1998/04/03 13:30
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #261
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 261
Today's Topics: Doggy Kundalini [ Kathy ]
Re: This I Know [ John Halonen ] rain [ "Debora A. Orf" ]
Pir Vilayat [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" ] Hermetic Principles [ "Solar Lion" ]
Re: Pir Vilayat [ John Heaton ] RE: Harsha's comment-chat [ Kurt Keutzer ]
Re: Harsha's comment-chat [ David Bozzi ] Re: LOL [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:45:41 +0000 From: Kathy
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Doggy Kundalini
Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
Well, folks, little "Aero" came home yesterday and he is as sweet a creature as has ever existed...talk about sweet Shakti...and he is so
much better than when I picked him up (or when he drew me to him, whatever the case may have been!)...he is like a totally different
animal.
Those of you on the list who have sent your healing energy, thank you and blessings to you...your love and concern has been of great help to
Aero...
I'm waxing sentimental right now, I know...but it is just great to have friends like this list to help when it's needed. Think of Aero the pup
bouncing around my back garden and pouncing on leaves that blow by, and rolling in the grass...
Brightest Blessings again---Delirium
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:59:33 -0500 From: John Halonen
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: This I Know
Message-Id:
What we must remember is that in being these two polarities,
Balance is what makes this beautiful. Thank you (all) for all the great posts lately on everything.
My left hand is the flower, and my right is the thorn.
And there is a sun in the middle that allows this growth. I drink water to make the moon, and feel it's silver lining
pull me back into the universe.
Peace and love,
John halonen
P.S.
remember to wipe with the left hand. ;-) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:56:05 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: rain Message-ID:
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sidewalk puddle
bouncing with playful puppy raindrops.
rain of blessings
upon my head.
rain hides
tears of the one
hiding from the gunman.
washes blood off his
hands.
please be kind to
all beings....
they are only those who have been
your mother!
rain of
blessings...
rain of fears...
can you see the
truth of samsara's tears?
--janpa
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:27:09 +0530 From: "Sandeep Chatterjee"
To: Cc:
Subject: Re: Harsha's comment Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Hello Lobster
First of all cheers to you.
>Sandeep (earlier):
>You cannot insult me because I do not seek your respect in the first place. >
>Lobster: >Such an attitude is insulting to others opinions. Undervaluing their worth
>as human beings. It shows no respect to your Higher Self. It is selfish and >spiritually immature.
Sandeep: My friend when I move away from an equation of seeking respect from you, I
move away from my "image" of you to the real "you". Yes your being, your essence ,not your opinions, not your convictions, not
your beliefs but the real you. And then I find that your essence is no different to mine and then there is recognition of our sameness, not on a BS
of an Intellectual level but in the form of a communion. But for this I have to move through the cocoon that I have build up of you
and that is by dropping all expectations from you. Then Light recognises Light and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.No
respect and neither disrespect.Just recognition.
It is when I go beyond all equations with you then that I am truly valuing your worth my friend, not otherwise.
>How am I doing - feel insulted yet?
No more any interest to play these games my friend(grin).But by all means play it again Lobster as Humphrey Bogart said in Casablanca.
Sandeep (earlier) >It is when I seek, expect, something from you, then I have you made you my
>Master. Why? Because you then have the mastery , the power over me to deny >me what I seek from you. So if it is respect that I seek, then I am open to
>be insulted. >
>Lobster: >Exactly so. It is lack of self respect and sense of our innate worth that
>empowers others with this falsity. When we genuinely are self sufficient we >can come to others with real sharing amongst adults. Anyway just because
>you are so clever does not mean everyone has to be.
Ahaa, I do not know about everyone but who said you weren't?
>Sandeep (earlier): >As a closing thought, Always forgive your enemies, they can't stand it.
> >Lobster:
>Rubbish - there is nothing to forgive. An enemy is just an unrealised >friend.
Sandeep: I must have forgotten to add (grin) at the end of that sentence.Just my a
feeble attempt to lighten a (it seemed to me) a heated discusiion.
Off course I agree with you. There is no distiction between an enemy and a friend except what we choose to label.
In zikr
Sandeep
>The easily insulted Lobster (Peace be Upon Him) >
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 20:30:42 +0530 From: "Sandeep Chatterjee"
To: "Jan Barendrecht" Cc:
Subject: Re: Harsha's comment Message-ID:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01BD5F3F.5F5DC0C0"
Hello Jan,
>Just some thoughts on the dynamics of "Insulting" (grin)
>As a closing thought, Always forgive your enemies, they can't stand it.
>In zikr
>Sandeep
Welcome Sandeep,
You sure made an impressive start on the list. With your closing thought however, I get the impression, that you forgive to annoy your enemies?? Ai-ai-ai.....
Sandeep:
Jan agree with your successive comments. Just my feeble attempt to establish a fundamental law of Life which is:
Seriousness is a disease.
Cheers
Sandeep
Attachment Converted: "C:\SLIP\EUDORA\ATTACH\kundal23"
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:29:23 -0600 (CST) From: "Debora A. Orf"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: html posts
Message-ID:
Hi,
i'm on the digest version, and things get a little long when the mailers
send the messages in standard ascii, followed by everything repeated in HTML.
probably one of the few folks using a text-based mailreader (Unix PINE).
So i see all the tags.
May i ask kindly (instead of how i asked poor Jan B.) to please see if this is necessary or not when sending mail?
Thank You,
--janpa tsomo
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 10:00:54 From: Jeanne Garner
To: "Debora A. Orf" , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: html posts
Message-Id:
At 09:29 AM 4/3/98 -0600, Debora A. Orf wrote:
>i'm on the digest version, and things get a little long when the mailers
>send the messages in standard ascii, followed by everything repeated in >HTML.
> >probably one of the few folks using a text-based mailreader (Unix PINE).
>So i see all the tags. >
>May i ask kindly (instead of how i asked poor Jan B.) to please see if >this is necessary or not when sending mail?
>
Debora, I use Eudora, and my attachments directory is full of these html'ed copies of the same messages that are in my email. I suspect it could be
the "wave of the future," part of some new email protocol that isn't going to go away, alas. In my case, I can just mass-delete them from time to
time. Not sure what advice to offer to digest subscribers.
Jeanne
==-* My stars! Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 21:49:43 +0530
From: "Sandeep Chatterjee" To:
Subject: Pir Vilayat Message-ID:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01BD5F4A.698CDDA0"
Hi Lobster,
I like anecdotes because often I find they convey far more and far better than my attempts to convey in mere words. Continuing an earlier post to you......
Pir Vilayat one of the Sufi Mystics of modern era used to say this anecdote in his life
As a child of eight years old, he (Pir Vilayat) hiked up into the Himalayas
to see this holy man. The holy man looked at him and said "Why have you come all this way, to see
who you are, yourself? I am no other than you".
Pir Vilayat said that for years that haunted him-that question-because he
thought there was an answer to it.It finally dawned on him and he said," I did not know who I was until I could see it in another".
----
For years I pondered on Pir Vilayat's words and arrived at what I tried to convey to you earlier of the need to break through the usual human equations to arrive at the real "you" and "me" and then to transcend this apparent separateness.
In zikr
Sandeep
Attachment Converted: "C:\SLIP\EUDORA\ATTACH\kundal24" Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:44:02 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" To: themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: pranayama?? No KIDDING MAC??
Message-ID:
>Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 15:06:54 -0800
>From: Mark Anthony Collins >Reply-To: themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
>To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com >Subject: Re: pranayama
> >I find this quite amusing. Here many of us are debating on the
>correctness or incorrectness of a perception of Kundalini. Some are >taking it personally, some are taking the philosophical debate
>seriously. However, whatever the good intent behind the discussions, >this thread has brought to the surface some feelings of attack, or less
>than love. These feelings that tempt you to lose sight of love and peace
>are the adversary, not each other. Kundalini can not be awakened while >you are busy feeling attacked, judged, or are attacking or judging.
>Kundalini is an energy that awakens within us as we awaken to the fact >that we are all of One Spirit, One Mind, One Power. In this view,
>everyone is right, and nobody is wrong. >
> I say this to remind you of what you already know. You are all right, >and none of you are wrong. Your feelings are real, they but indicate
how >you chose to interpret certain input. So I ask you to look at how you
>interpret what has happened, and how you can choose it to mean a message
>of love, and not a message of attack or guilt. >
>For in such a choice lies the key to The Kingdom. >
>(forgive my Christian background... ;-)) >
> >
Gee.. Macman, I have a background like yours too, but I seldom mention it here.. heh heh. How OLD are you anyway??/ to be this wise..you must
be getting near senility..LOL..You, I pronounce you groovy. Glo..(seldom admitting my real age, either, but its 50, since I asked
you.)
______________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:58:37 -0800 From: "Solar Lion"
To: Subject: Hermetic Principles
Message-Id:
greetings
Points to consider in relation to the how and why
in examining K experiences.
Hermetic Principles Excerpts from the KYBALION
Teachings of HERMES TRISMEGISTUS
FOR CONSIDERATION
"The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of the understanding."
" Where fall the footsteps of the Master,
the ears of those ready for his Teaching open wide."
"When the ears of the student are ready to hear, then cometh the lips to fill them with Wisdom."
"The Principles of TRUTH are Seven; he who knows these,
understandingly, possesses the Magic Key before whose touch all the Doors of the Temple fly open."
1. The principle of mentalism
" THE ALL is MIND: The Universe is Mental."
2. The principle of correspondence "As above, so below; as below, so above."
3. The principle of vibration
"Nothing rests; everything moves; everything vibrates."
4. The principle of polarity "Everything is Dual; everything has poles;
everything has its pair of opposites; like and unlike are the same;
opposites are identical in nature, but different in degree; extremes meet;
all truths are but half truths; all paradoxes may be reconciled."
5. The principle of rhythm
"Everything flows, out and in; everything has its tides;
the pendulum-swing manifests in everything; the measure of the swing to the right
is the measure of the swing to the left; rhythm compensates."
6. The principle of cause and effect
"Every Cause has its Effect; every Effect has its Cause;
everything happens according to Law; Chance is but a name for Law not recognized;
there are many planes of causation, but nothing escapes the Law."
7. The principle of gender
"Gender is in everything; everything has its Masculine and Feminine Principles;
Gender manifests on all planes,"
MENTAL TRANSMUTATION "Mind (as well as metals and elements) may be transmuted,
from state to state; degree to degree; condition to condition; pole to pole;
vibration to vibration.
True Hermetic Transmution is a Mental Art."
THE ALL "Under, and back of, the Universe of Time, Space and change,
is ever to be found The Substantial Reality - the Fundamental Truth."
"THAT which is the Fundamental Truth -
the Substantial Reality - is beyond true naming, but the Wise Men call it THE ALL."
"In its Essence, THE ALL is UNKNOWABLE."
"But the report of Reason must be hospitably received,
and treated with respect."
THE MENTAL UNIVERSE "The Universe is Mental - held in the Mind of THE ALL."
"THE ALL creates in its Infinite Mind countless Universes,
which exist for aeons of Time - and yet, to THE ALL, the creation, development, decline and death of a
million Universes is as the time of the twinkling of an eye."
"The Infinite Mind of THE ALL is the womb of Universes."
"Within the Father-Mother Mind, mortal children are at home."
"There is not one who is Fatherless, nor Motherless in the Universe."
THE DEVINE PARADOX
"The half-wise, recognizing the comparative unreality of the Universe, imagine that they may defy its Laws
- such are vain and presumptuous fools, and they are broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements
by reason of their folly. The truly wise, knowing the nature of the Universe, use Law against laws;
the higher against the lower; and by the Art of Alchemy transmute that which is
undesirable into that which is worthy, and thus triumph. Mastery consists not in abnormal dreams,
visions and fantastic imaginings or living, but in using the higher higher forces against the lower
- escaping the pains of the lower planes by vibrating on the higher. Transmution, not presumptuous denial,
is the weapon of the Master."
"The ALL" in ALL "While All is in THE ALL,
it is equally true that THE ALL is in all. To him who understands this truth hath come great knowledge."
The Planes of Correspondence
"As above, so below; as below, so above."
Kybalion: a Study of the Hermetic Philosophy of
Ancient Egypt and Greece by: The Three Initiates
Hardcover
Published by Devorss & Co ISBN: 0911662251
Solar Lion (Bob)
------------------------------------------------- Gateway to Awareness, Inc
http://www.lanset.com/gta/default.html Metaphysics-Guided Meditation-Energy Work
ICQ uin: 2742596 Emerging Awareness powwow solarlionATnospamyahoo.com
direct: solarlionATnospamlanset.com
E-mail Group - The Cobalt Blue Egg http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/cobalt_blue_egg
"Ye Old Metaphysical Book Shoppe"
Online source for Metaphysical Books http://www.lanset.com/gta/frame.html
------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 11:31:49 -0600
From: John Heaton To: Sandeep Chatterjee
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Pir Vilayat
Message-ID:
Sandeep Chatterjee wrote: >
> Hi Lobster, >
> I like anecdotes because often I find they convey far more and far > better than my attempts to convey in mere words. Continuing an earlier
> post to you...... >
> > Pir Vilayat one of the Sufi Mystics of modern era used to say this
> anecdote > in his life
> > As a child of eight years old, he (Pir Vilayat) hiked up into the
> Himalayas > to see this holy man.
> The holy man looked at him and said "Why have you come all this way, > to see
> who you are, yourself? > I am no other than you".
> > Pir Vilayat said that for years that haunted him-that question-because
> he > thought there was an answer to it.It finally dawned on him and he
> said," I > did not know who I was until I could see it in another".
> > ----
> > For years I pondered on Pir Vilayat's words and arrived at what I
> tried to convey to you earlier of the need to break through the usual > human equations to arrive at the real "you" and "me" and then to
> transcend this apparent separateness. >
> >
> In zikr >
> > Sandeep
John:
I sought my soul But my soul I could not see.
I sought my God But my God eluded me.
I sought my brother And I found all three.
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:59:09 PST From: "Gloria Lee"
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The Weeping Guru-Lets Party! Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain
>Harsh Luthar wrote: >>
>> Jerry Katz wrote: >>
>>far more >> > than 99.9% of the people on this path are camping out somewhere in
the >> > wilderness between Oz and the Emerald City.
>> Harsha: >> And what about all those poor people camping out? Can they at least
party while >> the Guru is weeping:-).
> >
>Jerry: >
>Dear Harsha, find out who wants to party. WHO wants to party, Harsha, >WHO?
> >Because I need to know how much potato salad to make.
>GLO lee; Are we NOT back in Kansas YET???
OK, I'll help with the potato salad in the meantime. But just WHERE is this party now??
>> >___
>Nondualism of Umba Da Standing Free >"There is only one day with nothing happening and nobody doing
>anything."
> >DEar Jerry,
Sounds like you may have made a random visit to drop in our Congress ...just any old day will do for that.
> >
______________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 10:41:39 -0800 From: Kurt Keutzer
To: "'Sandeep Chatterjee'" , "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
Cc: "'keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu'" Subject: RE: Harsha's comment-chat
Message-ID:
Sandeep said:
You cannot insult me because I do not seek your respect in the first = place.
It is when I seek, expect, something from you, then I have you made you =
my Master. Why? Because you then have the mastery , the power over me to =
deny me what I seek from you. So if it is respect that I seek, then I am open =
to be insulted.
Kurt replies:
Personally I have found more value in acknowledging that I have
expectations from almost everyone I encounter and I seek the respect of people I don't even know. Acknowledging this means that I am less likely to
repress these feelings and have them manifest unconsciously. Yes, I am already open to be insulted. So if I feel insulted often enough then I
speak up for myself. It's not meant to be a sweeping invalidation of anyone else; it's mean to be a ``hey that hurts, cut it out''. Some people will be
aware enough to point out the particular defect in me (there's sure to be one) that's responsible for my feeling insulted. This will be painful, but
there has to be some vulnerability there. Maybe that's what you're trying to do. Some people will be kind enough to just try to soothe the sense of
insult. A really skillful person might do both. In short, while my ego just loves to believe that I am above all this stuff, my heart knows the truth
and pretending differently will only cause more problems.
Sandeep:
So if I have a stake in my beliefs, in my convictions, in my "insights", = in
my "revelations from my meditations" and thus want to shout from the = roof
tops looking for lost souls to "convert", then I open to the possibility that someone will come up and call me an AssH..
Kurt replies:
Well I don't spend much time talking about my revelations or converting souls but regarding a stake in my beliefs -
you're absolutely right. I'll confess right here to everyone that I have a real defect in that I think I know something. The AssH methaphor is
actually very apt, like many of these traditional images. It's apt because it gives the impression of tightness. You are attached to the notion that
you know something and you get tight - this tightness restricts the heart, increases the self-grasping and even pinches the sushumna. It's a BIG
problem. I apologize to each and every one of you. I would like to find a way to be a clear conduit for all the wonderful teachings on kundalini I've
received in over 26 years from so many skilled masters but I'm a noisy channel. I produce some static. I'm, sorry. I'm really working on it. I
would encourage you to try to listen beyond my static to see if there is some music there - but that's up to you. Maybe from your (the reader's)
perspective the static is just too much to bear. That's a shame.
Kind Regards, Kurt
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:43:08 -0500 From: Harsh Luthar
To: Sandeep Chatterjee CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: KL : EGO Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sandeep Chatterjee wrote:
> One has not to fall into the whirl of calming the mind
> That in itself is the restlessness > The mind is what it is, accept it as such
> This acceptance brings peace. >
> Rejection is restlessness, acceptance is peace- and he who reaches > total
> acceptance "attains" >
> Acceptance cannot come from an act of will. > "I accept" conceals non-acceptance
> because will is always of the ego. > Ego cannot live unless fed by rejection.
> Acceptance can never be brought about by action, > only understanding life can bring it about.
Harsha: Beautiful thoughts Sandeep. Acceptance comes from surrender.
Surrender is made possible through Divine Grace. Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 14:48:01 -0500
From: David Bozzi To: Kundalini
Subject: Re: Harsha's comment-chat Message-ID:
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> Personally I have found more value in acknowledging that I have
> expectations from almost everyone I encounter and I seek the respect of > people I don't even know.
If one has expectations you are right it is best to acknowledge them.There is
even more value in recognizing the misery this brings. Then one might discover a real type of respect that doesn't shatter with
the slightest breeze.
> Some people will be > aware enough to point out the particular defect in me (there's sure to be
> one) that's responsible for my feeling insulted.
You seek respect from the wrong source.
> This will be painful,
There. Was that painful?
> Some people will be kind enough to just try to soothe the sense of > insult.
That is merely hiding the wound. Healing requires we bring it out into the
light.
> my heart knows the truth > and pretending differently will only cause more problems.
Stay with that.
> try to listen beyond my static to see if there is
> some music there - but that's up to you.
Are you listening beyond the static?No one else can do that for you.
Sincerely, David
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:09:15 -0600 From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: LOL
Message-Id:
On another list I'm on, there were alternative explanations for these:
LOL= Lovin' On Lassie
warpedly,
amckeon
DISCLAIMER!
Home | Archive Index | Search the archives | Subscribe
K. List FAQ | Kundalini FAQs | Signs and Symptoms | Awakening Experiences | K. list Polls | Member Essays | Meditations | List Topics | Art Gallery | Cybrary | Sitemap | Email the moderators.
symbol.