1998/03/26 21:40
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #236
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 236
Today's Topics:
Re: Eyebeams [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-V [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: chalta hai [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
I am that I am [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Being Ordinary [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #228 [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: Being Ordinary [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Stress Relief [ Ratna Pal <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc. ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Rens Wezelman <paraps.instituutATnospamtip ]
Re: k & fertility [ Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com> ]
Who is going and Who is Coming! [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Stress Relief [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Re: Reasonably good reason is . . . [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
Experience [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:48:13 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospammacsrule.com>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Eyebeams
Message-ID: <351ABF06.DE974452ATnospamgeocities.com>
Mark A. Collins wrote:
> There is only one power in the Universe. There is only one way to access
> it.
Anandajyoti> If this One power you mention is of the order of Infinity, IMHO
, there would be infinite ways to access it, not one, which would limit the
very concept of Infinity and and make it finite, and then there is no
infinity any more.
> However, many different cultures have different "doings" that
> convince the mind that they have labored (or not labored) enough to
> allow their mind to do that which is neccessary to access this power:
> >>Simply to claim it.<<
Anandajyoti> Easier said than done or experienced.
>
>
> >> Some of the energy in the sea is a denser, ie, vibrating at
> increasingly high
> vibrations. Matter is just energy virbrating at extremely high vibrations.
Anandajyoti> All matter vibrate in definite lattices in space-time and hence
the vibrations are not extremely high as you suggest.
> >>>However, the base energy, the energy that exists everywhere equally has
> no vibration. It just is.<<
Anandajyoti> Do you ascribe this base energy as the totality- the infinite
or would you clarify further?
>
>
> >>Consciousness interacts with this base energy to produce vibration. The
> thought of what and how that energy should be shapes what it becomes. If
> there was no consciousness projecting upon this world, there would be no
> matter, only the base still energy.<<
Anandajyoti> Consciousness itself is vibratory, so are thoughts which are
always there, Is it not our awareness of our consciousness which projects?
IMO Matter and the Universe would still be there, if we are unaware then it
would not exist for us during that time.
>
>
> >>The universe we live in is the product of the base energy radiated by
> the Infinite Universe and the collective <<
Anandajyoti> The Universe is a projection or a manifestation of the Infinite
diverging in infinite directions, and when all vibrations cede it reverts
back to it at infinity.
> >>One Consciousness who dwells in this universe. This does not mean God.
> God is not of this reality. This is not really reality. However, as
> Children of God, we have chosen to inhabit this illusatory reality and
> create it as we go along. <<
Anandajyoti> IMO God is the personification of the idea of the ONE
CONSCIOUSNESS, in human terms, varying through our understanding and
experience, under different cultural and social conditionings.
>
>
> >>All of our awareness is really only One Mind that thinks it's million of
>
> little weak bodies. However, when we manage to convince ourselves that
> we have power, we then do. <<<
Anandajyoti> IMO it sounds like self hypnosis to believe what one wants to
believe.
How did the weak bodies get in here?
>
>
> >>We use Chi, Kundalini, Hypnosis, Psychic abilities, the Holy Spirit,
> Shakti, and whatever else to convince our limited beliefs that we do
> have *some* power. When in reality, we have all the power of God,
> because we are (pardon my pronoun usage) His Son (singular). <<
Anandajyoti> Is this reality which you mention, not the reality you are
creating , through your conditionings or ideas of your perception.? Is not
this reality a projection of your thoughts?
>
>
> >>We have all the power we convince ourselves that we have. However, power
>
> in itself is not important. While we believe that we are millions of
> separate weak little bodies, we will attack and destroy. We will use
> that power to destroy. That is why peace & love are more important than
> power. Power flows from belief. But good flows only from love. <<
Anandajyoti> What is Good or bad, Power and love? If everything came from
that Onewhich is ???? Is it not that one is creating this picture, of good ,
bad, power and love.
In which case , all is illusion.
Anandajyoti
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
>
>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:14:52 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-Vows
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>In a message dated 98-03-24 16:12:46 EST, samyanaATnospamhotmail.com writes:
>
><< But seriously, now..is detachment the eqivalent of
> indifference?? Believe it or not, I think I did understand your
original
> point about making vows being redundant, but just the word indifferent
> is a puzzle to me...even in relation to just chocolate (there is no
such
> thing as "just" chocolate..to a true afficiando)... are you going back
> to your "don't care" one way or the other?? Are you saying that even
> wanting all beings to be free of suffering is ALSO an attachment to
some
> preference of desire??
> Or just that making vows would be unnecessary >>
>
>Dear Gloria, you ask such deep and wise questions that I want to flee
in
>shame! But where to go? I must gather courage and answer all calls of
nature.
>Some say the nature of mind is that of attachment. Therefore the
practice of
>detachment and indifference involves mental effort. As such it does not
reveal
>the Truth. Knowing that it is the mind itself that creates the illusion
of
>bondage and that of liberation, one should be still. The secret Harsha
method
>is as follows. If one is attached, it is all right. If one is detached,
it is
>all right. If one has taken a Boddhisattva vow it is all right. If one
rejects
>all vows it is all right. It is the nature of one who is on the
spriitual path
>to have compassion for one self and others. When one is constipated and
takes
>a laxative, one does not worry whether the laxative will leave the body
or
>not. Similarly, one who is cultivating compassion and love for others
need not
>worry whether these are attachments that will stick or not. Indeed when
one is
>full of love for all sentient beings and all life, that attitude itself
>produces the needed deep relaxation which unties the knot of ignorance
leading
>to Self-Realization .....Harsha
>
Harsha,
You may have an ordinary tummy that requires Tums, but you do have an
uncommon wisdom. Thank you for your loving and compassionate answer.
Perhaps its just for me a matter of realizing that a lot of my past
efforts (while they may have served some good cause..or were occasions
for learning..) were also very tainted by ego and pretensions to
intellect. (Just as too much self-consciouness..or focus on self
becomes a wearying burden after a while.) Whatever, it seems more clear
now at least that all that exists (in us, in life, in others ) just
wishes to be met with some loving kindness.
That is what is useful to me from learning with Thich Nhat Hanh.. that
compassion and just to focus on really being here in the present
moment..more than on striving to become enlightened. Striving to become
detached did not seem to feel very natural to me either, altho I have
learned to enjoy experiencing the witness state like Gloria Greco keeps
recommending, but only as it was useful in life or in meditation to
observe...going to some extreme with it would be like driving myself
crazy checking "how detached am I now?" would be like constantly
checking my pulse to see if I am still breathing.
So, relaxing like you suggested is very welcome advice. Even if
something like chocolate IS an attachment for the moment...its also just
another experience... we are passing thru so many impermanent states
anyway... and so it helps to just remember the impermanence. What is
most constant when I reflect back on my 50 years is how the awareness
and appreciation of life's beauty just keeps knocking my socks off. So,
if that's an attachment, its one I can live with..LOL
Thanks again, Harsha, will share a candy bar with you anytime.
To vow or not to vow...is that even the question??
Glo Lee
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Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:47:00 -0800
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in
Subject: Re: chalta hai
Message-ID: <351B0514.40A5ATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
Peswani wrote:
>
>
>
> Enlightment vs Bhoddisattva
>
> This is my personal journey from enlightment to Bhodisattva.
>
> Before june 92, i was a normal person.
> In June 94, I became enlightened.
> In Mid July 94, some thing inside this body of mine decided to
> take to this path of bhoddhisattva.
> As a result I lost this enlightment and again became a normal
> person, except for the knowlege in each and every kalapa (body cell) of
> this body that they are changing slowly into bhodhisattva kalapas.
> AND THIS PROCESS IS NOW IRREVERSIBLE.
> This and many other bodies behind this body will become ninth
> Bhoddhisattva for this part of the solar world.
> This process is very rare.
> I do not expect anyone to beleive this statement of mine, cause
> some one in me also is watching this process with wonderment andISBELEIF
> every moment since June 94.
> This journey is painful both from outside and inside.
> Inside because every moment this body is collecting mind energy
> from surroundings and integrating it into higher energy thro physical pain
> throughout this body.
> Outside because there is none to share or understand this pain.
> This Bhoddhisattva body has desires, likes and dislikes like any
> normal person but also has a WISDOM which separates the karma effects of
> these desires on this body by going thro a process of cleaning.
> Assuming enlightment as total freedom from karmas (I take this
> meaning of enlightment), an enlightened person will be free from desires,
> likes, dislikes and DISEASES.
> Every day I go thro this process of cleaning of collected karmas
> and keep this body totally free from all diseases. Not even a minor
> headache or sneeze is possible when one is free from karmas. During those
> short meditative periods I am enlightened.
> Sleep is the time when outside energy enters this body and fills
> it with karmas of other souls and takes away the enlightment.
> When each and every kalapa of this body has become bhoddhisattva
> (the process is complete) there will be no necessity of sleep.
> List members may or may not agree with my above experiences but
> SUB CHALTA HAI. SHAHANSHAH
Dear Peswani,
I believe you, and I feel that maybe I understand, at least in part. Try
me.
Enlightenment brings one into the atmosphere in which the world (the
universe, all that is) would exist and feed itself. With Enlightenment
the world is seen as neither existent nor non-existent. The Boddhisattva
body is the rebuilder of the world. So there appears to be return to the
world. (But how could there be?)
The inside and outside pain you are experiencing is the process of
enlightenment. The changing of all-that-is into the Enlightened
condition. It is the tendency of the world that the Boddhisattva body
built to "return" to Enlightenment.
That conversion is unceasing and the mystery of the universe.
You refer to a witness of all this. Have you handed the pain to that
witness?
You refer to Boddhisattva, kalapa, solar world, journey, karma, wisdom,
Ninth Boddhisattva. What would happen if all that was handed over to the
Witness? Are you attached to those things?
There is Enlightenment. There is return to or rebuilding of the "world."
There is the process of all-that-is "becoming" Enlightenment. It is
ultimate simplicity. What else can one do but live the ordinary life?
Lobster made a comment about you telling your experiences within
Buddhist new groups or forums. He said they'd tear you to pieces. He's
right. But it's a great test. It'll test whether you adhere to your
knowledge.
Best always,
Jerry
My website deals futher with things I've mentioned here (and it's
Entrepreneur-Free!) http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada.
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:31:20 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: I am that I am
Message-ID: <e2d98d10.351ac92aATnospamaol.com>
Thanks to all who answered my question.
What I find so wonderful is the blend of East and West (with a little popular
culture woven in! )
Love, Hillary
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:00:57 EST
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Being Ordinary
Message-ID: <a04a60f5.351ad01bATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-26 11:33:03 EST, you write:
<< Peswani wrote:
> > Before june 92, i was a normal person.
> > In June 94, I became enlightened.
>
> Lobster....This is extraordinary!
> In June '92 I became enlightened
> and in June '94 I became an ordinary person.
> Harsha-This is totally amazing! I became enlightened in 1980 and
simultaneously
> became an ordinary person. No time gap!
>>
Michele: Astounding! I've never become enlightened, and I've never been
normal!
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:26:43 -0000
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #228
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From: Debora A. Orf <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 2:41 PM
>Jan,
>
>could you please fix your mailer to get rid of that really annoying HTML
>stuff at the end? it makes it a pain to quote your replies because i have
>to cut all that html stuff out. Thank you.
>
>(this list member is using Unix PineMail, i cant see colours or anything
>either)
Why didn´t you ask earlier? It would have meant less pain for you (and all
the others who don´t complain but would have benefited...) This list member
has a slight visual handicap so he never reads user manuals, unless there is
no other way...
>
>Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:14:25 -0000 From: "Jan Barendrecht"
>
>jan wrote>
>
><<Many discussions mix or comment the view from the top of the =
>mountain with the view at its base. If the black belt hero would be a =
>fully enlightened yogi, he would only perceive Self and wouldn't act. =
>If he would consider life to be an illusion, >>
>
>in the buddhist view there is no Atman! hence no Self. and there would be
>no more illusions because one would see the clear primordial reality of
>what really is.
>
>i dont agree that she wouldnt act.
Unless one draws a clear distinction in posts between fiction and reality,
no valid conclusions can be drawn. As a practitioner of Ahimsa, I never had
to resort to violence; without my practice, I would have been ‘just another
victim for justice´.
One of the pleasant effects of many if not all paths is that after some
practice, intuition develops - instead of using logic or emotions to
initiate an action, you simply know what to do. It (intuition) tells you
that the robber is also carrying a gun and will shoot you before you can
raise even a hand.
>
>Nansen came into a monestary where the monks were arguing over a cat.
>
>He held up the cat and stated "Give me one good word or the cat dies!"
>
>No one answered, Nansen cut the cat in two.
>
>Laster Joshu came by and nansen relayed the story. he asked Joshu, "what
>would you have done?". Joshu put his shoes on his head and walked out of
>the monestary.
>
>In this case, the cat didnt belong. The correct function is to do
>something to illustrate that. This requires action, and its pretty clear
>what that action is. If you can see clearly that is. If you think about
>yourself, nogo it wont make sense.
"A young monk said to the abbot,´ I have noticed that when anybody has asked
about Nirvana you merely raise your right hand and lower it again, and now
when I am asked I answer in the same way´. The abbot seized his hand and cut
off a finger. The young monk ran away screaming, then stopped and looked
back. The abbot raised his hand and lowered it, and at that moment the young
monk attained the supreme joy".
Here the action is obvious too.
>
>In the systems of pantanjali, there may not be room for the Bodhisattva,
>but there are nine Yanas and not everyone is following the same one.
>
>i cannot speak for this, i do not know it at all, pantanjali is just a
>name to me.
>
>But there is more than one way to the top of this mountain. My paradigm is
>not yours, your eyes are not in my head, altho we do share tears.
>
>In the perceptions of beings to be tamed, there will always be
>Bodhisattvas and Avatars,
>
>This one is greatful to them.
Of course... Nobody reincarnates with a blank mind. If you are inclined to a
spiritual practice, it is likely there were strong impressions made in
previous lives; in your case by Buddhism. In a previous life you met a
Bodhisattva; a strong impression was made and now its your turn to become a
Bodhisattva; you have no choice. The very idea that you can make a choice
between all spiritual paths on any basis is so ridiculous that it´s a good
theme for jokes... Never did I meet a person who could tell me "Having
finished my comparative research in all systems for meditation, I have come
to the conclusion that, regarding my psychological profile and physical
fitness, raja-yoga is suited best for me".
>
>i do not think there is a need for 'one correct way'. There are many ways
>that are correct according the needs of beings. Are there not 4 yoga
>paths? Bhakti, raja, hatha and karma? Even an analytical path has some
>Bhakti in it, Even Bhakti has touches of the others. (exhausting my
>knowlege of Yoga in one fell paragraph!)
There is even more - jnana yoga (yoga of wisdom) consists of:
Viveka (discrimination between the real and the unreal)
Tyaga (Renunciation of the enjoyment of the fruit of one´s actions)
The six accomplishments: tranquility, sense restraint, abstention from
actions that are not relevant to the maintenance of the body-mind or to the
pursuit of enlightenment, endurance, mental collectedness and faith, the
‘urge´ towards liberation.
It is likely that these yogas once were one integrated yoga, because several
overlaps occur and in everyday life with a job one has at least to practice
some karma-yoga. There are infinite ways to combine the (now separate) forms
of yoga.
>
>How can one pick apart the system of another just because that system does
>not apply to onesself? i'm not a theist, but when i see the word God, i
>know that it applies quite reasonably and provable to others. Just because
>something is beyond my perception doesnt invalidate it.
Every system has its merits (and sometimes demerits too, like religions
without a solid basis for meditation). From the "six yogas of Naropa" I took
the practice of "dream yoga" which I consider of great value. Collecting the
gems of various spiritual systems and combining them into your practice was
considered ‘normal´ in the East - you simply studied / practiced under
various masters.
>
>So when someone tells me that 'god is in my heart' i may interpret that
>differently than they do, but they are still 'right'! Their karmic vision
>allows for God where mine goes 'say what?--according to this that & the
>other this doesnt fit'. But its not my puzzle piece on my path right now.
>That doesnt invalidate it though.
>
>I noticed someone reacting to my 'this sentence doesnt make sense to me'
>about God seemed to feel they could not say the word. Not true! if God is
>part of your spirituality, dont let my viewpoint unsettle you. Its a
>matter of 'if what i have said upsets you, please forget you heard it'.
>
>Thats all for a wednesday.
>
>maitri (Lovingkindness, the first boundless state)
>--janpa tsomo
>
Other viewpoints are inspiring as one can learn from them. Debates of the
type "right - wrong" are useless as everyone is rightly entitled to an own
viewpoint. However by having to explain difficult topics one often gains a
better insight than one previously had. One of the gems in jnana-yoga is
viveka. If buddhi (wisdom faculty) is trained, it is impossible to have
negative emotions in an ‘ordinary´ sense. The worst that can happen is
comparable to throwing a stone in a pond. It will start some waves
appearing, but after a short time the waves die out and no trace will be
left.
Jan
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:46:20 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com, hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Being Ordinary
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In a message dated 98-03-26 17:03:03 EST, MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com writes:
<< << Peswani wrote:
> > Before june 92, i was a normal person.
> > In June 94, I became enlightened.
>
> Lobster....This is extraordinary!
> In June '92 I became enlightened
> and in June '94 I became an ordinary person.
> Harsha-This is totally amazing! I became enlightened in 1980 and
simultaneously
> became an ordinary person. No time gap!
>>
Michele: Astounding! I've never become enlightened, and I've never been
normal!
>>
Harsha: Michele, you win the Championship!
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:32:58 +0530 (IST)
From: Ratna Pal <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
Cc: Arnold <a.lloydATnospamnetmatters.co.uk>, Dave <rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk>,
kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Stress Relief
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Hi,
According to me STRESS RELIEF method given below can also be helpful
in meditation. Sometimes when my mind is not at peace i use the method
given below to start my meditation.
Love,
anurag
On Tue, 25 Mar 1997, E Jason wrote:
> J Dale very kindly sent this stress relieving visualisation . . .
>
>
> STRESS RELIEF
>
> Feeling stressed?
> Picture yourself near a rippling mountain stream
> Birds are softly chirping in the crisp, cool mountain air
> Nothing can bother you here
> No one knows this secret place
> You are in total seclusion from that place known as "The World"
> The soothing sound of a waterfall fills the air with a cascade of
> serenity
> The water is crystal clear
> You can easily make out the face of the person whose head you are
> holding under the water
> There now, feeling better?
> Have a stress free day
>
> Lobster
>
>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:35:41 -1000 (HST)
From: Rens Wezelman <paraps.instituutATnospamtip.nl>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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Hi,
First of all, thanks for being on the web, you're great.
Hope this question is not to intimitate:
I'm on the verge of starting a beautiful relationship,
yet I'm unsure of how Kundalini-Shakti will react to
it's sensuous aspect. C. knows about and appreciates my
Kundalini-Xperiences.
Can anyone please help me with some advice?
Thanks,
Rens
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:40:36 EST
From: Soulseeks <SoulseeksATnospamaol.com>
To: acarreATnospamconcentric.net, melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: k & fertility
Message-ID: <ead9a41f.351af586ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-26 13:30:51 EST, acarreATnospamconcentric.net writes:
<< Maybe we could extend this to a yoga of conception and procreation. >>
Oh, please don't I already have 6 kids.
Keeping my happy thoughts,
Rebecca
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:05:43 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: paraps.instituutATnospamtip.nl, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Who is going and Who is Coming!
Message-ID: <17223cd5.351afb6aATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-26 19:35:56 EST, paraps.instituutATnospamtip.nl writes:
<< yet I'm unsure of how Kundalini-Shakti will react to
it's sensuous aspect. C. knows about and appreciates my
Kundalini-Xperiences.
Can anyone please help me with some advice?
Thanks,
Rens >>
Harsha: Go for all the Gusto! Or Refrain from going for all the Gusto! Or Go
for all the Gusto sometimes and Refrain sometimes! Or Go for all the Gusto and
Refrain at the Same time! Whatever you do Always keep your Attention on Who is
Going, Who is Refraining, and most of all Who is Coming! May the Force guide
you in your explorations. May your path lead to the Self.
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:19:25 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Stress Relief
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When I began to read the visualization I was thinking "Oh, that old
chestnut," how disappointing... until I got to the end. I like it!
wondering if the boss can swim,
amckeon
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:21:29 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Reasonably good reason is . . .
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Lobster wrote:
>Krishna:
>"Of the methods of the ancient sages this is the quickest and most secret
>>means.
>Sacred is this Knowledge. Holy is this Knowledge. Worth more than all the
>treasure in the world. Squirt tobasco sauce up your nose and hang upside down
>from a bridge."
I truly did laugh out loud. Knew I could count on you to make this funnier.
kind regards back at ya,
amckeon
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:23:17 -0000
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Experience
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Hi Daniel,
If you can find the right taxi driver in Colombo with the name "Wilson", he
will remember very well and could drive you there. I had hired him for a
trip of the "sublime and rare" around the island and among others it led to
the monastery. The site is relatively large; there were few housings for
monks and only a few monks. In a somewhat larger building on the site,
artwork was done. Near the entrance was an enshrined skeleton. It was too
small for a grownup and I received much E-mail denying the skeleton to be
Mahinda´s. Nearby was a small waterfall that served as a daily shower for
the monks. The entire area surrounding the site was rather arid. The
mountain had a height of 200-300m and on top of it was a great cave for
meditation and at a distance, the well. The reason why the driver brought me
there was a wall-painting: it showed a person in a kind of flying machine,
more like a small rocket. When the monk and I were down again and everyone
had calmed down, the driver told me that the area of the site contained many
of such paintings. At the time, there were rumors of a sensational found
from the ancient inhabitants and also rumors of its cover-up because the
founds contradicted narrow-minded existing theories of archeologists. If
you can´t find the taxi driver you will have to visit all holy wells on
mountains; according to the E-mail I received there are many. BTW, if you
can check out the story of the ancient civilization and its connection with
"vimanas" it would be a nice contribution to the list... Have a pleasant
trip.
Jan
Thompson, Daniel S. <DanTATnospamhumongous.com>wrote at date: Thursday, March 26,
1998 11:21 PM
>
>Hi,
>
>I was browsing the Lankanet personals and saw your ad:
>
>Who knows how to contact the abbot of the monastery, where Mahinda is
>enshrined
> On the grounds of that monastery is a holy mountain with a well on
>top of it. In '74 I visited Sri Lanka and on a
> tour I visited the monastery. A monk and I climbed to the top and we
>had an unusual experience. Since then I
> lost contact, had little or no time but asI am retired now, I have
>would like revisit the place. Only, I don't know
> where it is. If anyone can help me, please leave your answer at
>janbarenATnospamfraser.infase.es (17 June)
>
>I'm planning to visit Sri Lanka, and wish to visit sacred places.
> Perhaps you can tell me of the monastery and the mountain with the well?
> I hope you are able to return.
>
>Many thanks,
>
>d
>
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