1998/03/25 12:56
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #231
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 231
Today's Topics:
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #228 [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
PRANAYAMA-The Reality of Practice [ Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu> ]
resentment [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: PRANAYAMA-The Reality of Practic [ stuartf <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com> ]
No self? [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Unresolved side-effect [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
chalta hai [ Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net. ]
RE: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-V [ Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com (Dirk Hauet ]
Re: Enlightenment [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Unresolved side-effect [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: eyebeams [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: No self? [ Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: No self? [ "Curtis, Concetta M." <CURTICMATnospamhoem ]
Re: gurus/masters [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: [Fwd: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 # [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Language [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
I am that I am [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: join the fun :-)))) [ anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities. ]
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:45:12 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #228
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Jan,
could you please fix your mailer to get rid of that really annoying HTML
stuff at the end? it makes it a pain to quote your replies because i have
to cut all that html stuff out. Thank you.
(this list member is using Unix PineMail, i cant see colours or anything
either)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:14:25 -0000 From: "Jan Barendrecht"
jan wrote>
<<Many discussions mix or comment the view from the top of the =
mountain with the view at its base. If the black belt hero would be a =
fully enlightened yogi, he would only perceive Self and wouldn't act. =
If he would consider life to be an illusion, >>
in the buddhist view there is no Atman! hence no Self. and there would be
no more illusions because one would see the clear primordial reality of
what really is.
i dont agree that she wouldnt act.
Nansen came into a monestary where the monks were arguing over a cat.
He held up the cat and stated "Give me one good word or the cat dies!"
No one answered, Nansen cut the cat in two.
Laster Joshu came by and nansen relayed the story. he asked Joshu, "what
would you have done?". Joshu put his shoes on his head and walked out of
the monestary.
In this case, the cat didnt belong. The correct function is to do
something to illustrate that. This requires action, and its pretty clear
what that action is. If you can see clearly that is. If you think about
yourself, nogo it wont make sense.
In the systems of pantanjali, there may not be room for the Bodhisattva,
but there are nine Yanas and not everyone is following the same one.
i cannot speak for this, i do not know it at all, pantanjali is just a
name to me.
But there is more than one way to the top of this mountain. My paradigm is
not yours, your eyes are not in my head, altho we do share tears.
In the perceptions of beings to be tamed, there will always be
Bodhisattvas and Avatars,
This one is greatful to them.
i do not think there is a need for 'one correct way'. There are many ways
that are correct according the needs of beings. Are there not 4 yoga
paths? Bhakti, raja, hatha and karma? Even an analytical path has some
Bhakti in it, Even Bhakti has touches of the others. (exhausting my
knowlege of Yoga in one fell paragraph!)
How can one pick apart the system of another just because that system does
not apply to onesself? i'm not a theist, but when i see the word God, i
know that it applies quite reasonably and provable to others. Just because
something is beyond my perception doesnt invalidate it.
So when someone tells me that 'god is in my heart' i may interpret that
differently than they do, but they are still 'right'! Their karmic vision
allows for God where mine goes 'say what?--according to this that & the
other this doesnt fit'. But its not my puzzle piece on my path right now.
That doesnt invalidate it though.
I noticed someone reacting to my 'this sentence doesnt make sense to me'
about God seemed to feel they could not say the word. Not true! if God is
part of your spirituality, dont let my viewpoint unsettle you. Its a
matter of 'if what i have said upsets you, please forget you heard it'.
Thats all for a wednesday.
maitri (Lovingkindness, the first boundless state)
--janpa tsomo
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:05:07 -0500
From: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
CC: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: PRANAYAMA-The Reality of Practice
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Anurag Goel wrote:
> Hi,
> i have experienced that bhasrika can be a quick way of kundalini
> awakening . I am not saying that i have awakenend my kundalini
> through bhasrika.
> Love,
> anurag
Harsha: Yes, one may awaken one's Kundalini in meditation, and still practice
Bhastrika along with Bandhas as one of the supplementary spiritual practices.
Bhastrika is one of the most powerful pranayama exercises and indeed one of the
more complex subjects just by itself. Kapalabhati is simply a preparatory
exercise for it. In Bhastrika the full capacity of the lungs (both upper and
lower portions) is used. Other physical practices are combined with Bhastrika
for the full effect. Yesterday Kurt suggested that Bhastrika could not awaken
the Kundalini and cited B.K.S Iyengar as support. It actually depends on how
Bhastrika is practiced and with what intensity. Mild practice of Bhastrika is a
very helpful supplement to meditation but may not directly awaken the
Kundalini. But practiced properly with discipline under close guidance
Bhastrika can be very effective in awakening the Kundalini and even helpful in
breaking of the three Granthis. To say that the practice of Bhastrika
absolutely cannot lead to Kundalini awakening is plain wrong regardless of
whether B.K.S Iyengar says it or someone else. A person may be well known but
still may not have engaged in proper practice and therefore may not be aware of
the correct nature of things. My paper below discusses the role of Pranayama
and Meditation in Kundalini Awakening and gives appropriate cautions. It is
authoratative and based on my own experiences.
>The Spiritual Experience and the Awakening of
>Kundalini Shakti in Tantra Yoga
>http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/kundalini/harsh.html
>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:43:51 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: resentment
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"Stop it!
Sick of
this
stuff!
sick of
waiting in line
(why cant i be first? i *should* be first!)"
old woman complains.
she is last
because another is
first.
if not for the last
no first could appear.
If not for
fire,
no ashes.
Karma rising
like a phoenix
Born of the moment's
talking
walking
thinking
and being.
Drop your
desire for first
crabby old woman.
Life suddenly
gets
a lot
easier!
--a letter to myself, janpa tsomo
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:48:02 -0700
From: stuartf <stuartfATnospamdimensional.com>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
CC: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>,
"'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe" <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA-The Reality of Practice
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Harsha, I looked over your paper and specifically the information on Bhastrika.
What I don't see mentioned is the number of "rounds" you think are sufficient to
make this Pranayama invoke the Shakti?
Why do I ask you may wonder? I've started with one, and have increased according
to my own capacity. 4-6 "rounds" a day now which is also influenced by my time
available.
Although I am not working with a guru I think I'm learing about the feel of the
breath and prana in Bhastrika.
Peace
Stuart
> Harsha: .......Bhastrika is one of the most powerful pranayama exercises and
> indeed one of themore complex subjects just by itself. Kapalabhati is simply a
> preparatory
> exercise for it. In Bhastrika the full capacity of the lungs (both upper and
> lower portions) is used. Other physical practices are combined with Bhastrika
> for the full effect....... Mild practice of Bhastrika is a
> very helpful supplement to meditation but may not directly awaken the
> Kundalini. But practiced properly with discipline under close guidance
> Bhastrika can be very effective in awakening the Kundalini and even helpful in
> breaking of the three Granthis. To say that the practice of Bhastrika
> absolutely cannot lead to Kundalini awakening is plain wrong regardless of
> whether B.K.S Iyengar ...... My paper below discusses the role of Pranayama
> and Meditation in Kundalini Awakening and gives appropriate cautions. It is
> authoratative and based on my own experiences.
>
>
> >
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:58:25 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: No self?
Message-ID: <7bd2d26.351929a3ATnospamaol.com>
Dear Janpa,
You wrote:
>in the buddhist view there is no Atman! hence no Self.
I have always understood that this only really applied to Theravada Buddhism,
the Anatta/Anatman Doctrine or whatever it is called. A Mahayana Buddhist
might not agree, certainly D.T. Suzuki didn't! Besides, whether there is a
Self or not depends on your definition of Self :-)
Just passing thoughts.............
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:03:23 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
CC: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Unresolved side-effect
Message-ID: <35192ACA.E8CE44C2ATnospamconcentric.net>
E Jason wrote:
> on 24 Mar 98, Anurag Goel wrote...
>
> >Hi jan,
> > I remember that I have read somewhere that once a rishi
> > burnt the person alive to ashes with the rays that came from
> > there eyes. May be something regarding this can be found in
> > scriptures. Also the Lord Shiva burnt Kamadeva to ashes from the
> > rays which emmanted from his third eye.
>
> Yes.
> You can never find these guys at barbecues, when you need them most.
> I am not sure about scripture but "Marvel" comics may provide further
> information about this sort of thing . . .
Imagination is the limit... I have met a guy who burns people to third degree
burn on the skin when he is mad at them, just by looking at them. I would
say, he is dangerous to live around if you don't comply to is individual
will, or are not not grounded in the One, at least as much as him.
Our mind, Nature, in the deep subconscious protects us from ourselves. For
the barbecue example, here is a reason among many why those people are hard
to find then. The fire of the barbecue will cook the food we will eat and
thus get our energy from for our body. Seems Nature like to keep the illusion
of the energy we ingest as coming from outside our individual will. Deep
programming stuff there. That, until we open in a equilibrate/balanced way,
all the parts of our mind to the One. It's easier to initiate a destructive
fire than a constructive fire that brings life in some way.
My 2 cents.
Antoine
--
"A new world is born in every moment. The question is, are we present to
this magnificent birth?" Marcus S. Robinson
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:48:28 +0500 (GMT+0500)
From: Peswani <peswaniATnospamgiaspn01.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: chalta hai
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Enlightment vs Bhoddisattva
This is my personal journey from enlightment to Bhodisattva.
Before june 92, i was a normal person.
In June 94, I became enlightened.
In Mid July 94, some thing inside this body of mine decided to
take to this path of bhoddhisattva.
As a result I lost this enlightment and again became a normal
person, except for the knowlege in each and every kalapa (body cell) of
this body that they are changing slowly into bhodhisattva kalapas.
AND THIS PROCESS IS NOW IRREVERSIBLE.
This and many other bodies behind this body will become ninth
Bhoddhisattva for this part of the solar world.
This process is very rare.
I do not expect anyone to beleive this statement of mine, because
some one in me also is watching this process with wonderment and DISBELEIF
every moment since June 94.
This journey is painful both from outside and inside.
Inside because every moment this body is collecting mind energy
from surroundings and integrating it into higher energy thro physical pain
throughout this body.
Outside because there is none to share or understand this pain.
This Bhoddhisattva body has desires, likes and dislikes like any
normal person but also has a WISDOM which separates the karma effects of
these desires on this body by going thro a process of cleaning.
Assuming enlightment as total freedom from karmas (I take this
meaning of enlightment), an enlightened person will be free from desires,
likes, dislikes and DISEASES.
Every day I go thro this process of cleaning of collected karmas
and keep this body totally free from all diseases. Not even a minor
headache or sneeze is possible when one is free from karmas. During those
short meditative periods I am enlightened.
Sleep is the time when outside energy enters this body and fills
it with karmas of other souls and takes away the enlightment.
When each and every kalapa of this body has become bhoddhisattva
(the process is complete) there will be no necessity of sleep.
List members may or may not agree with my above experiences but
SUB CHALTA HAI. SHAHANSHAH
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:27:11 -0500
From: Dirk_HaueterATnospamhrsoft.com (Dirk Haueter)
To: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: RE: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-Vows
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Maybe we continue to eat chocolate after realizing our enlightenment simply out
of habit. There is a phrase in from the Vedic perspective: laysavidya (sp?) the
remains of ignorance. The idea is that when someone wakes up from the idea of
being the author of action and realizes that the Self alone is that something
still allows them to function in the world. That something is laysavidya - the
remains of ignorance.
"The unreal has no being, the real never ceases to be."
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From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 9:08 AM
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-Vows
>
>
>Jan Barendrecht wrote:
>
>> Jan: Hmmmm.... Attached to vows? The vow is made with the same
>> detachment .....
>>
>> Harsha: If there is already detachment, then there is nothing to
>> propel one to take a vow. For example, let us say I am indifferent to
>> Chocolate. Would I now stand in front of my favorite Deity and say "I
>> swear by God, I shall eat Chocolate no more!" Do you see the logic?
>>
It is obvious that someone taking the Bodhisattva vow is NOT detached so the
`if' is invalid. In my native language indifference can have a very
negative meaning. If a child is indifferent to chocolate and shows it
clearly, it is seen as rather impolite. If the same child is detached, it
accepts the chocolate like all the other children and simply eats it without
caring a ATnospam#!!* for the taste. As someone who considers the practical side of
things first, your swearing to God, not to eat chocolate anymore, implies an
invitation to rudeness when it comes to accepting an offer made by poor
people in a third world country who would offer a piece of chocolate.
Someone who is indifferent to chocolate would not make any statement about
chocolate because that is what indifference is about - not caring aATnospam#!!* for
chocolate itself and everything that has to do with chocolate. Being
indifferent to chocolate and despite of that involving oneself in swearing
about its use etc. is contradictory. It only would show you care enough
about chocolate to start swearing about its use, right? You don't become
detached overnight - it takes a long practice. Indifference doesn't need
practice - it shows very clearly in many from birth on. IMHO, there is a
vast difference. The quality of detachment is sattva, of indifference is
tamas.
Jan
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:46:57 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
CC: margolisATnospamtransbay.net, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Enlightenment
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Afperry wrote:
> "Before enlightenment, chopping wood and drawing water. After enlightenment,
> chopping wood and drawing water".
>
> You may know the saying (I hope I have got it right), I think it's quite well
> known: and its message is both relevant and profound!
Hello Alan,
I like this one it's Chinese, goes like this from what i remember.
When you are born trees are trees, mountains are mountains...
As you grow, trees are not trees anymore, mountains not mountains, ...
After "enlightenment" trees become AGAIN trees, mountains become AGAIN
mountains,...
Antoine
--
"A new world is born in every moment. The question is, are we present to this
magnificent birth?" Marcus S. Robinson
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:42:18 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Unresolved side-effect
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Hi,
I have also noticed this many a times that when one is staring at
back of people.They come to know that someone is staring at them.
When people stare at me i unconciously turn my head towards that
direction. I think subconcious mind has the to play in this.
love,
anurag
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Jan Barendrecht wrote:
> Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> wrote at date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 7:01 PM
>
>
>
> >Dear Jan,
> >Recently read Wayne Dyers "Your Sacred Self" and he spoke of doing this
> >too, as in just staring at the back of people he was able to get them to
> >notice and turn around..the exact mechanism seems scientifically
> >unexplainable to me, but any focus of attention seems to be perceivable
> >by most people. Have you tried this lately?? Dyer also was staring at
> >the backs..of strangers passing by on a path, who would not have seen
> >him readily. Would make an interesting experiment.
>
> Dear Gloria,
>
> Maybe there was a difference. I could clearly feel ‘energy-beams´ from t
he eyes. By staring at people, nothing happened. Only when I made a conscious
effort to throw a glance on someone, it happened. Because the link was made
by the association with the energy-beams, I never tried it again. Anurag
suggested a build-up of electricity; it is quite possible. The only
explanation that I can think of is that prana isn´t just purely psychical o
r imaginative; it could be the ‘precursor´ of energy as we know it. If th
is is true, it would account for the easy transformation into all known kinds
of energy, often observed by all with an active K.. A phenomenon I could
observe also was a sudden build up of static electricity
(no friction by movement of body or air) and scientifically this is too
crazy for words: charges must be balanced.
0 But I´ll take your suggestion and try if it still works. As the most
frequently used cloths here
are beachwear and T-shirt, the energy can penetrate easily.
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:00:31 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: eyebeams
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Hi,
What has been described by susan are the practices which one does
to find how much has one progressed in hypnotism. it is like you
with the help of your subconscious mind you are giving orders to
the subconscious mind of others. If the subconscious mind of others
is weaker than you then it's o.k. oterwise nothing will happen
because a weaker force can't move a stronger force.
There is a book on hypnotism which describe s alot on hypnotism.
A very good book.
" PRACTICAL HYPNOTISM " By DR. NARAYANA DUTT
SHRIMALI
following is the address from where it can be had
PUSTAK MAHAL, KHARA BAWALI, DELHI-110006, INDIA
Cost of book is around Rs. 50/-
One can get the book from this address by V.P.P(Value Payable By Post)
Love,
anurag
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Susan Carlson wrote:
> I play a game with friends now and then called 'gotcha, made you look!'
>
> In a space where there is some distance between you and a friend,say,
> across a large room, begin staring at your friend's ear at the same time
> think, 'scratch, scratch, scratch your ear'. Sometimes I reach out with
> an imaginary hand and tweak it. While you focus, with all the intent of
> making them scratch their ear. Eventually their hand will go up and they
> will start swatting at their ear with their hand. giggle.
> finally they will look around for whatever 'bug' is bothering them and
> you give them a big smile and go 'gotcha!'
>
> This technique was very useful to use on staff when i used to produce
> seminars. I could see someone across the room talking, not paying
> attention, whatever. I would focuse intensely, with pinpoint precision
> on their face thinking,'look at me', and they would almost always turn
> around and do so.
>
> A teacher was once telling me a story about this technique using chi in
> this way. 'I had a student who used to sit in airports, focusing on
> people seeing if he could get them to scratch their ears, or turn
> around, stop what they were doing to see what was bugging them. This
> student was having a series of successes, getting everyone to look up.
> Finally, he saw this elderly woman, knitting, waiting for her plane. "ah
> ha", he thought, "this will be easy". He stared and focused and stared
> and focused. Nothing. He kept staring and focusing, not being able to
> figure out what was wrong with this woman that she would not look up.
> Soon the elderly woman rose to board her plane. As she walked by the
> student, she looked down at him and said, 'Dont f**k with me young man,'
> and kept walking.' My teacher said the moral of the story was to never
> play this game with strangers.
>
> If you have friends that are somewhat familiar with the ways of using
> energy, this is a fun game that teaches you how to focus the chi that
> comes from your eyes.
>
> As with any game using energy, watch your intent, or karma comes back
> and bites you in the ass. :)))
>
> Blessings,
> Susan
>
> PS
> Stuart Wilde discusses this technique in one of his very first books.
> Wish I could remember the name.
>
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:51:54 EST
From: Afperry <AfperryATnospamaol.com>
To: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: No self?
Message-ID: <4c4c8ae3.3519443cATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 25/3/98 4:09:55 pm, you wrote:
>atman is this permanent unchanging something.......
I would agree that the concept of unceasing change is universal to Buddhism.
But there are many Buddhists who accept this concept while still believing
that there is a soul that reincarnates from life to life - in other words,
that the soul is enduring but not necessarily permanent.
After all, what is a soul? Is it not just an agglomeration of energies, our
karma (whatever terminology one might wish to use) and of course this cannot
be permanent. But does that mean it does not exist?
Depends on your definition, I suppose!
With blessings,
Alan
Date: 25 Mar 1998 12:36:31 -0500
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Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 11:04 AM
To: Debora A. Orf
Cc: Kundalini Mailing List
Subject: No self?
Dear Janpa,
You wrote:
>in the buddhist view there is no Atman! hence no Self.
I have always understood that this only really applied to Theravada
Buddhism,
the Anatta/Anatman Doctrine or whatever it is called. A Mahayana Buddhist
might not agree, certainly D.T. Suzuki didn't! Besides, whether there is
a
Self or not depends on your definition of Self :-)
Just passing thoughts.............
With blessings,
Alan
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:00:41 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: gurus/masters
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> >
> >Hi Susan,
> > MASTERS/GURU are god realised. Can they lose there
> realisation
> > of GOD just by a change of place .
>
> Hi!
> We did, what makes them so special? They just remembered in this place
> quicker than we did.
Anurag > Isn't that enough.
>
> > They are disciples
> > but in the kindom of GOD.
>
> Arent we all, regardless of our status, location, and religious
> affliliation?
TRUE
love,
anurag
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:03:20 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
Cc: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>,
Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222]
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Hi,
what i am able to make out from this is that one dissolves in to
universe.
Love,
anurag
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Harsh Luthar wrote:
> Dan Margolis wrote:
>
> > A student asked a Zen Master, "Where does an enlightened master go after he
> > dies? Is he reborn or is he freed from the earth?"
> >
> > The Zen Master answered "Which direction does a fire go after is extinguished
> > to the North or to the South?"
> >
> > Dan M.
>
> Harsha: A truly profound and a beautiful answer.
>
>
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:07:12 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in
Cc: kundalini-l <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Language
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Hi everyone,
can I know how many of you can read HINDI?
Love,
anurag
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:22:36 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: I am that I am
Message-ID: <9618f976.3519597eATnospamaol.com>
Where does:
I am that I am
come from? Is it biblical? I've seen it someplace recently, and it was
shouted at me a couple nights ago.
Thanks,
Love, Hillary
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:47:24 -0800
From: anandajyoti <anandajyotiATnospamgeocities.com>
To: Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: join the fun :-))))
Message-ID: <35195F43.371AC333ATnospamgeocities.com>
Hi Jan !
This one is for keepers. Amidst all the changes in my life and the world around
me, this never ending drama of what we call life is the whole fun, albeit
happening at the same time everywhere on the Universal screen. The witness has
its moments of laughter and joy also and all the other opposites. To be or not
to be , that is the question---as Shakespeare had written. Or Enlightened with
Enlightenment itself.
Anandajyoti
http>//www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/6782
Jan Barendrecht wrote:
> A little flexibility is nice, a bit more is great, so lets go:
>
> Enlightened with an addiction to chocolate
> Enlightened with an aversion for logic
> Enlightened without burning k. fire
> Enlightened in a burning spitfire
> Enlightened by following the path of MMY (Money Making Yoga)
> Enlightened by the collective wisdom of your harem
> Enlightened with the aid of your nagging wife, kids and mother in law
> Enlightened with the aid of Osho
> Enlightened despite the aid of Osho
> Enlightened by using 110 V AC (USA)
> Enlightened by using 230 V AC (Europe)
> Enlightened by using 380 V 3-phase (engineers only)
> Enlightened and hit by lightning, followed by a thundering Nirvana
> (Buddhists only)
>
> Have fun ---- more suggestions??
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