamlineone.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sufi
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Ed Jason wrote:
> I have met
> people who thought they were physical immortals and 'realised' and
> 'enlightened' beings. All these people claim they are interested in 'the
> Truth'. The truth is people find 'the Truth' they deserve.
Jerry writes:
Read Ed's last sentence very carefully, folks.
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 06:17:02
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: SuZZie <suevtATnospamearthlink.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l
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At 09:08 AM 10/04/98 -0400, SuZZie wrote:
>Hi everyone!
>
>I'm new to this list but have been following it closely for about two
>weeks.
Welcome.
> I am also new to kundalini awakening, and many of your posts are
>a bit "over my head". I'm sure I'll catch up soon.
Or maybe you never will.. your path may not be theirs. Don't worry if you
canot follow all the threads.. I cannot follow some of them either, and I'm
the List Mystress.. but there are always other threads.. the conversation
usually happens at different speeds.
>
>Anyway, I noticed the posts about the different types of forums and
>thought I would mention that Delphi Internet provides FREE message
>boards and chat rooms. I check them out daily and found that someone
>created a forum called "Kundalini discussions". There are no posts
>there yet, but some of you may want to check it out and see the format.
>It really is set up nicely.
>
>Here is the URL:
>http://forums.delphi.com/m/main.asp?sigdir=KUNDA
Thanks for the reminder. Someone.. (was it Frans?) set that up awhile
ago, I think last spring when the interest in chat was raised before. But,
it never really caught on.
Mebbie this time it will..
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:39:41 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
CC: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment - a different perspective !
Message-ID: <352FD50D.9EFBB086ATnospamgeocities.com>
LHodges942 wrote:
> Holly said:
> Thinking of enlightenment as something to be deserved bothers me. I
> feel it to be more something we ARE underneath all the gritty stuff.
> On the other hand, I've watched so many others grow, and as they begin to
> love themselves,
>
> Leona:
>
> Love is the key, either for ourselves or for others. Loving another without
> loving yourself isn't true. Loving yourself isn't selfish either. Love
> yourself and you can love all others. Enlightment cannot be earned. Loving
> yourself is much harder than attempting to love others. Love yourself enough
> to forgive yourself of all errors and misgivings, love yourself enough to
> allow all good to come to you. (my opinion).
Anandajyoti>You know , I agree with both the viewpoints above. IMHO , the real
catch , what I understand, that there are two aspect. Me in the physical, along
with the emotional, mental and spirtual, all combined and our relationships in
the three dimensions. All the philosophies in the world may propose differently.
But I consider this as very basic.
To know ourselves in terms of consciousness, will, desires and all of it and how
we can best relate to everything around us, be it a pet, plant, or a fellow
human, is the key , in my opinion. I leave all the spirituality aside, for I must
become a human in the full sense of it in all my relationships with myself and
others, then I dive in my spirituality for further growth of my human potential.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
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