1998/04/08 07:00
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #277
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 277
Today's Topics: RE: REMOVE FROM LIST!! [ "CONCETTA M. CURTIS" ]
Re: kundalini questions [ Imtgxxx ] Casting Call! [ Jerry Katz ]
Re: Gloria Lee's Incredible Question [ Jerry Katz ] Kundalini Questions [ Imtgxxx ]
Re: talking to oneself/and replying. [ David Bozzi ] Creation [ Ann Morrison Fisher ]
Re: Gloria Lee's Incredible Question [ "Ed Jewasinski" ] coming soon . . . [ "Ed Jason" ]
Date: 07 Apr 1998 20:08:13 -0400 From: "CONCETTA M. CURTIS"
To: Ed (IPM Return requested), "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" (IPM Return requested),
Diane (IPM Return requested) Subject: RE: REMOVE FROM LIST!!
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From: Ed [SMTP:lobATnospamlineone.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 1998 11:42 AM
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com; Diane Subject: Re: REMOVE FROM LIST!!
> >From: Diane
> >Subject: REMOVE FROM LIST!! > >
> >REMOVE ME FROM THE LIST!
Hi Diane, Most profound. Thank you for sharing your perspective. Your attempt to
remove your being from "the list" in order to return to the cosmic void is
a wonderful spiritual metaphor. By "the list" I assume you are not referring to a shopping list but intend to be "listless".
However this powerful Mantra when repeated is not as effective as other procedures which you might learn for future reference.
Lobster
Recently removed Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:58:07 -0700
From: Kurt Keutzer To: "'Dan Margolis'" ,
"'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'"
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Dan said:
I would like to propose another survey. For everyone on the list who's kundalini is awakened:What practice or experience caused your kundalini to
awaken?
Dan - thanks for your question. It's always fun to hear others. Hope this
response is not too long.
Like any process it's hard to find a sharp defining point but I think the clearest one was when I received shaktipat from Swami Muktananda in 1974.
Swami Muktananda was visiting Indianapolis, Indiana and the number of people who showed up for the weekend (these weren't called intensives yet),
about 20 of us, was less than the number of people who traveled in his entourage. I first went up and introduced myself. Then sitting in rows in
meditation Swami Muktananda walked by and stroked me a few times on the forehead. I immediately felt a blue light stream from my forehead down my
spine and began to breathe quickly involuntarily. Then my body began an odd sort of wiggle.
My body kept this odd wiggle throughout the weekend. My prior impression to
that point was that involuntary movements in meditation were bad and were to be corrected. So I wrote Swami Muktananda a question ``I am unable to
have a quiet meditation because I am disturbed by these movements. Is there some hatha yoga exercise I should use to correct them?'' During a Q&A
period in the weekend my question was read and Swami Muktananda looked directly at me with great intensity (hope you can relate to what that was
like). He said: ``This is the fire that will burn up your ignorance. Why would you ever want to stop this?'' He then continued to precisely describe
how the striking together of prana and apana was causing the particular wiggle kriya (movement) I was experiencing.
Over time I began to realize that a number of experiences before that time
were kundalini related but I tend to count that as the time of my awakening. These experiences continued to build over the next two years.
Then one night in 1976, my sophomore year in college, I had a very powerful surge of kundalini activity. I was awakened from my sleep by a luminous
energy that went like a lightening bolt up my spine. As it reached my skull I experienced the universe burst into a single ball of luminous
consciousness. I have since read the phrase ``brighter than a thousand suns'' and this was precisely my experience. Simultaneously my body jerked
and the force threw me about a foot in the air. As beautiful as the experience was, it left my personality completely devastated. It was as
though I was a new visitor to the internals of my own mind. One might think of returning to one's home after it was struck by a tornado. Even though
all the major pieces were still there, the house looks and feels completely different.
After that, I have spent the last 24 years returning from Ixtlan (or maybe
going to Ixtlan, it's hard to tell).
Kind Regards, Kurt
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 22:14:26 EDT From: LHodges942
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: kundalini questions
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In a message dated 98-04-07 21:48:56 EDT, you write:
Dan said: I would like to propose another survey. For everyone on the list who's
kundalini is awakened:What practice or experience caused your kundalini to awaken? >>
Mine happened just about a month ago. I was in meditation, silently looking
at the Light. Without prior intent or forethought as to even what the kundalini was, the Light started expanding me, one step at a time, until by
the time the Light reached my head and out, I felt a sudden explosion of thousands and thousands of light cells. The best and only way I knew how to
describe it was to say that it felt like a "full body orgasm". Even at the time I didn't know what it was. The next day I went to a bookstore and looked
up the word "Kundalini", bought the book, and read about what had happened to me the night before.......:)
I'm not sure, but I think life has been normal ever since. Maybe I don't
remember what life was like before ? :) But I haven't had any bad affects like some people have described. That's about the time I joined this list, to
read about other people's experiences to find out if that's what happened with me.
But, it's been kinda like, before enlightenment I scrub floors to gain
enlightenemnt. So after enlightenment, I still scrub floors......:)
(Not really, I'm actually an accountant).
Leona. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:18:02 EDT
From: Imtgxxx To: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: kundalini questions
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Dear Kurt...
Thanks for sharing your experiences here with us. Muktananda sounds amazing - How wonderful you got to see him! While reading one of his books (I think it
was called Play of Consciousness??) while my K was active, I was all of a sudden (while reading the book, waiting in a car while out of town) brought to
a state of consciousness of grace - can't really think of a better word - but that is when I *knew* we were all one -- wherever I went, I would recognize
whoever I saw as me - really strange feeling as it was soooo obvious. I didn't want to be anything other than kind and wonderful to them because of
that fact! (Now wish I could know that feeling when someone really ticks me off - oh well - back to the drawing board and surrendering...)
xxxtg
* Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time.
I think I've forgotten this before *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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This is where I probably get thrown off the list.
If so, it's been nice knowing you.
But I've seen lately in a few posts (mine included) some reference to
the movie The Wizard of Oz.
And I was wondering, how could we cast a re-make of the movie using (mostly) members of this list.
So, without further adieux (Sp?) here are my most humble (and stupid)
suggestions (I've left out all sorts of people I like, but, hey, show biz is cruel):
Dorothy: Glo Lee
The Munchkins: The Lurkers
The Tin Man, The Lion, The Scarecrow: Danijel, Ed, Harsha (fight it out
between you to see who gets what part)
The Good Witch of the East: Mystress Angelique Serpent
The Wicked Witch of the West: Hillary
Toto: teegee
Wizard: Peswani __________________________
Have a nice day! Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:58:03 -0700
From: Jerry Katz To: samyanaATnospamhotmail.com, Harsha1MTM , david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Gloria Lee's Incredible Question!
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Harsha1MTM wrote: >
> In a message dated 4/7/1998 1:33:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > samyanaATnospamhotmail.com writes:
> > < Just what do you DO after you stop seeking...?? whatever
> it may be you are seeking...peace, truth, etc. >> >
> Harsha: Oh Gloria, I thought you knew! Then you get to bore others to tears > by endlessly talking about it. :--). Sorry, I couldn't resist. Like it or
> not I am totally funny and that's the way it is. Seriously though (not > really), after you DO stop seeking, you start floating. That is because
> seeking creates a subtle gravitational pull that holds you down. I could also > say that once you stop seeking consciously, and relax perfectly, You start
> Truly Seeing. You are right Gloria. Life is for kindness, giving, and > enjoying. Embrace it with all your heart and soul and you will have embraced
> Your Own Self.
Jerry:
I find there never was seeking here and there. Seeking was no different than going to the movies. But there was only a turning toward what is.
When that turn was made I saw that doing was not an issue.
We would make fun of such an inquiry as, WHO wants to know what you do after you stop seeking? But, really, WHO is what a person has to turn
to, not seeking, not the cessation of seeking, and not doing, I would like to suggest.
So Harsha has all along been hitting the nail on the head the times he
bothered -- sorry, I meant to say "urged" -- people to attend to Who the speaker or questioner is. It is absolutely valid and even a required
task, I feel. Anyway, this note wouldn't be complete without any mention at all of potato salad or cole slaw.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:59:35 EDT From: Imtgxxx
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Dan asked: What practice or experience caused your kundalini to awaken?
I think a variety of many things lead up to my awakening...
. Daily disciplined meditation
. Daily disciplined study of ACIM . ChiGong (sp?) daily
. 24 hour a day mantras (I said them so much, it was like they were still there while I slept, worked, or talked)
. An enormous, insatiable (obsessive?) desire to know God, that grew more stronger each day.
. Anything or anyone that even slightly irritated me, I surrendered my thoughts, my feelings and my perceptions to see it differently. Got quite
obsessed with doing that (apparently stayed quite irritated - LOL - was doing it quite a bit).
. I was with two people quite a bit whose kundalini was active (altho didn't realize or know that was what it was at the time)
. 3 days prior, I began contemplating & meditating on a part of ACIM that summarizes the whole Course in one sentence. (thought about that until the
day of awakening). . 2 days prior to my awakening, I went to see Roy Eugene Davis, disciple of
Yogananda, who suggested we meditate on white light going up and down the spine & out the head (which I began doing).
. 1 day prior I had a hands-on *healing* with several people involved where I asked for 'Peace of Mind' - that was the only thing I wanted. (Never heard of
Kundalini or expected any kind of experience of Oneness). . The day of awakening, my ACIM lesson of the day was "I see nothing as it is
now", and meditated for awhile on that.
(kids.... don't try this at home)
xxxtg
* and the rest was H-E-R-S-T-O-R-Y *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html To: Gloria Lee , Kundalini
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Gloria Lee wrote:
> Dear David,
> You are more fun than a barrel of monkeys!!!
A barrel of monkeys is so overrated.
> We agree more than we > disagree..sorta..but I simply cannot resist teasing you..
I thought I was teasing you.(what do I know?)
> its as irresistable as ice cream..
Mint chocolate chip?
> While your advice may be very useful on the path TO Enlightenment..is
> there any Afterlife..after Enlightenment???
Does raising questions constitute advice?
> What good is even > enlightenment experience if it does not lead to Life??
It leads to Disney Land.
> cryptic remarks ARE this thought-provoking..so you better expect
> some follow-up questions to arise.
That might be the point.
> With my contrariness, I may even > argue just for the sake of being difficult.
You? No way.
> This does not mean I do not love the way you are, tho. I mean anyone who
> writes poems about lost dogs is A-ok in my book.
The dog died.
> .Honestly..I AM trying to sort this > out..while being silly may not help,
Being serious doesn't help.
> its some comfort to me to have this
> list to talk to..or just think out loud with.
You're very loud dear one.
> At work this morning I had a chat with a young man who has been in a > wheelchair the past 10 years, since a drunk driver hit his car when he
> was only 17. Like most of the people I see at work on a daily basis, its > kinda hard to work enlightenment into the conversation
Enlightenment isn't meant for conversation, is it?How about those Bulls?(the
Chicago ones)
> but what do you > recommend in situations like this?? I want some relevance, not escapism.
Don't we sorta want both simultaneously?
> Glo: OK, you want to wake me up..fine..
I love the way you snore.
> just how do you USE this being awake??
ZZzzzzzzzzz.........
> you wanta tell me I can't find wisdom in your
> words..
Do fools recognize wisdom?
> just because they raise more questions than answers for me.. > sometimes??
Answers? Who said anything about answers?That's my question for you.
> How do you experience being everything??I haven't the foggiest.
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 02:33:26 -0500 From: Ann Morrison Fisher
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Creation
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Sandeep wrote:
>THAT eternally creates the entire cosmos, and THAT sustains every
>photon,atom, cell and quasi-stellar object at every instant.
Does every thing arise from and return to the All at every instant, rather than once? A kind of breathing of the universe?
Love,
Ann Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 16:04:56 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" To:
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From: Sandeep Chatterjee
To: Ann Morrison Fisher Date: Wednesday, April 08, 1998 02:17 PM
Subject: Re: Creation
>Hello Ann, >
>- >
>>(earlier)Sandeep wrote: >>
>>>THAT eternally creates the entire cosmos, and THAT sustains every >>>photon,atom, cell and quasi-stellar object at every instant.
>> >>Does every thing arise from and return to the All at every instant, rather
>>than once? A kind of breathing of the universe? >
> >Sandeep:
> >I have no direct answer to your question as for me words cannot contain
>answers to such questions. >
>However I invite you to look at life. >In Life can you see is there anything which is static.
>Birth is taking place, growing, aging, death and then birth again. Spring >changes to Summer to Autumn, to Winter a movement is taking place.
> >In this very physical body that you inhabit, science confirms that in an
>single instant close to a million cells are being born and similar numbers >are dying.This process is such that approximately in every 7years span the
>whole human body and all it's systems, physical, mental, nervous systems etc >have completely changed from what it was.
> >Stars are dying, galaxies are being born.
> >There is no event taking place in life in the sense of a static occurrence in
>time. There is a eternal process the only constant attribute of which is of >"changing".
> >For me Life never suggests Acts of "Creation" ( Chap works for 6 days and
>rest on the 7th day sort of thing) but eternally "Creating". >
>Yes in the Hindu philosophy (with due apologies to the Upanshadic Richs who >would cringe to be called philosophers) a Breath out and a Breath In of the
>Brahman(THAT) constitutes a kalpa ( some Billions of years) and corresponds >to the forming of this Universe and it's dissolution.
> >All statements of Truth no matter how profound are like paintings of the
>sky. >
>A painting of the sky is a dead, bounded, limited "version" of the sky, >whereas the sky is unbounded, infinitely expansive, pregnant with Life.
> >Keeping this is in mind I offer another painting which for me is the closest
>but is still not the sky: >
>All have emanated from the One,not as a single act of Creation but as > "Creating" with the One flowing into All.
>Just like a Dance. >The Dance exists because a Dancer is dancing. The Dancer is a Dancer because
>the Dance has come into existence. >Where does the Dance end and Where does the Dancer begin?
> >No where as there is no separation.There never was, is
>not and will never be. >
> Hence for God or whatever, for Godliness to be Godliness, creating >was necessary.Thus for the One to be aware of it's "oneness" it was
> necessary for a game to be played viz for the "other"(viz the Universe, >mortals, inanimate beings etc) to be continuously created.
> >Since the "One" is infinite in it's "oneness", creating continues for
>infinity. Each > evolvement of creativity, defines more and more to the "One" it's
> Oneness. > And thus I say this is a perfectly imperfect world.
>Perfection will mean end of the game viz the "One" has fully realized it's >"Oneness" and that appears impossible.
> >
>Just some thoughts from an idle moment. >
>In zikr >
> >
>Sandeep
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From: Glenn Bailey To: Dan Margolis
CC: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" Subject: Re: kundalini questions
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Dan Margolis wrote: >
> I would like to propose another survey. For everyone on the list who's kundalini is awakened:What practice or experience caused your kundalini to awaken? >
Dan - The years preceding the beginning of my "K" experience included sporadic meditation, giving massage to friends and family, receiving
massage and floating in an isolation tank. The last few months prior to my first experience included Orth-bionomy therapy. In fact, my first
experience (felt as a lightning bolt from the base of my spine through my chest and head) occured during an ortho-bionomy session.
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 05:01:29 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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At 12:25 AM 08/04/98 -0700, Jerry Katz wrote: >This is where I probably get thrown off the list.
> >If so, it's been nice knowing you.
LOL!
>The Good Witch of the East: Mystress Angelique Serpent >
>The Wicked Witch of the West: Hillary
No way man, I got dibbs on the west Witch.. Already got the socks, and the infinity of monkeys.. they can fly if they feel like it, and I consume
a pound of demerra sugar every few weeks, so I might be made of it.. I don't melt in the shower tho, thank Goddess..!! Well, at least not like she
did.. do kind of tend to have a meltdown tho.. heh heh.. ...and I'm futher west than Hillary... LOL!
Actually, I built a chariot to ride in for the Gay pride Parade leather
section, coz everybody loves a parade. I felt like being in one.. and I had a cause to promote.. and folks willing to be ponies.. very cool. It is
presently stored my garage.. missed the Fool's parade, already.. too bad.
It is the "parade chariot", and last time I did a wicked witch impression for the entire parade, in pouring rain.. shaking my soft purple suede whip
and threatening everyone and thier little dogs too.. probably the biggest surprise was the number of folks who ran up from the crowd and presented
their bottom so I could whack 'em one on the way by.. Ah, life in the circus..
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:38:25 -0700 From: "Ed Jason"
To: "Garden (the)" , "Wanda" , "Kundalini list"
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Dare to Dream.. Dare to Risk..
To laugh is to risk appearing a fool.
To weep is to risk appearing sentimental. To reach out for another is to risk involvement.
To expose feelings is to risk rejection. To place your dreams before the crowd is to risk ridicule.
To love is to risk not being loved in return. To go forward in the face of overwhelming odds is to risk failure.
But risks must be taken because the greatest hazard in life is risk nothing.
The person who risks nothing, does nothing, has nothing, is nothing.
He may avoid suffering and sorrow, but he cannot learn, feel, change, grow or love.
Chained by his certitudes, he is a slave. He has forfeited his freedom.
Only a person who dares to risk is free.
(Author Unknown) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:59:44 -0700
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> < Just what do you DO after you stop seeking...?? whatever
> it may be you are seeking...peace, truth, etc. >> >
> Harsha: Oh Gloria, I thought you knew! Then you get to bore others to tears
> by endlessly talking about it. :--). Sorry, I couldn't resist. Like it or
> not I am totally funny and that's the way it is. Seriously though (not > really), after you DO stop seeking, you start floating. That is because
> seeking creates a subtle gravitational pull that holds you down. I could also
> say that once you stop seeking consciously, and relax perfectly, You start
> Truly Seeing. You are right Gloria. Life is for kindness, giving, and > enjoying. Embrace it with all your heart and soul and you will have
embraced > Your Own Self.
We are off . . .
Off to see the Wizard . . . Because?
Because, because, because . . . Because of the wonderful things he does . . .
Tin Lobster
PS. Follow oh follow, oh follow the Yellow Brick Rd . . . Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 09:37:09 -0700
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The journey
the eternal and underlying search for the holy grail
the golden chalice the symbol of the truth
the truth of the essence of being the births and lives
the endless games laughing and crying
living these lies dying a million deaths
the magnificence the beauty
the power the love
hidden beneath the soil of a billion sins
brilliant as the sun infinite and eternal
covered and undone but the sleeper has awoken
to face that which cannot be faced to do that which cannot be done
the stage is set the path is clear
the step is taken the magnificence
the beauty the power
the love is at hand...
Peace, steve
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