1998/03/25 21:57
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #233
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 233
Today's Topics:
Personal Genius/Summary [ Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca> ]
Re: PRANAYAMA-The Reality of Practic [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: Personal Genius/Summary [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: I am that I am [ David Hodges <dhodgesATnospamrecol.com> ]
Re: eyebeams [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: PRANAYAMA-The Reality of Practic [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
Fwd: I am that I am [ Uni8077 <Uni8077ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-V [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-V [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
puppy love [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
too much fasting [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Illogical Buddhism [ "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospammacsru ]
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:46:42 -0800
From: Jerry Katz <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Personal Genius/Summary
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On March 20, I invited comment on personal genius, which I very broadly
defined as function at a greatly heightened level for an individual, and
offered that it might be considered a hallmark of active Kundalini.
This is a brief summary of those comments. Nothing scientific about
this, just a review of the discussion. I haven't done justice to
anyone's complete message and I apologize for that.
Also, what I'm doing here, summarizing other people's thoughts, may or
may not be acceptable in this forum, but it won't be the first time I
was slightly out of tune with things. So here goes...
David Bozzi asked what or who I was looking to study. "What" is a good
question. Kundalini is the answer, but I don't know what that biological
force is. "Who" refers to anyone experiencing Kundalini symptoms.
David says a lot in very few words. My summary would be longer! His view
of Kundalini is from that of The Self, Consciousness, and he sees Genius
as a possible side effect of Kundalini, depending on how you define
Genius. He says Kundalini at its core is about a relationship between
self and Self.
Dan Margolis said his healing touch has become far more potent since
Kundalini awakening, and he suggested a comparison of works done by a
person before and after Kundalini awakening.
Jan Barendrecht offered that the only way to study the effects of
Kundalini is to experiment with identical twins, intiating one of them
into kundalini and not the other, then compare brain scans. Jan also
discussed the relationship between Kundalini and enlightenment and said
that genius is like any siddhi, a hindrance to spiritual progress.
Gloria Lee responded to Jan, contending that Jan's conception of
enlightenment is too narrow and that it is appropriate for Kundalini
people to exercise creative gifts. Mentioning she has heard Truth's
uttered out of the mouths of ones generally considered mentally below
normal, Gloria Lee might lean toward supporting the concept of personal
genius, it seems.
Dan Margolis responded to Gloria Lee, agreeing with her and revealing
that he has eschewed a life of generally accepted genius for an ordinary
life, living more in the moment. He sided with Jan regarding the problem
of pursuing or being side-tracked by siddhis. Perhaps Dan would say that
living an ordinary life is the achievement of his personal genius and
not what others might take his genius to be, but I don't know.
Hillary revealed that since Kundalini activity she is less detail
oriented and that aphorisms come to her, most recently "I Am That I Am."
Holly Barrett also agreed with Gloria Lee, saying Kundalini makes
ordinary work better. Holly told us that she is extremely responsive to
color, with a strong thirst to drink it in, as Kundalini has enhanced
her visual sense. And she says her drawings are "better" than they were
before.
There were further posts by Amckeon, Dan and Lobster on the ordinary
life.
By this time Jan engaged Gloria Lee, explaining that she was referring
to extreme use of Kundalini, not proper use and that her comments were
tempered by use of the words speculation and speculative.
Gloria Lee accepted Jan's explanation most graciously.
Jan responded by elaborating on detachment and further developed the
thought that genius can be a form of detachment.
There were other posts on subjects more peripheral to genius and they
are not included.
I have no opinion, really, other than that I'm aware this discussion on
genius recycles periodically, and I think that's good because research
on Kundalini has gone practically nowhere. But if the wheels keep
spinning, some day fifty to a hundred years from now kundalini research
may well tear out of the starting gate.
Jerry
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:43:07 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA-The Reality of Practice
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At 17:40 1998.03.25 -0500, you wrote:
>Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
>> Nevertheless, perhaps I'll learn something today that broadens my model -
>> but it will take more than just a defacto statement. A pointer to the
>> classical literature would be a good start. Simply appealing to one's
>> experience is not because:
>
>Harsha replies: A wide variety of techniques having to do with the breath can
>awaken the Kundalini Shakti including simply being aware of the breath.
>Bhastrika certainly can be very helpful and awaken the Kundalini when
practiced
>properly. Since you wish to rely on support from other sources why don't you
>look at Swami Sivananda's classic book on Pranayama and the one on Kundalini
>Yoga. I can give you other sources as well. What other traditional Yogis have
>said is consistent with what I have said.
Well, if I may express my views on this...
If you want to awaken your Kundalini, find a shaktipat master. That is the
best way, safest, etc.
If it is not possible, go to Angelique's grounding page. If you are ready,
it will happen. My Kundalini was awakened only by love and adoration, no
technique at all, just love for the Goddess. It was so easy because I was
ready, it was natural. However, if one is _not_ ready, pranayama and other
techniques might be necessary. It is probably the most dangerous stunt one
could possibly attempt. If mildest possible techniques are not enough to
awaken you, don't do it, you are not ready. You might get hurt or killed or
both. At one period in my life I practiced purvaka-kumbhaka-rechaka
pranayama according to Svami Shivananda's technique - actually it is the
thing from the Upanishads, 1-4-2 ratio. At some times I felt absolutely
great, at others I felt awful. I almost killed myself with that shit, thank
God I was smart enough to feel my body protest against that and stopped.
Pranayama of that kind is dangerous and useless shit. If your K isn't
awakened, that's not the way to do it. If it is awakened, you don't need
that shit either. So flush it down the toilet. That's my opinion on
pranayama.
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:08:52 -0800
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>,
Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
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> One of the great Sufis was thrown out of the mosque (probably for speaking the
> Truth). When asked if he felt any ill will to his detractors he stated that
> every time his head hit the steps of the mosque as he tumbled down he
> experienced a different heavenly state. Who was there to feel ill will towards?
> Now he was either light headed from too much fasting or perhaps he was
> experiencing a negative condition in a positive way (sounds like crossed wires
> to me)
> So it is not what we experience but how.
>
This reminds me of a zen story I heard. An old farmer decided to give up his
farm and become a monk. He was illiterate, slow thinking and hard of hearing. The
monks welcomed him but found the only work at the monastery he was suitable for was
working in the nearby fields. He worked in the fields but felt excluded from the
lectures, meditations and koan work the rest of the monks were doing. Finally he
humbly approached the Abbot and requested a koan to meditate on.
The Abbot reflected on this and told the old monk to meditate on the phrase
'Inner Silence.' Unfortunately in the language of the monk the phrase 'Inner
Silence' sounded very similar to the phrase 'woven slippers.' The old monk misheard
and left to meditate very hard on the words 'woven slippers.' These slippers were
the current style worn by the monks.
He worked in the fields and meditated very hard on 'woven slippers.' Years went
by. He thought about asking the abbot for a better explanation but continued in the
fields working. Finally one day he became very upset. He was moving rocks to build
a wall. He thought "What have I been meditating for all these years. I've
struggled and struggled and I still don't understand 'woven slippers.'" At that
moment a rock slid down and landed on his foot, breaking his woven slippers. The
monk looked down and was enlightened.
He rushed into the monastery. Found the head abbot and shouted 'I understand
your koan.' The abbot looked at him and asked him 'what do you understand?' The
old monk took his broken slippers off his feet and hit the abbot over the head with
them. 'My woven slippers are broken.' The abbot bowed to the monk and smiled.
Perhaps this means effort, discipline and intention are more important than exactly
what path you pursue.
Dan M.
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:58:27 -0800
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca
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Subject: Re: Personal Genius/Summary
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> Perhaps Dan would say that living an ordinary life is the achievement of
> his personal genius and
> not what others might take his genius to be, but I don't know.
This is an interesting question. I feel as if I've gone through two
awakening processes. One in which I developed my meditation process and
spiritual awareness, but not neccessarily related to K. The second
awakening occurred much later and was directly related to K.
The first awakening was caused by disgust, unhappiness and personal trauma.
I sold my things and took off to India for a year. I had been reading for a
long time on Sufism and Buddhism and gravitated to the Buddhist centers in
India. In the first awakening I developed mental discipline and emotional
balance. I also started developing what I'll call personal energy. I
became happier, lighter and general more balanced. During this awakening I
discovered my healing abilities and other small side-effects. This was a
gradual thing over a few years. It was during this time period that I gave
up pursuing intellectual and material gain.
The second awakening was recent and sudden. It was more a bolt out of the
blue than a gradual process. This time I've come in contact with universal
energy. The same side-effects are there only much more potent. I feel like
I'm going down the same self-purification process I went through earlier
only at a much higher energy level.
If the first awakening had little to do with K. energy then my personal
genius has not developed that much from coming into contact with K. My
energy level is higher but the energy is going into the same disciplines and
spiritual pursuits I pursued earlier. I have become much more aware of my
physical body and have been working to develop that. Perhaps my personal
genius will manifest itself in gross motor skills(something that's always
been difficult for me).
However, I think that this is a time-centric way of looking at things. I
see a real intertwining between past and future. As I've had different
realizations and different glimpses of enlightenment, I see an echoing
effect that occurs in both directions in time. The realizations I have now
I see as reflections of future realizations and attaining enlightenment.
Perhaps the K transformation has a similar effect. As my spiritual path
progressed there were echoes of a K awakening that would come later.
But, I could write books with what I don't know.
Dan M.
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:09:48 -0500
From: David Hodges <dhodgesATnospamrecol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I am that I am
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At 12:18 PM 3/25/98 -0800, you wrote:
>> Where does:
>>
>> I am that I am
>>
>> come from?
>
>
>From the Old Testament book of Exodus, chapter 3, we read the story of
Moses and the burning bush:
"Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law...There the
angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush.
Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up...When the
Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the
bush, 'Moses, Moses'..."
[Moses and God have a conversation about God sending Moses to lead the
people of Israel out of bondage in Egypt]
"Moses said to God, 'Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, 'The
God of your fathers has sent me to you' and they ask me, 'What is his
name?' Then what shall I tell them?'"
"God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM." This is what you are to say to the
Israelites: 'I AM has sent you to me.'"
A footnote points out that the Hebrew for the word Lord in this passage
(transliterated as Adonai) sounds like the Hebrew for I AM.
In the New Testament Gospels there are Jesus's many I AM sayings, such as
"I AM the way, the truth, and the life" and "I AM the bread of life" which
echo the Old Testament passage.
These I AM 's I take to be the same as the Witness state, the state of
nonduality, the Self.
David
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:10:31 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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>
>Hi,
> What has been described by susan are the practices which one does
> to find how much has one progressed in hypnotism.
LOL :)))) Actually this doesnt have much to do with hypnotism. This was
a little technique I was taught by a Ninja Master. The force from chi is
very different. His master was able to put a man up on the wall with
just the strength of his chi and hold him there.
He taught me how to break a board with only using chi. The board breaks
before the hand comes in contact with the board. Quite a cool party
trick.
One of the purposes of knowing these things, becoming aware of yours and
others chi, is to know where you are in your surroundings. Or as Darth
Vader said in Star Wars, 'I feel a disturbance in the Force.'
Quite a useful skill in being aware of my world.
It is also excellent for use as a healing tool. There were many other
wild and wonderful things he taught and told me but that is for another
time.
As Danijel said in so many words, this energy can be qualitatively
measured and used. Its real and not a manipulative trick of the mind.
Levity and levitation,
Susan
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:39:31 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: "keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu" <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
CC: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
"'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
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Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA-The Reality of Practice
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Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> None of the teachers that I hold dearest - e.g. HH the Dalai Lama or Swami
> Shivom Tirth, ever appealed to their own experience or knowledge as
> authoritative. They, and others, always appealed to the wonderful breadth
> of the experiential literature of the ages as the authority and presented
> themselves as simply humbly traversing the path to try to understand and
> experience it for themselves. They extended the opportunity to join them on
> this trek and I have joined them. Personally I feel it very liberating not
> to be an authority. Try it, maybe you'll like it.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Kurt
Harsha is tired but replies with a smile: Kurt, I am glad you have had
wonderful and humble teachers who have invited you to join them on a trek and
that you have done so. I am also glad that you feel liberated because you are
not an authority. It is kind of you to advise me to try do the same. I find it
liberating to speak from my own experience. Thank you for your thoughts. Best
wishes.
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In a message dated 98-03-25 14:23:32 EST, you write:
<< Where does:
I am that I am
come from? Is it biblical? I've seen it someplace recently, and it was
shouted at me a couple nights ago.
Thanks,
Love, Hillary
>>
Exodus 3:14
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:17:09 -0000
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-Vows
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Dirk Haueter <Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com> wrote at date: Wednesday, March 25,
1998 4:39 PM
>Maybe we continue to eat chocolate after realizing our enlightenment simply
out
>of habit. There is a phrase in from the Vedic perspective: laysavidya (sp?)
the
>remains of ignorance. The idea is that when someone wakes up from the idea
of
>being the author of action and realizes that the Self alone is that
something
>still allows them to function in the world. That something is laysavidya -
the
>remains of ignorance.
>
>"The unreal has no being, the real never ceases to be."
I vaguely remember the analogies. When a motor is unpowered, the flywheel
keeps it spinning for a while. When a piece of cloth is burnt, it looks like
a cloth but upon touching it falls apart. When the engines are stopped, a
boat will continue to move in the same direction.
"Nothing can contain it - yet it contains all".
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 9:08 AM
>To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
>Subject: Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-Vows
>
>>
>>
>>Jan Barendrecht wrote:
>>
>>> Jan: Hmmmm.... Attached to vows? The vow is made with the same
>>> detachment .....
>>>
>>> Harsha: If there is already detachment, then there is nothing to
>>> propel one to take a vow. For example, let us say I am indifferent to
>>> Chocolate. Would I now stand in front of my favorite Deity and say "I
>>> swear by God, I shall eat Chocolate no more!" Do you see the logic?
>>>
>
>It is obvious that someone taking the Bodhisattva vow is NOT detached so
the
>`if' is invalid. In my native language indifference can have a very
>negative meaning. If a child is indifferent to chocolate and shows it
>clearly, it is seen as rather impolite. If the same child is detached, it
>accepts the chocolate like all the other children and simply eats it
without
>caring a ATnospam#!!* for the taste. As someone who considers the practical side
of
>things first, your swearing to God, not to eat chocolate anymore, implies
an
>invitation to rudeness when it comes to accepting an offer made by poor
>people in a third world country who would offer a piece of chocolate.
>Someone who is indifferent to chocolate would not make any statement about
>chocolate because that is what indifference is about - not caring aATnospam#!!*
for
>chocolate itself and everything that has to do with chocolate. Being
>indifferent to chocolate and despite of that involving oneself in swearing
>about its use etc. is contradictory. It only would show you care enough
>about chocolate to start swearing about its use, right? You don't become
>detached overnight - it takes a long practice. Indifference doesn't need
>practice - it shows very clearly in many from birth on. IMHO, there is a
>vast difference. The quality of detachment is sattva, of indifference is
>tamas.
>
>Jan
>
>
>
>
>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:56:39 -0000
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-Vows
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>Jan Barendrecht wrote:
>> As someone who considers the practical side of
>> things first, your swearing to God, not to eat chocolate anymore, implies
an
>> invitation to rudeness when it comes to accepting an offer made by poor
>> people in a third world country who would offer a piece of chocolate.
Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> wrote at date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998
2:31 PM
> The Compassionate Harsha replies: Jan, I did not wish to upset you about
>Chocolate and all. Please do not take things this seriously. Perhaps words
are
>being misunderstood on e-mail as it often happens. If it makes you happy, I
>wish to let it be known widely that I will not turn down gifts of
Chocolate. God
>bless everyone who eats Chocolate and everyone who does not eat Chocolate.
Be at
>peace. If I need to accomodate further on this matter please let me know.
>
The chocolate vow did ring a bell with me - it reminded me of the
consequences.
Actually, I know vegans who did harm because of a ‘vow´ never to eat animal
products again. As these people have strict ethical reasons only, they were
not aware of the damage (spiritually) their attitude inflicted on others. On
an African trip as a fruitarian you always carry a bag of fruits with you -
just in case there is nothing to buy for a few days. When it happens you are
invited for lunch and it turns out to consist of fried flies, it is an
insult to say: "I am a fruitarian for health reasons so I will eat only a
few mangos from my bag". No doubt the insult will leave a very strong,
unfavorable impression with your host that will survive the grave. The
logical thing to do is to eat as little flies as possible (it leaves more
for the others too) and then share the mangos with your host and his family.
When subjected to the norms of other cultures, one finds out very quickly
what the differences are between detachment, indifference and how vows can
turn out. Even now, there still are places on this planet where mentioning
the word ‘meditation´ would result in the question: "can we eat it"? So I am
glad that at least there are some religions and organizations that address
this question first. In the above example, eating the mangos while your host
and family would be feasting on the flies, would have meant indifference (to
the gesture of hospitality) on your behalf. Eating a few flies first and
then sharing the mangos means detachment (from principle and possession of
fruits). For these poor people, the Bodhisattva vow would have had no
significance at all. Mentioning it would have meant indifference (to their
present fate, being concerned with getting food).
Jan
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:06:14 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: puppy love
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Hello Erudite List!!
Anyone out there know Chinese?? Just was found by this puppy...
she is only half Sharpei..but favors that half.. ( other half is chow)
you know
those wrinkly-faced dogs. So help me name her a Chinese name..ok??
She has a calm, quiet nature..for a puppy, especially. And a loving
heart, of course. She's a golden honey brown, except for the black on
her face and tail. Any nice names?? If no Chinese known.. will then
consider Hindu suggestions.
The very smitten with puppy love
Glo Lee
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Date: Tue, 25 Mar 97 08:03:23 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: too much fasting
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on 24 Mar 98, Dan Margolis wrote...
>Mr. Lobster,
>
> I was surprised and happy to see that you consider the kundalini activation
>irrelevant. Could you expand on this for my benefit? Personally I feel more
that
>it's something that's happening to me, that is related to my spiritual growth
but is
>not my spiritual growth itself. I'm wondering if that's what you mean, or if
there
>is a different meaning. There are a lot of silly people out there that have
gone
>through kundalini awakening and a lot of solid good people that haven't.
>
>Your thoughts?
>
> Dan M.
>
>
Mr Margolis Sir,
Everything relates to ones spiritual growth.
Because kundalini is often a dramatic occurence it may have more potential to
further ones understanding.
Spiritual growth is not in the experience but in how one relates to the
experience. Growth I would suggest is the development of wisdom - the
application of knowledge.
Shallow people think spiritual growth is something to do with interfering with
street lights or roasting people with a flash of the eyes.
This is why the activation of siddhis is so often detrimental. Psychic gifts can
be developed by quite ignorant people. They interpret these as signs of their
inner development. Laughable . . .
If kundalini develops qualities of kindness, humility, peacefulness, love etc
then great. Music may do this, poetry or art and so on. One may develop such
qualities from talking to friends or through life experience. One may have a
mental breakdown or illness from which one learns - a whole variety of potential
resources.
There are many genuine mystics who have no experience of any K symptoms. Many
mystics who develop kundalini type manifestations constantly tell people of
their irrelevance but people have a taste for such trivia . . .
Kundalini is the activation of latent physical energies. It is like having an
active imagination - good luck to those with it. What has it to do with
spiritual growth? - totally dependent on the people involved.
It is a bit like believing (as some do) that the cultivation of the body will
develop one spiritually. Now it is true that there is a mind-body link. If you
have no legs this will effect your mind and hence your spirit. People who are
fit are more able and dynamic people - more spiritual? - are athletes more
spiritual? Physical health is important, kundalini energy may be
transformational. However consider:
One of the great Sufis was thrown out of the mosque (probably for speaking the
Truth). When asked if he felt any ill will to his detractors he stated that
every time his head hit the steps of the mosque as he tumbled down he
experienced a different heavenly state. Who was there to feel ill will towards?
Now he was either light headed from too much fasting or perhaps he was
experiencing a negative condition in a positive way (sounds like crossed wires
to me)
So it is not what we experience but how.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (one of the silly people)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:49:00 -0600
From: "Mark A. Collins" <themacmanATnospammacsrule.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Illogical Buddhism
Message-ID: <3519DE39.52DCATnospammacsrule.com>
For most of my life, I've tried to understand the way in which the
world works. By using Spirituality as a guide, I've used Science to
describe exactly how the Universe unfolds in all of it's miraculous
ways. My view of Science perfectly explains everything from Kundalini,
miracles, why some suffer, why some live in joy, and why it seems no
Divine Power intervenes and "fixes" the "terrible evils" that supposedly
happen on Earth.
However, understanding does not bring faith. Understanding prevents
faith. Understanding attempts to catalog and describe all of creation so
that life can be reasoned about, not experienced. Those who understand
make good teachers of philosophy. However, those who have faith are
great teacher of miracles.
So, I am at a point in my life where I'm attempting to do the toughest
thing ever: not to think.
Your thoughts, worries, expectations, and beliefs do interfere with the
awakening of the Kundalini. They thus keep you from peace and joy.
Decartes would have been closer to the truth if he said, "I don't
think, therefore I am all."
Mark A. Collins
"The MAC Man"
themacmanATnospammacsrule.com
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