1998/04/06 21:12
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #269
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 269
Today's Topics:
Re: Harsha's comment [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3 ]
Re: genuine/reply [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
screensaver therapy :-) [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Whirlpools [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
not k related [ freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net> ]
Re: a poem [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Movie: Resurrection [ LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com> ]
A new Mantra [ LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: a poem [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Question [ Mark Anthony Collins <themacmanATnospammac ]
Re: A new Mantra [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time) [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: A new Mantra [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: On Dangers of Pranayama [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: The Weeping Guru-Lets Party! [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: a poem [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time) [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time) [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Zen master [ "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: KL : EGO [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time) [ John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com ]
Re:Master debaters? [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
self-help [ "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net> ]
Re: Master debaters? [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: KL : EGO [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Re: A Community of The Spirit [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: Master debaters? [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Re: Enlightenment-Self-Realization [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:22:13 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" <sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Harsha's comment
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Hello Lobster,
-
>> First of all cheers to you.
>
>Ah hah! A wine drinking Moslem . . .
Sandeep:
Absolutely. What heights and depths Omar Khayyam could traverse through
wine....
>Labels?
>I shall call you nothing
>can you live up to such a calling?
Absolutely. It is out of Nothing that all Creativity emerges (smile).
>Welcome to Kundalini Friend Sandeep
>
Thank you.
May I wish you a peace beyond all understanding.
In zikr
Sandeep.
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:48:36 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>, <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: genuine/reply
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>>Dear Jason....who you are is a poet...among others
i'm afraid
>From "The Listener" (in book, "The Voice of The Master")
>by Kahlil Gibran
>
> What could have been another song entitled "Song of the
> Wind":
>
> "...Into the ears of the rose you whisper a secret whose
> meaning she grasps; often she is troubled--then she rejoices.
> Such is the way of God with the soul of Man...you write
> your songs on the face of the waters; then you erase them.
> So does the poet when he is creating...Are you the same
> frolicsome breeze that trembles with the dawn among the
> leaves and branches and flits like a dream through the
> windings of the valleys where the flowers bow in greeting
> and where the grass droops heavy-lidded with the intoxication
> of your breath?...
>
> You rise from the oceans and shake their silent depths
> from your tresses...Are you the selfsame gentle breeze that
> caresses the locks of children as the play around their
> homes?...In the still night, hearts reveal their secrets to
> you. And at dawn, eyes open at your gentle touch. Are you
> mindful of what the heart has felt or the eyes have seen."
>
this is beautiful. the poet paints that gaping maw between Truth and
Understandment in an eloquent convolving light of deep yearning. the poet
knows that every one of us is there, spinning in that light, one breath away
from collapsing into the maw and rejoining that from which we were never
separated.
show us more!
many thanks
jason
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:01:34 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: screensaver therapy :-)
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Freda,
Gee! An unsolicited testimonial. :-) That's neat! Thanks for letting me
know.
BTW, I have another screen saver I might be putting online before too
long...it's 7 chakra-colored 3-dimensional stars that start rotating and
play a tone from a
Debussy-like whole tone scale when struck with pleasant-sounding random
music as the result. It was just for fun...but I have a notion that it may
stimulate the chakras. At least mine buzz a bit when I watch it. :-)
This could start a whole new thing: screensaver therapy.
Love,
Sharon
shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
A new fractal gallery, Gallery XI, was posted to this site, 4/3/98:
A new "YinYang Screensaver" for downloading was posted to this site, 4/2/98:
http://www.fractalus.com/sharon/
USA Today Hot Site; Cosmic Site of the Night: Cool Central Site of the Day;
ENC Digital Dozen; Enchantment Award; ArtSearch Featured Site;
NetTech NeatTech: Best of the Web; Eye Candy, Honorable Mention;
Studyweb Featured Site; Lotus Light Award; Wave of the Day featured site
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 13:26:47 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Whirlpools
Message-Id: <199804051826.NAA04748ATnospamdfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com>
Great metaphor, because I think chaos theory would say that it is
increased energy that generates the turbulence that generates the
whirlpool. And I think this happens over and over on the spiritual
path. Just now I'm most interested in the state just before the
whirlpool gets formed again -- learning how to live with the
turbulence, not dam it up prematurely, or dissipate the energy (k).
And then of course each time the whole wet mess can tolerate more
energy so the turbulence gets more turbulent. Whew! Holly
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:42:56 -0700
From: freda <fredaATnospamblarg.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: not k related
Message-ID: <3527D0B0.7027ATnospamblarg.net>
Dear Klist,
Sorry this is off topic but I wanted to share it with you anyway.
Anytime I can have a *good excuse* for just sittin' and starring at my
screen - I'll take it.
Reciently, Sharron Webb posted the address to download her screensaver.
I was curious and set ut up,
I watched it for just a few minutes on my screen
and noticed that My eyes felt better [I should wear my glasses but they
are a burden]
I had, a few months back, read about eye exercises to strenthen eyesight
that was supposed to be able to correct vision problems.
Watching Sharron Webbs screensaver remided me of this.
I have been taking a few minutes every hour or so to "roll my eyes" with
the fractal//ying/yang dohickey.
I am not squinting and my eyes are not feeling "tight"
I am impressed.
And you thought it was JUST a cool screensaver!!!
Thanks!
freda
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:01:21 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: a poem
Message-ID: <3527F121.1736ATnospammail.snet.net>
anandajyoti wrote:
> At least ,
> somebody knows the difference of being unripe compared to the ripe ego,
> or is it vice versa.
The unripe ones are green, right?
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:09:02 EDT
From: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Movie: Resurrection
Message-ID: <702bd5fa.3527f2f0ATnospamaol.com>
Certainly a powerful weekend for me. First the New Mantra in the hot tub last
night, then the movie Resurrection this afternoon. That is my all-time
favorite movie, with Ellen Bursten, a true story of a lady in Kansas, Edna Mae
McCauley, who died in a car crash, and returned. She discovered that she had
a tremendous healing power. Her only claim for the power was LOVE. She
didn't do any exercises nor did she meditate. She died and found LOVE.
This one story has been my inspiration through many years of searching, then I
am reminded today that it's really simple. LOVE. So hard to do, yet so easy
to do.
Leona.
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 17:14:38 EDT
From: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: A new Mantra
Message-ID: <c45700df.3527f440ATnospamaol.com>
Jerry wrote:
> I like it very much. I have also found it effective to inquire, not in
any disciplined fashion, but randomly during the day, "Is this I AM?" It
is just a reminder, for those of us that need it, that there is nothing
that is not the flame.
Have you read I Am That, by Nisargadatta Maharaj?<
Hi, Jerry,
Thanks for your comments. I think randomly during the day is more effective
than any disciplined fashion. I'll try asking that way. Who doesn't need
reminding constantly?
Leona
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:07:15 EDT
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: a poem
Message-ID: <6388341b.35280094ATnospamaol.com>
<< anandajyoti wrote:
> At least , > somebody knows the difference of being unripe compared to the
ripe ego, > or is it vice versa.
David wrote: The unripe ones are green, right?
Unless you apply it to green tomatoes....
xxxtg <~~~~ Loves Fried Green 'Maters
* Master debaters often argue with themselves *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:05:16 -0700
From: Mark Anthony Collins <themacmanATnospammacsrule.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Question
Message-ID: <3527ABBC.28A5ATnospammacsrule.com>
Sharon Webb wrote:
>
> Are there any absolutes?
>
Yes. I think, therefore it is so.
Collectively: We think, therefore it is so.
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:13:12 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A new Mantra
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LHodges942 wrote:
>
> While taking a long, hot soak in the hot tub tonight, with only one candle
> burning, the following mantra came to me, and I thought I'd share it with
> anyone who wants it:
> While looking at the flame, either within or without, repeat with each exhaled
> breath:
>
> I AM THE FLAME THAT CONSUMES ALL
>
> I AM THE FLAME
>
> I AM THE SPARK THAT IGNITES THE FLAME
>
> I AM THE SPARK
>
> I AM THE I AM
>
> I AM
>
> I
Jerry:
I like it very much. I have also found it effective to inquire, not in
any disciplined fashion, but randomly during the day, "Is this I AM?" It
is just a reminder, for those of us that need it, that there is nothing
that is not the flame.
Have you read I Am That, by Nisargadatta Maharaj?
______
"is this OM?"
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/om.htm
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 13:51:57 -0700
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Gayatri S <gayatri100ATnospamhotmail.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
Message-ID: <3527EEED.7449ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Jerry had written:
> >> "The only cure now for the current ills
> >> Is that the brilliant galaxy which fills
> >> The chairs of power should be required to gain
> >> Transcendence with attunement of the brain..."
> >> (The Shape of Things To Come, 1st Edition, Gopi Krishna, p. 107)
> >>
> >> Folks, if you don't think kundalini is dangerous, would you please
> read
> >> that passage again? Does anybody know what the hell Gopi Krishna is
> >> talking about?
David Bozzi wrote:
> >Lucky for you I'm a skilled translator for nonsense.
> >
> >Gopi:
> >"The only cure now for the current ills
> >D.
> >(The only way to a perfect world.)
> >Gopi:
> >Is that the brilliant galaxy which fills
> >The chairs of power should be required to gain
> >Transcendence with attunement of the brain..."
> >D.
> >(The rulers and people of power must be enlightened
> >per requirement via some scientifically controlled and tested method.)
> >
> >Anyway, poetry is like clouds.
> >Reflective clouds.
> >Someone else may see it as something pinched from Star Trek 6
Gayatri wrote:
> hello kundaliniites!!...lurker sneaking in her 2 cents here....I don't
> know why I'm responding...just that reading in this post triggered
> something in my fingers..and bingo what do you know...my keyboard works
> :)
>
> I think what Gopiji was saying is that to clean up all the mess that us
> humans have made in this world, we have to release and use that radiant
> energy...kundalini shakti(brilliant galaxy) which rests at the base of
> our spine...muladhara chakra(which fills the chairs of power) and allow
> it to flow up the spine towards the brain...to work with what he calls
> attunement of the brain.
>
> The chairs of power he's referring to I think = the seat of that
> primordial energy.
Jerry writes: The passage just needed some editing. It sounds as though
Gopiji is saying the brilliant galaxy should be required to gain
transcendence. Edited, the passage might read:
The only cure now for the current ills
Is the brilliant galaxy which fills,
The chairs of power should be required to gain
Transcendence with attunement of the brain.
Now it makes sense. In my edited version the brilliant galaxy just
"fills" (implied is that it fills "all.") In the unedited version the
brilliant galaxy fills the chairs of power and also should be required
to gain transcendence. That doesn't make sense. Why should the brilliant
galaxy (shakti) be required to gain transcendence? Maybe in some other
context it should, but not within the context of the rest of Gopi
Krishna's poetry.
So one interpretation is that the way to harmony is the proper
harnessing of the force of that brilliant galaxy. The populace should
require world leaders to appropriately attend to Shakti. All
interpretations are in the ballpark, I guess.
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:10:37 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>, Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time)
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Klytes,
Enlightenment is the brass ring on the merry-go-round of life... if you're
successful in obtaining it, keep it, don't trade it in on another ride. dor
At 11:45 AM 4/6/98 -0700, anandajyoti wrote:
>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 07:50:30 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: LHodges942 <LHodges942ATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A new Mantra
Message-ID: <3528EBB5.9BA73BE2ATnospamgeocities.com>
Hello !
If you got it the hottub, it would work fine and in a powerful as you say.
About a year ago I was having a hot shower and the following mantra or words
dawned on my consciousness.
Ananda Rupam Shiva Swarupam, Maya Bhedam Matoro Namami.
which is in Sanskrit and transliterated it means:
What is my form -it is bliss.
What is my nature- Its Shiva
Maya Bhedam- Shattering the veil of illusions and delusions
Matoro Namami- Oh! Divine Mother in All, I bow to thee.
It was spontaneous and very uplifting. There was no prior thought involved, but I
could see the words in sanskrit , as I had my eyes closed during the time. When I
repeated it I also found a sublime rhythm in the words. I danced and swayed in a
spirit of bliss and when I finished, the hot water tank was empty and the cold
blast brought me back to my worldly senses. I am sure, many people do have such
realizations or experiences and have the opportunity to taste their blissful
states of consciousness. Thanks for your sharing Leona, which also inspired me to
share. Normally I do not beat my drums, unless the inspiration directs me to.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
LHodges942 wrote:
> While taking a long, relaxing soak in the hot tub tonight, with only one
> candle flame the following Mantra occurred to me. I thought I would share it
> with anyone and everyone. It is to be chanted slowly while looking either at
> the flame within or without
>
> I AM THE FLAME THAT CONSUMES ALL
>
> I AM THE FLAME
>
> I AM THE SPARK THAT IGNITES THE FLAME
>
> I AM THE SPARK
>
> I AM THE I AM
>
> I AM
>
> I
>
> It was a very powerful Mantra for me, and if you use it I would like to hear
> your comments.
>
> Leona
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 20:53:08 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: On Dangers of Pranayama
Message-ID: <77944d1c.3526e406ATnospamaol.com>
I have a quick question. What is the name (if any) of the Pranayama that one
practices while doing asanas-- ie breathing in and out through nostrils but in
tune with body positions.
Thanks,
Love, Hillary
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:17:04 -0800
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Weeping Guru-Lets Party!
Message-ID: <352705C0.1A2AATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Jerry wrote:
> << There is only one day with nothing happening and nobody doing
> > >anything."
Glo Lee wrote:
> > >Dear Jerry,
> > Sounds like you may have made a random visit to drop in our Congress
> > ...just any old day will do for that.
Jerry wrote:
> HA! Yes, but my research further reveals an ancient Sanskrit nondual
> verse whose literal translation is: "There is only one day with nothing
> happening and nobody doing anything except for the young chick with huge
> gazoombas going down on the President."
>
Harsha wrote:
> Jerry! WHO is going down on WHO! Going down WHERE! WHERE Jerry! WHERE!
> And HOW! O.K. Bring out the potato salad. I have worked up an appetite.
Jerry writes:
WHO? WHO? ... Oooooh! Yes! Of course! That's it! I see it now! WHO is
... ... IT! I am it!. I am ENLIGHTENED!! ... is there any cole slaw ...
?
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:29:04 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
CC: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: a poem
Message-ID: <35296540.FF205146ATnospamgeocities.com>
Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 4/5/1998 3:08:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
> writes:
>
> << * Master debaters often argue with themselves *
> >>
>
> Yes. Practice makes them perfect!
Or is it the perfect practice which makes the practice imperfect.
Anandajyoti
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:32:03 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: onarresATnospaminreach.com
CC: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time)
Message-ID: <352965F3.FFB6AFE2ATnospamgeocities.com>
onarresATnospaminreach.com wrote:
> Klytes,
>
> Enlightenment is the brass ring on the merry-go-round of life... if you're
> successful in obtaining it, keep it, don't trade it in on another ride. dor
>
> Brass needs regular polishing, I would rather prefer platinum, stays polished
> longer, when studded with a big diamond, which is hard to break.
Anandajyoti
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:14:21 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time)
Message-ID: <19980405231421.22438.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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So tee gee, from her infinite wisdom states:
>
>
>
>* It doesn't matter who plays Batman *
>
So is it MY turn yet...???
Glo
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:45:29 -0800
From: "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Zen master
Message-Id: <199804051716.SAA08919ATnospamboober.lineone.net>
A Zen master said: imagine you
are walking along a beach, and you can see your footsteps behind, and
you can look ahead and imagine them there after you have traversed that
place - but you cannot see your present footsteps. Ego thinks it
knows who walks, but the walking is not the thought of the walking, the
one walking is not the thought of the one walking - ego-self is in
error.
Dogen Zen-ji said, "Seeing forms with the whole body and mind,
hearing sounds with the whole body and mind, one understands them
intimately." This means 'not separately' or egologically. "To study
the Buddha Way is to study the self. To study the self is to forget
the self'. That is, to BE it completely so that we don't have anything
left over - then this matter of egolessness becomes clear. Then there
is something that has always been there that will support you - your
true identity.
Ed
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 16:24:54 -0700
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
CC: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: KL : EGO
Message-ID: <35296446.782B8DD7ATnospamgeocities.com>
David Bozzi wrote:
> Jan Barendrecht wrote:
>
> > Control of the activities of mind (yoga) means
> > control of ego also.
>
> Who controls ego?
ALL parts of you.
Anandajyoti.
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:31:25 -0500
From: John Heaton <CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com>
To: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment (One Mo' Time)
Message-ID: <3528144D.6D0BATnospampsbnewton.com>
Imtgxxx wrote:
> Hellooo List....
> It is important to discover what your own definition of Enlightenment means.<
John:
Enlightenment means never having to say your sorry.
Now howz about some of them fried green 'mators?
P.S. Arguing isn't the only thing "master debators" to by themselves!
:-)
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:53:54 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re:Master debaters?
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>xxxtg <~~~~ Loves Fried Green 'Maters
>
>* Master debaters often argue with themselves *
>
No doubt this is true, but WHO wins?? WHO??
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Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:34:08 -0800
From: "Ed" <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: "Swiszczowski" <JSteveSwATnospamaol.com>,
"Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
"harish" <hari_patelATnospamlondonelec.co.uk>, "Dave" <rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk>,
"Christina Jason" <gbsphcmjATnospamibmmail.com>,
"Anold Lloyd" <a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk>
Subject: self-help
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Instructions to booksellers . . .
I went to a bookstore and asked the saleswoman, "Where's the
self-help section?" She said if she told me, it would defeat the
purpose.
Lobster
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:22:39 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: samyanaATnospamhotmail.com, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Master debaters?
Message-ID: <99273afb.35282050ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/5/1998 4:53:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
samyanaATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< * Master debaters often argue with themselves *
>
No doubt this is true, but WHO wins?? WHO??
>>
Harsha: WHO Wins!! WHO Else?
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:18:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: KL : EGO
Message-Id: <199804051318.IAA06504ATnospamdfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com>
(Jan) "boredom means being conscious of unfulfilled expectations
without knowing their content."
Human beings are programmed to enter a state of boredom/anxiety after
being at rest for a period of time without sleeping. Otherwise we'd
never search for food before we got hungry, make culture or decide we
ought to become enlightened! Holly
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:39:48 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: <lobATnospamlineone.net>, "Kundalini list" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: A Community of The Spirit
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lob,
how do these words find blind spots and remove veils that i didn't know i
had. wolves are as necessary as shepherds. without wolves the sheep wander
aimless, shepherdless. the wolf attacks and devours the careless ones and
they are born anew, with new hope, new direction. yet the shepherds have no
love of wolves.
i am a carnivore. life feeds on life. ideas feed on ideas. can i come out
of prison with even this on my conscience? can the community of the spirit
accept even a wolf, having bitten so many?
jason
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed <lobATnospamlineone.net>
To: Kundalini list <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Saturday, 04 April, 1998 12:14 PM
Subject: A Community of The Spirit
>A Community of The Spirit
>
>There is a community of the spirit.
>Join in, and feel the delight
>of walking in the noisy street,
>and being the noise.
>
>Drink all your passion,
>and be a disgrace.
>
>Close both eyes
>to see with the other eye.
>
>Open your hands,
>if you want to be held.
>
>Sit down in this circle.
>
>Quit acting like a wolf, and feel
>the shepherd's love filling you.
>
>At night, your beloved wanders.
>Don't accept consolations.
>
>Close your mouth against food.
>Taste the lover's mouth in yours.
>
>You moan, "She left me." "He left me."
>Twenty more will come.
>
>Be empty of worrying.
>Think of who created thought!
>
>Why do you stay in prison
>when the door is so wide open?
>
>Move outside the tangle of fear-thinking.
>Live in silence.
>
>Flow down and down in always
>widening rings of being.
>
>There's a strange frenzy in my head,
>of birds flying,
>each particle circulating on its own,
>Is the one I love everywhere?
>
>Rumi
>
>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:39:53 +0100
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Master debaters?
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At 20:22 05/04/98 EDT, Harsha1MTM wrote:
>In a message dated 4/5/1998 4:53:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>samyanaATnospamhotmail.com writes:
>
><< * Master debaters often argue with themselves *
> >
> No doubt this is true, but WHO wins?? WHO??
> >>
>Harsha: WHO Wins!! WHO Else?
No - Who's on last... (etc)
Oh, never mind.
R.
Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:54:01 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment-Self-Realization
Message-ID: <bc5f309.352827abATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 4/5/1998 10:58:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
writes:
<< The question would be then, is, what belief and definition have you placed
upon being enlightened? Until this group as a whole, comes to one
conclusion, there will always be conflict on this subject as to who is
enlightened or what it means. >>
Harsha: Enlightenment certainly does appear to have different meanings for
different people (and in different traditions and philosophies). In the
context of Advaita Vedanta, the more precise term "Self-Realization" is used.
I prefer to use the term Self-Recognition. The best known modern exponent of
the philosophy of Advaita Vedanta is Ramana Maharishi, the Sage of Arunachala.
He went to the sacred hill when he was 17 and stayed there for more than half
a century. He answered questions on Vedanta and
Self-Realization and other philosophical systems from all comers. The
philosophy of Advaita Vedanta is given practical application through Self-
Enquiry (Atma Vichara), meditation and various forms of Yoga including
Kundalini Yoga. Sri Ramana emphasized the system of Self-Enquiry and Self-
Awareness while expressing support for the techniques of meditation and yoga
and simple breath awareness (pranayama). On this path the term Enlightenment
denotes Non-dual and Absolute Consciousness which is Recognized with Perfect
Clarity in Kevala Nirvikalpa Samadhi when mind has subsided into the Self.
Here Self Sees IT Self by It Self and Through It Self (without any hindering
medium). This is also called the state of Sat-Chit- Ananda. Beyond that
there is Sahaj Samadhi only, which describes the realization of the Sage for
whom Non-dual consciousness has become natural and Divine communion is
continuous (unbroken by any other state of consciousness including deep sleep,
dream sleep or Superconscious states of any type).
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