1998/04/06 21:11
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #267
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 267
Today's Topics: Unidentified subject! [ "Ed" ]
Re: a poem [ anandajyoti ] Re: Bhastrika revisited [ anandajyoti ]
a poem [ "Jan Barendrecht" ] Re:It was ALL due to Danijel!Warning [ "Gloria Lee" ]
zen cats [ "Gloria Lee" ] Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:08:12 -0800
From: "Ed" To: "Kundalini list"
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I thank you God for most this amazing
day; and for the leaping greenly spirits of trees - And a blue true dream of sky; and for everything
which is natural which is infinite which is you.
I who have died am alive again today, and this is the sun's birthday; this is the birth
day of life and of love and of wings; and the gay great happening illimitably earth.
How should tasting touching hearing seeing
breathing any- lifted from the no of all nothing- and human merely being
doubt unimaginable you?
Now the ears of my ears awake and now the eyes of my eyes are opened.
e.e.cummings
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 04:47:54 -0700 From: anandajyoti
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Anandajyoti>
A piece of finnesse in the lyrics of it all, Jan. I loved it. At least , somebody knows the difference of being unripe compared to the ripe ego,
or is it vice versa. Anandajyoti
Jan Barendrecht wrote:
> Disclaimer: not meant to be serious
> > Neither am I space
> Nor am I its form > Never created and never born
> > Neither am I ego
> Nor am I the mind > Never created and nobody's find
> > Neither am I the universe
> Nor its vast content > Neither am I inflated
> Nor am I intent > On having to pay its monthly rent *
> > Neither am I a pundit
> Nor one of his books > Forever joking how silly he looks
> All his knowledge and all his skill > Just turning the wheel without paying the bill
> > Jan (who at this stage is experiencing the unripe ego)
> > * to some finite principle of the mind with a desire to create
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 23:14:09 -0700 From: anandajyoti
To: Gayatri S CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Guitar S wrote:
> > > >Lucky for you I'm a skilled translator for nonsense.
> > > >Gopi:
> >"The only cure now for the current ills > >D.
> >(The only way to a perfect world.) > >Gopi:
> >Is that the brilliant galaxy which fills > >The chairs of power should be required to gain
> >Transcendence with attunement of the brain..." > >D.
> >(The rulers and people of power must be enlightened > >per requirement via some scientifically controlled and tested method.)
> > > >Anyway, poetry is like clouds.
> >Reflective clouds. > >Someone else may see it as something pinched from Star Trek 6
> > hello kundaliniites!!...lurker sneaking in her 2 cents here....I don't
> know why I'm responding...just that reading in this post triggered > something in my fingers..and bingo what do you know...my keyboard works
> :) >
> I think what Gopiji was saying is that to clean up all the mess that us > humans have made in this world, we have to release and use that radiant
> energy...kundalini shakti(brilliant galaxy) which rests at the base of > our spine...muladhara chakra(which fills the chairs of power) and allow
> it to flow up the spine towards the brain...to work with what he calls > attunement of the brain.
> > The chairs of power he's referring to I think = the seat of that
> primordial energy. >
> just what I think >
> squishy hugs, > Gayatri :)
> > Anandajyoti>
Hello Gayatri !I strongly feel that your commentary on the poetry of Gopi
Krishna is indeed, very succinct and well analyzed. >From another who is quite capable of making some meaning of any nonsense,
for the other side of the same makes some sense. Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
> >
>
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From: anandajyoti To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu"
CC: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" Subject: Re: Bhastrika revisited
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> >
> KK: > I'm not sure I understand your comment. I follow my own rhetorical question
> with a couple examples of how.
Anandajyoti> I was being facetious, frankly speaking , not directed at you but the Gurus.If everything is brought out in simple ways, would people give value
to it? Most people mostly hanker after name brands, don't they. IMHO the Surya is physically lit in the navel as you say with the prana and
apana, for which there is no doubt, but the simple criteria is being able to focus on the lighting of the fire at the navel, with no other thoughts in the
mind. This also involves practice, of being able to focus on one thing alone for a considerable amount of time. But normally our minds either have various
thoughts popping up and receding during the course of even five minutes, or engaged in endless chatter, jumping from one thought to the other. The
stillness if achieved, is very powerful and effective in lighting that fire at the navel through the application of the locks, within a very short time.
> Kurt>The most commonly described method is to unite prana and apana - for
> more > detail on this refer to the kundalini-yoga-faq.
> > Another method is apparently through simply breathing through the right
> nostril (closing the left). The right channel (pingala) is associated with > the sun and focusing on breathing exclusively through the right nostril. is
> said to awaken the sun/Surya at the navel. Never confirmed this myself but > have found it a number of places.
> > Which you noted. (I was happy to get your comments regarding breathing
> through the right nostril. So this approach makes sense to you I guess. > I've never tried it for any duration.
Anandajyoti> What you state above is part of the whole process and is indeed
true.
> >
> So can you elaborate on your comment: `` Why do not the Gurus or even > illustrious authors on the subject spell it out?''
Anandajyoti> Please refer back to my note in the foregoing. again, feel like
being facetious, and say why else, because their money enhancing business would fall apart.They consider it their trade secret as many businesses do. Nothing
out of the ordinary. To be more facetious, it's simple good business practice.
Hope you find some meaning in my madness. With kind regards,
Anandajyoti http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
> >
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:00:31 PST From: "Gayatri S"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
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>> "The only cure now for the current ills
>> Is that the brilliant galaxy which fills >> The chairs of power should be required to gain
>> Transcendence with attunement of the brain..." >> (The Shape of Things To Come, 1st Edition, Gopi Krishna, p. 107)
>> >> Folks, if you don't think kundalini is dangerous, would you please
read >> that passage again? Does anybody know what the hell Gopi Krishna is
>> talking about? >
>Lucky for you I'm a skilled translator for nonsense. >
>Gopi: >"The only cure now for the current ills
>D. >(The only way to a perfect world.)
>Gopi: >Is that the brilliant galaxy which fills
>The chairs of power should be required to gain >Transcendence with attunement of the brain..."
>D. >(The rulers and people of power must be enlightened
>per requirement via some scientifically controlled and tested method.) >
>Anyway, poetry is like clouds. >Reflective clouds.
>Someone else may see it as something pinched from Star Trek 6
hello kundaliniites!!...lurker sneaking in her 2 cents here....I don't know why I'm responding...just that reading in this post triggered
something in my fingers..and bingo what do you know...my keyboard works :)
I think what Gopiji was saying is that to clean up all the mess that us
humans have made in this world, we have to release and use that radiant energy...kundalini shakti(brilliant galaxy) which rests at the base of
our spine...muladhara chakra(which fills the chairs of power) and allow it to flow up the spine towards the brain...to work with what he calls
attunement of the brain.
The chairs of power he's referring to I think = the seat of that primordial energy.
just what I think
squishy hugs,
Gayatri :)
ps I know I'm late in my reply...sowwy :(
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Poem
Title: A Visit from Outer Space Subtitle: A controlled mind is a joy forever
The Zen dogs form the Dog Star They are here and came from far
compassionate as they are they´re aiding us to drive our car
The Zen dogs have a mission here
Have fun and drink a lot of beer Compassionate they are
By aiding us at least a year
The Dog Star is so far away Some Zen dogs say: we want to stay
But Zen boss dog decides We´re out of beer and all free rides
So they leave and file report
Some natives tall but others short Their mind is dark
We were abhorred
--- My first poem in a foreign language ---
Jan Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 10:59:47 -0400
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Are there any absolutes?
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From: anandajyoti To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu"
CC: "'kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com'" Subject: Re: Bhastrika revisited
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> KK: > This reminded me that we never closed out the prior bhastrika discussion.
> Does bhastrika awaken kundalini? > Anandajyoti> Yes , it is one out of the many ,of the tools for awakening
> Kundalini.
> B. K. S. Iyengar writes in *Light on Pranayama*: > ``Many people misconceive that bhastrika pranayama awakens the kundalini
> shakti. The authoritative books have said the same regarding many > pranayamas and asanas, but this is far from true. [Looks like I'm not the
> only one who questions authority]. There is no doubt that bhastika and > kapalabhati refresh the brain and stir it to activity,
Anandajyoti> What BKS writes is true to an extent. I guess, he only practiced
or spoke with the focus on the physical effects with regard to the enhancement of the flow of prana to the brain.It appears to be contradictory, when BKS
mentions of the dangers in the same paragraph." but if people perform them because they believe they awaken the kundalini, disaster to
body, nerves and brain may result.'' He points out the factor of belief, but fails to elaborate why the disasters may result.
IMHO, the awakening of the Kundalini is not affective on the body alone. This is where, most people overlook the other factors. Kundalini also affects the
emotions, thoughts, feelings, and the way most people use the energy when so awakened, according to their personal proclivities and inclinations, for that
is the path of least resistance. For it takes effort to analyze the process, and make appropriate choices, and finally act , after much consideration, while
living in this world. Nature's way is to follow the path of least resistance. Isn't that true?
>
> > Kurt>On the other hand K. S. Joshi, student of Swami Kuvalayananda, founder
> of > the Kaivalyadharma Center wrote in *Yogic Pranayama*:
> ``... This variety of pranayam is recommended for the purpose of arousing > the kundalini quickly.''
> What to make of this. Briefly, kundalini is awakened when the sun/Surya power
> is awakened at the navel cakra. The heat is said to awaken the sleeping > serpent. So how to awaken the sun/Surya power?
Anandajyoti> I would welcome some comment on this question, "on how to awaken
this Solar power?" Why do not the Gurus or even illustrious authors on the subject spell it out?
> Kurt> Another method is apparently through simply breathing through the right
> > nostril (closing the left). The right channel (pingala) is associated with
> the sun and focusing on breathing exclusively through the right nostril. is > said to awaken the sun/Surya at the navel. Never confirmed this myself but
> have found it a number of places.
Anandajyoti> Yes this method also works, but takes months or years of regular , timely, practice.
> Kurt>
> However, if bhastrika is augmented in either of two ways: > a) by applying mula bandha (see kundalini faq, or your favorite yoga book)
> - this will unite prana (due to bhastrika) and apana (due to mula bandha) > b) (if you buy this right nostril stuff), then practicing bhastrika with
> the right nostril only or with alternation of nostrils (due to the right > channel being activated)
> Anandajyoti> Right nostril breathing energizes the left brain more so than > the right brain, so have I been taught. I would have to test it out on myself
> , from this perspective, before I can comment further on this apsect.
Anandajyoti> What kurt mentions on the root lock for the prana and apana to unite is an established experiential fact , of course through practice.
> Kurt> In K. S. Joshi's book he describes the alternation of nostrils during
> bhastrika. In many other books on pranayama the mula bandha is also > applied. So perhaps this explains the variety of views.
Anandajyoti> I was taught to do it initially through alternate nostril
breathing. I have also tried with both nostrils and now it works as fine, in comparison with alternate nostrils.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocoties.com/Athens/Forum/6782 Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:34:46 PDT
From: "Gloria Lee" To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-LATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: The Weeping Guru-Lets Party!
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>In a message dated 4/3/1998 9:10:12 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes: >
> HA! Yes, but my research further reveals an ancient Sanskrit nondual > verse whose literal translation is: "There is only one day with
nothing > happening and nobody doing anything except for the young chick with
huge > gazoombas going down on the President."
> > >>
>Harsha: Jerry! WHO is going down on WHO! Going down WHERE! WHERE Jerry! WHERE!
>And HOW! O.K. Bring out the potato salad. I have worked up an appetite.
> Harsha,
Now it sounds like *someone* found out WHERE the party is... Glo Lee
PS Have potato salad, will travel.>
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Disclaimer: not meant to be serious
Neither am I space Nor am I its form
Never created and never born
Neither am I ego Nor am I the mind
Never created and nobody's find
Neither am I the universe Nor its vast content
Neither am I inflated Nor am I intent
On having to pay its monthly rent *
Neither am I a pundit Nor one of his books
Forever joking how silly he looks All his knowledge and all his skill
Just turning the wheel without paying the bill
Jan (who at this stage is experiencing the unripe ego)
* to some finite principle of the mind with a desire to create Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 07:51:07 EDT
From: Harsha1MTM To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Harsha: She was a colleague of mine. Wonderful person. Taught English.
Encouraged me to submit my poetry to the college journal. Had her office two doors down. She had a history of cancer. One day I came back from a vacation
and heard she had died. A few months later as I passed by her office, I saw a man inside going through her stuff. I intuitively knew it was her husband. I
lingered outside for a few seconds watching him. I did not go inside and embrace him. He had never met me. I went back to my office and sat there. A
few months later, some students asked me to if I could write something in dedication. My mind went blank for a second. Yes, I said. I would. I went
back in my office and discovered the following poem I had written some years ago. It is dedicated to my colleague who has passed away and her husband.
Dedicated to all husbands who lost their wives early in life.
< YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A SPLENDID OLD LADY By Harsh (Harsha) K. Luthar
Taking a deeper than my usual sigh
I thought what poem shall I write tonight
when only your face seems in sight and all the birds have taken flight.
When emptiness invades me so
and the void fills me head to toe
then looking at the fresh grass makes me uneasy;
its not hard to see that youth and tenderness will go
like flowers blooming yesterday and hide beneath the Christmas snow.
I console myself now and then
still inconsolable I remain because your face always
so brightly lit will never be seen again
by the eyes that watch the nightly stars
to catch a glimpse of the light of love.
The leaves are dropping
early this season it seems and days from now on
will be less shady but the night will still
have its moon beams and I think you would have
made a splendid old lady.
Yes, I said it in a round about way
what I wanted to tell you all along
that I was in love with the creases around your lips
and to wrinkles under your eyes I dedicate this song.
What I cannot bring
myself to say that since the spring
of my youth has passed away
it comes to mind that I should do the very best that I can
to be a nice old gentleman and only if you could have
remained my steady hanging on my arms
you would have made a splendid old lady.
>> Copyright 1994 Harsh (Harsha) K. Luthar
Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:18:12 PDT From: "Gloria Lee"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr Subject: Re:It was ALL due to Danijel!Warning: Very Silly Content!
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>>G.Lee:
>>When they rip off "OUR" music..are they admitting we knew it ALL way >>back then?? I used to wonder how these kids became so wise.. now I see
>>they listen to our music. >
>Well... one coincidence: I was born the same year Mike Oldfield made his
>Tubular Bells. :) 1973. :) >Is it a conicidence, I wonder? ;))))))) He probably had to do it coz I
>wouldn't want to live in a world without the tubular bells on it. :))))))
Another coincidence?? that was the year they lowered the speed limit,
due to the "energy crisis"....so now we know, that was probably ALL your fault too, Dani!!!And there I was waiting in those odd-even day gas
lines in California. Could you maybe come back wanting "world peace" next time, Dani??>
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Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 09:56:39 PDT From: "Gloria Lee"
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: zen cats
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"Alaska Cats" (by Garrison Keiler)
Alaska cats don't take no crap
They don't sit in no one's lap The don't let you brush their fur
Or have cute names like Gulliver. They mumble...but seldom purr.
Well Alaska cats are three feet tall
They drink beer and play pinball You may notice when they call
They don't wash themselves at all... Just once in the Spring, once in the Fall.
Alaska cats are always dressed
In jeans and boots and outdoor vests It's not stuffed with Eiderdown...
But hair from dogs around the town--- Some black...some brown.
Once a year to hold off famine
They jump in the boats and then go for salmon And slap those big fish with their paws
Catch em, bone em, and then toss em In a pan with Catsup sauce.
Alaska cats chew catnip snoose
And spit about anywhere they choose. Free'st cat you ever saw...
They got no owners No leash law.
They laugh at pet cats...
"Ha Haw Hawwwwwl
Ha Hawww"
(end)
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