1998/04/10 07:49
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #284
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 284
Today's Topics:
Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l ( [ Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net> ]
RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l ( [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: swamy/let there be light [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: kundalini questions [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Re: G Ochs [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Going away [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Going away [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l ( [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l [ SuZZie <suevtATnospamearthlink.net> ]
Re: Sufi [ "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Casting Call! [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Sufi [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Reading List now webbed [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l ( [ Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net> ]
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 19:50:41
From: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'Mystress Angelique Serpent'" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: b bah <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"'keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu'" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Subject: Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the
K-list website.)
Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980409195041.2e37b58cATnospamicon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 05:38 PM 4/9/98 -0700, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>>From the top:
> there are technologies:
>a)Listservers and their relatives (e.g. kundalini-l)
>b)Web/websites (e.g. http://www.execpc.com/~libra/kund/kundgate.html)
>c)Usenet newsgroups (e.g. alt.yoga)
There is a fourth, or (d) option: newsgroups on private servers, such as
sff.net (www.sff.net). No, I don't own stock in sff.net, but I've been
using them for a Reiki newsgroup. They are inexpensive, and most helpful
in keeping down the spam and other unpleasantness. Management personally
removes spam. Cost of membership is $10/month and includes your own
newsgroup (I chose ReikiHaven as my screen name, so that my newsgroup would
have that name). I think it's even cheaper if you buy a full year, think
it was something like $90 for the whole year.
>day. Usenet newsgroups are a much better medium for this kind of thing.
>They are:
>Threaded - you can easily read the threads you want and
>Archived and searchable with intelligent archive tools - www.dejanews
>archives usenet and allows for easy searching.
>
>So I would suggest: 1) creating an alt.meditation.kundalini usenet
>newsgroup and
>2) focusing kundalini-l on a supportive exchange of experiences and
>informational exchange on teachers and practices. I think it would be great
>to keep the ``chat'' traffic down a bit as well.
Here I disagree, strongly. I, for one, would not sub to another alt.*.*
newsgroup ever again. For one thing, they're impossible to moderate. If
people think they're afraid to speak up now, just wait until the usenet
barracudas chew, rip, and tear them apart. For another thing, any time you
post on the usenet, your email address is spam-bait. You'll probably have
more email in your email box than you would normally get from a day's worth
of k-list chit-chat.
I hope the current list keeps going. On the other hand, Kurt makes a very
good point about the off-topic stuff. Even so, you'll get that on a
newsgroup, too. That's just people being people--sometimes we meander a bit.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 19:55:18 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Jeanne Garner'" <jeannegATnospamicon.net>,
"'Mystress Angelique Serpent'"
<serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: b bah <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the K-list website.)
Message-ID: <01BD63F1.6C849BA0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Just a quick response to clarify a couple things:
KK:
>day. Usenet newsgroups are a much better medium for this kind of thing.
>They are:
>Threaded - you can easily read the threads you want and
>Archived and searchable with intelligent archive tools - www.dejanews
>archives usenet and allows for easy searching.
>
>So I would suggest: 1) creating an alt.meditation.kundalini usenet
>newsgroup and
>2) focusing kundalini-l on a supportive exchange of experiences and
>informational exchange on teachers and practices. I think it would be
great
>to keep the ``chat'' traffic down a bit as well.
Jeanne:
Here I disagree, strongly. I, for one, would not sub to another alt.*.*
newsgroup ever again. For one thing, they're impossible to moderate. If
people think they're afraid to speak up now, just wait until the usenet
barracudas chew, rip, and tear them apart.
KK:
I guess we've had different experiences. I've read
alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan for years now - relatively incident free.
I've also participated in alt.meditation and alt.yoga periodically. I
encountered some drifting ``barricudas'' there - but with a good news
reader it's very easy to navigate around anything and anyone you want to
avoid.
Jeanne:
For another thing, any time you
post on the usenet, your email address is spam-bait. You'll probably have
more email in your email box than you would normally get from a day's worth
of k-list chit-chat.
KK:
There has been a lot of technological progress on eliminating SPAM. I read
my news on www.dejanews.com and experience NO SPAM. Try and see if you have
a better experience.
Jeanne:
I hope the current list keeps going. On the other hand, Kurt makes a very
good point about the off-topic stuff. Even so, you'll get that on a
newsgroup, too. That's just people being people--sometimes we meander a
bit.
KK:
I hope I didn't say ANYTHING that gave the impression that I didn't want
this list to keep going. It's got a special ``blessing''.
Let me put it this way. Visualize this newsgroup as a daily mail delivery
of a bundle of letters. What would you like to find there? Is this what you
are currently receiving? If not - how would you change it?
Thanks for your thoughts
KUrt
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:46:56 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: swamy/let there be light
Message-ID: <511adf59.352d8821ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/9/1998 2:03:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr writes:
<< >Harsha: Quite right. That is the Self-Realization we speak of. It is not
an
>escape. What would it be an escape from? All planes of Consciousness exist
within
>the Self. No Bondage. No Liberation. No Coming. No Going. Pure, Complete,
and
>Eternal Being.
Danijel: Well, that is one thing, being able to live that on the outside as
well as
on the inside is another. :) (of course, then there is no inside nor
outside;)
Complete avatars are example of that state.
Harsha: Yes. There is no inside or outside. Your interpretation is
legitimate. Let me offer another view based on my Experience. When we
describe Nirvikalpa Samadhi or the Self, we use the word Poornum or Whole. In
English I sometimes use the word Complete. Although the Self, that is the
nature of pure awareness cannot be described, still Sages indicate it through
the use of certain words. "Complete" implies Abundance or lacking absolutely
nothing. Complete also implies Total Independence as the Self Recognizes It
Self as Self-Existent and that is the Natural State. The desire to manifest
the Self through other bodies (using your terminology) cannot exist in the
Full and Complete State of Self-Recognition. All bodies and all planes of
consciousness are seen to exist within the Self only. The Self being Whole
and Complete Includes Everything.
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 20:01:02 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Joseph Miller'" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"margolisATnospamtransbay.net" <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Subject: RE: kundalini questions
Message-ID: <01BD63F2.3967C7A0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Dan wrote:
I would like to propose another survey. For everyone on the list who's
kundalini is awakened:What practice or experience caused your kundalini
to
awaken?
------
Dan,
Mine was awake at birth.
If you need a cause it would be my work in a past life and/or my mother
having an awakened K (according to the Vedic teachings a woman who
becomes pregnant after she has an awakening will have a child whose K is
awake). Base on what I know and logic, I'd say it was both.
I was just in a research focus group with 5 other people who, like me,
were born with K awake. This is not to say it took anything like the
same path in any two of us.
I know several friends who did not have an awakening at birth the all
used Vedic based techniques to awaken it that were sometimes the same as
what I was using to control and direct it and sometimes slightly
different but all along the same lines.
Namaste,
Joe
Kurt asks:
I wonder if you could expand on your comment ``awake at birth''. Can you tell us more about what you were (and are) experiencing?
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:59:10 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "LHodges942" <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: G Ochs
Message-Id: <199804100548.GAA05173ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> For heaven's sake, you gotta be kidding! The White Brotherhood has
nothing to
> do with the KKK. The White Brotherhood is a spiritual brotherhood, in
which
> all the Ascended Masters belong. Not that I'm an ascended master, but
it's
> the highest spiritual realm there is.
Dearest Lucia,
Is that the 'Great White Brotherhood' or the 'Lesser White Brotherhood'? I
belong to the Black Brotherhood. We are a bunch of spiritual sisters who
are personally responsible for the Ascended Masters recent descent, which
you may be aware of. Not that I'm decended from any spiritual realms, I am
just here on a visit.
> The Order of Melchizedek is also a spiritual order, the one and only
order
> spoken about in Genesis, from which all Priests and Ministers receive
their
> ordinations.
Oh - That Order of Melchizedek - I thought you were referring to a side
order. I think I used to belong to that aswell. Of course I am referring to
a past life I hope to have in the future.
Do you speak Atlantean?
Most Kind Regards
Lobster
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:19:44 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Going away
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980410101944.00a08ae0ATnospampop.tel.hr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi folks! :)
Rember me talking about going to some kind of a retreat with my students,
an island or something? Well, it is happening - I am leaving tomorrow, 4am.
We are going to stay there for a week, intense energy work, and we'll be
back 18.4. :) I will unsubscribe from the k-l today - I am getting both the
list and the digests, that means I'll be able to catch up with you reading
the digests, when I return. :)
If you want to know where I'm going, I made a map with closeups on the web,
it is on my mirror site, the URL is
http://www.fortunecity.com/Roswell/Jodrell/30/Croatia.htm
We are going to the Hvar island - that place called "Stari Grad" on the
island, that's where we'll be. :)
Take care, all of you! :)))
-----
E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:48:06 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Going away
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980410114806.00a6de20ATnospampop.tel.hr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>If you want to know where I'm going, I made a map with closeups on the web,
>it is on my mirror site, the URL is
>http://www.fortunecity.com/Roswell/Jodrell/30/Croatia.htm
Sorry, the URL didn't work, it is this one (just the caps...):
http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/jodrell/30/croatia.htm
-----
E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:37:30 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"'Jeanne Garner'" <jeannegATnospamicon.net>,
"'Mystress Angelique Serpent'" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the K-list website.)
Message-ID: <000201bd647d$6e42c0c0$55f14dc3ATnospamjb>
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kurt Keutzer [mailto:keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu]
> Sent: Friday, April 10, 1998 3:55 AM
> To: 'Jeanne Garner'; 'Mystress Angelique Serpent'; Jan Barendrecht
> Cc: b bah; kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
> Subject: RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the
> K-list website.)
>
>
With NG's, problems can only occur with very controversial subjects. The
ones I did encounter was in rec.alt.poems (anti-abortion poem), in
alt.religion.hindu some always 'comment' linga/yoni worship etc. and in
alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian clashes between aras (animal rights activists)
and meat advocates / vivisection advocates are always part of
discussion/debate (for some, it's about the future of their job).
Alt.consciousness.mysticism, alt. meditation and alt.yoga are relatively
free from 'barracudas' but if somebody declares himself to be a Satguru, the
responses are predictable... In alt.food.vegan, rec.music.compose,
rec.food.veg, sci.bio.food-science, science.med.nutrition I never came
across 'barracudas'. With spam, Kurt is right also. Since abt start of this
year it vanished from my computer (not yet from NG's) but with NG's there is
the choice of reading. Receiving 50...80 E-mails a day is too much if
occasionally one has to work hard. E-mail gets mixed and it is easy to
overlook something that shouldn't be. Barracudas can always enter, because
it is very easy to operate under different names and with different E-mail
addresses. In Spain there are at least two isp's, offering Internet
connection free of charge - flat tariff - no verification for personal
identity made and dial up is possible world-wide. A push medium that is
cumulative like E-mail has to be unsubscribed each time when having a
vacation or business trip also. Maybe it is a matter of preference that
requires casting a vote.
Jan
> Just a quick response to clarify a couple things:
>
> KK:
> >day. Usenet newsgroups are a much better medium for this kind of thing.
> >They are:
> >Threaded - you can easily read the threads you want and
> >Archived and searchable with intelligent archive tools - www.dejanews
> >archives usenet and allows for easy searching.
> >
> >So I would suggest: 1) creating an alt.meditation.kundalini usenet
> >newsgroup and
> >2) focusing kundalini-l on a supportive exchange of experiences and
> >informational exchange on teachers and practices. I think it would be
> great
> >to keep the ``chat'' traffic down a bit as well.
> Jeanne:
> Here I disagree, strongly. I, for one, would not sub to another alt.*.*
> newsgroup ever again. For one thing, they're impossible to moderate. If
> people think they're afraid to speak up now, just wait until the usenet
> barracudas chew, rip, and tear them apart.
>
> KK:
> I guess we've had different experiences. I've read
> alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan for years now - relatively incident free.
> I've also participated in alt.meditation and alt.yoga periodically. I
> encountered some drifting ``barricudas'' there - but with a good news
> reader it's very easy to navigate around anything and anyone you want to
> avoid.
>
>
> Jeanne:
> For another thing, any time you
> post on the usenet, your email address is spam-bait. You'll probably have
> more email in your email box than you would normally get from a
> day's worth
> of k-list chit-chat.
>
> KK:
> There has been a lot of technological progress on eliminating
> SPAM. I read
> my news on www.dejanews.com and experience NO SPAM. Try and see
> if you have
> a better experience.
>
> Jeanne:
> I hope the current list keeps going. On the other hand, Kurt makes a very
> good point about the off-topic stuff. Even so, you'll get that on a
> newsgroup, too. That's just people being people--sometimes we meander a
> bit.
>
> KK:
> I hope I didn't say ANYTHING that gave the impression that I didn't want
> this list to keep going. It's got a special ``blessing''.
>
> Let me put it this way. Visualize this newsgroup as a daily mail delivery
> of a bundle of letters. What would you like to find there? Is
> this what you
> are currently receiving? If not - how would you change it?
> Thanks for your thoughts
> KUrt
>
>
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:08:02 -0400
From: SuZZie <suevtATnospamearthlink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l
Message-ID: <352E19B2.545CATnospamearthlink.net>
Hi everyone!
I'm new to this list but have been following it closely for about two
weeks. I am also new to kundalini awakening, and many of your posts are
a bit "over my head". I'm sure I'll catch up soon.
Anyway, I noticed the posts about the different types of forums and
thought I would mention that Delphi Internet provides FREE message
boards and chat rooms. I check them out daily and found that someone
created a forum called "Kundalini discussions". There are no posts
there yet, but some of you may want to check it out and see the format.
It really is set up nicely.
Here is the URL:
http://forums.delphi.com/m/main.asp?sigdir=KUNDA
You have to go through a quick registration process first where you pick
a screen name, etc. But that only takes a minute.
Peace,
~~SuZZie~~
Awaken (Body~Mind~Spirit) Message Board
http://forums.customforum.com/m/main.asp?sigdir=awaken
TIBET central Web Site
http://home.earthlink.net/~suevt/tibet.htm
TIBET central Message Board
http://forums.customforum.com/m/main.asp?sigdir=tibetnet
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 11:12:59 -0700
From: "Ed Jason" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Sufi
Message-Id: <199804101305.OAA21976ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
> > Lobster:
>
> > Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh (Osho) is not recognised as an authority on
Sufism
> > either by genuine Sufis or other mature mystics. He is of course quite
> > titillating to those who still seek stimulation rather than genuine
> > understanding. I rate him as a clown (some of you like clowns - hence
> > Lobster :-)
> Jerry:
> Ed, I understand what you are saying, but Rajneesh has served certain
> people.
>
> What is wrong with speaking simply and telling some jokes? Titillation
> and stimulation of whatever kind you want, are fine vehicles for
> carrying one to Genuine Understanding. Or would you say they are not?
>
> If you don't want anything but genuine understanding, Rajneesh is fine.
>
> As well, I'll bet you five dollars that I could find some "authorities,
> mature mystics and genuine Sufis" that have praised Rajneesh. It's a
> pretty big world out there.
There is a Sufi story that illustrates this point, maybe you have heard it:
A Sufi was being continually derided and criticised by a narrow minded
Moslem imam. However the Imam found that the Sufi was sending his disciples
to the Imam in ever increasing numbers. When the Imam retired he went to
the Sufi and asked him when the Sufi had realised the Imams importance and
decided to send his own disciples.
The Sufi was insistent that the Imam should be content that his lectures
and sermons had been well attended throughout his career. Again the Imam
insisted on knowing what parts of his lectures were considered important by
the Sufi. Again the Sufi quietly declined, saying that everyone had been
well served by the arrangement. The Imam insisted.
Finally the Sufi explained that in order to stop the criticism which was
interfering with peoples concentration on genuine matters, he had sent what
the Imam required which was attention (hence the disciples at the
lectures). The Sufi further explained that the disciples had lost nothing
from this interaction, in fact they had gained much by being able to
witness first hand 'how not to think'.
So I would say that Rajneesh has served his purpose. He is already in the
process of deification (something he shares with Elvis Presley). People
like Rajneesh occupy trivial people with superficial teachings. This is all
the majority want. Now we all have this capacity and inclination towards
being captivated by the circus. Some are happy to be a part of it. They
think there is nothing more. We can do nothing but wish them happiness.
However the original question was about Sufism. I have met people who
think sufism is some kind of ecstatic dancing. Or a cult of peace and love.
Or some sort of metaphysical poetry. Or Islamic fundamentalism. Or
thrusting daggers
into the body or hammering nails in the head (a Yezidi practice). I have
met
people who thought they were physical immortals and 'realised' and
'enlightened' beings. All these people claim they are interested in 'the
Truth'. The truth is people find 'the Truth' they deserve.
So for the sake of $5 and to dissociate myself from 'sufism' I will say,
'all praise to Osho, charming provider of peoples needs'.
Do not think Lobster
Ed
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 01:03:27 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Casting Call!
Message-ID: <352DD24F.2077ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Druout wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-04-08 08:18:51 EDT, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
>
> << No way man, I got dibbs on the west Witch.. >>
>
> Oh, well I was going to fight for the role, but it's true, Vancouver is
> further west then Berkeley. Weep.
>
> Love, Hillary
Already EGO problems! Next thing you know tg will want the Tinman to
tidy up after Toto...
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:08:05 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: margolisATnospamtransbay.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Sufi
Message-ID: <352E6005.2D23ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
> Dan Margolis wrote:
>
> I'm not sure of your definition of Genuine Understanding, but from my readings
> on and encounters with followers of Rajneesh or Osho I found little evidence of
> anything other than a very stimulating spiritual circus going on.
>
> The exercises he prescribed were often very geared to bringing out physical or
> emotional reactions as opposed to spiritual growth. Sleep disruption...Hours
> staring at a mirror without blinking...Laughing or crying for hours. All these
> exercises have side-effects which sometimes are real spiritual experiences, but
> more often are not genuine.
>
> However, I don't know all there is to know about Osho. My one question though
> is Did he leave behind any fully enlightened students? That to me seems the
> best way to judge a spiritual teacher.
Hi Dan,
I feel I can evaluate myself, but not a spiritual teacher. I can
evaluate how I feel with a teacher, but not the teacher.
So if I feel as though I am going deeper into understanding in the
company of anyone or anything at all, that person or thing might become
my teacher for a while.
But, yes, you are correct, Rajneesh (Osho) has gone out on a limb with
some of his writings and actions. So have all Gurus, Masters, Teachers.
Enlightenment isn't arithmetic.
But Mark Collins tells about a Sufi school in which the student may be
given the opportunity to thrust a sword into his abdomen.
I'm just saying, I can't judge another. I don't know who is or who is
not enlightened. Therefore I lean toward Hillary's declaration that
everyone is enlightened.
Always,
Jerry
____
Nondualism
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:10:40 -0400
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Reading List now webbed
Message-Id: <l03130300b153d6d4b1d7ATnospam[198.28.38.107]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Howdy K-list!
I've been bizzybizzybizzy since onarres sent me the Reading List and i now
have it up on my site at:
http://infoest.sbc.edu/index.html#alph
Scroll down to Seat of Wisdom & you'll see it in the K-links.
IF anyone has anything else to add to it *or* if you see something that
needs to be corrected please email me off list at:
melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
I may make Seat a page to itself -- I'd like to add a lot of NW Pacific
indiginous art to the site that in my opinion are representations of
kundalini experiences.
Feedback is welcome!
--Liz
The web site you seek
cannot be located but
endless others exist
---- Joy Rothke from Haiku
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Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:34:16
From: Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'Mystress Angelique Serpent'" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: b bah <happyhunaATnospamyahoo.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: kundalini gateway, kundalini-l (was RE: HTML posts and the
K-list website.)
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At 07:55 PM 4/9/98 -0700, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>I guess we've had different experiences. I've read
>alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan for years now - relatively incident free.
>I've also participated in alt.meditation and alt.yoga periodically. I
>encountered some drifting ``barricudas'' there - but with a good news
>reader it's very easy to navigate around anything and anyone you want to
>avoid.
Maybe it depends on the newsgroup--Jan also mentioned different levels of
controversy/hostility, but I do know alt.healing.reiki (the worst one of
the usenets I'd tried) was heavy on ridicule, flames, and even personal
threats--one lady received telephone calls threatening her! (That's why I
created my own newsgroup on the private server.)
>> For another thing, any time you
>>post on the usenet, your email address is spam-bait. You'll probably have
>>more email in your email box than you would normally get from a day's worth
>>of k-list chit-chat.
>KK:
>There has been a lot of technological progress on eliminating SPAM. I read
>my news on www.dejanews.com and experience NO SPAM. Try and see if you have
>a better experience.
This is all well and good as long as you don't actually post--yes, the
usenet newsgroups did have some public spam, but the worst spam was all the
junque that landed in my email box because of these software packages that
gather names for that purpose. I'm not alone in this--I know lots of
people who won't use usenet for that reason alone.
>Let me put it this way. Visualize this newsgroup as a daily mail delivery
>of a bundle of letters. What would you like to find there? Is this what you
>are currently receiving? If not - how would you change it?
The digests help a lot if volume is a problem. But you're right about one
thing, I do like the threading that you can get on newsgroups. How would I
change it? I think, if it had to be a newsgroup, I'd go for one of the
private servers like sff.net (I would suspect there are others). That way
the moderator maintains a modicum of control, the users are protected from
mail bombs and spam, and the group maintains its close, helpful, and often
comforting atmosphere.
When this list was set up, it was done so that people would have some
degree of confidence that they were among helpful people, among friends who
wouldn't be overly critical of what they were experiencing. There was (is
there still?) and option to post anonymously, and for good reason--people
are still being diagnosed with mental illness when, in fact, it's
kundalini. Would that be possible on usenet? My understanding is no...
What would I like to find in my bundle of letters? Pretending I have this
nifty magic wand, I'd wave it, and find:
* Intros from newbies
* Questions about experiences, where they might lead, what they might mean
* Answers from people who have "been there"
* Discussions on these questions and answers
* Questions/answers on "how to" (fill in the blanks)
* Personal experiences from people who have "been there"
* Discussions about new books on the subject
* An occasional rehash of k-stimulants: music, mantra, etc.
* Information about related public events (conferences, etc.)
* Requests for, and discussions about, k-related healing
* The real subject of the post in the subject line
Whisking the magic wand again, what would I not want to see?
* Voluminous messages because of lack of snipping
* Large numbers of one-liners
* Spam (hardly ever any here anyway)
* Note after note saying the same thing (always)
* Nitpicking, whether it's semantics of some other small point
* Notes saying, essentially, "My path (or guru, etc.) is better than yours"
* Notes that have virtually no bearing on the topic in the subject line
But that's just me....others might actually enjoy the things I don't, and
not be particularly interested in the things that interest me.
Jeanne
==-* My stars!
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