1998/03/30 18:41
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #248
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 248
Today's Topics: Re: Tests [ John Halonen ]
Re: Newbie [ Dan Margolis ] Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Peter L. Sutphen" ]
baptism of dirt [ "Jason S. White" ] Re: chalta hai (fwd) [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" ]
Re: Dreams [ Dee777 ] Anurag Goel [ Peswani
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Tests
Message-Id:
I look at life like a rather large song. Not a test.
And I am one of the performers in a huge arangement. Every once in a while changing the melody,
somtimes i'm a chorus, or a rythm, and somtimes a blessed solo.
In this way, I also tend not to have to think about working with others, but it happens naturally more often. Am I losing the point of the post yet?
must be a new melody. lol
Thanks for your posts tg...
john halonen
At 10:32 PM 3/28/98 EST, Imtgxxx wrote:
>Richard asked.... Why does it seem sometimes that life is a series of tests? >
> >Because you think it is?
> >Is this a test question?
> >
>xxxtg > * Sometimes you have to take the test before you've finished studying *
> >http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html
> >
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:05:27 -0800 From: Dan Margolis
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odie wrote:
> greetings to all,
> I am new to the list and know i have much to learn. i have done some > studying on K
> but really know nothing and am hoping that all of you will be patient > with me and help
> me to get K rising and used to gain "Enlinghtment". My email name is > odie but i am
> called Joe for lack of a better name. >
> -- > MZ‰
I would start a sincere disciplined meditation practice and not worry
at all about getting your K rising. Work towards enlightenment. Your K may rise it may not.
Dan M.
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:01:37 -0700 From: stuartf
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Pranayama as a solo practice is not my regiment. I'm not quite sure if that is what
you were implying or just making a general statement. I also have never used the word "foolishness". If this was directed to me personally, read my original
message. I've not yet reached Meditation, I'm still groping and progressing modestly with Concentration. Raja Yoga (dharana, dhyana, samadhi, etc) without a
doubt works with/on prana. IMHO, Meditation can also bring about states of conciousness that the seeker may not
be able to assimilate or transcend. The warnings do not seem as great regarding Meditation, but then again I'm no great scholar and have not searched the scriptures
to research the matter. Take a broader look at life. There are many people drawn to spiritual practices of
all kinds. There will always be unbalanced and more balanced people within these groups. For that matter, this goes on all over the world outside of spiritual
practices as well. Skarmas act either way. As far as warnings of any sort about the dangers of opening psychic areas one is not
able to handle. Sometimes you just have to jump into "hell" to get a little perspective. There really is no way to avoid the ugly stuff. People who try are
only fooling themselves and perhaps it is because their souls are just not ready for that yet. This may sound cliche and even induce nausea but the road to the summit is
fraught with many dangers.
Namaste, Stuart
E Jason wrote:
> on 29 Mar 98, Stuart wrote...
> > >This is not to say that there is validity in using caution and guidance
> >under a good teacher. I'm not arguing that point. I also have not read one > >iota of the "dangers" of pranayama outside of the guideline to proceed
> >slowly and practically. >
> We see what we want to see. > In the early stages of practicing pranayama, health and well being is increased.
> This quite a simple physiological process. A sense of well being and confidence > is a good thing. Pranayama also will release other responses and other
> conditions, some of them are akin to madness, fear and other extreme emotional > conditions. The reason for caution and a teacher is for reference. The teacher
> will see certain conditions such as supreme confidence in ones ability to handle > all forces generated and apply a remedy.
> If you want to accumalate Prana, develop "K" and so on, the best way for solo > practice is meditation. If you meet people who regularly practise meditation
> their breathing seems very slow *natural* and relaxed. They seem very able to > cope. Meditation is far harder than pranayama which is merely a preparation for
> it. Preparation for meditation may also be in the form of yoga or physical > systems such as Tai Chi or martial arts. The people I have met who are into or
> have been into unsupervised Pranayama as their solo practice were always odd (in > a bad way - if you don't care about that or want to know who isn't odd etc - OK
> fine). People who practiced meditation were more attuned to something > beneficial. It also seemed they would 'drift into' group or supervised practice
> quite naturally and then maybe leave to continue again. I would say they were > assured of genuine progress.
> The solo pranayama practioners were oddities. Convinced that they were making > great progress (this incidently is one of the major dangers).
> Telling this to people does not put them off. They all think they can handle it. > You have been warned by the classics, you have been warned by people with
> greater knowledge and experience than you. You live in a free world. Nobody can > pass on wisdom to a fool. As you consider such warnings 'foolishness' perhaps
> you already are experiencing a classic symptom without even realising its > existence . . .
> > The Foolish Lobster
> wasting his breath as usual. Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:20:13 -0500
From: "Peter L. Sutphen" To: "Curtis, Concetta M." ,
"MMeyers541 (IPM Return requested)" ,
Cc: Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 2:32 PM Subject: RE: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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>Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center >
>In a message dated 98-03-24 10:01:00 EST, you write: >
>< Once again my sincere apologies for all I have put you through. >
> Lobster >> >Lobster Man, I'm cracking up big time--& it's ALL YOUR fault! Michele
> >
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 11:56:29 -0500 From: Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com (Dirk Haueter)
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent Cc: kundalini-l
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Dear friends, I have noticed among healers (and in myself) a joy in listening in silence. This
can be transformational in the presence of a person of great energy.
In this internet world connections are made through words. Some of the best experiences I've had with all of you have been in the seething of outrageous
chatter.
How can those of us with quiet natures add to this mix? Is this a lesson in leadership or do we learn to sense the resonant energy of
the lurking population?
Thank you all, for your many voices (and wonderful subliminal words of tgxx). I came for kundalini. Usually I do not feel shakti from the words but good humor.
Joy and Love, Dirk
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
We are healed thru each other, St. Germain said.. and it was the love the submisives gave to my rejected controlling self, that allowed me to accept
my perfection and move forward into honoring the values of leadership. Accepting the power I have, to serve by appearing to lead. The duality is
inherent in all things. Well, that's my rambling for today... thanks fer yer patience..
blessings, Mystress. Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:18:11 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, deliriumATnospamfull-moon.com
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>My life lessons go on. >
> >I don't really know what my action should be here...I could let this
fellow be, or I could go talk to his >wife, or to him, or I could call the police, and my "fear" is that this
fellow will either get struck down by >a car or cause a car to swerve into another, or off the street onto our
lawns... >
>But whatever, I have never been so "close" to such "craziness" ... >
Dear Delerium, Yes, do all of the above. It is not your job to do a diagnosis of
WHY, but the behavior is dangerous to himself and others. Ask his wife first if she is aware of this..if she seems disinclined to take him to a
Dr..call the police next.
>The funny part of it all is that he began doing this about the same time that I started feeling K-energy
>moving...coincidence or??? YES, this must be coincidence.. why would your K affect him or anyone
else in this way?? Why aren't the other neighbors going crazy too?? >
>Whazzup, oh wise and noble list? What are your feelings on what might be going on here? *Just* senile
>dementia, or??? >
>--Delirium >
>
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From: "Jason S. White" To: "Kundalini"
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The dirty ground cleans so well.
Tears and laughter fall away. Petty fears and joys fall away.
Layers of years of narrow sight and grandiose ideas fall away.
Face breathes a sigh of relief as it no longer strains under the weight of persona.
I am again a minuscule vibration held in the rich soily bosom
of the great forgiving mother of all. Washed clean in the baptism of dirt
to begin anew. to see.
to be. silent.
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Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:17:44 -0500 From: "Ed Arrons"
To: Subject: The Universe as Consciousness
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Some thoughts on The Universe as Consciousness...
The Universe IS consciousness, since everything in all existence is in a state of vibration- and vibration is the essence of consciousness.
'God' is the ultimate, infinite, vibration acting instantaneously everywhere in
creating all vibrational entities (all things).
All (vibrational) entities interact/communicate/enlink according to resonance/dissonance (almost perfect 1 to almost perfect 0) in a quantum
(harmonic, whole number, gestalt) order.
All vibrational entities vary in a range of frequencies within the hypothetical structure of the electro-magnetic spectrum.
Science, metaphysics, ancient wisdom, spirituality, and everyday reality have
common ground in the concept of vibration and resonance as fundamental principles.
Human perception is limited to narrow bands of vibrational frequency creating
an anthropic understanding of consciousness.
Y'all have a nice day... Ed :-) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:26:35 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" To: Jeanne Garner , kl List
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Jeanne, the wisdom is outstanding! Of course we are here where we are as we
are for a significant reason. How easy it is to forget this as we get so wrapped up in our endeavors.
I agree with you as well on the dubious sport of Peswani bashing.
Thanks for the reminder.
Blessings,
Orea
Jeanne Garner wrote:
> > At 07:46 PM 3/29/98, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> > > I believe the most powerful desires come straight from Goddess, and so my
> >path is to follow my bliss. Needs themselves are not good or bad, they are > >just who we are.. it is how we choose to get our needs met, and whether we
> >choose to honor them with love and acceptance, that is the sticking place. >
> One of my yoga teachers used to tell me--often--"You came into this earthly > body for a reason. Life is precious, and if you deny your special purpose,
> it will be a long while before you get another chance. We all have earthly > lessons to learn, and earthly things to do. So get busy: Do Earth." It
> seems to me that by denying the earthly nature we all have while living in > these bodies, that we slap our Benefactor/ress in the heart. We are
> spirit, yes, but we are also earthly, and earthy beings. I think of > something you said earlier, in the context of darkness and light, about
> cutting off half of your Tao--when we deny either the spirit or the > "earthiness", it's much the same. Balance, then, is the key.
> > For the record, I vote with you for letting up on this new k-list sport of
> Peswani bashing. What kind of "truly enlightened" being would indulge in > it? And who, outside of Peswani's head, knows what's really going on in
> there? I sense sincerity in his posts, and they sometimes bring new > understanding. Maybe its time for the "experts" to re-examine their own
> thoughts? >
> Jeanne > ==-* My stars!
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:41:38 EST From: Dee777
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Dreams
Message-ID:
Hi Hilary:
You might try the dream analysis section of my web-site. I have a whole section about animals there.
http://www.greatdreams.com
DREAMS OF THE GREAT EARTH CHANGES
Love, Light, and Joy
Dee
n a message dated 98-03-29 14:23:39 EST, you write:
< Subj: Re: Dreams
Date: 98-03-29 14:23:39 EST From: DruoutATnospamaol.com (Druout)
To: CttlemanATnospampsbnewton.com, mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Dear John,
Your story was wonderfully evocative!
I'm fascinated though. You write about dreaming of an "encounter with a polar
bear..."
Coincidentally I dreamt of a polar bear two nights ago. At first I was frighted of the creature (beautiful, snow white). then I overcame my fear
and pet his wonderful fur. He was quite tame!
Any dream interpreters out there??
Love, Hillary
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:31:57 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani To: kundalini-l
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I lost your letter, but a reply was ready in my computer. I am sending this reply thro list.
Dear Peswani,
As you are a Bodhisattva, were you able to save these big gurus from thei=
r errant ways by your newly found wisdom?
I AM ON THE WAY TO BECOMING BHODDHISATTVA. THE WHOLE PROCESS MAY
TAKE FROM ONE TO SEVEN LIVES. THUS I WAS TOLD. AT THE TIME WHEN I APPROACED THESE GURUS ...THEY WERE HARDLY
ACKNOWLEDGING MY PRESENCE. AND I DID NOT HAVE A KNOWLEDGE AT THAT TIME AS TO WHAT I AM GOING TO BE. COME ON ANURAG BE EASY ON ME
Could you tell us from what this intelligent energy evolved and to what i=
t will further evolve? Burning Karmas it a great achievement... Can you
destroy Karmas that originate in delusions like "amassing wealth will mak= e
me happy" also?
YES, I WAS ABLE TO DESTROY THESE DELUSIONS. REGARDIN INTELLIGENT ENERGY READ MY RESPONSE TO DANIJEL. I MIGHT ALSO SEND YOU MORE OF MY OLD
WRITINGS ON THIS INTELLIGENT ENERGY AFTER I AM FREE FROM THESE DISCUSSIONS.
Forgive my curiosity, born out of ignorance, but if there=
is a truth "of the moment", there has to be a truth, that is "not of the
moment". Could you inform us about the relation between both truths? Many= of
us in the group are beginners, intent on learning.
OUR HINDU RELIGION OFTEN TALKS OF THIS BODY AS ILLUSION. IT TALKS THAT THERE IS A GOD OR ATMA OR SOUL. THESE ARE "UNTRUTHS" OR "NOT OF THE
MOMENT" AS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO IMAGINE THEM. THEY ARE NOT YOUR DIRECT EXPERIENCE.
OUR BODY, ITS PAINS OR MOVEMENTS OR SENSATIONS, ITS FEELING OF HEAT OR COLD ETC IS THE "TRUTH" OF THEMOMENT. ANY THOUGHTS OR EMOTIONS
COMING IN ARE ALSO THE TRUTH OF THE MOMENT AS YOU ARE DIRECTLY EXPERIENCING THEM.
Understanding you is a bit difficult indeed. With the teachings of
Ramakrishna and Ramana Maharishi, many are familiar, but not (yet) with t= he
teachings of Peswani. Because happiness is such an important treasure, co= uld
you inform us on what your happiness depends? Belief is a bit missing in = a
group that is centered about K. experience and related effects, so don=92= t be
too hard on us please.
ALL YOUR HAPPINESS OR ANY OTHER EMOTION IS OUTCOME OF A KARMA CLOUD THT IS TRYING TO PROJECT OUT AT A PARTICULAR MOMENT. SAY YOU DO NOT
WANT TO BE ANGRY EVER. SIT DOWN IN MEDITATION, QUIETEN THE MIND. NOW DELIBERATELY THINK
OF ANY THING OF WHICH YOU ARE ANGRY. ANGER KARM WILL COME OUT. OBSERVE THIS KARMA WITH BALANCE OF MID BUT RECOGNISING THAT THIS IS YOUR ANGER.
YOU HAVE TO REPEAT THIS PROCESS MANY TIMES. O NE DAY YOU WILL BE FREE FROM ANGER. REMEMBER ALL YOUR KARMAS ARE IN ASTRAL BODY SIZE OF WHICH IS AS BIG
AS YOUR PHYSICAL BODY. ANGER KARMAS MAY BE HIDING IN YOUR FET OR HAND OR ANYWHERE. INORDER TO BRING THEM OUT INITIALLY WILL BE EASY BUT LATER ON
YOU HAVE TO CONCENTRATE MORE AND MORE.
Do you mean by this that God did program you as Bodhisattva? According to
your analogy, a guru must be the equivalent of a hacker, being able to cu= t
out parts of the program -: )) and a skilled hacker is quite capable of changing the program altogether. How should a Buddhist interpret this? Th=
e primordial mind being a giant background program, consisting of individua=
l subroutines with back-up facility? For a Buddhist guru then Reality must =
be hacker=92s paradise -: ))) I am very interested in your answers. Please f=
eel free to use all technical terms related to computers etc. for explanation=
- a modern approach is very refreshing.
ALL KNOWLEDGE INCLUDING COMPUTER AND ATOMIC KNOWLEGE CAME DOWN
FROM BUDDHIC PLANE. TO ASUME THAT EINSTIEN OR ANY OTHE PERSON DID IT IS A FOLLY IN THE PRESENT TIME.
THIS UNIVERSE HAS ALREADY EVOLVED AND VERY VERY INTELLIGENTLY. ALL MAJOR DECISIONS HAVE BEEN PROGRAMMED. BHODDISATTVAS OR BUDDHAS ARE A MAJOR
EVENTS AND ARE PROGRAMMED AS PER BUDDHIC THINKINGS. I HAVE FOUGHT THIS BODDHISATTVAHOOD FOR THREE YEARS, YET MY
EFFORTS FAILED AND NOW I AM RECONCILED TO THE DECISION OF HIGHER INTELLIGENT ENERGY.
......SHAHANSHAH Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:14:11
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: John Living
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: healing
Message-Id:
At 08:26 30/03/98 -0700, John Living wrote:
>In part of a private message, The Mystress wrote :
Tsk, John, reposting private messages to the list without the author's permission is considered a definite no-no.. just fer the record.. (shrug)..
I forgive you, but I thought you and everybody else crustacean or not oughta know.. I suspect you dowsed to see if it was OK, first, anyways...
:) I trust you.
Thankyou for this info tho, it fits. Last night I was working with one of my slaves teaching him pendulum work, and I finally figured out why my
signals keep changing. A bit of background for everyone, since this has become a list topic..
I used to use a pendulum with excellent results when I was in highschool, till one day waiting for the bus in a cranky mood aftr a paticularly
annoying typing class, I asked if I could drop out of typing.. it said no.. I made it say yes.. and it has not been reliable for me since.. John and I
live a few miles apart in Vancouver.. (he is a verrry charming fella, comes by for tea and cookies. Not for kink, o you evil minded sorts who are
thinking smething is happening that isn't :)) and he has been very kindly assisting me to get my pendulum working again.
Last night I finally got it to be working and giving me consistent signals, and I figured out part of the reason why not before, was my habit
of shifting dimensions in my thinking. Looking at things from one box, then leaping put into the perspective of the next box, etc.. the answers are
different at every level, as you say.. and it seems the guide handling the pendulum uses different signals, depending on the dimension I am thiking in
t the moment. As long as I humble confine my thinking to 3-d, it is useful.. tho learning to think in yes/no questions still requires discipline.
LOL! A few days ago I was trying to get a $$ figure as to how much I needed to put as deposit at my new internet provider, and was having a
terrible time and wondering if it was that I had not chosen the right provider, and needed to keep looking... getting cold feet.. then one of my
net slaves wrote to me and asked if there was anything he could do for me.. I suggested handling my deposit for me.. he agreed happily. Goddess
provides.. So the correct answer to the deposit question was "none at all", I hadn't thought to ask that, and if I had, I would have presumed it meant
to find a different provider! slave and I sat down to work with the pendulum after he had spent an hour
tidying my bedroom. One of the last questions we thought to ask the pendulum, after a long converstaion on the nature of Dom/sub surprised him
quite a lot.. I asked: Am I in service to my slave lecher? Big Yes.
Is lecher in service to me? small no.
I laughed at him, coz he just graduated with his teaching degree, and oughta know a teacher is in service to the student..
Which is my way of saying, HUGE thankyou, John, for teaching me to
connect with my pendulum again. It feels really wonderful to have the gift back after so long regretting the stubborn foolishness of my contrary youth.
Blessings, Mystress.
>JOHN: >
>Imagine a series of boxes. We are (in this 'world' inside one box, where the >dimensions are 3 lots of length, time, and thought. Sometimes we escape to
>the next box, and find that time does not exist. And we assume that this >much bigger box is 'All that is', and do not realize that it, too, is a box.
> >But there may be even larger boxes outside that one.
>So it may be that a truly enlightened person became truly enlightened at the
>next higher level, then he may discover time again - and perhaps 3 >dimensional time !
> >John
> >
>J.M.Living, P.Eng., A wise old owl lived in an oak; >2731 West 11th.Avenue, the more he saw, the less he spoke;
>Vancouver, B.C., the less he spoke, the more he heard; >Canada V6K 2L8 he was definitely not a political bird !
> Vox & Fax (604) 737-7456 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:37:27
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com (Dirk Haueter)
Cc: kundalini-l Subject: Re: Sometimes lurking
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Hello:
After Frans posted, I clicked on the link and went to visit the K-list family album.. spent a few moments tuning into the pictures there.. usually
I hate frames, but Frans has put them to good use on this page.. and has anyone else noticed that Harsha's pic vibrates into 3-d?
So my suggestion is to put your similing face on the family album page, let us see you, and hear you in the silence, even if we do not read your
words often.
Do I feel the lurkers out there? Yes. Definitely.. Ya know how sometimes my posts seem to wander into a lot of "left turns"?
That is beacuse when I am deep into chaneling a post, I hear the questions that come up in the listmembers minds in the future when they read it, and
answer them, too.. and sometimes I am given information to add in, and it seems like a wierd left turn and I dunno why, but I do, and a lurker will
post me privately to say that paragraph was information they had been seeking. I usually know that not all the information is for the person
whose post I am responding to, but there is a privacy filter that I don't usually know who else it is for unless they choose to reveal themselves.
So I end up with one long post that gets few responses, coz it is a thread in itself.. LOL!
The grounding site has a similar "privacy filter" on it.. I never know who has been there till they tell me. It is partly simply convenience.. I
have my own life to live.. ya know?
So, yes, I do listen to y'all in the silence, even if I do not know your faces or names.
Blessings, Mystress.
At 11:56 30/03/98 -0500, Dirk Haueter wrote: >
>Dear friends, >I have noticed among healers (and in myself) a joy in listening in
silence. This >can be transformational in the presence of a person of great energy.
> >In this internet world connections are made through words. Some of the best
>experiences I've had with all of you have been in the seething of outrageous >chatter.
> >How can those of us with quiet natures add to this mix?
>Is this a lesson in leadership or do we learn to sense the resonant energy of >the lurking population?
>Dirk
> >Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> We are healed thru each other, St. Germain said.. and it was the love the >submisives gave to my rejected controlling self, that allowed me to accept
>my perfection and move forward into honoring the values of leadership. >Accepting the power I have, to serve by appearing to lead. The duality is
>inherent in all things. > Well, that's my rambling for today... thanks fer yer patience..
> blessings, Mystress. >
> >
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