1998/03/30 02:02
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #245
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 245
Today's Topics:
Re: pranayama [ Stuart <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com> ]
Newbie [ odie <odieATnospamvelocity.net> ]
Re: Foolproof Test For Enlightenment [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
*IMPORTANT* Enlightened Subliminal M [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Sublimin [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: street lights and K? [ dticeATnospamaccessone.com (Dr. Daniel Tic ]
Re: PRANAYAMA [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: chalta hai (fwd) [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
What is Enlightenment? [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: What is Enlightenment? [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: What is Enlightenment? [ "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch ]
Re: (fwd) Re: bubble spells [ dticeATnospamaccessone.com (Dr. Daniel Tic ]
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:34:05 -0700
From: Stuart <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>
To: joemillerATnospamhotmail.com
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: pranayama
Message-ID: <351F049C.4D1867E1ATnospamdimensional.com>
Joseph,
I did a reply to the earlier thread on this topic a week ago, no one
responded. I'll take this opportunity to once again say that warnings
without specific information is basically meaningless and amounts to old
wifes tales that a woman can get pregnant by sitting on a toilet bowl.
Cigarette manufacturers very specifically label there packages with
conditions that may arise from smoking.
This is not to say that there is validity in using caution and guidance
under a good teacher. I'm not arguing that point. I also have not read one
iota of the "dangers" of pranayama outside of the guideline to proceed
slowly and practically.
There are many things that are dangerous. The insurance companies have a
policy called "accidental death and disfigurement". In this world, as I'm
sure in most, there are many things that are dangerous. Instead of making
wide general statements that are nothing more then "scare tactics", you
could, if you are really interested in providing useful information present
a more "scientific" approach with facts, processes and collected "lab" data.
Namaste,
Stuart
Joseph Miller wrote:
> I don't want to get into the debate on pranayama but feel responsible to
> make onne comment on the issue of breath retention and pranayama in
> general.
>
> If you're going to do pranayama, beyond the universally recognized safe
> things like slow restful "belly" breathing or what many westerners call
> alternate nostral breathing, have or get a good well-trained teacher,
> not just a good book!
>
> Breath retention or force exhaling, other than that instructed by a good
> teacher, is dangerous and potentially damaging to one's health and K
> process.
>
> This all goes back to teachings that have been passed down (and "on the
> books") for several thousand years. It isn't new and it isn't something
> I or my teacher have come up with.
>
> If you want to screw up either your health or process or both, have at
> it! My duty is to point out the dangers what you choose to do is your
> business.
>
> Namaste,
>
> Joe
>
> ______________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:34:00 -0500
From: odie <odieATnospamvelocity.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <>
Subject: Newbie
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greetings to all,
I am new to the list and know i have much to learn. i have done some
studying on K
but really know nothing and am hoping that all of you will be patient
with me and help
me to get K rising and used to gain "Enlinghtment". My email name is
odie but i am
called Joe for lack of a better name.
--
MZ‰
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:43:28 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com
Cc: plslalATnospamemail.msn.com, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Foolproof Test For Enlightenment!
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In a message dated 98-03-29 21:20:10 EST, mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com writes:
<< But this idea that you are not enlightened if you use personal pronouns,
does not make much sense to me. >>
Harsha: Oh Angelique sometimes you really make me laugh. You are so funny and
yet so profound. You are quite right of course. There is no relationship
between the use of personal pronouns and enlightenment. Where do you get these
ideas? Hopefully from nothing I said! The same exact sentences convey
different meanings to different people. That is the both the beauty and the
limitation of language. The Only Real Talk is Heart Talk. And That
is................................................................
.......................................................Harsha
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:26:25 EST
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Subliminal Message to Everyone
Message-ID: <1b6fd617.351f1ef3ATnospamaol.com>
xxxtg <~~~ (Opening mouth only to change feet)
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
* Take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila *
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:44:07 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: *IMPORTANT* Enlightened Subliminal Message to Everyone
Message-ID: <351F2308.2B321C41ATnospamgeocities.com>
Imtgxxx wrote:
> xxxtg <~~~ (Opening mouth only to change feet)
>
> http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
>
> * Take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila *
Very much eye catching indeed. and make it double tall on the tequila to go
with tango.
Anandajyoti
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:25:37
From: dticeATnospamaccessone.com (Dr. Daniel Tice) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: street lights and K?
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(list Mystress to Dr. Daniel.. you sent this to the -request address. I
redirected it ofor you.)
But many times the lights go out across the street from where my car is.
Also, on busy streets and busy freeways, why wouldn't the lights go off
constantly as each car passed by? (not to discount your explanation below,
which certainly must also contribute to these events when conditions are
ripe).
I also like to think these are "angelic" events... I must have heard that
somewhere in the past - that every time a street lamp dies, this is an
angel letting us know it's here protecting us... Angels or K energy
phenomena, it's nice for me to know it's been happening to others, too!
>>Just a question from a curious newcomer: has anyone else noticed a
>>tendency for street lights to go out when you're around them? It
>>seems to me that this happens with inordinate frequency to me, and
>>I've heard others on occasion mention the same phenomenon....
>>
>>__________________& Delirium replied________
>>
>>I have, and have also dubbed it "my guardian angel (daffy duck) flying
>>into the light poles" syndrome...
>>
>><grinning>...but seriously, yes, it happens to me all the time. I
>>wondered for a while if maybe my car headlights had a "dazzling" effect
>>on the mercury vapor lights and made them "go out" for a moment...
>
>As far as I know, street lights are equipped with light sensors - if the
>environmental light is over a threshold (daytime), they turn off, if it is
>below (night time) they turn on. Simple. If the environmental light is
>close to the threshold and it is still considered daytime, and you pass
>near a sensor, and your shadow falls on it, it will decide it is night and
>the lights will turn on. If it is night, and you are driving by a sensor,
>and the lights of your car fall on the sensor, it will decide it is daytime
>and will turn off the street light. That is the explanation that makes most
>sense with street lights, which are AFAIK the most frequent subject of the
>ESP/psychokinetic powers talk. :) I had frequent problems with my computer
>some time ago - it behaved strange and crashed all the time. Well, if I
>were listening to all that talk, I'd be doing grounding exercises and
>bubble spells - and God knows I was close to that, I couldn't find out what
>was wrong with the #$%#& thing. :) It wasn't K, though, I had two 16 MB
>SIMMs that were either defective or couldn't get along well with the
>motherboard - so I replaced them. No grounding exercises or bubble spells
>needed, and the computer works like a dream now. :)
>So before you go jumping to conclusions about K outbursts, and you begin
>panicking about something being seriously wrong with you (or telling people
>"look what I've done! like, wow!":))), look for a bit more grounded
>explanation, please. :)))
>On the other hand, I know people who burned electronic equipment while they
>were seriously pissed, but these cases were always very clear to determine
>- they are _seriously_ ungrounded folks, they even feel like balloons
>flying around doing things just to see that they can do them, and they are
>not in touch with the moment, with themselves, with their environment and
>their lives - and unfortunately they have great personal energy. Well, just
>a few thoughts. :)
>
>-----
>E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
>Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:49:53
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Stuart <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>
Cc: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>, keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu,
930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA
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OK. Stuart, I wrote this post on Feb 23, and sat on it.. it's kind of
dark.. here ya go.
Hmm.. dunno much about pranayama but I can guess..
I used to have a beloved, who was K. awakened, deeply depressed to the
point of contemplating suicide, and addicted to autoerotic asphyxia as a
result of birth defects that caused him to NDE from lack of oxygen several
times, as a child.
I do not allow those games in my playroom, they scare the crap outa me,
instinctively. Brains need oxygen to stay healthy. Specific amounts of
oxygen, hyperventilating is no good either.
I spend more time in my playroom reminding folks who are holding their
breath unconsciously, in anticipation, to BREATHE!
I could not find the guts to watch over him, I could not persuade him
with all my arts, to give up his solitary pleasure. his shame in it,
knowing it was self destructive only added to his sorrow, so I tried to
give him love and acceptance, as well as I was able.
Being around me tended to lift his depression, but it was a temporary
solace, and away from me he would dive into it, to the point of feeling
unworthy of allowing my attentions to pull him out of it again. So, I knew
his depression was connected to his K, but I presumed his addiction to
breathlessness was a symptom, not the cause.. tuning into the story behind
the story of these warnings, I see it differently. Hindsight..
The lines in his hands foretold it, I had seen them and tried to change
his fate: it was not mine, to change. Attempting, streached me beyond
myself, and I am grateful to him who taught me so much, by being my student.
his death was listed as "accidental suicide", but I think he went to a
place, where depression wasn't, and decided at last minute not to come back.
I remember reading the story of a woman last year, who had gone into her
yoga class feeling depressed, and during the meditation spontaneously
decided to end it all and just stop breathing. She nearly succeeded, too,
going into the tunnel and all, before her higher self kicked her back into
her body with a thump and a gasp, to open her eyes and find her yoga
teacher staring at her terrified. He had noticed she was not breathing, and
beginning to change color...
Brains need oxygen.. I remember in junior high school we studied India,
with those National Geographic films of siddhis doing strange things,
families living on inherited patches of sidewalk and bodies floating down
the Ganges... yoikes.. culture shock fer this little white grrl in her
nearly all white Catholic school.
I remember looking at the fakirs and noticing some seemed alive with
life, very spiritual, and others, most notably a fella who'd been standing
on his head for years, had a vacant gaze like there was just no brain left
in there at all. Nothing too holy about it, just brain damaged.
No offense intended.. it was the thoughts of a child.. but it does seem
to me that depriving your brain of oxygen, or keeping it upside down for
years might kill more of it than just your ego.. ya know what I mean?
Dangerous stuff.
An excellent movie about "free divers", "The Big Blue" is one of my
favorites.. It is an adaptation of a true story. The hero is a french yogi
who has mastered breath control to be able to dive to incredible depths
without an oxygen tank. The film has another diver trying to break his
record with sheer will power and dying of the bends.
But if the actor playing the world free diving champion and world record
holder is portraying the charachter accurately, he gives the impression of
a simpleton.
I got a similar impression from a yogi who demonstrated how he could be
folded up and locked into a tiny airtight plexiglass box for 1/2 hour
without suffocating, years ago on the TV show, "That's Incredible".
However, to be fair, he may simply have been in deep trance in preparation
for his feat... and afterwards..
But I still cannot understand why Yogis who go into samadhi and stop
breathing and exit this mortal coil are glorified?? I just don't get it..
suicide is suicide, even if one does learn to be very tidy about it. Why
are there no true immortals?
I'll wear this body till Goddess decides otherwise, meantime I'll make
sure it keeps breathing. She has put me on this planet and here I'll stay...
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:46:59
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>,
kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: chalta hai (fwd)
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At 12:07 28/03/98 -0500, Harsh Luthar wrote:
>Peswani wrote and described his symptoms of enlightenment:
>> Dear Peshwani writes further: But I lost this enlightement, because a
desire was
>> creeping in to share this wonderful science of enlightment with friends and
>> colleagues.
>
>Harsha: Look, with your body smelling like perfume and tongue tasting like
nectar
>(plus other things having to do with calls of nature which I do not wish to
>mention), you should have just kept quiet and made your wife happy.
Harsha, whatzup with telling Peswani what he "should" do..?? Yikes!
You probably meant it to be funny, but take another look, OK?
This "I'm more enlightened that you" oneupmanship's gotta go. Sorry to be
jdgemental... but ... Cool it, OK? Everybody?
Peswani is speaking of his personal experiences and perspective, which
are perfect for him. I would have more folks being so open as to share
such, without being afraid of 'being torn to pieces by buddhists.' or
Christians, or Crustaceans. or controlling sadists..
We can discuss these subjects without offering each other disrespect.
Takes just a bit more effort to frame words according to personal
experience, or other references one has encountered, instead of projecting
one's own judgements on another in an effort to change them... and I have
no doubt that all parties present are capable of choosing to be more
respectful of other?? Agree to disagree, but easy on the scorn, please.
For my part, as a "not very scholarly in the sanskit Dept.", Peswani has
sometimes explained things in ways that made sense when other folks ideas
didn't, and for this I am grateful to this Master.. and I don't think being
totally enlightened necessarily means freedom from pain, as many martyrs
have shown. I do think it means showing a lot of love, and this he has
done. Even if he does "shout" (capitals) occasionally.
>> Peshwani wrote some more: And one day I sat for this awareness suniata
meditation
>> with detrmination to reach the source of this desire.I refused this
bliss of sat
>> chit annand and went deeper into meditation to end once for all this
small desire
>> creeping in again and again, so that I
>> can end this desire once for all .
Beloved, did you ever consider that sat chit annand might have been the
source? That it might have been the answer to your question that you
refused, that caused your crash?
This reminds me a lot of a trip in the void I had once, that it took me a
long time to understand the meaning of.
The short form.. I resisted the darkness/fears/that were coming up as I
danced in the void meditating on a vision I wished to manifest.. a way of
earning a living that would be fun and joyous and earn enough money to do
more good works. I was afire with this vision, exploring it into fullness.
Problems that could come up were being presented, and immediately solved by
endless creativity, with each one making making the vision better and
better, stronger and more clear. The dark fears were fueling my creativity,
but I stupidly got impatient with the process and tried to get rid of them
all.. why can I not have only light? Why do I need these fears and limiting
ideas coming up???
Well, I'll give you the short form to that one, too.. I was nearly eaten
alive by fear panic terror I could not get grounded from, no matter what I
did. Now I was still in the void, but posessed by fear of what I would
create out of my fear.. Oy.. I felt on the edge of losing my mind. I called
on friends and got balanced again.
It took me a long time to realize that that fear had come from the Light,
which is All that Is, anyways.. to keep me from trying to do something
very stupid. Chop out half my tao. Life just doesn't work like that.. fear
is a gift of light, too.. it motivates and offers "other" so we have
reference to appreciate love better. Light and Dark both, to create all the
textures and colors of our beautiful world.
The desire you resisted, when you were enlightened, the wanting to share
your bliss.. mebbie it was there to keep you motivated on your path, in the
highest good. What does a Boddhisattva want, but for all beings to become
free??
I dunno, but it seems that it is the desire to reach enlightenment to
better the condition of all of humanity, (service to other) that is the
fasttrack to "getting there"... selfish motives don't work.. unconditional
love/acceptance/desire for bliss for all beings is the vehicle to get
there, and the way to stay there, and perhaps it was wanting to be free of
the desire, that was the selfishness that altered your state. It was that
desire that brought you there inna first place, wasn't it?
It is said we are never given a desire, without being also given the
power to fulfill it.
Not to be without desire, but to have all of desire fixed to a single
focus.. service to other.. that is what I understand of your experience of
enlightenment.
What I know: acts of compassion, ain't supposed to hurt. It is we, who
think we must take on the suffering of others in order to heal it.. I
believe Goddess protects the compassionate with grace. The desire to heal
comes from Goddess, that which is to be healed comes from Her also, to
provide another opportunity for love to be shared.
She will provide what is needed to make healing manifest, without
sacrifice or pain.
Without the Boddhisattva desire I think you might have lost the will to
live altogether. Why stay in the world, if there is nothing to impel you to
movement?
If enlightenment causes immortality, why are there no immortals? Seems
from the tales, they all eventually get bored with life and exit. Suicide
by any other name. Copping out of the game.
I am thinking that perhaps asking to be enlightened in order to be
better able to share your bliss, trusting the Desire is an essential part
of you or it would not have remained in your enlightened state, might be
the path back there.
Give love and acceptance to darkness, or it'll bite yer butt, is what I
learned.. don't judge the purpose, trust and give love and the purpose
shows up all silver linings shiny bright creativity.
What about a different prayer.. not, "free me from this desire", but
"grant me what I need to satisfy it." You can share more light, if you have
more, yourself.. and we are given it best, when we ask for it on behalf of
another.
I feel that your re-enlightenment is only a shift of thought away..
You said, the Self is black. Some folks laughed, I was not one.. I
pondered this for some time.
I agree with you, I think.. first came darkness, then light.. the void is
Black, lit by stars of light that are the seeds of creation in it's soil.
Seeds come from underground, humans come from the darkness of the womb, all
thought comes from the darkness of the unconscious.. stars themselves are
birthed in the blackness of space. All comes from the darkness moving
toward the light.
One of the most powerful manifestations of Self I carry within, is the
Fire Serpent.. it is black, and iridescent beautiful flashing all colors
like a raven's wing.. and it moves thru brilliant fire without being
burned. The light only causes it to reflect rainbows. It is black, but it
is always surrounded by fire. The fire perhaps is a part of it also. It's Tao.
If the Self is black, and if we associate black with desire, then desire
is what we are.. and in trying to release all desire, you released also
your sense of SELF.
Love is all that Is, and it is desire that motivates us to love. Someone
posted, "Why does God need us?" The chanelled answer, "Because Love
requires an object". So even Creator has needs and desires, or we would not
Be.
I believe the most powerful desires come straight from Goddess, and so my
path is to follow my bliss. Needs themselves are not good or bad, they are
just who we are.. it is how we choose to get our needs met, and whether we
choose to honor them with love and acceptance, that is the sticking place.
Hey, I oughta know.. as a repressed sadist, I was a person who sometimes
did harm, and recognised enjoyment with huge guilt and defensiveness. When
I accepted and gave love to the unconscious aspect of myself that was
operating that way, and asked the purpose, a whole world unfolded to me. A
place where my impulses to create fear and pain translate into bliss,
because they are desired. Round and round it goes. Negative judgements mess
us up.
********
This thread and another have caused me to ponder the words of a wise grey
witch, who told me that "Enlightenment is a cultural myth".
The efforts of the list to define enlightenment, each time the subject
has come up (it is a recurring thread) has resembled the story of the blind
men and the elephant. We are not describing fact, we are describing
mythology. Arguing about the length of the Unicorn's horn, and whether it's
hooves are cloven.
I have come to a place where I look at "enlightenment" in a pragmatic
literal sense. Do they feel lighter, and seem to be light, are they filled
with more love and joy and belly laughter than before? Then they have been
en-light-ened.
Good enough. I don't think it is a process that ever really ends, and the
measuring we do is for the benefit of our egos. As soon as you say "I am
more enlightened than you", you are making an ego judgement that shoots yer
own enlightenment inna foot.
The symbol of the Tao is of light and dark in perfect balance.. not light
wiping dark out of existence. I don't think the way to unity is rejecting
our duality, but rather giving love to all that we are. We find the unity
when we choose to see it.
Robert A. Hienlien is one of my Gurus.. and he defined love as "when the
happiness and wellbeing of another outweighs all other considerations.."
(sic) and mebbie that is a good description of enlightenment, too.. When
the happiness and wellbeing of All others out weighs all other
considerations.
Total unconditional love, total service to other.. does that sound funny
coming from Mystress?
yea, that is why I became a Dominatrix.. my own sadistic narcissistic
controlling impulses were not enough, to get past my repression. It was
discovering the need of others to feel that energy in order to feel
cherished and accepted, that drew me out, and gave me permission to
explore. Permission to begin to give love to my repressed dark aspects, on
discovering they were needed by someone to be healed. I did not love myself
enough, so I needed to be motivated by reasons bigger than me..:)
We are healed thru each other, St. Germain said.. and it was the love the
submisives gave to my rejected controlling self, that allowed me to accept
my perfection and move forward into honoring the values of leadership.
Accepting the power I have, to serve by appearing to lead. The duality is
inherent in all things.
Well, that's my rambling for today... thanks fer yer patience..
blessings, Mystress.
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:01:48 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: What is Enlightenment?
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Thanks to the habit of solving so called "Mensa" riddles, this biological
unit (a convenient means of referring to someone with the "I" missing) was
pondering over the hidden meaning of "What is Enlightenment?"
It can be written as follows: WHAT is Enlightenment?
WHAT stands for: "We Hold A Torch" so the phrase becomes:
We Hold A Torch is Enlightenment? and the answer is yes, what else!
Unit jb02 " For every crazy question, there is at least one clever answer"
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:39:47 -0800
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: What is Enlightenment?
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I thought I'd add my two bits.
Here are a series of questions and answers zen-masters have given to this
question of the ages.
...
"Where is my treasure house?"
"What your asking is your treasure house."
...
"What is Buddha?"
"This flax weighs three pounds."
...
"What is Buddha?"
"Dried dung."
...
"What is Buddha?"
"The mind is Buddha."
...
"What is Buddha?"
"The mind is not Buddha."
...
"What is true happiness?"
"Is this a zen koan?"
Dan M.
Note I have abridged these quite a bit.
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:56:04 +0200
From: "Jason S. White" <zymphtATnospambluewin.ch>
To: "E Jason" <lobsterATnospamclara.net>, "kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: What is Enlightenment?
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Lobster wrote:
>on 29 Mar 98, Jason S. White wrote...
>
>>Yes. It is my belief in the interpretation, my insistance on requiring
>>explanation, my assuredness that what I read is Absolutely True that
blinds
>>me, not your inadequacy of expressing the inexplissable.
>>But I love that inadequacy. That mystery.
>
>Everything is imperfect
>but there is nothing wrong with that
>Love is inadequate for that mystery that is Absolutely inexpressable
>
Yet there is nothing mysterious about that mystery. It is present here and
now for us to fail to understand. Is it love or is it Love that is
inadequate? What's the True Difference? Is it simply a Capital Letter that
invokes a Different Interpretation? My Interpretation now sees, love and
Love are inadequate to fail to understand that mystery whose concealment is
revealed presently.
What is adequate? This tumble of words, thoughts, forms, emotions and
sensations is adequate for that mystery. Absolute Simplicity.
love and Love,
Jason.
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:02:36
From: dticeATnospamaccessone.com (Dr. Daniel Tice) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: bubble spells
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I was just asking another friend about this myself... I drive home in the
dark every night from work - about a half hour drive between two cities -
almost every single night a street lamp has gone out as I drive by it or am
parked at a red light. One night I was in a coworker's office when the
streetlamp went out right outside his window - after a minute or so it came
back on! My son says I'm making a big deal out of nothing - that this
happens to him frequently, too. But, honestly, this has been almost every
night - on all different side streets and freeways! Is this common with
the K?
>
>Just a question from a curious newcomer: has anyone else noticed a
>tendency for street lights to go out when you're around them? It
>seems to me that this happens with inordinate frequency to me, and
>I've heard others on occasion mention the same phenomenon....
>
>Warm regards,
>Bob
>--
>Bob Trevithick
>rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
>
>--
>Bob Trevithick
>rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
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