1998/03/31 11:23
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #250
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 250
Today's Topics:
Re: After Death Communications [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Kundalini/Astrology Research [ "Charles Attfield" <attfieldATnospamtnet.c ]
Re: GOD THE TORTURER [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Switching providers.. [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: pranayama [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: GOD THE TORTURER [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: "Take heed that no one deceives [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
re: god the torturer [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
shakti poll [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Shakti poll [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Kundalini/Astrology Research [ Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.co ]
Re: After Death Communications [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: Dangers of kundalini awakening [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: After Death Communications [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: After Death Communications [ stuartf <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com> ]
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:22:21
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: After Death Communications
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At 00:22 31/03/98 EST, MMeyers541 wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>My mother died on 2/23. I spent the last minutes of her life holding her
>hand, telling her I loved her, and that we'd both be OK.
My sympathies with your grief. Losing one's Mother is a big life
transition, and it can be very hard. I am blessed to still have mine, tho
she is in another city.
> I WAS actually thinking how much I missed my
>mom & that she was the only one who had ever loved me unconditionally. I was
>lying on my side. Just then, SHE pulled the covers up over me. I did not
see
>her, but there is no mistake about it, she pulled the covers several inches
>over me! This time, I jumped right out of bed. Again, I said that I was OK,
>she was too, & told her to "Go back."
You argue with miracles. Think of those who ache to have those for whom
they are grieving, still nevertheless there with them to comfort them. To
tuck them in.. what gesture is more associated with maternal love? This is
a huge blessing, Melissa.
>
>Well, it's nice to be assured of your mother's love, but I don't think it's
>good for either one of us if she keeps visiting. Any suggestions as to how I
>might deal with this? Thx--Michele
How about, stop telling her what to do? How about not rejecting her
prescence, but instead finding out what she wants? Maternal love is a force
that ought not to be argued with, methinks.. it has it's own wisdom. Listen
to it.
If she has already gone into the light she may choose to come back as a
spirit guide. Communing with one's ancestors has a long shamanic tradition.
But she needs to go into the light to get the big picture if she wants to
be an effective guide. That's what I told Lady Di and off she went.. came
back to say "thanks, I'll be around", the next day. didn't expect it to be
so quick, but I am in space-time...
>P.S. Think I'll go for to the grief counseling offered by the hospice, but
>any ideas of what else I might say to my mother?
I think, Melissa, the grief counselling is an excellent idea. I suspect
you were so focused on easing your Mother's transition, you have numbed
yourself to your own. Very spiritual folks have a tendency to do that..
Your Mom sees grief inside of you, that you have not unclenched enough
yet, to feel. Let her help you with your transition, too.. it is her turn
to do that, again. Honor the love that reaches beyond the illusion of death.
Tell her you love her. Tell her thankyou for being with you now.
Your fears are from a desire to control.. that time is past, now. I am
sorry, but it is past time for that and you are still trying to be strong
for her.... You don't need to be brave for her anymore. You did that, you
did it really really well. I honor your courage, your spirit, and the
unconditional love you have shown.
You know, that your Mother and doubtless many others are eternally
grateful to your comfort and leadership. Me too, I will have to face it one
day.. hopefully not soon.. we all must. We hope to do it with grace. You
have. You give me an example to follow.
But now it is time for you to be selfish. Now it is time to allow
yourself to be the crying child curled up in bed that is hurting from the
loss of Mother. There is no shame in it. Allow her one last gift, to
comfort you as only she can.
Even the brightest Yogis have wept from the pain of grief, even to the
point of resurrecting those passed on, if they had the power. They did not
allow nature's course gracefully, as you have done. Accept that a Mother's
love for her children, is a part of nature, too. Do not doubt that Goddess
is giving you exactly what you need. Blessed be.
Love, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:57:52
From: "Charles Attfield" <attfieldATnospamtnet.com.au> (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini/Astrology Research
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Dear Group,
Sorry for taking so long to get back to you with an update on the research
I have been doing into astrological correspondences and the kundalini. I
seem to have been so busy with a million and one things that the research
has been very slow.
I honestly can't say that any progressions or transits stand out as being
likely to indicate kundalini activity in anyone that is susceptible. I have
been working with 15 people and its a case of virtually anything goes. Of
course 15 is not many but I can only work with what I have. The clues are
likely to be more subtle, so I've got a fair amount of work to do yet.
Looking at general trends in all 15 charts the strongest trends are for
planets to be placed in Leo and Libra with the least number of planets
placed in Pisces. The strongest houses are the fourth, fifth and ninth,
with the weakest being the first and eighth. In fact the eighth being the
weakest is a surprise. Using Vedic astrology the strongest emphasis is for
planets placed in the fourth house and the weakest being the first house.
(27 as opposed to 6, using 14 charts).
Looking at the time of the first significant kundalini arousal, and only
looking at orbs within 1°, the progressions from the Moon, Mars and the
Ascendant were strongest while progressions to Jupiter and Saturn were
strongest and progressions to Ascendant and Sun were weakest. Again another
surprise was that there were no progressions from Uranus and only one each
from Neptune and Pluto.
Transits from Neptune were the strongest followed by Pluto and Uranus. I
had no transits at all from Uranus to Uranus so I cannot confirm Barbara
Hand Clow's Uranus opposition Uranus as being important. I had one transit
from Chiron to Chiron and that was a trine.
I have also looked at Solar Arc Progressions as well as converse transits
and progressions, but nothing worth writing home about at this stage.
I have also made a start looking at the charts of 11 Masters and Gurus and
the pattern shown in birth charts is markedly different from those on the
Kundalini list. For example there is a very strong emphasis on planets
placed in the first house (personal) and a very weak emphasis on planets
placed in the sixth house (work, service and health), 26 planets as opposed
to 3. Certainly not a pattern one would expect to find in the charts of
people dedicated to the service of mankind. However, if you accept that
enlightened beings have gone beyond attachment to the earth plane then they
may be well beyond the influences of the houses in the chart as these
require an earth centred perspective. It may even make more sense to look
at planetary placements in signs using the sidereal zodiac as, unlike the
tropical zodiac it uses the constellations rather than the signs and thus
not subject to precession of the equinoxes.
In light and love
Chas
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:56:56
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: john light <ozgpATnospamyahoo.com>
Cc: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: GOD THE TORTURER
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Dear Kundalini people:
A cry for help. Here is where the purpose comes.. wherever two or more
are gathered, there is a promise of miracles, and we are 370+. Can we lift
John's suffering? I think we can. I think he is here to give us an
opportunity to do just that.
What do you think, John? We are having experieces of light and bliss, and
you are suffering. I think we can share some of it with you, it is ideally
limitless.. notoriously contagious, and I don't think you even need to
believe that we can, you just have to be wiling to give up your hate for
half an hour to open up to our light. Find some neutrality and be open.
I understand how you might not want to get your hopes up, and then be
disappointed if nothing changes. So you don't have to believe in us.. just
be open to the possibility of change. Remember the ideals of diety you once
held, before harsh experience changed your opinions.
You hear us speak of That, and I suspect a motive for posting was a
thread of hope inside of you, from the many stories of Enlightened beings
being able to smoothe the process of K., that mebbie we can help.. well,
mebbie we can..
Dunno if we have any fully enlightened beings on the list, don't feel
qualified to judge.. but we do have possibly one of the largest
collections of awakened beings on/of the planet, here in
cyber.spirit.space, paying attention to your plight. That oughta count for
something..:)
It is stronger if you consent to it.. please let us know..
Blessings, Mystress.
At 22:30 30/03/98 -0800, john light wrote:
>Dear Kundalini People:
>
I used to believe in a heavenly father
>before my awakening. Now I believe in a heavenly sadistic torturer who
>seems to take delight in hurting innocent people. Instead of love, I
>am learning to hate. I do not know how much more I can take of this! I
>hate it!<...> I see no God. I hear no God. All
>I experience is pain and suffering from this relentless energy that
>rips my insides to shreds! God? What God?
>Kundalini is surely a tool of satan himself!
>
>JL
>_______________________
>
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 05:12:33
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: (Recipient list suppressed)
Subject: Switching providers..
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Hiya:
Thought I'd let you know that at some point in the next day or three, I
am moving my domain, domin8rex.com to another provider.. and so my email
and website will be down for a bit.. dunno yet exactly when or for how
long.. not more than a day or so, I'd guess.. my site address and email
will not change..this is the benefit of having a domain.
Thankyou and blessings, Mystress.
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 02:29:30 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: stuartf <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: pranayama
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on 30 Mar 98, stuartf wrote...
>Take a broader look at life. There are many people drawn to spiritual
practices of
>all kinds. There will always be unbalanced and more balanced people within
these
>groups. For that matter, this goes on all over the world outside of spiritual
>practices as well. Skarmas act either way.
>As far as warnings of any sort about the dangers of opening psychic areas one
is not
>able to handle. Sometimes you just have to jump into "hell" to get a little
>perspective. There really is no way to avoid the ugly stuff. People who try
are
>only fooling themselves and perhaps it is because their souls are just not
ready for
>that yet. This may sound cliche and even induce nausea but the road to the
summit is
>fraught with many dangers.
>
>Namaste,
>Stuart
Good luck with your jumping into hell perspective. Will try and broaden my
perspective as you suggest.
The unready soul
of Lobster :-)
PS will possibly be offline for a few days - changing ISP
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 97 02:50:43 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: john light <ozgpATnospamyahoo.com>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: GOD THE TORTURER
Message-Id: <970331025043.n0003438.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 30 Mar 98, john light wrote...
>Dear Kurt and Kundalini people:
>
>I have been watching this list for some time and I feel
>that it is time to speak my mind. I feel that a kundalini awakening
>can be very dangerous to certain people. It has been to me! Ever since
>my awakening started I have felt tortured! Ripped and burned and
>pulled and prodded. Most of the time my flesh feels as if it is on
>fire! My forehead and chest feel as if someone is hitting them with a
>hammer relentlessly! There are no angels to help me! Only this
>neverending torture. I have reached the point where I feel that I
>cannot take it anymore. I have even wondered if going on some sort of
>drugs may be a better way out! I used to believe in a heavenly father
>but now I believe in a heavenly sadistic torturer who seems to take
>great delight in the sufferings of poor innocent children like myself!
> Instead of love, I am learning to hate.
>So you see, my friends, Kundalini can be dangerous to your health.
>
>jl
>There are never any answers. Only more and more pain!
>some very dangerous
That's a good one. God the torturer? Well I am sorry you are in pain. You could
try bugle weed, Qi-Ong or Tai Chi. Yoga would also help with this blockage or
acupuncture perhaps. You have to find your own solution.
However thinking God is a torturer is as innane as thinking God is Love when we
are in ecstasy.
People will be so kind as to send you healing and your pain will be relieved.
I recently mentioned that I was having problems with my liver (so a rumour
appeared on the forum saying that our Illustrious Angelique Serpent was causing
my demise through her nefarious activities - silly!)
The truth is it was not Angelique and it was not God the torturer, it was me. I
have had to put considerable effort into working on this problem and it is being
cured. It has a great lesson for me - I won't bother you with the personal
details. It was my pain. Me that caused it. And God (the torturer) willing I
will cure it.
God the torturer indeed? Dangers of kundalini? Watch out your chest and head may
get hammered? Come on now - WHY? Why would your body be working against you?
What is really going on? Who is causing this - it sure ain't God.
Why have you not asked for healing? Are you so pig headed? Get it off your chest
- let's hear it . . .
Lobster hammering it home
"Confession only under duress"
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:05:50 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: DonBBenson <DonBBensonATnospamaol.com>, anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: "Take heed that no one deceives you" (Mt 24:4).
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>Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:29:45 -0800
>From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
<cut>
>Viki Richins wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends...
>>
>> I am sending this along just in case. Our office in Coeur d'Alene
>> received it from Microsoft and while it may be a hoax, I'll error on the
>> side of caution.
>>
<cut>
At 09:42 1998.03.31 EST, DonBBenson wrote:
>My Lord Jesus said there would be days like this.
>
>He said, "watch therefore" and "be ready" (Matthew 24:42, 44).
>
>That's what I'm about at <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/CRCollege/">
>Crossroads College Home Page</A>
>and <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/CRCrier/">Crossroads Crier Home Page</A>
>You are cordially invited to visit.
>
>Sincerely, Don Benson
If these stupid spam cc messages continue, I'll start sending win95
uncompressed to the people responsible, starting with the next one that
includes me on the cc. :) I'm serious, no more of that crap. Stop that
nonsense now. And DON'T respond to this message! And you, Anandayjoti,
should know better than to spread idiotic hoaxes around the net in the
first place!
Sorry to all the folks on the K-l, but I think most of your names were
included on that IDIOTIC message! STUPID!!! You can't get a damn computer
virus in a plain text file, you folks plant that piece of knowledge in your
heads once & for all! And NEVER send a cc message with so many names.
NEVER! You can't stop that thing once it gets started, it is like a mailing
list you can't unsubscribe from!
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E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:14:46 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, ozgpATnospamyahoo.com
Subject: re: god the torturer
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:05:28 -0800 (PST)
From: john light <ozgpATnospamyahoo.com>
To: m <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: GOD THE TORTURER
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Dear Kurt and Kundalini people:
I have been watching this list for some time and I feel
that it is time to speak my mind. I feel that a kundalini awakening
can be very dangerous to certain people. It has been to me! Ever since
my awakening started I have felt tortured! Ripped and burned and
pulled and prodded. Most of the time my flesh feels as if it is on
fire! My forehead and chest feel as if someone is hitting them with a
hammer relentlessly! There are no angels to help me! Only this
neverending torture. I have reached the point where I feel that I
cannot take it anymore. I have even wondered if going on some sort of
drugs may be a better way out! I used to believe in a heavenly father
but now I believe in a heavenly sadistic torturer who seems to take
great delight in the sufferings of poor innocent children like myself!
Instead of love, I am learning to hate.
So you see, my friends, Kundalini can be dangerous to your health.
jl
janpa writes> jl breathe! relax. "Breathing in i calm my body, breathing
out i smile" "Breathing in i calm my body, breathing out i smile"
"Breathing in i calm my body, breathing out i smile".
hatred is a form of fear nothing more. simply scared! Find Mystress's
grounding exercise and let the energy connect with a healthy source below
and above.
in the center of every hurricane is a calm eye where the sun shines warm
and the breezes cool. You're off in the storm a little bit so come back to
center. Nice baby noon-sun, cooling breezes. Just enough warm, just
enough cool.
"Breathing in i calm my body, breathing out i smile"
dont be afraid. god loves you. what do you have to fear?
maitri (lovingkindness)
--janpa
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:33:32 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: shakti poll
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From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com'" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Shakti poll
Message-ID: <01BD5C10.229B30F0.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To get things started:
``who have you *met* that has the most shakti''
HH Dalai Lama
Lama Zopa Rinpoche
Swami Chatananda
Yoshida Sensei
my friend Abe
``who have you *met* that has the sweetest shakti''
Ven. Khenpo Gyurmed Trinley
``who have you *met*, that wasn't a spiritual practitioner, that has the
most shakti''
never thought of it in that way....now i will be on the lookout :)
>Again, this is meant to be a fun, gratuitous exercise. Post your input if
>you like - but please no complaints about how meaningless this is - OK?
well ok. if you say so :).
maitri,
--janpa
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:08:41 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Shakti poll
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My response would start with Bobby Rock, drummer extraorinaire and long-time
meditator and vegan (I think). He used to work for David Lee Roth among
others, now he produces Metallica's CD's. I couldn't take my eyes off of him,
he seemed to be the epitome of what a human being should be. (Saw him up
close at a drum clinic.)
Bob Becker, another amazing percussionist, member of the Nexus percussion
ensemble. Just saw him last weekend at a concert at West Point...he glows.
He smiles, you smile too. Don't know about his spiritual practices or food habits.
Ian Finkle, xylophonist. Hep Cat, was my first thought. He throws energy
around and the whole room gets all charged up! Saw him last weekend too. He
doesn't feel quite as nice, he feels physically less healthy...one of his CD's
has a couple of photos of him holding a cigar, maybe that's why, my info is
very limited on him.
See the pattern here? My theory is musicians by the very nature of their work
spend a lot of time in the now...and they love what they do, which opens them
up more.
Last week I was sitting in a sub shop when a group of fire & rescue workers
came in. That energy was really sweet.
I knew a Methodist minister with a really sweet feel, too.
I've met more percussionists than holy people, my vote for most shakti is my
beloved Black Dragon. He has to take care not to hurt me with his power. I
am getting better at tolerating it, though.
FWIW.
Orea
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:01:42 +0100
From: Richard Wentk <richardATnospamskydancer.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini/Astrology Research
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At 04:57 31/03/98, Charles Attfield wrote:
>Looking at the time of the first significant kundalini arousal, and only
>looking at orbs within 1°, the progressions from the Moon, Mars and the
>Ascendant were strongest while progressions to Jupiter and Saturn were
>strongest and progressions to Ascendant and Sun were weakest. Again another
>surprise was that there were no progressions from Uranus and only one each
>from Neptune and Pluto.
I wouldn't mind seeing the distributions of these. Also, a control group
would be useful for comparison - my suspicion is that since the prog. Moon
and Asc move relatively fast correlations that feature them are
problematic. At least not without other indicators.
Mars is interesting - and unexpected.
>Transits from Neptune were the strongest followed by Pluto and Uranus. I
>had no transits at all from Uranus to Uranus so I cannot confirm Barbara
>Hand Clow's Uranus opposition Uranus as being important. I had one transit
>from Chiron to Chiron and that was a trine.
So much for that idea. :)
She's a brilliant writer, but if the facts don't match the theory which are
you going to throw away?
>I have also made a start looking at the charts of 11 Masters and Gurus and
>the pattern shown in birth charts is markedly different from those on the
>Kundalini list.
Now *there's* a surprise. :)))))))
Thanks for the survey! Any chance others might want to contribute for a
bigger data set?
My details:
DOB - 19:47 16/1/63 London
First major K symptoms - 13/11/97
R.
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:31:37 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: After Death Communications
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At 12:22 AM 3/31/98 EST, MMeyers541 wrote:
>Well, it's nice to be assured of your mother's love, but I don't think it's
>good for either one of us if she keeps visiting.
Why not? She may be confused with teh change. She may want a little while
to adjust before 'going on.'
> Any suggestions as to how I
>might deal with this? Thx--Michele
Why rush her? Why not respect her wishes?
>
>P.S. Think I'll go for to the grief counseling offered by the hospice, but
>any ideas of what else I might say to my mother?
Why not listen to anything she might be trying to say to you? Maybe she has
some message for you, and can't/won't go on till she delivers it?
Mary
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:31:35 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dangers of kundalini awakening
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At 06:53 PM 3/30/98 -0800, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>her sister blames her entire history of mental illness on kundalini and in
>fact her sister showed no signs of mental illness until some years of
>practicing a form of kundalini yoga.
What else went on during these years? Did her practice awaken k? How long
did she practice before it awakened? How did her yoga group behave when she
started having trouble?
IE, was it k itself that was her problem, or maybe some long harsh
practices, or something else altogeher?
>On the other hand I have been corresponding for some time with members of
>Yogi Bhajan's 3HO group and they have often pointed to their apparently
>flawless (hard to believe) record regarding their members and mental
>illness associated with kundalini.
>
>So between these two extreme viewpoints I thought it was time to rethink
>the ``dangers'' part of my kundalini FAQ - comments are appreciated.
>Kurt
On a hasty reading....
Seems to me, a person coming to this list/FAQ would either be already
having some k awakening, or considering wheter to try to awaken it.
If they're already having some, then talking about dangers etc inherent in
k doesn't seem very productive. If they get scared and try to repress it,
won't that make things worse?
I guess some psychologists who aren't having k might research it. For them,
is it a good idea to emphasize dangers? There's been some progress in
getting psych people to distinguish between k and psychosis. Wouldn't like
to see them decide, "Well, k is just another form/cause of psychosis ... or
is just as bad ... so better lock them up."
If somebody isn't having any k yet and is just thinking about trying to
force it, then some warnings might be in order. Or some recommendations to
places to get it safely.
How about instaed of treating each question from both views, break it up
into 2 FAQs, one for "If you're already having spontaneous experiences or
dealing with people who are" and one for "If you've had no experineces and
want to induce some".
Just generally, it's confusing to read the kind of manual that's always
giving 2 answers to each question. "If you have Volkswagen type 1, then do
this, but if you have VW type 2 then do that."
Mary
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:40:27 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: After Death Communications
Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980331094011.00a70588ATnospampop.sonic.net>
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What a wonderful post, thank you!
You said it better than I did, and saw a lot more, too.
Another lurker says Bingo :-)
Mary
At 04:22 AM 3/31/98, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>At 00:22 31/03/98 EST, MMeyers541 wrote:
>>Hi All,
>>
>>My mother died on 2/23. I spent the last minutes of her life holding her
>>hand, telling her I loved her, and that we'd both be OK.
> My sympathies with your grief. Losing one's Mother is a big life
>transition, and it can be very hard. I am blessed to still have mine, tho
>she is in another city.
/snip all/
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:51:59 -0700
From: stuartf <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: After Death Communications
Message-ID: <35212D3E.93CF3807ATnospamdimensional.com>
Interesting thread this topic. I myself have experienced in the past a few
similar experiences of communications from the "other side". As it had already
been my nature to not be the most easily accepting person I questioned the whole
phenomenon. After doing some reading I learned that not all these experiences
are regarded the same in various practices. The spiritualist movement and those
associated with similar types of teachings believe in fact that these things are
without a doubt messages and communications from beyond the veil of death. In
more esoteric and "higher" (not to sound elitist) teachings there is a more
complicated view of the death experience. With the soul and the higher bodies
breaking away from the lower shell. The lower shell containing memories and
astral conciousness can very well reach out to those attachments it formed while
in embodiment. Although it lacks "intelligence" per se it can be communicated
with as if one is having a seemingly normal conversation, i.e. questions and
answers. I believe this view also includes the notion that the soul would not
normally return to the lower planes at this point.
I'd imagine that others here maybe familiar with this view. It would be
interesting to hear others views.
Namaste,
Stuart
Mary Ezzell wrote:
> At 12:22 AM 3/31/98 EST, MMeyers541 wrote:
>
> >Well, it's nice to be assured of your mother's love, but I don't think it's
> >good for either one of us if she keeps visiting.
>
> Why not? She may be confused with teh change. She may want a little while
> to adjust before 'going on.'
>
> > Any suggestions as to how I
> >might deal with this? Thx--Michele
>
> Why rush her? Why not respect her wishes?
>
> >
> >P.S. Think I'll go for to the grief counseling offered by the hospice, but
> >any ideas of what else I might say to my mother?
>
> Why not listen to anything she might be trying to say to you? Maybe she has
> some message for you, and can't/won't go on till she delivers it?
>
> Mary
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