1998/03/30 07:22
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #246
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 246
Today's Topics:
Re: PRANAYAMA [ PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Sublimin [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: effective communication [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: enlightment [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: chalta hai (fwd) [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: enlightment [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: PRANAYAMA/My last day [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Sublimin [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Sublimin [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Sublimin [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:01:30 EST
From: PEGLUMPKIN <PEGLUMPKINATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA
Message-ID: <64537c7.351f5f6cATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-29 23:51:51 EST, Angelique writes:
<< But I still cannot understand why Yogis who go into samadhi and stop
breathing and exit this mortal coil are glorified?? I just don't get it..
suicide is suicide, even if one does learn to be very tidy about it.>>
I also marvel at ascetics or masochists who put the body through such
discomfort that consciousness eventually leaves it. As much as I have enjoyed
experiencing altered states, I'm too big a wimp to take that rough road.
<<Why are there no true immortals? >>
Maybe I've opened my concept of reality a wee bit too wide, but I see everyone
as a "true immortal," even if they off themselves in an attempt to transcend
the little
energy cluster they call home during this lifetime. I realized last night
that I may be a little too far over the edge when I was having dinner with
friends. Someone asked me what I would do if I were told that this was my
last day on Earth. And I responded, "I would just say 'cool'." And I meant
it. My friends were not pleased. And if Zarcon's dream about half the people
on Earth dying were true, I would still say cool, even if I were to be one who
died. I trust the divine plan. But when I try to articulate the concept that
bringing pain and sorrow is a valid path, I start to sound like a sociopath.
At this point, I think it's best not to talk about it (except in an anonymous
and accepting forum like this) because I see Adolph Hilter and Mother Theresa
as the same divine potential. However, I like to think my own path is a
little more toward the Mother Theresa than the Hitler end of the spectrum.
(I'm the type who will escort a spider out of the house rather than squash it
and who even feels compunction pulling weeds!)
It might seem like this mindset would lead to total inertia, because in the
final analysis, nothing really matters. But paradoxically, it has left me
more motivated and productive than before. A composite "me" now includes a
spiritual infant who found out that if you "play" with your dreams, rather
than fear them, they all come true. Then there is also the "me" who watches
this little child play. And once in a while, they join together and dissolve.
If death is anywhere near that experience of disappearing, then we've got a
big treat coming.
Peg
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:27:47 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "Imtgxxx" <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Subliminal Message to Everyone
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Excellent diction and use of imagery! Profound metaphors! Dazzling!
I can now, with no further doubt or question, declare that I can read
subliminal email. Happy day! Here's my response:
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What do you think?
Jason.
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:40:55 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Cc: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: effective communication
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Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 10:31:47 -0800
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Peswani,
I believe that perhaps your trouble lies in the tones you use for
communication with this list. It does not matter what you say to explain
enligtenment, it matters how you say it. An enlightened master was asked
at different times "What is Mind?" Once he answered "Mind is Buddha," the
second time he answered "Mind is not Buddha." There was no doubt given to
either of his answers.
Perhaps this unintentional or caused by a language or cultural barrier
but the tone of your e-mails are very off-putting. If your e-mails no
longer inflected these tonal differences people would have a lot easier
time understanding you. Here are the underlying tones that I read in your
e-mails.
IF IT IS AN APOLOGY, YOU NEED NOT. AS AT THE START WHEN I CLAIMED A
TRUTHFUL BUT PROVOCATIVE STATEMENT "THAT I AM ON THE LINE FOR BHODHISATTVA"
I KNEW THE REACTION OF THE MEMBERS.
Pride/Arrogance: The use of all capitals, suggest talking over somebody
as opposed to talking with somebody. The insistance that we believe in
you as opposed to stating your case simply and clearly. The phrases "I
have been enlightened. If you have not been enlightened, shut up,"
suggest an ego which makes communication very difficult. People find it
very difficult to communicate with people that talk in this matter. Your
special, get over it.
CAPITAL LETTERS IN LAST LETTERS WAS WRITTEN FOR CONVINIENCE.
OTHERWISE I HAD TO WRITE THE NAME OF THE PERSON WHO IS TALKING FOR CLEAR
UNDERSTANDING.
WHEN I WROTE "SHUT UP", I ALSO WROTE ":))))))" INDICATING THAT I AM SMILING. I WAS TRYING TO CONVEY INTIMACY AND FRIENDSHIP WITH THIS SMILE AND THE WORD. SORRY IF I COULD NOT CONVEY PROPERLY.
Self-Loathing: Whenever you talk about the impurities of the body, you
talk in such a manner that suggests you hate things about yourself. You
are ending all need for sleep. You must purify the channels. You have
lost your enlightenment. In your e-mails you seem to bounce between pride
in your accomplishments and hatred of the impure parts of you. When
someone talks about the constant need to purify themselves it normally
suggests they have a poor self-image. Self-purification is a natural
process that will occur whether you feel the need to purify yourself or
not. If you feel the need to purify yourself then there is some part of
yourself that you dislike.
IN THIS YOU ARE RIGHT THAT I TALK OF IMPURITIES. SEE MY PROBLEM IS
THAT I AM ABLE TO SEE MY ASTRAL BODY IN MEDITATION. I AM ABLE TO SEE ALL
MY KARMAS. AND THESE KARMAS OBSCURE THE LIGHT OF SAT-CHIT ANNAND WHICH IS
WHITE LIGHT. KARMAS ARE LIKE DENSE CLOU DS COVERING THE BRIGHTNESS AND
BLISS. WITH MY AWARENESS MEDITATION I AM ABLE TO CLEAR A CERTAIN AREAS.
BUT THEN CLOUDS OF DARK OR WHITE CLOUDS AGAIN COME FROM NEIGHBOURHOOD AND
COVER UP THE LIGHT. DURING MY ENLIGHTMENT IN JUNE-JULY 94, THESE CLOUDS
WERE C OMPLETELY CLEARED. LATER I STARTED PENETRATING INTO THIS LIGHT, AND
GOT INTO TROUBLE. IMPURITIES FROM OUTSIDE THRO HEART CENTRE STARTED
POURING IN. MORE I WOULD CLEAR, MORE WILL COME. I WOULD FIGHT THIS DIRT
FOR 8-10 HOURS EVERYDAY TILL I WOULD GET TIRED.
I FOUGHT THESE CLOUDS FOR SIX MONTHS, AND THEN GAVE UP. WENT IN SEARCH
FOR GURU FOR NEXT SIX MONTHS IN HIMALYAS. CAME BACK DISAPPOINTED. COULD
NOT REST WITHOUT ANSWER TO THIS PROBLEM AFTER COMING BACK FROM HIMALYAS.
REMEDITATED, READ BOOKS,READ BUDDISM. ULTIMATELY GOT THE IDEA OF PRAGYA OR
PRAJNA MEDITATION. M ADE CONTACT WITH MY INNER VOICE. BUT EVEN INNER VOICE
CAME FROM INNER MIND. SO I HAD TO WAIT PATIENTLY FOR NEXT 3 YEARS TO GET
APPRECIABLE RESULTS TO CONVINCE MY SELF OF THE INNER VOICE.
Self-pity: Phrases like "I AM ALONE" "IS IT SO VERY DIFFICULT TO
UNDERSTAND ME AND MY ENLIGHTENMENT" These carry a connotation of
self-pity to me, I am so misunderstood. Well poor, poor Peshwani, nobody
understands you. Nobody can see the world the way you do. There are
millions of misunderstood genius's out there and my heart goes out to all
of them.
NOBODY UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS EVEN TODAY.
Lack of a sense of humor: You may have a tremendous sense of humor in
your culture. Unfortunately you do not convey it. All enlightened masters
have a wicked sense of humor. The world is a bizarre and funny place. So
lighten up!
ANY ADVICE AS TO HOW I BRING IN HUMOR IN MY WRITINGS. YES, I DO
WANT TO COMMUNICATE BETTER.
You may not mean to convey these emotions. However, your e-mails convey
them to us. They are the reason you are so misinterpreted. I believe if
you were to carefully write and avoid transmitting these tones either
intentionally or unintentionally you will be able to communicate with
everybody a lot better.
Dan M
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:44:04 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: enlightment
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From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
At 21:35 1998.03.29 +0500, you wrote:
>GROWTH BY REPEATED ENLIGHTMENTS LEADS TO SELF-REALISATION OF ONE'S PATH TO
>EITHER MOKSH OR NIRVAN.
Dear Shahanshah, no need for you to yell, I hear you quite well. :) Or is
your caps lock key stuck? ;))
But to talk about enlightenment. I have a pretty good idea of what you're
talking about. One purely technical question - you have much greater
theoretical knowledge on that matter than myself, that is obvious. I have a
pretty good idea that after being able to consciously function on atmic
level there is a higher level which I can feel at some times now, but it
isn't simple and that awareness takes all of my energy and focus. I have
heard of two versions - nirvanic level is one, and anupadaka (and adi after
that) is the other. Which one is true according to you? And is it the
ultimate level of union between inner and outer reality where everything is
perceived as nirvana, or is there still some higher level to attain?
-- I HOPE ANUPADAKA PROBABLY MEANS BUDDHIC PLANE OR WISDOM PLANE. THIS
COMES AFTER ATMIC PLANE. NIRVANA IS STILL HIGHER.
YOU CAN GET EXPERIENCE OF BUDDHIC PLANE WITH THE HELP OF SATYA SAI BABA
I GOT FREQUENT CONTACT WITH BUDDHIC PLANE FROM PRAJNA MEDITATION.
PATANJALI GIVES A COMPLICATED NAME TO THIS MEDITATION AS
"SAM-PAJANA-TA-SANADA" SAMADHI.
BUDDHIC RELIGION NAMES IT AS "PRAGYA" MEDITATION.
I WOULD FIRST SIT FOR MEDITATION. AND WOULD OBSERVE MY BREATH FOR
A FEW MINUTES WITHOUT MANIPULATING IT. THIS QUIETENS THE MIND. NEXT I
WOULD CLEAR UP KARMA CLOUDS. THIS EMPTIES ANY THOUGHTS THAT ARE IN
NEIGHBOURHOOD. IN THE THIRD STAGE I WOULD PUT UP A QUESTION THAT WOULD BE
BOTHERING ME. I WOULD GO ON MEDITATING DAY IN DAY OUT ON THIS QUESTION.
FOR EXAMPLE... AT A STAGE WHEN I GOT MANY WONDERFUL ANSWERS I
STARTED ASKING "WHO ARE YOU", "WHAT SORT OF BODY YOU HAVE", HOW YOU CAME
INTO EXISTENCE, ETC.ETC.
BRIEFLY BUDDHIC PLANE CONSISTS OF INTELLIGENT ENERGY OF OUR PART
OF SUN LEFT BEHIND BY SOULS WHO CROSS OVER TO NIRVANIC PLANE. THEY LEAVE
ALL THE INTELLIGENCE OF THEIR EVOLUTION EFFORTS AND PROCESS FOR THE HELP
OF COMING SOULS. ALSO THIS ENERGY EXERTS A PULL ON LIFE TOWARDS ITSELF
DEPENDING UPON THE VOLUME OF ENERGY COLLECTED. THIS MAKES THE EVOLUTION
EASIER AND EASIER AS TIME PASSES.
REGARDING YOUR SECOND QUESTION OF HIGHER LEVELS TO NIRVANIC
PLANE.... ONE NIRVANIC SOULS IS FORMED BY MILLIONS OF HUMAN LIVES. HENCE
SAY IN A PERIOD OF 5000 OR SO YEARS ALL THE EVOLVED HUMANS WILL UNITE TO
TRANSCED TOGETHER TO NIRVANIC PLANE. LET US CALL THIS UNIT AS "BUDDHA".
THIS UNIT WILL HAVE ALL THE INTELLIGENCE OF EVOLUTION OF THIS
PERIOD OF 5000 YEARS OF OUR SUN.
SIMILARLY ALL OTHER STARS IN SKY HAVE THEIR OWN EVOLUTION PATTERN
DEPENDING UPON THE SUITABLE CONDITIONS OF THAT STAR. THERE ARE BILLIONS OF
VARIETIES OF EVOLUTION IN THIS UNIVERSE. EACH ONE OF THEM PRODUCES ITS OWN
"BUDDHA" WITH ITS INTELLIGENCE.
EVOLUTION MOVES HIGHER FROM THERE, ONLY YOU ASSUME THAT EACH
"BUDDHA" IS LIKE A HUMAN BEING AT SECOND STAGE OF EVOLUTION.
I WAS TOLD BY MY INNER VOICE AT BUDDHIC PLANE THAT THERE ARE SEVEN
SUCH STAGES OF SUCH EVOLUTION.
ONE NIRVANIC BUDDHA IS STILL SO SMALL FOR THIS UNIVERSE, AS IS
A SMALL ANT TO A MOUNTAIN.
I WAS ALSO GIVEN AN EXPERIENCE OF "ILLUSION OF TIME AND SPACE".
THIS WAS NECESSITATED BECAUSE I COULD NOT VISUALISE "GOD" AND OMNISCIENT,
OMNIPOTENT AND OMNIPRESENT INTELLIGENT ENERGY. ONLY AFTER THIS EXPERIENCE
I ACCEPTED THE POSSIBILTY OF THIS TYPE OF GOD (SHAKTI) AND THEN IT BECAME
CLEAR TO ME "THE PURPOSE OF MY LI FE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS EVOLUTION".
am i bragging ?...:)))))). Danijel you have to teach more of these
symbols otherwise this list will tear me apart.
shahahshah
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:48:20 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Cc: hlutharATnospambryant.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: chalta hai (fwd)
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From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-29 05:19:57 EST, peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in writes:
<< SHAHANSHAH HAS REPLIED IN CAPITAL LETTERS >>
Harsha writes: Dear Peshwani: Use of the Capital letters was the most
impressive part of your response! But I asked you "Who" Remains after Self-
Realization to experience various planes (Buddhic plane, Atmic plane and so
on). As long as "Something" or Some "body" remains as the experiencer, there
is veil over the nature of Reality. No matter, how profound or "high" the
Superconscious States or Samadhis, they cannot solve the fundamental mystery
of existence. When Self Sees IT Self by IT Self without a hindering medium
that is the Self-Recognition or Self-Realization that I speak about. Your
definition of Self-Realization and Sat-Chit-Ananda are quite different than
mine. The Self is that Unlimited Awareness which permeates all planes of
existence and consciousness including Buddhic Plane, Atmic plane and whatever
else you can conceive of. My response does not deny your wonderful experiences
and your reality (certainly not your obvious greatness!). We have discussed
this before and I have said everyone's path is different. Your path, although
it does not involve the Kundalini Shakti directly is certainly no less than
anyone else's. And although I tease you and joke with you I also have great
love for you ( as well as sympathy!). Finally, you keep bringing up your
robust health when compared to Ramana Maharshi and Ramakrishna Paramhansa as
an additional indication of your spiritual prowess. I find this a bit odd and
funny. You fundamentally misunderstand the teaching of the great Sage of
Arunachala and the nature of Self-Realization. You say that you can see
disease from far away and you will be able to see death from far away etc. So
What dear Peshwani! So what! Who Sees! Who Dies! The fundamental questions
remain the same. ....Harsha
FINALLY DEAR HARSHA LET US END THESE DIFFERENCES WHERE WE BEGAN
WITH THE WORDS
CHALTA HAI. SUB CHALTA HAI......SHAHANSHAH
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:00:52 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: enlightment
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>But to talk about enlightenment. I have a pretty good idea of what you're
>talking about. One purely technical question - you have much greater
>theoretical knowledge on that matter than myself, that is obvious. I have a
>pretty good idea that after being able to consciously function on atmic
>level there is a higher level which I can feel at some times now, but it
>isn't simple and that awareness takes all of my energy and focus. I have
>heard of two versions - nirvanic level is one, and anupadaka (and adi after
>that) is the other. Which one is true according to you? And is it the
>ultimate level of union between inner and outer reality where everything is
>perceived as nirvana, or is there still some higher level to attain?
>
>-- I HOPE ANUPADAKA PROBABLY MEANS BUDDHIC PLANE OR WISDOM PLANE. THIS
>COMES AFTER ATMIC PLANE. NIRVANA IS STILL HIGHER.
No, I think we use the different basic terms. From what I have experienced:
physical (mula-adhara)
etheric (sva-adhisthana)
astral (mani-pura)
mental (anahata)
causal (visuddha)
buddhic (ajna)
atmic (above the crown, can't locate it...?)
Description of levels, from my experience (Felix confirmed that with
"natural philosophy materials):
mental - white devachana/sukhavati
causal - vajra/blue
buddhic - violet, "violet robe of the Goddess"
atmic - white/gray atmic polarities, Shakti/Shiva archetypes, can't
describe any of it - felix confirmed my vision, his materials describe
"black and white" on atmic level
That's what I _do_ know. Now, I would love to know if you have more
detailed info on the nirvanic level - or whatever it is that I feel above
atmic level. It is absolutely strong and clear, but I feel only glimpses of
it, here and there, although it became more frequent in the last couple of
days.
> YOU CAN GET EXPERIENCE OF BUDDHIC PLANE WITH THE HELP OF SATYA SAI BABA
Buddhic plane is no problem whatsoever, neither is atmic, I can move there
whenever I need to (actually I'm there all the time, I just need to move my
focus). This level above atmic is still unclear and that is what I'm
working on right now. On atmic level, Shiva and Shakti both are made,
completely, of what I could call savikalpa samadhi matter. No way I could
describe that in different terms! A glimpse of the atmic body, any part of
it, reveals incredible things. Compared to that, there is a distinct
feeling of the completely different rules from the lower planes - I think
that is a completely different level than the lower prakrti (buddhic,
causal and lower), like there is a major leap from prana to vajra (you'll
have that once you have cleared visuddha wall and internalized your body on
vajra energy level). Now, from what I can sense so far, the only
association to the nirvanic level for me is Babaji Maha Avatar, his work in
Hairakhan - especially Radhe Shyam's book "I am harmony". It is like inner
and outer realities are both nirvikalpa samadhi. On atmic, it feels like
they are joined at savikalpa, and it is saguna in a way, there is a
distinct feeling of gentle human aspects, but completely divine in their
nature and infinitely brilliant in every aspect. I think desctiptions of
Shiva and Shakti in the scriptures, all the symbols, were descriptions of
that vision.
> I GOT FREQUENT CONTACT WITH BUDDHIC PLANE FROM PRAJNA MEDITATION.
>PATANJALI GIVES A COMPLICATED NAME TO THIS MEDITATION AS
>"SAM-PAJANA-TA-SANADA" SAMADHI.
Coming in touch with buddhic plane is one thing, but "wearing violet robe"
is different - I mean operating, moving and observing freely on that level
of the Creation.
> BRIEFLY BUDDHIC PLANE CONSISTS OF INTELLIGENT ENERGY OF OUR PART
>OF SUN LEFT BEHIND BY SOULS WHO CROSS OVER TO NIRVANIC PLANE. THEY LEAVE
>ALL THE INTELLIGENCE OF THEIR EVOLUTION EFFORTS AND PROCESS FOR THE HELP
>OF COMING SOULS. ALSO THIS ENERGY EXERTS A PULL ON LIFE TOWARDS ITSELF
>DEPENDING UPON THE VOLUME OF ENERGY COLLECTED. THIS MAKES THE EVOLUTION
>EASIER AND EASIER AS TIME PASSES.
I don't seem to understand this?
> REGARDING YOUR SECOND QUESTION OF HIGHER LEVELS TO NIRVANIC
>PLANE.... ONE NIRVANIC SOULS IS FORMED BY MILLIONS OF HUMAN LIVES. HENCE
>SAY IN A PERIOD OF 5000 OR SO YEARS ALL THE EVOLVED HUMANS WILL UNITE TO
>TRANSCED TOGETHER TO NIRVANIC PLANE. LET US CALL THIS UNIT AS "BUDDHA".
> THIS UNIT WILL HAVE ALL THE INTELLIGENCE OF EVOLUTION OF THIS
>PERIOD OF 5000 YEARS OF OUR SUN.
Could you write about this with more detail, please? I would like to
compare your perceprions of it with Felix's materials when I meet him.
Maybe I can put more clarity into my explanations of what I perceive.
> am i bragging ?...:)))))).
:)) Please, cut the caps please, it's difficult for me to read. :) Pretty
please, with sugar on the top? ;)))
>Danijel you have to teach more of these
>symbols otherwise this list will tear me apart.
Oh well, let me try: what these two crazy people (Peswani and Danijel) are
talking about has NOTHING to do with experiences of nirvikalpa samadhi. You
can enter nirvikalpa samadhi every day and still be unable to function even
in the astral plane fully. In the April, 1994, I entered full nirvikalpa
samadhi, and that was no end, by no means, it was some sort of a beginning.
Yes, I realised Myself as One, without the other. Absolute Subject.
Sat-cit-ananda. Some of my students have also had experiences of savikalpa
and nirvikalpa samadhi. So what? I have heard of people having nirvikalpa
samadhi experiences very much like mine triggered by accident or LSD trip.
It means you simply "switch" from perception of self as a human being to
the Existence, not perception of Self because in Self there is no
perception, and no one to perceive. I Am. And there is no other. So much
for that part of the story. There are several ways of dealing with that:
one is to say that it is the only game in town and everybody should become
"self-realised", meaning, enter samadhi and just ignore your relative
existence as something of no meaning whatsoever, compared to the infinite
reality of Self. But why the evolution then? What's the point? At the same
time I am this body, and all the other bodies, and I am nothing of that.
And I evolve, in all those bodies, to reach on the outside what is
eternally true on the inside. Where there is no difference between samsara
and nirvana. Where there is nothing to go back to, that is not Self.
Samadhi is also experience, that comes and goes. When there is no samadhi
to go to, and no relative body to return to, there is only nirvana. That's
what the two of us freaks are talking about and working on. :) Now I would
say "just my 2 cents" but I have no idea what the hell it's supposed to
mean, except that it sounds cool to say. :)
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Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:56:27 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA/My last day
Message-ID: <351F967B.BF998BE1ATnospamerols.com>
What would I do if I knew this were my last day here? The first thing that
comes to mind to straighten the house, do laundry, cook a bit to leave behind
for the guys, write a couple of letters to the people who matter...that's
about it. Pack up my clothes for the appropriate charities. Pet the cats,
make love to my husband, hug my son. All of the time humming with joy.
At least I wouldn't need to pack!
:-) Orea
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:07:10 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
CC: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Subliminal Message to Everyone
Message-ID: <351FA706.DE42C55FATnospamgeocities.com>
Jason S. White wrote:
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> Excellent diction and use of imagery! Profound metaphors! Dazzling!
> I can now, with no further doubt or question, declare that I can read
> subliminal email. Happy day! Here's my response:
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> What do you think?
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> Jason.
Hello Jason !
Good to know that your thought process is totally uninvolved when you
write.
For me, I think, as I have nothing else to do.
Anandajyoti.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens.Forum/6782
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:11:08 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>, Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Subliminal Message to Everyone
Message-ID: <351FA7F2.13484421ATnospamgeocities.com>
anandajyoti wrote:
> Jason S. White wrote:
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> > Excellent diction and use of imagery! Profound metaphors! Dazzling!
> > I can now, with no further doubt or question, declare that I can read
> > subliminal email. Happy day! Here's my response:
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> > What do you think?
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> > Jason.
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> Hello Jason !
> Good to know that your thought process is totally uninvolved when you
> write.
> For me, I think, as I have nothing else to do.
Added later when I really thought.===== I think of no- thing.
> Anandajyoti.
> http://www.geocities.com/Athens.Forum/6782
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:20:21 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Subliminal Message to Everyone
Message-ID: <351F9C16.ED3E1F35ATnospamerols.com>
Your message spoke to me of love. Perfect love, perfect acceptance. Freely
offered, offered for free. (I'm seeing a yard sale with a cardboard "free
box" at the end of the driveway.) Just ask. No need to push, there's enough
for everybody. It'll be here when you're ready, just come by and get some.
Great message, great energy content. Oooh, I feel gooood!
Orea :-]
Imtgxxx wrote:
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> xxxtg <~~~ (Opening mouth only to change feet)
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> http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
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> * Take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila *
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