1998/03/29 08:55
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #243
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 243
Today's Topics:
Re: What is Enlightenment? [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: What is Enlightenment? [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: Re: No self? [ "Peter L. Sutphen" <plslalATnospamemail.ms ]
Re: (no subject) [ "Peter L. Sutphen" <plslalATnospamemail.ms ]
Re: Foolproof Test For Enlightenment [ "Peter L. Sutphen" <plslalATnospamemail.ms ]
Re: What is Enlightenment? [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Foolproof Test For Enlightenment [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Tests [ Richard <rpowellATnospampcug.org.au> ]
a vision [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Tests [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Desire... [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: (no subject) [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: ? [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: (no subject) [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: chalta hai (fwd) [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Re: (no subject) [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
Masters who Suffer [ "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospammacsru ]
Aye, fight! [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: What is Enlightenment? [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: What is Enlightenment? [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:16:20 -0500
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: What is Enlightenment?
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Hi,
Hillary wrote:
>Isn't everybody, without exception, enlightened? We just don't know it.
I don't think so. I think enlightenment is to consciously KNOW what you
are---not to intellectualize about it, not to believe it, not to think you
know, but to really and fully KNOW without one iota of doubt.
Sharon
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Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:26:18 -0800
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: Sharon Webb <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What is Enlightenment?
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Sharon Webb wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Hillary wrote:
>
> >Isn't everybody, without exception, enlightened? We just don't know it.
>
> I don't think so. I think enlightenment is to consciously KNOW what you
> are---not to intellectualize about it, not to believe it, not to think you
> know, but to really and fully KNOW without one iota of doubt.
I don't even think you CONSCIOUSLY know. One meditation master opened a
lecture I was at with the sentence:
"The apprehension of truth is the root of all ignorance."
Dan M.
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:28:13 -0500
From: "Peter L. Sutphen" <plslalATnospamemail.msn.com>
To: "Afperry" <AfperryATnospamaol.com>, <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Re: No self?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: No self?
>In a message dated 25/3/98 4:09:55 pm, you wrote:
>
>>atman is this permanent unchanging something.......
No, Atman is not a permanent, unchanging "something." This is the best the
mind can do in its attempt to conceptualize the Self. It takes a
"something" and tries to make that permanent. The Self can not be
conceptualized by the mind. The mind looks at the Self and "experiences"
complete emptiness and a feeling of utter terror arises. The Self is
"no-thing" It is not an experience. It is not percieved. It "wakes-up" to
itself. You can see the limitation of language here. English as well as
most other languages arise from the experience of waking state. There is
the implicit assumption of a subject and an object. The Self is neither an
object nor a subject. It is outside the duality of waking state (notice the
problem inherent in refering to the Self as "it"-The Self is not an it; it
is not an object.)
>I would agree that the concept of unceasing change is universal to
Buddhism.
>But there are many Buddhists who accept this concept while still believing
>that there is a soul that reincarnates from life to life - in other words,
>that the soul is enduring but not necessarily permanent.
This is only held onto because there is still a sense of "I" and "mine".
That sense of unique individuality is a product of identification with the
object of experience. When this identification stops the "I" or sense of
individuality vanishes. Everything is just the same, but there is no self
there! There is no "I" that is having an experience. This is very hard to
describe because of the limitations of language. There is no "I" but the
"individuality" continues. "You" are not the individuality though. "You"
are not "there"
>After all, what is a soul? Is it not just an agglomeration of energies, our
>karma (whatever terminology one might wish to use) and of course this
cannot
>be permanent. But does that mean it does not exist?
This whole concept of "our karma" is created out of identification with
experience. Existence and non-existence are concepts that the mind uses
only in reference to experience. According to the function of the mind the
Self does not exist because it can not be experienced the way one
experiences a thought or an emotion or anythingelse for that matter.
>Depends on your definition, I suppose!
Definitions are relative. They change rather rapidly as the Self wakes-up
to itself!
-Peter
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:37:59 -0500
From: "Peter L. Sutphen" <plslalATnospamemail.msn.com>
To: "Peswani" <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>,
"Dan Margolis" <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Cc: "Kundalini Mailing List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Cc: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 3:46 AM
Subject: Re: (no subject)
>
>From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
>DAN...
>
> When you first wrote about being enlightened. I did not
>wonder either way whether you were enlightened or not. My
>suspicion was that you had an epiphany not enlightenment,
>because true enlightenment does not receed after 45 days.
Good point
>SHAHANSHAH...WHAT IS ENLIGHTMENT IN YOUR DEFINITION. AND IF
>YOU HAD NO EXPERIENCE OF ENLIGHTMENT PLEASE SHUT UP. :))))))
Enlightenment is not an experience!
>DAN......However, this posting leaves me no doubt. An
>enlightened person does not care about loneliness.
An enlightened person might care or not care as perceived by another, but
there is no "I" that is caring or not caring. It is just the movement of
the gunas amongst themselves (to use some vedic concepts)
>An enlightened person has no ego
Amen!
>SHAHANSHAH....ENLIGHTMENT IS AN EXPERIENCE. OTHEWISE YOUR ALL
>ABOVE STATEMENTS ARE CORRECT
Enlightenment is not an "experience"!!!!!!!!!!
>DAN.......You are alone and lonely because you have chosen this.
>You suffer because of your ego. You suffer because of your
>delusions. Your greatest delusion is that your someone
>special, a person around whom the universe revolves. The
>universe will keep chugging along with or without you Mr.
>Peshwani. There was a time before your birth, a time before
>your 'enlightenment,' all still moved along.
>SHAHANSHAH...I AM NOT LONELY NOR DELUSIONED, NOR AM I SUFFERING IN MY
NORMAL
>LIFE BUT I AM SPECIAL AND LONELY IN MY BHODDHISATTVAHOOD . i LEFT MY
>ENLIGHTMENT WAY BEHIND.
All these personal pronouns aluding to an individuality. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
>DAN...... Your quest to encompass all with your ego has created
>your barrier to enlightened masters. You've probably
>encountered a hundred masters that could have helped you on
>your way. Each of them were sad that they could not help
>you because you had created a barrier where you thought you
>needed no help. If you believe you can learn from others
>you will learn.
Amen, redeux!
-Peter
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:44:00 -0500
From: "Peter L. Sutphen" <plslalATnospamemail.msn.com>
To: <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>, "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Foolproof Test For Enlightenment!
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From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Saturday, March 28, 1998 3:59 PM
Subject: Foolproof Test For Enlightenment!
>Foolproof Test for Enlightenment:
>
>1.Check to see if you have or experience a body (gross and or subtle).
>
>If you do you are certainly not enlightened.(sorry)
>
>DO NOT PANIC!
>
>You may repeat this test again.
>(Though no one has ever passed it)
Nah! You got the wrong end of the equation! Check for a "you". If none is
found then "you" are enlightened. But "you" can't check for a "you" in
enlightenment. And you know this!
-Peter
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:59:12 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What is Enlightenment?
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In a message dated 98-03-28 18:14:04 EST, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu writes:
<< I think enlightenment is to consciously KNOW what you
are---not to intellectualize about it, not to believe it, not to think you
know, but to really and fully KNOW without one iota of doubt.
>>
Harsha: Hillary was right in a way, but you stated it beautifully and clearly.
Self Knows It Self without thought or doubt. There can be absolutely no room
for doubt when there is Self-Recognition. The Self is the Core of Reality.
Underlying all forms of experience, It is the perpetual and the eternal spring
of Knowledge and knows no end or limit.
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:12:56 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: plslalATnospamemail.msn.com, david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Foolproof Test For Enlightenment!
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In a message dated 98-03-28 20:47:34 EST, plslalATnospamemail.msn.com writes:
<< Nah! You got the wrong end of the equation! Check for a "you". If none
is
found then "you" are enlightened. But "you" can't check for a "you" in
enlightenment. And you know this!
>>
Harsha: Beautiful! Clear, simple and delightful. Indeed "Who" remains to check
for "anything."
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 08:00:45 +1000
From: Richard <rpowellATnospampcug.org.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Tests
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Why does it seem sometimes that life is a series of tests?
Richard
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:39:10 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: a vision
Message-ID: <351DB44D.9E2C9099ATnospammail.snet.net>
Seagull over a sea of distortion.
Misery and pain.
The poisonous rain.
Blesses me.
At the alter of some sacred place.
A dove this time races toward eternity.
It is still.
Light waves beam through clouds of persuasion.
There's a woman,
A goddess I suppose.
She picks up another shell.
Inspects it for clues.
Shakes her head and tosses it aside.
She looks straight at the sky.
Ninety degrees.
And says,
"On this infinite beach I've searched
the life span of universes and still found nothing."
A voice I suppose from the voice I addressed
Vibrated from within my body.
My soul.
"I'm am in here.."
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 22:32:18 EST
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: rpowellATnospampcug.org.au
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Tests
Message-ID: <5c39ce4d.351dc0c4ATnospamaol.com>
Richard asked.... Why does it seem sometimes that life is a series of tests?
Because you think it is?
Is this a test question?
xxxtg <~~~~ Below Average Student (but A's in Drama Class)
* Sometimes you have to take the test before you've finished studying *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 04:54:06 +0100
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Desire...
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Dear MacMan,
you wrote: >My ego tells me that in order to satiate these desires, I have
to
>fulfill them. My ego tells me that if I don't achieve them, then those
>"causes" will fall apart and die.
If you can say: "my ego", sure you can say who "you" are, the "owner" of the
ego? If "you" are the one in charge, you can just say "shut up!" to the ego,
isn´t it? It doesn´t mean you have to ‘give up´ desires - convert them into
data that you can use by blending worldly and spiritual life together. IMO,
Gandhi was a very good example of this. You could do the same... your way,
of course.
>I have a desire to become a well known Macintosh evangelist, who engages
>in countless activities to help raise the consciousness of those in the
>computing industry that Macintosh is one of the best computer platforms
>available. I know that in terms of truth this is not important, but I
>still feel that it is.
Everyone with a basic understanding of cisc, risc etc knows this already -
remember the cpu that accepted forth and its fate? The ‘average user´ is
only interested in results - a computer is just a tool. There are a few
continents with a high degree of computer illiteracy and hardly any access
to basic information that could be used to increase harvests, improve health
etc. They don´t care about cpu´s either, but then, loyalty obliges, so you
could combine things.
>I have a desire to start my own digital video production company and
>produce media materials and programs that pertain to Truth. I would like
>to infiltrate Mass Media (TV & Hollywood) with productions and programs
>that bring Truth principles and examples of people living in Truth into
>the mainstream culture.
If you could force people to watch, maybe it would help... If not, your
programs would only be popular with those, who know already and don´t really
need it - again with the exception of those with little or no access to the
modern media. If you become "Living Truth" yourself, it will be easier.
>I have a desire to complete my research and development of a Free energy
>device that will put an end to fossil fuel consumption overnight and
>equalize all of the economies of the world.
You better think again. Present day economy is based on growth and
exploitation of people and resources. Your free energy would mean
destruction of many existing assets. In economic terms, complete collapse of
wall-street etc. First, design an economy that is founded on well-being,
continuity and stability. Only then, free energy will be very valuable.
Somewhere I read that with enlightenment it is a bit as with fresh air: If
you are suffocating from smoke you think about nothing else, but if you are
breathing it, there isn´t even the slightest thought about it...
Jan
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:14:18 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
Cc: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>,
Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
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From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
Hi Peswani,
What made you to go in search for saints in
Himalayas? Was it know what was happening to you or to
see that noone is like you.
Love,
anurag
IN MID JULY 94, I STARTED LOSING THE GAINS OF ENLIGHTMENT SLOWLY
WITH TIME. THOUGH I WOULD PUT MORE EFFORT IN MEDITATION (8 TO 10 HRS) DAILY,
I WAS LOSING MY BATTLE WITH ENLIGHTMENT. i BECAME DESPARATE AFTER A FEW
MONTHS OF FAILURE. I HAD TO SEEK GUIDENCE. A FRANATIC SEARCH FOR GURU
STARTED ALROUND. THIS TOOK ME TO HIMALYAS.
SHAHANSHAH
>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:21:34 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Cc: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: ?
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Dan wrote...
When I took my boddhisattva vows, I never felt special or lonely. I could see
unspiritual people that could reach out and help people in ways I hadn't learned
yet. It's a path I follow. It brings me great joy.
How can you leave your enlightenment behind? There are only two permanant
things in this world Nirvana and change. Nirvana is unchanging and cannot be
left behind. My guess is what you left behind is a certain type of attainment.
In this attainment you glimpse emptiness and become free from all laws of karma
for a brief period of time. If you attained true ultimate enlightenment your
soul would be ever unchanging.
I hope that you meet a truly enlightened master that whups you upside the head.
You seem to be unable to do it to yourself properly.
Dan M.
IN MY EXPERIENCE 1)ENLIGHTMENT... TEMPORARY AND FLEETING
2) SELF REALISATION ... KNOWING A PATH FOR WHICH YOU ARE
SEEDED BY HIGHER INTELLIGENT ENERGY.
3) MOKSH OR ARHANT...FREEDOM FROM PHYSICAL BIRTH BY SURRENDER.
4) NIRVANA...FREEDOM FROM PHYSICAL BIRTH THRO EGO.
THESE ARE DIFFERENT STAGES AND I HAVE SENT MANY -LETTERS TO THIS LIST
EXPLAINING THESE DIFFERENCES IN LAST A FEW MONTHS.
SHAHANSHAH
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:51:31 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
Cc: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>,
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kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
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Hi Peswani,
Were you able to find the solution?
Love,
anurag
>
> From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
> Hi Peswani,
> What made you to go in search for saints in
> Himalayas? Was it know what was happening to you or to
> see that noone is like you.
> Love,
> anurag
>
> IN MID JULY 94, I STARTED LOSING THE GAINS OF ENLIGHTMENT SLOWLY
> WITH TIME. THOUGH I WOULD PUT MORE EFFORT IN MEDITATION (8 TO 10 HRS) DAILY,
> I WAS LOSING MY BATTLE WITH ENLIGHTMENT. i BECAME DESPARATE AFTER A FEW
> MONTHS OF FAILURE. I HAD TO SEEK GUIDENCE. A FRANATIC SEARCH FOR GURU
> STARTED ALROUND. THIS TOOK ME TO HIMALYAS.
> SHAHANSHAH
> >
>
>
>
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:58:58 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: chalta hai (fwd)
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SHAHANSHAH HAS REPLIED IN CAPITAL LETTERS
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:07:22 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
Peswani wrote and described his symptoms of enlightenment:
he will smell of perfumes. His tongue will have taste of nectar and his
bowls (shit) will be effortless, clear and instantaneous. he will have
total control over his internal body functions.Such and many more was my
condition for forty five days or so between June 94 and mid July
94.Harsha: I do not know whether to laugh or cry at some of dear
Peshwani's posts. Certainly many of these symptoms have been described in
Hatha Yoga texts. These are results of diet and special pranayama and/or
meditation and indicate good health. People who are other than
"enlightened" may have them. To confuse the body with the Self is not
enlightenment.
HARSHA, HAVE YOU SEEN SELF OR HAVE YOU SEEN ATMA. THERE IS NO SELF OR ATMA.
THERE IS ONLY HIGHLY EVOLVED INTELLIGENT ENERGY(SHAKTI).
ENLIGHTMENT IS TEMPORARY CLEARING OF ASTRAL OR EGO BODY BEFORE SENSES CONVERT
FRESH MATTER INTO ASTRAL KALAPAS.
WHEN THIS ASTRAL BODY IS CLEAR OR TRANSPARENT, ONE IS FREE FROM ALL DESIRES
AND EMOTIONS.HUMAN LIFE IS GENERATING MILLIONS OF ASTRAL KALAPAS EVERY
MOMENT FROM MATTER (SHIVA). KALAPA IS INTELLIGENT VIBERATORY ENERGY. HIGHER
THE VIBERATION HIGHER IS THE PLANE OF EVOLUTION.
THIS UNITY OF BILLIONS OF THESE KALAPAS WHEN CLEARED OF EMOTIONS AND DESIRES
TRANSCEDS TO HIGHER INTELLIGENT VIBERATION OF CAUSAL BODY.
THIS UNIVERSE IS 99% MIND OR EGO OR ASTRAL BODY AND 1% PHYSICAL BODIES. BUT
THIS 1% PHYSICAL BODY IS THE SOURCE FROM WHICH 99% MIND BODIES ARE MADE.
I HAVE NEVER PRACTICED HATHA YOGA, NOR CARED FOR DIET NOR I KNOW ABOUT PRANAYAMA
I HAVE DONE ONLY AWARENESS MEDITATION ON THE TRUTH OF THE MOMENT.
THIS HAS GIVEN ME A SIDDHI OR SENSE TO SEE ANY DISEASE FROM MILES AWAY AND
CAPABILTY TO BURN THIS DISEASE. I BURN EVERYDAY DISEASE KARMAS FROM EARTH
THRO THIS SIDDHI.I EXPECT, I SHALL BE ABLE TO SEE DEATH APPROACHING ME FROM MILES
AWAY AND WILL BE READY FOR IT . I SHALL NOT DIE , BUT JUST SHIFT MY
AWARENESS TO MY CAUSAL BODY TILL I FIND A NEXT FIT PHYSICAL BODY FOR REBIRTH.
MY AWARENESS OF THIS BIRTH WILL REMAIN WITH ME.
> Dear Peshwani writes further: But I lost this enlightement, because a
desire was > creeping in to share this wonderful science of enlightment
with friends and > colleagues.
Harsha: Look, with your body smelling like perfume and tongue tasting like
nectar (plus other things having to do with calls of nature which I do not
wish to mention), you should have just kept quiet and made your wife
happy.
IS IT SO VERY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND ME AND MY ENLIGHTMENT.
WHEN RAMANA MAHARISHI AND RAMAKRISHNA HAD CANCER AT THE END OF LIFE,YOU CAN
IMAGINE THEM HAVING BLISS AND ENLIGHTMENT, AND PAIN OF CANCER SIMULTANEOUSLY
BUT IF SHAAHANSHAH IS HAPPY , HEALTHY YOU CANNOT IMAGINE HIM TO GO BEYOND
ENLIGHTMENT TO BHODDHISATTVA.
DOES SUCH AN INTELLIGENT EXPERIENCED HARSHA NEED SUPPORT OF MILLIONS TO
BELEIVE IN SHAHANSHAH. :))))))
> Peshwani wrote some more: And one day I sat for this awareness suniata
meditation > with detrmination to reach the source of this desire.I
refused this bliss of sat > chit annand and went deeper into meditation to
end once for all this small desire > creeping in again and again, so that
I > can end this desire once for all .
Harsha: What is all this business of sitting with determination, going
deeper, and refusing the bliss of Sat-Chit-Ananda after enlightenment?
"Who" remains after Self Realization to sit with determination, "Who"
remains to go deeper and "Where" exactly can One go! Truth of Reality that
You are does not come and go! How can It? Where would it Go!
YOU ARE AGAIN MIXING UP WORDS. ENLIGHTMENT IS DIFFERENT FROM REALISATION.
AN ALIVE AND KICKING LIFE CANNOT REMAIN ENLIGHTENED FOR LONG BECAUSE IT
CONTINUES TO COLLECT EGO MIND THRO SENSES. DO NOT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE
OF POWER OF GUATAM BUDDHA OR OF GURU NANIK OR OF RAJNESH OR OF HARSHA AND
ALL WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ENLIGHTENED. IF ENLIGHTMENT WAS AN END AND PERMANENT,
WHY THIS DIFFERENCE? OR WHAT WILL BE THE PURPOSE OF ENLIGHTMENT TO UNIVERSE?
DO YOU THINK THAT HIGHER INTELLIGENT VIBERATORY ENERGY(OTHER NAME IS GOD) WILL
WASTE AN ENLIGHTENED LIFE?
HAVE YOU SEEN ANY EGOLESS PERSON. ALL THE GURUS IN INDIA OR HIMALYAS ARE
THE GREATEST EGOISTS. GO NEAR THEM, LIVE WITH THEM AND THEN YOU WILL KNOW.
HARSH SAYS...WHO REMAINS? WHERE EXACTLY ONE GOES?
SHAHANSHAH SAYS THAT THEE ARE BEAUTIFUL ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS. SHAHANSHAH
KNOWS THE ANSWERS AND I HAVE GIVEN ANSWERS ON THIS LIST NINE OR SO MONTHS BACK.
YOU CAN RETRIEVE THE ANSWERS.
O.K. Jerry Katz is right. We need some milk.
HERE IS PLENTY OF MILK, DRINK AND BE HAPPY.
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:07:56 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
Cc: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>,
Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Message-Id: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980329160257.16781B-100000ATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Anurag Goel wrote:
>
>
> Hi Peswani,
> Were you able to find the solution?
>
> Love,
> anurag
YES, I FOUND THE SOLUTION WHILE MEDITATING AND NOT FROM THESE BIG GURUS
I FOUND AND CHANGED TO THE TECHNIQUE OF PRAGYA (PRAJNA AS PER PATANJALI)
MEDITATION AND DISCOVERED THE BUDDHIC PLANE AND THE ART OF TAPPING THE WISDOM
FROM THIS BUDDHIC PLANE.
SHAHANSHAH> > >
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 06:26:02 -0600
From: "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospammacsrule.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Masters who Suffer
Message-ID: <351E3DD8.599AATnospammacsrule.com>
If there are Masters who suffer, they either chose to suffer, or haven't
mastered that suffering is but a choice...
Below is a song I wrote a year ago on the subject
Who do we think we are?
Sitting in a cradle in a cage of our own making
Pretending your creations are out to get you
Living in disease, lack, and fear because you think that
Disease, lack, and fear are what is real for you
Who do you think we are?
Who do you think you are?
Who do you think I am?
I can tell you we're God!
Who do you think we are?
Who do you think you are?
Who do you think I am?
I can tell you you're
Not what you thought you were
Not a little child who is
Trapped in an insane world that is
Just about to self destruct
Not a sinful being who is
Unworthy of the Heavn'ly gift
Not mere flesh and blood
But something much more instead
The chains that bind you are
Your creation, no one else's
Only you can release yourself!
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 19:36:22 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Aye, fight!
Message-Id: <970328193622.n0003178.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
PEACE
"My optimism rests on my belief in the infinite possibilities of the
individual to develop non-violence. The more you develop it in your own
being, the more it overwhelms your surroundings and by and by and by
might oversweep the world."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
"The usual way to generate force is to create anger, desire, and fear.
But these are dangerous sources of energy because they are blind, whereas
the force of love springs from awareness, and does not destroy its own
aims. Out of love and the willingness to act, strategies and tactics
will be created naturally from the circumstances of the struggle. Thus,
problems of strategy and tactics are of secondary importance."
-- Thich Nhat Hanh
"Aye, fight! But not your neighbor. Fight rather all the things that
cause you and your neighbor to fight."
-- Mikhail Naimy
"Peace imposed by violence is not psychological peace, but a suppressed
conflict. It is unstable, for it contains the seeds of its own
destruction. The outer condition is not a true reflection of an inner
condition. But in peace secured by true nonviolent resistance there is
no longer any inner conflict; a new channel is found, in which both the
formerly conflicting energies are at work in the same direction and in
harmony. Here the outer condition truly reflects the inner condition.
This is perhaps one reason why Gandhi called this mode of solving
conflict "Satyagraha", i.e., holding to truth. Such a peace endures.
-- Richard B. Gregg
"If you have a nation of men who have risen to that height of moral
cultivation that will not declare war or carry arms, for they have not so
much madness left in their brains, you have a nation of lovers, of
benefactors, of true, great, and noble men. Let me know more of that
nation; I shall not find them defenseless, with idle hands swinging at
their sides, shall find them men of love, honor and truth; men of an
immense industry; men whose very look and voice carry the sentence of
honor and shame; and all forces yield to their energy and persuasion.
Whenever we see the doctrine of peace embraced by a nation, we may be
assured that it will not be one that invites injury; but one, on the
contrary, which has a friend in the bottom of the heart of every man,
even the violent and the base; one against which no weapon can prosper;
one which is looked upon as the asylum of the human race and has the
tears and the blessings of mankind."
-- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 18:34:25 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: What is Enlightenment?
Message-Id: <970328183425.n0003172.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 28 Mar 98, Dan Margolis wrote...
>"The apprehension of truth is the root of all ignorance."
You will be glad to know that is untrue.
Most kind regards
Lobster (honestly)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 97 18:24:55 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: What is Enlightenment?
Message-Id: <970328182455.n0003171.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 28 Mar 98, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca wrote...
>Nobody knows who is enlightened and who isn't.
Nobody knows enlightenment
Nobody is enlightened
Nobody Knows.
Somebody called
Lobster
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