1998/03/27 15:08
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #237
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 237
Today's Topics: Subject: Re: Being Ordinary [ "Mark A. Collins" ]
Re: Subject: Re: Being Ordinary [ "Jan Barendrecht" ] Re: Being Ordinary [ Harsh Luthar ]
pain in the neck [ "Jason S. White" ] Re: chalta hai [ Anurag Goel ]
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:45:20 -0600 From: "Mark A. Collins"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Subject: Re: Being Ordinary
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Peswani wrote:
Before june 92, i was a normal person. In June 94, I became enlightened.
Lobster....This is extraordinary!
In June '92 I became enlightened and in June '94 I became an ordinary person.
Harsha-This is totally amazing! I became enlightened in 1980 and
simultaneously became an ordinary person. No time gap!
Michele: Astounding! I've never become enlightened, and I've never been normal!
Mark Anthony: When I was born I knew nothing. I grew up, I learned
something. Eventually I learned a lot. Then people saw me as wise. Others saw me as enlightened. Then I went back to knowing something. And
now I know nothing, except the vague memory of "enlightenment" which still clouds my non-thinking. I'm still trying to forget. And to boot,
I'm only 21... But it's still tough being here now, since I have lived 21 years either in the past or the future, or both... I'll master it
some day...
We think. We know. We think we know. We don't think. We understand.
Mark Anthony Collins
"The MAC Man" themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:05:46 -0500 From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #228
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>"A young monk said to the abbot, I have noticed that when anybody has asked
>about Nirvana you merely raise your right hand and lower it again, and now >when I am asked I answer in the same way. The abbot seized his hand and cut
>off a finger. The young monk ran away screaming, then stopped and looked >back. The abbot raised his hand and lowered it, and at that moment the young
>monk attained the supreme joy". >Here the action is obvious too.
What is obvious to me is that the "3 Stooges" must've been Zen masters:
"Hey Moe!"
"Yeah? Wadda ya want now, ya Knucklehead?" "What is Nirvana"
BONK! "Ow! What did ya do that for?"
BONK! "Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk."
must be time for a nap,
amckeon Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:14:24 -0800
From: Dan Margolis To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us,
Kundalini Mailing List Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #228
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amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us wrote:
> >"A young monk said to the abbot, I have noticed that when anybody has asked > >about Nirvana you merely raise your right hand and lower it again, and now
> >when I am asked I answer in the same way. The abbot seized his hand and cut > >off a finger. The young monk ran away screaming, then stopped and looked
> >back. The abbot raised his hand and lowered it, and at that moment the young > >monk attained the supreme joy".
> >Here the action is obvious too.
I heard this story differently:
The abbot of a monastery whenever he was questioned about enlightenment was given to the habit of raising one finger into the air. The other monks noticed this
and wondered about it. One of the younger monks behind the abbot's back started imitating the abbot. When the abbot would raise a finger the young monk would
raise a finger making fun of the abbot. Finally the young monk was meeting one on one with the abbot. He asked a question and the abbot raised his finger. The
young monk out of habit raised his finger back towards the abbot. The abbot seized the young monks finger and cut it off. The young monk screamed in pain.
The abbot then raised his finger and the young monk went to raise his own finger and was enlightened.
This telling has a slightly different tone, because in the end there is an
eliminating of habits also. But every story can be told to mean different things.
Dan M.
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:12:21 EST From: Harsha1MTM
To: samyanaATnospamhotmail.com Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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In a message dated 98-03-26 16:14:34 EST, samyanaATnospamhotmail.com writes:
< Harsha,
You may have an ordinary tummy that requires Tums, but you do have an uncommon wisdom. Thank you for your loving and compassionate answer.
Harsha replies: Gloria, I was on Tums for two days but am feeling a lot better
now. My conclusion was that some times, used judiciously, modern medicine works wonders! As far as having uncommon wisdom, and being loving and
compassionate, I am generally in agreement with you. You are clearly very perceptive (like Jack and Dirk) and I very much admire that in people.
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:46:49 -0000 From: "Jan Barendrecht"
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>Peswani wrote:
> >Before june 92, i was a normal person.
>In June 94, I became enlightened. >
>Lobster....This is extraordinary! >In June '92 I became enlightened
>and in June '94 I became an ordinary person. >
>Harsha-This is totally amazing! I became enlightened in 1980 and >simultaneously became an ordinary person. No time gap!
> >Michele: Astounding! I've never become enlightened, and I've never
>been normal! >
>Mark Anthony: When I was born I knew nothing. I grew up, I learned >something. Eventually I learned a lot. Then people saw me as wise.
>Others saw me as enlightened. Then I went back to knowing something. And >now I know nothing, except the vague memory of "enlightenment" which
>still clouds my non-thinking. I'm still trying to forget. And to boot, >I'm only 21... But it's still tough being here now, since I have lived
>21 years either in the past or the future, or both... I'll master it >some day...
> >We think. We know. We think we know. We don't think. We understand.
> >
>Mark Anthony Collins >"The MAC Man"
>themacmanATnospammacsrule.com >
> Jan b: Early in youth, as an ordinary little rascal just becoming familiar
with Christian beliefs about God, heaven and hell, I challenged God to prove his existence so I could eventually adjust my level of naughtiness. Nothing
happened though, proving to me God was a hoax, as were the grown-ups spreading this boogie man type of story. As a result I became even more
naughty, then rebellious and still later on an anti-war activist. When this was over and nothing was left, there was this spontaneous experience that
monks sometimes can cost a finger. Then a process started that took about eight month to complete. Readers of romantic novels about something called
‘path´ called it a miracle but they were wrong, of course: Thanks, God, at last I was an ordinary person again like the rest of us. The four pretty
women with obvious intentions that cornered me not long ago somewhere in Africa had a different opinion - but that´s a different story altogether.
Jan
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:03:27 +0500 (GMT+0500) From: Peswani
To: Harsh Luthar Cc: kundalini-l
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Peswani wrote:
> > Before june 92, i was a normal person. > > In June 94, I became enlightened.
> > Lobster....This is extraordinary!
> In June '92 I became enlightened > and in June '94 I became an ordinary person.
> Harsha-This is totally amazing! I became enlightened in 1980 and simultaneously
> became an ordinary person. No time gap!
shahanshah........ Harsha do not let lobster confuse you. I wrote that I became enlightened
in June 94, and further if you go down the letter I wrote that I became normal again In Mid July 94. There is a gap of one and half months betwen this.
I was aware of my enlightment for next 45 days approx. Are you both joking or teasing or are confused? :)))
I could give an interesting description of the experience of these 45 days and what brought this change from enlightment to normality and how I later
realised that this normality is normality of Bhoddhisattva. Earlier you wrote that you react if someone declares that he is enlightened
Just be AWARE of this reaction before you reply back. SHAHANSHAH
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:10:37 +0500 (GMT+0500) From: Peswani
To: Dan Margolis Cc: kundalini-l
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On Thu, 26 Mar 1998, Dan Margolis wrote: shahanshah wrote..
> > Sleep is the time when outside energy enters this body and fills > > it with karmas of other souls and takes away the enlightment. >
> When each and every kalapa of this body has become bhoddhisattva > > (the process is complete) there will be no necessity of sleep.
Dan wrote.... > > I don't
entirely agree with the final statements. There have been > boddhisattva's who sleep and boddhisattva's who don't sleep. There are
types > of yoga(sleep yoga) which allow the practicer to enter and exit sleep without > outside energy entering. > > Perhaps, in your path sleep
is a barrier. In other paths the most > important moments are exitting and entering sleep. I personally find sleep a > natural extension of my
practice. I eat when I'm hungry, I drink when I'm > thirsty and I sleep when I'm tired. Of course I'm not a boddhisattva yet. >
shahanshah.replies.............. Last time I wrote about Patanjali explanation of
Asamprajna samadhi. It is a sleep period between two meditations of AWARENESS. In this period one loses AWARENESS when moving from one plane
to second plane in Samadhi. This gap if too long one cannot penetrate to higher plane. Same thing happens when I practice Suniata meditation. Sleep
brings in impure earth energy from surroundings. Purification of this energy will only reduce these gaps. It is like growing from childhood to
adulthood. Path of growth of Bhoddhisattvas can be different. One can grow by repeated births other by compassion for all life third by desire to
lead others to enlightment or by sleep after creating vaccum.
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:50 -0500 From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: k & fertility
Message-Id:
>"Fertile" meaning ovulating? Not sure about that, but can say that I've
>noticed that before my periods, I'm able to sing more clearly & reach higher >notes--in fact, am trying to produce a musical, & plan to schedule production
>during primo PMS time (Pretty Musical Stuff!)--altho the down side is I'll >probably be bloated, too!--Michele
Thanks, Michele. Yes, I do mean ovulating. I have noticed that food with
hot pepper in it is *much* hotter tasting during ovulation. During PMS and my period I can eat the same food with no problem. When I'm fertile its
waaaay to hot to bear.
The only way I can relate this back to K is something that was posted to me privately on the subject. The person who wrote opined, "I am not certain
that the kundalini process is heightened or if the sense are greater during ovulation." The things I am noticing may be the result of heightened sense
...
The k energy goes into different modes, or my sense of it does, according to my body chemistry. Not strictly, by any means, but I do notice
tendencies.
Is there some word we can use around here to indicate "I" as in the small, concious, everyday unenlightened mind set and "I" as in all my various
parts, awarenesses, worlds, powers, visions and songs? Thankya!
--Liz
The web site you seek cannot be located but
endless others exist ---- Joy Rothke from Haiku
Error Message competition at Salon Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:45:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Daniel James Giszczak To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Have I met anyone from this list, say earlier this year? Dan
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 06:02:50 -1000 (HST) From: Stephen Gornik
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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ALL: I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN FOR ONE WEEK. I DO NOT WISH, WHEN I COME BACK, TO HAVE SUCH AN EXTENSEIVE BACKLOG OF MAIL.
IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN PREVENT THE DUPLICATION OF THE SAME MESSAGE SEVERAL TIMES OVER?
IS THERE ANYONE OUT THERE WHO CAN HELP?
SIGNING OFF FOR ONE WEEK.
HAPPY CHATTING AND HAPPY CONNECTIONS TO YOU,
STEPHEN Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 11:07:09 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar To: Peswani
CC: kundalini-l Subject: Re: Being Ordinary
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> Peswani wrote: >
> > > Before june 92, i was a normal person. > > > In June 94, I became enlightened.
> > > > Lobster....This is extraordinary!
> > In June '92 I became enlightened > > and in June '94 I became an ordinary person.
> > > Harsha-This is totally amazing! I became enlightened in 1980 and simultaneously
> > became an ordinary person. No time gap! >
> shahanshah........ > Harsha do not let lobster confuse you. I wrote that I became enlightened
> in June 94, and further if you go down the letter I wrote that I became normal > again In Mid July 94. There is a gap of one and half months betwen this.
> I was aware of my enlightment for next 45 days approx. > Are you both joking or teasing or are confused? :)))
Harsha: Yes I was joking and teasing and also being honest. I am delighted that you
can have fun at Harsha's expense. God knows the fun and and joy you have provided me! I very much appreciate your wise (but convoluted thoughts) and admire your
spiritual experiences and aspirations. The Truth is Simple. It is Only Who You Truly Are. We dance around it. You dance around it with enthusiasm and passion which is a
tribute to your high energy (earned no doubt due to good merits in your past lives). In any case it is a lovely and a beautiful dance.Always thinking of you with great
love and joy......Harsha
> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:35:38 +0100
From: "Jason S. White" To: "Kundalini"
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so dramatic.
the more dramatic, the more oohhs and aahhhs from the audience. yes, shock me.
rock me kundalini.
i have a pain in my neck could it be my awakening come at last?
i have synchronistic experiences in a chaotic universe i am endarkened
one-up-man-ship
tell them they are doing it wrong tell them they need help, they have to try harder.
yet unbalance is the surest way to find balance
all is clear for the ignorant and they are eager to prove it. all is blissfully unclarified for the enlightened yet they struggle to focus it.
but who cares really in this universe of action? now cares only if it wants to.
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From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: "Mark A. Collins"
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Eyebeams
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At 13:12 26/03/98 -0600, Mark A. Collins wrote:
>Would you rather be powerful or happy? >
>I would rather be happy... >
> Ya mean we have to choose one or the other?
Gosh, nobody told me.. I have been enjoying them both. Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator. Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :) I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:16:56 EST From: PEGLUMPKIN
To: annfisherATnospamstic.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: I am that I am
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In a message dated 98-03-26 05:40:18 EST, you write:
< The name was considered too holy to pronounce aloud, and therefore "Adonai" or "Lord" was spoken in its place and still is when the scriptures
are read aloud in Jewish services. >>
In some reference I have since lost, there was a reference to YHVH as never being spoken, not because it was "too holy," but because the sound caused some
sort of manifestation. Have you ever heard this? Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:57:16 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: Peswani
Cc: kundalini-l , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: chalta hai
Message-Id:
Hi Peswani,
Peswani look out and you will find atleast a dozen people in this society itself. There is no need to search in Himalayas
for such persons.
Love, anurag
> Lobster...Peswani you are in India. Are you telling me there are no
> enlightened beings to share with? Pray to God or Tara to send you such a > contact.
> Shahanshah...I have met many many saints in India. I have lived in caves in > Himalayas and searched. Noone is like me. Noone can understand my experiences
> shahanshah does not beleive in prayers. How can I pray to Myself. And I am > egoist because all energy that i collect is ego energy. Only after purification
> ego enlarges to merge in Higher EGO. >
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:23:52 -0600 From: "Mark A. Collins"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Eyebeams
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At 13:12 26/03/98 -0600, Mark A. Collins wrote: >Would you rather be powerful or happy?
> >I would rather be happy...
> >
Ya mean we have to choose one or the other? Gosh, nobody told me.. I have been enjoying them both.
Blessings, Mystress.
No, you can have both. However, if you prefer power to happiness, you
will never be happy. If you choose happiness over power, you have found Infinite Power...
My 2¢ worth...
Mark A. Collins themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:51:50 PST From: "Gloria Lee"
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, zymphtATnospambluewin.ch Subject: Re: pain in the neck/reply
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Jason?? Have you been reading Lao tzu???
"To act as if you know it all is catastrophic:
and if you try to control it You stare into your empty hand."
BTW..very nice poem!!!!!!
> >so dramatic.
>the more dramatic, the more oohhs and aahhhs from the audience. >yes, shock me.
>rock me kundalini. >
>i have a pain in my neck >could it be my awakening come at last?
>i have synchronistic experiences in a chaotic universe >i am endarkened
> >one-up-man-ship
>tell them they are doing it wrong >tell them they need help, they have to try harder.
>yet unbalance is the surest way to find balance >
>all is clear for the ignorant and they are eager to prove it. >all is blissfully unclarified for the enlightened yet they struggle to
= >focus it.
>but who cares really in this universe of action? >now cares only if it wants to.
> >
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