1998/03/25 07:45
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #230
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 230
Today's Topics: Re: street lights and K? [ Ann Morrison Fisher ]
Re: Beliefs [ Rhk47f2ATnospamwebtv.net (Robert Krueger) ] Re: Gurus and Disciples/reply [ Mystress Angelique Serpent ]
know Thought [ E Jason ] Re Friends of Gopi Krishna [ Chris Hughes ]
Re: you're doing it wrong [ E Jason ] Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-V [ Harsh Luthar ]
Re: [Fwd: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 # [ Harsh Luthar ] Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:40:59 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: street lights and K? Message-Id:
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Hi Michele: Sorry, didn't notice that your note was cc'd to k-list. Posting my reply now, a bit late. Up to you whether you want to post any
or all of your answer to me.
MMeyers541 wrote:
>Just went thru a similar experience--which, as an astrologer, I would normally >attribute to Mercury Rx, but the next one doesn't start until, I believe,
>Friday. >Here's what happened: Nite before bus. trip to Miami ATnospam 11 PM after working 18
>hrs. in prep for trip, mouse goes out on computer--not able to use 2 days' >worth of work on trip bec. have to leave at 4:30 AM; can't replace mouse.
>Flight canceled due to mech'l bkdown. In Miami, laptop computer won't work. >Once up & running, email doesn't work. Go into client's office--their system
>crashes. Try to use hotel fax/email/computer: out of order. 2 ATM machines >don't work. Office sends me Fed Ex--never receive. Office sends me
>fax--hotel delivers to wrong room. Hotel has false fire alarm at 4:30 AM. I >go into client's on Sunday, work OT to catch up: next day, go to email work
>to Denver--work missing on laptop. Try to make urgent phone call--FOUR PAY >PHONES IN A ROW DON'T WORK. Go to L.A. At airport, try to call cousin:
>THREE PAY PHONES DON'T WORK!!! At cousin's, flush toilet: Pipe breaks loose: >bathroom & bedrom flood. ATnospamATnospamXX$$%%&???!!!!!!
> >What are your thoughts on all THIS??? (Besides the Universe telling me I'm
>probably in the wrong job??) Thx for listening--Michele >
> P.S. In a sense, similar to your sep. w/husband--I had already "separated" >from my job as a tech writer--have been discussing writing assignmts w/ eds.
>of astrology publications, etc.
This is very interesting! You didn't tell me what date you left on the trip. And I don't seem to have your natal chart. I suppose you looked at
all the transits to your chart.
So then - what about transits to "trigger points" from eclipses in about the last year? Either trigger points in the eclipse charts or between the
eclipse charts and your own, points where the eclipse impacted your chart?
In the recent New Moon eclipse chart Saturn (17 Aries) was quincunx Chiron (18 Scorpio), widely trine Pluto (8 Sagittarius on the Antares/Aldebaran
axis) and square Venus (25 Capricorn). Chiron was widely sextile Venus, quintile Neptune (1 Aquarius), and square Uranus (10 Aquarius).
At Full Moon, the Moon (22 Virgo) had come sextile Chiron to form a Finger
of Fate pointing to Saturn (19 Aries). Venus was in exact quintile to Saturn and nearing conjunction with Uranus, and Mars/Mercury were heading
for Saturn.
Last weekend Mercury was transitting Saturn's degrees in those charts. Don't know how the houses would fall for your area(s); in the Earth Chart,
Saturn is at the cusp of the 12th.
Just as a general observation, any transits to Pluto while it's on Antares could have some wild effects - awful lot of energy on that axis! And
possibly transits to Neptune while it's opposite Praesepe and the Aselli (degrees of light/blindness). Venus was there at Full Moon.
You could also check out harmonics charts. I don't know much about that; I
worked with it for a while some years back and decided I didn't have the time. If your program will do harmonics charts, it would be easy to look
at them. A 5th harmonic chart might look interesting - I see 1 quintile at New Moon and 2 at Full Moon. (And I don't usually check for any 5th
harmonic aspects other than 72 degrees.) Or some other harmonic that we don't usually check for might prove interesting.
Let me know if you find anything more that's interesting, like where this
might impact your chart. An interesting problem!
Love, Ann
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:51:17 +0100 From: "Jason S. White"
To: "Kundalini" Subject: you're doing it wrong
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Mom said, "you're doing it wrong." And I tried harder to do it right.
She said, "you're still doing it wrong." And I tried still harder to do it right.
Mom asked, "can't you do anything right?"
A crust formed over my spirit. Mom asked, "now what's wrong with you?"
Then I could not answer.
Now. I break the crust of wrong and right.
I drop shadows of an out-grown interpretation, a luggage that binds me to the ideas of myself.
Yes.
There is the past. There is present action.
There is future consequence.
So?
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:19:49 +0100 From: "Sen Ashanka"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: bothered
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Janpa wrote :
>partly i feel ashamed, how long will countries like China be allowed to do >the things they do to their own people?
> >its hard when reading the newstories, you can see the tent walls.
> >part of us is dying because another part of us is cruel.
> >how long until we realize all beings are only our sisters and brothers
>mothers and fathers and friends.
Very well put. There is one philosophical line which ways that we, who are mute observers of crime, are as much
a part of the act as the criminals themselves.
If it were not for our mute consent, crime and oppression would not continue.
This realisation that we are all brothers and sisters, mothers,
fathers and friends is the Universal Brotherhood. This has been the direction of all realised saints through the ages.
As for how long, well, this is a part of the illusionary world,
which in Indian terms is called "maya". This world which is apparent to out limited senses and intellect is always like this an will
always remain like this. Over 3000 years of known history has shown us that this has not changed. And it is likely that things
will not change much. Sorry to sound pessimistic, but I am being realistic. We have to do "our bit" in reducing pain and spreading
love. But the world will remain like this. This is His play and He will decide what is to be done with His world. We are just His
reflection and act by His will......
Atrocities in China is one of the few reported incidents. There
are daily atrocities in every country, every city.... every home.... There are also daily acts of heroism, bravery, self-less sactifice
in every country, every city.... every home.....
So, be not disturbed by such news. Such is the character of the universe. The Romans oppressed, the Monguls oppressed, The Chinese
oppress.... This will remain.
We have to realise that God contains the good and the bad, but He is not contained in them. Like the clouds darken the
sky, but the sky is beyond the clouds and is never coloured.
Cheers and love to all Ashanka
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:27:24 EST From: SIRaCH9310
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Kundalini
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Hello folks just a site by a really down to earth man who has written about Kundalini,You might want to check it out.
Christian Spirituality Resources
http://www.feist.com/~philisa/phil.html His name is Philip St. Romain. I
just learned of him via Center-L mail list. Peace and Joy and perhaps a little pain too.No Pain No Gain :-)
Alan Sirach's Master Links
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:51:23 From: Rhk47f2ATnospamwebtv.net (Robert Krueger) (by way of Mystress Angelique Serpent )
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Cc: Rhk47f2ATnospamwebtv.net
Subject: Re: Beliefs Message-Id:
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Dear Mistress, If you could, would you please post the following piece I wrote
almost 10 years ago to myself. Robert
The autoable life stream That which procedth forth into this world. A river of life, of positive
energy, love , and that which is good ,Of God himself,the spark of all life,there for all to tap at will,with pure spirit as your guide,To
billions of worlds and universes at your fingertips. This spark is your soul. The spirit is the body
within you.Unite this with mind and body,and become free to see and visit, these far away heavenly places.For God himself,exists at the
head of this stream.and he himself designed us with the ability to tap into it,and learn our true identity and abilities,of which makes this
life and planet,but a grain of sand upon the desert,compaired to that of his whole creation.So go forward,within yourself,and find that
spark,your soul,and travel there,within the light,as your designed to do.
Thank You, Robert
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:39:49 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: "Gloria Lee" Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hari_patelATnospamlondonelec.co.uk, rhavyATnospamglobalnet.co.uk,
lobsterATnospamclara.net Subject: Re: Gurus and Disciples/reply
Message-Id:
At 14:39 23/03/98 PST, Gloria Lee wrote:
> To boldy go where I have never ventured before, may I
>suggest that anyone who already controls so much electrical power needs >very little ego encouragement. While he may indeed BE an excellent
>choice of guru, perhaps your own inadequacies as a trainer are the real >issue which needs addressing here. Sending a few books hardly seems
>sufficent. >
>Apparently AS Qualified Training Consultant, >Glo Lee
> How very interesting.. slave #1 of 9 also works as a control engineer for
an electric company.. but he is training me to be his guru, as he finds his mind is healthier when he is tightly restrained, gagged, blindfolded,
earplugs, et all.. detachment via bondage and sensory deprivation. Good way to learn to astral travel. More fun than three wise monkeys all rolled into
one, in a barrel. Keep breathing.. Blessings, Mystress. Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:06:33
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent To: "Jan Barendrecht"
Cc: Subject: Re: gurus redux
Message-Id:
>From: Harsh Luthar
>>The Compassionate Harsha smiles: As long as one is attached to any vows one
>will >>never become a Buddha. (Please don't beat me!:-).
>> Only if you bribe me... your safeword is "yellow". :) Remember this is
only a game, you can stop it anytime. LOL! Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator. Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :) I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 01:51:46 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: E Jason Cc: kundalini
Subject: Re: The Creator Message-Id:
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Heh heh heh.. knew if I waited long enough, you'd admit you are God.. LOL! Thanks.
the very patient and opportunistic Serpent.
At 08:38 24/03/97 GMT, E Jason wrote: >
>Yes. Yes. Everything is my fault. I did it all. I apologise for creating the >universe and everyone in it. My sincere apologies to all concerned . . .
> >The Creator
>and completely responsible Lobster >
> >
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator. Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :) I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it. -- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:36:53 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: Susan Carlson Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Hi Susan, MASTERS/GURU are god realised. Can they lose there realisation
of GOD just by a change of place . They are disciples but in the kindom of GOD.
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Susan Carlson wrote:
> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:42:13 +0530 (IST)
> From: Anurag Goel >
> >
> Anurag wrote: > Hi,
> I want to say something here. I think that masters/gurus > reincarnate
> all the time.But i don't think it's just for the sake of > disciples.
> > I think life is not only on earth but else where too and
> MASTERS/GURUS > must be having disciples there also.
> >
> > Susan writes:
> > If there is life on other places rather than earth then maybe the
> MASTERS/GURUS are the disciples there for their sake and the sake of the > disciples they have on earth.
> > Wondering,
> Susan >
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:40:29 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: Kurt Keutzer Cc: "'Anurag Goel'" ,
Harsh Luthar , "'Harsha1MTM'" , "930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe" ,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Hi, i have experienced that bhasrika can be a quick way of kundalini
awakening . I am not saying that i have awakenend my kundalini through bhasrika.
Love, anurag
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Kurt Keutzer wrote:
>
> Anurag says: > Hi,
> I read somewhere that BHASRIKA is a quick way of awakening kundalini. > I have experienced it too.
> > Love,
> anurag >
> KK: You mean you have experienced .... What? >
> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:45:42 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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"Gloria Lee" wrote:
>LOL..but actually my cars have always loved me. I talk to them and >thank them for working so well for me....
>I have learned to keep all the
>men in my life away from MY car...as their cars are constantly needing >repairs. This is 4 cars in 30 years..and like I said the 3rd one I could
>still be running, but my mom needed it. I can't even keep track of all >the cars my husbands have been thru..let alone the number of repairs
>needed. What sort of yin/yang is this??
Don't know, but I've found the same thing. My husband's cars were always nervous creatures, like him. When I'd get a new car, it would be purring
peacefully, happy as a clam, until he insisted on driving it. Then it would get nervous, and the troubles would start.
Couldn't understand it! He was always so anxious to drive my cars - loved
that peaceful energy, I think. And couldn't seem to understand that as soon as he took the wheel, he shot nervous energy all through the poor car!
Love,
Ann Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:17:19 EST
From: Afperry To: margolisATnospamtransbay.net
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Enlightenment
Message-ID:
Dear Dan,
>In a Japanese Soto Zendo I visit regularly the vow is Dharma Gates are endless I
>vow to enter them. Suggesting there are infinite types of enlightenment.
This thread reminds me of the words of an old Buddhist monk, describing his life:
"Before enlightenment, chopping wood and drawing water. After enlightenment,
chopping wood and drawing water".
You may know the saying (I hope I have got it right), I think it's quite well known: and its message is both relevant and profound!
With blessings,
Alan Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 20:41:31 GMT
From: E Jason To: Harsha1MTM , kundalini
Subject: know Thought Message-Id:
on 24 Mar 98, Harsha1MTM wrote...
>In a message dated 98-03-23 21:25:42 EST, janbarenATnospaminfase.es writes:
> >< What has always amazed me is that only
> Buddhism offers this variety of full enlightenments - to me it defies logic > whereas Buddhism is said to be open to logic. >>
I am sorry I have not been following this thread fully but Buddhsim is not the
only system that has a range of enlightenments. Most systems do. What is almost unique to Buddhism is that there is no neccesity for recourse to
any deity in this process.
>Harsha (trying to suppress laughter): But they say variety is the spice of >life. In any case what is wrong with a little flexibility especially with
>regards to enlightenment? And what does logic have to do with anything anyway!
Logic. Indeed throw it out the window. No one has ever had a logical enlightenment . . .
Here is a question: How many things can you hold in your mind, whilst thinking of all of them?
Then. How many things can you hold in your mind, whilst thinking of none of them?
Then . . . ?
Be Well :D Lobster
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:19:03 +0100 From: Chris Hughes
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re Friends of Gopi Krishna
Message-ID:
Dear Souls I have read Gene Keiffer "no subject" with interest and would like to
bring attention to the following with out expressing opinion. The moment anyone expresses an opinion someone else is unfortunatley
automatically alienated,and it is not my wish to do that. B.S.Goel ( Sri Siddheshwar Baba) has written excellent books
Third Eye and Kundalini ( An experiential Account of Journey From Dust to Divinity)ISBN 81-85082-01-4
Psyco-Anaysis and Meditation I havent got the ISBN handy and other related books
I have read Gopi Krishna Books and also Muktananda THe B.S. Goel books are also excellent giving much identification and
hope to people who feel that they are going mad through the effects of Kundalini awakening. He was originally an athieist and a comunist.
His story is similar to Gopi Krishna in that they both led fairly ordinary lives prior to K and then through the awakening process( wih
difficulty). The books goes into great detail in a scientific way. Most important he is alive today and approchable, he is well
educated. I have no doubt having been to his Ashram and spent a fortnight in his company that he is God realised. Amazing thing
happend on the ashram which I witnessed. Involuntry bastrica in non yoga experienced persons, people had visions who were not normally
visual and a great feeling of non judgmental love for all accompanied by floods of tears was experienced by my self( It is in my nature to
be critical nor am I, as a male, given to tears). The ashram is truly non profit making, I stayed there for pennies.
Any in-depth investigation of Kundalini from a medical point of view will find him a treasure trove.
If you have difficult getting the books from your normal supplier the address is
THIRD EYE FOUNDATION OF INDIA Shri Siddheshwar Ashram
V. & P.O. Bhigaan -131033 Distt. SONEPAT, HARYANA INDIA
I have a fax number for the ashram for anyone who is really
interested. Love Chris Sai Ram
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:05:23 +0000 From: Richard Wentk
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: join the fun :-))))
Message-Id:
At 05:03 25/03/98 -0000, Jan Barendrecht wrote:
>Enlightened and hit by lightning, followed by a thundering Nirvana >(Buddhists only)
> >Have fun ---- more suggestions??
Enlightened by (not) posting to the K list.
;)
R.
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:28:41 PST From: "Susan Carlson"
To: divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com, anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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> >Hi Susan,
> MASTERS/GURU are god realised. Can they lose there realisation
> of GOD just by a change of place .
Hi! We did, what makes them so special? They just remembered in this place
quicker than we did.
> They are disciples > but in the kindom of GOD.
Arent we all, regardless of our status, location, and religious
affliliation?
Love, Susan
>
>On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Susan Carlson wrote: >
>> Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:42:13 +0530 (IST) >> From: Anurag Goel
>> >>
>> >> Anurag wrote:
>> Hi, >> I want to say something here. I think that masters/gurus
>> reincarnate >> all the time.But i don't think it's just for the sake of
>> disciples. >>
>> I think life is not only on earth but else where too and >> MASTERS/GURUS
>> must be having disciples there also. >>
>> >>
>> Susan writes: >>
>> If there is life on other places rather than earth then maybe the >> MASTERS/GURUS are the disciples there for their sake and the sake of
the >> disciples they have on earth.
>> >> Wondering,
>> Susan
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From: E Jason To: Afperry , kundalini
Subject: Re: Enlightenment Message-Id:
on 25 Mar 98, Afperry wrote...
>This thread reminds me of the words of an old Buddhist monk, describing his
>life: >
>"Before enlightenment, chopping wood and drawing water. After enlightenment, >chopping wood and drawing water".
Similar to:
Mountain
No Mountain Mountain
Lobster
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 23:38:22 GMT From: E Jason
To: "Jason S. White" , kundalini Subject: Re: you're doing it wrong
Message-Id:
on 25 Mar 98, Jason S. White wrote...
> >Yes.
>There is the past. >There is present action.
>There is future consequence. >
>So?
The past and future are NOT. Only the action is present
(someone said it is called the Present because it is a gift) So let us straighten out our crooked thinking
whatever the source. We are here now
So now?
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:34:59 -0500 From: Harsh Luthar
To: Jan Barendrecht CC: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-Vows Message-ID:
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Jan Barendrecht wrote:
> As someone who considers the practical side of
> things first, your swearing to God, not to eat chocolate anymore, implies an > invitation to rudeness when it comes to accepting an offer made by poor
> people in a third world country who would offer a piece of chocolate. > Someone who is indifferent to chocolate would not make any statement about
> chocolate because that is what indifference is about - not caring aATnospam#!!* for > chocolate itself and everything that has to do with chocolate. Being
> indifferent to chocolate and despite of that involving oneself in swearing > about its use etc. is contradictory. It only would show you care enough
> about chocolate to start swearing about its use, right? You don´t become > detached overnight - it takes a long practice. Indifference doesn´t need
> practice - it shows very clearly in many from birth on. IMHO, there is a > vast difference. The quality of detachment is sattva, of indifference is
> tamas. >
> Jan
The Compassionate Harsha replies: Jan, I did not wish to upset you about Chocolate and all. Please do not take things this seriously. Perhaps words are
being misunderstood on e-mail as it often happens. If it makes you happy, I wish to let it be known widely that I will not turn down gifts of Chocolate. God
bless everyone who eats Chocolate and everyone who does not eat Chocolate. Be at peace. If I need to accomodate further on this matter please let me know.
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:39:01 -0500 From: Harsh Luthar
To: Dan Margolis CC: Kundalini Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Fwd: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222] Message-ID:
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Dan Margolis wrote:
> A student asked a Zen Master, "Where does an enlightened master go after he
> dies? Is he reborn or is he freed from the earth?" >
> The Zen Master answered "Which direction does a fire go after is extinguished > to the North or to the South?"
> > Dan M.
Harsha: A truly profound and a beautiful answer.
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