1998/04/03 07:44
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #260
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 260
Today's Topics: Some Gems I have collected in Life [ "Sandeep Chatterjee" ]
Re: Re:Poem "LOST" [ "Ed" ] Re: Harsha's comment [ "Ed" ]
RE: Harsha's comment [ "Jan Barendrecht" ] Re: The Weeping Guru-Lets Party! [ Jerry Katz ]
re: KL : EGO [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ] Jonn Mumford's books [ Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserv ]
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 14:57:49 +0530 From: "Sandeep Chatterjee"
To: Subject: Some Gems I have collected in Life
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Hi everybody,
I have stumbled many times in Life and still keep doing. These Gems helped me to get up everytime. May I share them with you all. Do let me know what you felt like.
In zikr
Sandeep
Excuse me" said the an ocean Fish "You are older than I so can you tell me where to find this thing called
the Ocean?" "The Ocean" said the older fish "is the thing you are in now"
"Oh this ? But this water. What I'm seeking is the Ocean." Said the disappointed fish as he swam away to search elsewhere.
He came to the Master in sannyasi robes. He spoke sannyasi language: 'For years I have been seeking God. I have sought Him everywhere that He is said
to be: on mountain peaks, the vastness of the desert, the silence of the cloister and the dwellings of the poor'
"Have you found him" the Master asked
"No. I have not. Have you?
What could the Master say? The evening sun was sending shafts of golden
light into the room. Hundreds of sparrows were twittering on a banyan tree. In the distance one could hear the sound of the highway traffic. A mosquito
droned a warning that it was going to strike.... And yet this man could sit there and say he had not found Him.
After a while he left disappointed, to search elsewhere.
Stop searching, little fish. There i'snt anything to look for.
All you have to do is look.
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Said the monk, "All these mountains and rivers and earth and stars-where do they come from?"
Said the Master, "Where does your question come from ?"
Search within not without.
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Diogenes the Greek mystic was dining on bread and lentils. He was seen by the philosopher Aristippus who lived in considerable comfort by fawning on
the king.
Said Aristippus." Learn subservience to the king and you will not live on lentils"
Said Diogenes ,"Learn to live on lentils and you will not have to cultivate
the king."
--------------------------- A village girl became an unwed mother and after several beatings revealed
the father was the Zen Master living on the outskirts of the village. The villagers angrily trooped to the Master's house rudely disturbed his
meditation, beat him up, denounced him as a hypocrite and told him to keep the baby.
All the Master said was," Is that so".
He picked up the baby, made arrangements with the woman next door to look after the baby at his expense.
His name was of course ruined and all his disciples abandoned him.
After a year, the girl could not bear the lie any longer, broke down and confessed that the father was the boy next door.
The villagers trooped to the Master, bowed profoundly to beg his pardon and
asked to take the baby back. All the Master said as he handed back the child was, "Is that so "
The Awakened Man!
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A fisher man and his wife got a son after many years of marriage. The boy was his parent's joy and pride. Then one day the boy fell ill and even
though a fortune was spent on medicines and treatment the boy died. The mother was heart-broken. There were no tears in the father's eyes.
On being reproached by his wife for his lack of sorrow he replied," Last night I saw a dream that I was a king and father of 8 sturdy sons. Then you
woke me up. Now I am greatly puzzled. Should I weep for those boys or for this one?"
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The normally very voluble Master one morning awakens and goes into silence. This unusual
behavior and anguished expression on his face prompts his disciples to enquire the reason.
Said the Master," Last night I had a dream that I had become a butterfly,
flitting from one flower to another basking in the sun and flying with the wind."
Asked the puzzled disciple," So why the anguished silence?"
Replies the Master, "If my dream of being a butterfly seemed so real, then
why is it not possible that right now it is the butterfly dreaming that it has become a Master. And if I am just a dream of a butterfly, the end of
whom is in the awakening of the butterfly then all that I have been teaching you to be kind, to be compassionate, to be just, to learn the
scriptures.... All have no meaning. The truth lies with that which remains as constant whether in a dream or in
awakening. To seek that is the Way. Rest is for the fools."
Oh you who so much are bothered with the affairs of this world ,with the issues of this life, with the pursuit of joy and avoidance of sorrow, is
the world real or a dream of a butterfly? -----------------------------------------------
A salt doll journeyed for thousand of miles and stopped at the edge of the
sea. It was fascinated by this moving liquid mass, so unlike anything it had
seen before. "What are you" asked the salt doll.
"Come in and see" replied the sea with a smile. So the salt doll waded in. The further it went, the more it dissolved till
there was only a pinch of it left. Before the last bit dissolved the doll exclaimed in wonder, "Now I know what I am ".
Dissolve your ego( which is nothing but your 'values', your education, your
'shoulds' and your 'should nots', your scriptures, your morality, your so called religion ,your seeking of pleasure and avoidance of sorrow, your
planning for the future, your running to reach somewhere) and discover your essence which was all ways there, which is all that you
truly ever have. -------------------------------------------
A crow once flew into the sky with a piece of meat in its beak. Twenty
other crows set out in hot pursuit and began to attach it viciously. When the crow finally dropped the meat, its pursuers left it alone and flew
off shrieking after the morsel. Said the crow, "I've lost the meat and gained the peaceful sky"
Said the Master," When my house burnt down I got the moon at night"
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When the sannaysi reached the outskirts of the village and settled under a tree for the night, a villager came running up to him a shouted "the stone!
the stone! Give me the precious stone!"
"What stone?" asked the sannyasi. "Last night Lord Shiva appeared in my dream that if I went to the outskirts
of the village a sannyasi who would have just come would give me a stone which would forever make me rich."
The sannyasi rummaged his bag and pulling out a stone said," He probably
meant this one. I found it in the forest yesterday. Here it is yours if you want it."
The man gazed at the stone in wonder. It was the largest diamond in the
world.
All night the man tossed about in his bed. At dawn he ran to the sannyasi and woke him
and said, "Give me the wealth that makes it possible for you to give away this stone."
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Two Buddhist monks on their way to the monastery, found an exceedingly beautiful woman at the river bank. Like them she also wanted to cross the
river but the water was too high.So one of them took her across the river on his shoulders.
The other was thoroughly scandalized. For two hours he berated the other
for his breach of the Rule. Had he forgotten he was a monk? How dare he touch the women. Did he not remember he was a monk? And worse carry over
the river? And what would people say? Had he not disgraced their Holy Religion? Etc etc.
At the end of the lecture the first monk replies, "Brother, I dropped that
woman at the river side. Are you still carrying her?"
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Hi Sandeep!
At 10:15 1998.04.03 +0530, you wrote: > Hi everybody,
> >A very good friend of mine from another List invited to come over here and
>may I extend a warm heart to you all. A word that Society uses to >differentiate me from another is Sandeep.
I've read your posts. I feel it is a great honor to have you with us.
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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:36:12 -0800 From: "Ed"
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> On a similar situation ... I was in an art gallery once and came into a > room where Francis Bacon's paintings were displayed. They overwhelmed me
> instantly and I had to leave the room. Can I say that it was bad energy? > Well, it felt that way! What is the energy in a painting called?
> Thanks, K-Group! > --Liz
Hi Liz,
Part of the reason some extol the virtues of being loving and kind is because some people are EXTREMELY sensitive to a whole variety of inputs.
They will pick up on the emotions and thoughts of the original painter or emailer. We all seem to have this sensitivity but for various reasons it
may develop more in those undergoing transitional awareness states (or mental breakdowns). It is also developed in those advancing along the path.
You should honour such feelings, they are genuine *but* the mark of those with real attainment is their ability to acknowledge such impressions and
yet be unaffected by good or bad feelings. To be objective.
POWER to you The highly insensitive (thank goodness for the shell)
Lobster Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:12:27 -0800
From: "Ed" To: "Sandeep Chatterjee" ,
Subject: Re: Re:Poem "LOST"
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Sandeep: May I try to give back to you some of what you gave me?
Non-attachment is not concerned with things
but with thoughts Non-attachment is not related to the outside
but to the within Non-attachment is not to do with the world
but with oneself
Lobster: I am attached to my thoughts (I think)
Eveything without is within I am the world
The worldly Lobster
PS. Nice story similar to a Zen tale of Monks carrying damsels across a stream . . .
--------------- One day a beggar went to see a Sufi fakir and found him seated on velvet
cushion inside a beautiful tent with it's ropes tied to golden pegs in the ground.
Seeing all this the beggar cried:What is all this! I have heard so much about you and your spirituality and non-attachment but
I am completely disillusioned by all this ostentation around you. The fakir laughed and immediately jumped up and said Let's go and walked
off with the beggar not even waiting to put on his sandals. After a while the beggar was distressed.
"I left my begging bowl in your tent. What shall I do without it? Please wait while I go back and fetch it."
The Sufi roared in laughter. My friend said he," the gold pegs of my tent were stuck in the earth, not in my heart;
but your begging bowl is still chasing you."
To be in the world is not attachment The presence of the world in the mind is the attachment
and when the world disappears from the mind- this is non-attachment.
In zikr
Sandeep ______________________
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:05:38 -0800 From: "Ed"
To: "Sandeep Chatterjee" ,
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In the Name of Allah (the totally useless concept for weak minds)
Sandeep:
You cannot insult me because I do not seek your respect in the first place.
Lobster: Such an attitude is insulting to others opinions. Undervaluing their worth
as human beings. It shows no respect to your Higher Self. It is selfish and spiritually immature.
How am I doing - feel insulted yet?
Sandeep: It is when I seek, expect, something from you, then I have you made you my
Master. Why? Because you then have the mastery , the power over me to deny me what I seek from you. So if it is respect that I seek, then I am open to
be insulted.
Lobster: Exactly so. It is lack of self respect and sense of our innate worth that
empowers others with this falsity. When we genuinely are self sufficient we can come to others with real sharing amongst adults. Anyway just because
you are so clever does not mean everyone has to be.
Sandeep:
So if I have a stake in my beliefs, in my convictions, in my "insights", in my "revelations from my meditations" and thus want to shout from the roof
tops looking for lost souls to "convert", then I open to the possibility that someone will come up and call me an AssH..
Lobster:
Why should anyone wish to point out the obvious? We are all on some level "nether orifices" (assholes).
Sandeep: As a closing thought, Always forgive your enemies, they can't stand it.
Lobster:
Rubbish - there is nothing to forgive. An enemy is just an unrealised friend.
The easily insulted Lobster (Peace be Upon Him) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 13:56:58 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" To:
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>Sandeep Chatterjee [mailto:sandeepcATnospambom3.vsnl.net.in] wrote Friday,
April 03, 1998 5:45 AM
>Just some thoughts on the dynamics of "Insulting" (grin)
>As a closing thought, Always forgive your enemies, they can't stand
it.
>In zikr
>Sandeep
Welcome Sandeep,
You sure made an impressive start on the list. With your closing thought however, I get the impression, that you forgive to annoy your enemies??
Ai-ai-ai.....
What is there to forgive, if one doesn´t have the least sense of being insulted etc.? Never blame anyone - it has its advantages.
In case of an emergency, you leave without "unfinished business".
Without blaming, there is no need to forgive - it is even impossible.
For those who (simplistically) still think the mind/brain is a computer, it saves processing power, memory and the error message: "processor
overheating". It leaves more resources for "right action"
It saves your loved ones the thrashing of bad temper and the chain of bad temper it will cause on them with all its consequences.
Males only: adrenaline-rush that isn´t followed by physical exercise is
very unhealthy (Many men still know this instinctively: just for the exercise, they start fighting immediately).
The never blaming,
Jan (translation of name in English would be John)
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Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:14:41 -0400 From: "Orea de Sa' Hana"
To: Sandeep Chatterjee , kl List
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You make good sense, Sandeep.
Blessings and welcome,
Orea
Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 09:43:28 -0800 From: Jerry Katz
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Harsh Luthar wrote:
> > Jerry Katz wrote:
> > > >For in another version there is a single path: with one eye the Guru is
> > winking, with the other eye the Guru is prescribing, and far, far more > > than 99.9% of the people on this path are camping out somewhere in the
> > wilderness between Oz and the Emerald City. > >
> > Harsha: Yes Jerry. Particularly if dust gets into one of the Guru's eyes. Oh my!
> The dilemma of a teary eyed Guru. How shall he wink! What shall he prescribe! > And what about all those poor people camping out? Can they at least party while
> the Guru is weeping:-).
Jerry:
Dear Harsha, find out who wants to party. WHO wants to party, Harsha,
WHO?
Because I need to know how much potato salad to make.
___ Nondualism of Umba Da Standing Free
"There is only one day with nothing happening and nobody doing anything."
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:21:35 -0600 (CST)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.) To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: KL : EGO Message-Id:
I've been feeling sorta formless and lost lately and your image of the
hollow flute made my day. Thanks! and welcome to the list, Holly Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 09:36:50 -0500
From: Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Hi,
I'm considering buying some of Jonn Mumford's books - e.g. "A Chakra and Yantra(?) workbook". I'd like to know if others have read these books, and
whether the exercises presented are comprehensive. I'd also like to know if there are other similar works that contain numerous directed kundalini / chakra
exercises that I can pick and choose from. If you can provide me with a publisher, name and title, and if poss the publishers' websites, I'd be most
grateful.
Thanx, Tom
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