1998/03/25 00:41
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #229
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 229
Today's Topics:
Re: [ Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.co ]
Re: street lights and K? [ Uni8077 <Uni8077ATnospamaol.com> ]
[Fwd: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222] [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: Abhyasa Yoga [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: [Fwd: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 # [ MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com> ]
gurus/masters [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
join the fun :-)))) [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
eyebeams [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
eyebeams [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Unresolved side-effect [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:48:43 +0100
From: Gloria Greco <lodpressATnospamintercomm.com>
To: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
CC: pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:
Message-ID: <3518000A.174BATnospamintercomm.com>
HI Gene,
I have a few doctor friends here in N. Nevada that would be good people
to put on the list. I will get the information to you to send to them.
One runs a huge clinic called Excalibur, so you can tell he is quite
unusual. He is very metaphysical and a dear friend, Dr. Zimmet.
I also know people at our county hospital who have brought the holistic
movement into the hospital. I think they may be ready to receive this
information. They just had a women's health conference where they
brought in a doctor who has done research on the power of prayer and
traditional medicine working together, Dr. Dooey. In fact, he might be
interesting to get the information to.
They found out from 1200 people who were in the study, 600 were prayed
for and 600 were not. Those who were had no people on life support after
similiar Heart attacks, and out of the 600 who were not prayed for, 12
were on life support, I think 2 died and there were many, many more
complications in comparison to the ones prayed for. This was an
interesting speaker for a hospital to bring to Reno wouldn't you say.
Reno is very progressive in this. I was a part of the movement to get
this going when we had our newspaper, so I can check to see who is in
charge now.
And several others I know would be interested. You can put a note that
Gloria Greco asked you to send it to them. That will get their
attention.
Give me more information on the group starting, I would be interested
in knowing more. And if there is someway I can help just let me know.
I would love to see this targeted to some kind of study with mental
illness because it is in direct connection to the awakening process. I
do know that this is an area that could be forever changed with some
awareness brought into it about how spirit works. It isn't just
kundalini, it is the whole awareness aspect of life beyond what is
known. Gloria
Gene Kieffer wrote:
>
> Dear Pam and Gloria,
>
> Thanks for including me in this lastest discussion on the chaos that
> resides in the mental hospitals due, in large measure, to the refusal of
> psychologists and psychiatrists to look into Kundalini.
>
> It may be that in ten, twenty or thirty years, the situation will
> change, but this is not very likely UNLESS people such as yourself come
> together to "force" a change.
>
> This has always been the way when a new idea is introduced into
> society, and whether we like to think so or not, Kundalini at this stage
> is a "new idea" when it comes to the professionals.
>
> Last month, while in Brazil, I made some new friends from England and
> from Australia, maybe 18 or 20 of them. Since we were together for ten
> days, I got to know them fairly well and told them something about
> Kundalini. From this, we've come up with an idea, called Friends of
> Gopi Krishna.
>
> This is not an organization in the formal sense, just a group of people
> who wouldn't mind seeing Gopi Krishna's ideas resurrected. Yes,
> resurrected, because they were buried pretty far underground some twenty
> years ago, and a whole new generation has grown up without ever having
> heard of his writings.
>
> To mark the beginning of this group, they have produced a 32-page
> pamphlet, entitled "The Goal of Consciousness Research," and are planning
> on mailing it to about 1,250 scientists and scholars, along with maybe
> 200 columnists, writers, editors,etc.
>
> Since the "Friends of Gopi Krishna" are defraying all costs, the pamphlet
> is free to anyone who requests it by leaving their mailing address at
> >gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com<
>
> One section of the pamphlet is worth a great to anyone who is interested
> in Kundalini even casually. It gives a number of ancient references to
> Kundalini that are unknown to scholars.
>
> All the best,
> gene
--
Enter The Silence to Know God ... and... accept life as the teacher.
Gloria Joy Greco
e-mail me at : lodpressATnospamintercomm.com and visit our homepages at:
http://users.intercomm.com/larryn/
&
http://www.freeyellow.com/members/zg888/
Hope you enjoy them!
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:10:14 EST
From: Uni8077 <Uni8077ATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: street lights and K?
Message-ID: <45a4d4f9.351883a8ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-24 16:52:46 EST, you write:
<< Which makes me wonder: is it possible that many women are accustomed to
drawing some sort of energy from their husbands, and when the men leave,
the women begin drawing it from household sources, including the machines?
But then why would it happen again when the men come back? Some sort of
energy balance/imbalance?
>>
Good question. Personally I have come to believe that it's not a matter of
drawing energy, but the imbalance of emotions caused by the reaction to the
husbands leaving (or coming back, for that matter, since it can be emotional
whiplash either way). I see it more as sending excess energy INTO the
appliances, and kind of short-circuiting them. This is, of course, not
something we're aware of doing at the time (unless the woman is aware of
energy work in general, such as magick - then she would be able to release it
and ground it harmlessly).
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:31:10 -0800
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
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Subject: [Fwd: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222]
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Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 20:29:54 -0800
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To: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222
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Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-23 21:25:42 EST, janbarenATnospaminfase.es writes:
>
> << What has always amazed me is that only
> Buddhism offers this variety of full enlightenments - to me it defies logic
> whereas Buddhism is said to be open to logic. >>
>
> Harsha (trying to suppress laughter): But they say variety is the spice of
> life. In any case what is wrong with a little flexibility especially with
> regards to enlightenment? And what does logic have to do with anything anyway!
In my studies and discussions of Buddhism I've heard many different descriptions
of types of enlightenment. One school of Tibetan Buddhism divides enlightenment
into two categories Arhat(sp?) attainment and boddhisattva attainment. Arhat is
the realization of emptiness and could be equivalated with the Hindu Mokshra I
think. Boddhisattva is the realization of ultimate suffering and the vow to save
infinite beings. Complete enlightenment is realizing both.
In a Korean Zen school there were three different levels of attainment. I can't
find the book with the technical terms but they can roughly be called. Realizing
one, Realizing two, and ultimate realization. In realizing one, one realizes all
is one and we are united in everything. Buddha means nothing, the world is all
one. In realizing two, one realizes that there is a form and function and a way.
In ultimate realization you are completely in the here and now and there is no
difference between one and two.
In a Japanese Soto Zendo I visit regularly the vow is Dharma Gates are endless I
vow to enter them. Suggesting there are infinite types of enlightenment.
Overall every school as an ultimate enlightenment. However each school has stages
of enlightenment. It's similar to being able to receive a black-belt and then
n-degrees of black belt afterwards.
As for rebirth the most appropriate answer to the question of rebirth I read was a
koan.
A student asked a Zen Master, "Where does an enlightened master go after he
dies? Is he reborn or is he freed from the earth?"
The Zen Master answered "Which direction does a fire go after is extinguished
to the North or to the South?"
Dan M.
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:33:14 EST
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Abhyasa Yoga
Message-ID: <1e2fa91f.3518890cATnospamaol.com>
Hi Hillary, believe I sent this to you earlier this AM, but saw your post
about not receiving email. So am resending this to you (may be a duplicate
??)
In a message dated 98-03-23 17:23:34 EST, you write:
<< Your story is fascinating! Were you doing anything to open up that
channel?? You never did answer the poll on Triggers!
Michele: Me miss a poll? Must've been outta town!
<<The voices aspect of all this is of ongoing fascination to me. I want to do
a survey on it at some point soon on it (that is if people want to do
surveys!). >>
Michele:
Hi Hillary, Just wrote you a reply, but it seems to have disappeared into the
ethers of the Internet. Okay, Part 2 of "Channeling With Michele":
When I went to the channeling class, all I seem to remember is that we sat
comfortably on the floor & asked our guides to show themselves to us--or
something like that--& the teacher said that they'd appear to us in whatever
form would be most amenable to us. I was quite surprised by the intensity of
the jolt I felt at the top of my head, as well as seeing the red & white
lights (esp. since my favorite color is purple, & I would have expected to see
THAT; at the time, I had zero familiarity w/kundalini, chakras, etc.--in fact,
it wasn't until I joined this k-list, that I actually started to believe I
have, in fact, been channeling all these years--someone's email about the red
& white colors of the root (base of spine) & crown chakras was a real "eye-
opener" for me!
Re: voices
Most of my life, I have heard voices, usually gently warning me of something
(negative) that was about to happen. For example: Once in Albquerque, after
I pulled into a parking space at a restaurant, a voice said, "Don't park
there"--and I pictured the car next to me backing out at the wrong angle &
seriously denting my car.
Of course, as a "mentally ill"person, I ignored the voice, said to myself,
"Gosh, you really ARE paranoid"--and watched, passively, as the driver of the
car came out of the restaurant, got into his car...& proceeded to pull out of
his space, side-swiping my car--just as I had pictured!
In college, after midnight, asleep in my basement apt., a voice told me to
"Open your eyes, don't react immediately, you are safe." I opened my eyes &
saw a man who had broken into my apt. He tried to strangle & rape me, but I
had already made my plan, kicking & screaming at just the right time--& in the
right place. Little old me, at 5'0" & 110 lbs. was able to ward off this
would-be rapist--one of my proudest accomplishments.
Since opening to channel, I hear voices fairly often, some at my request, some
guiding me through potentially dangerous situations--all very gently &
friendly. Now I listen to them--or, in the case of not hearing an invoice,
but getting an impulse to do something out of the ordinary, I follow that
impulse. Just a few years back, I became OBSESSED with "Star Signs" by Linda
Goodman, a well-known astrologer whose books I had read many years ago. (I
even went so far as to drive by her home in Cripple Creek, a small mountain
town in Colorado; an open & direct Aries, she gave her street address in her
book.)
In particular, I became fascinated w/Goodman's section on Lexigrams &
Numerology, and her opinion on their "inextricable link to astrology"--which
hadn't really resonated w/me on my previous reading of her book. I pulled an
all-nighter, testing her theories on numerology w/everybody's birth
date/number I could think of.
A couple of days later, I read in the newspaper that Linda Goodman had just
died. (I had had no idea she was ill at all! Think somehow I was really
tuned in to her.) Still not really believing or disbelieving the concept of
chanelling, I soon thereafter asked her for some guidance--and altho' I've
never actually heard HER voice, I often receive Linda Goodman-type
information/comfort that I want/need. Prove me wrong!
(In fact, her book said her preferred method of learning/teaching was the
Socratic method--i.e., letting the student discover for herself. Always
curious, I did a "numerology run" of Goodman's name, which adds up to the
number "5," for "The Skeptic"--meaning a person who personally tests things
out before forming an opinion about anything. Thus, she herself was a harsh
critic--who first tested then boldy shared her experiences w/ghosts, Avatars,
Elves & Faeries, Druids, etc., w/her devoted public.
Okay, so I talk to Linda Goodman, among several others. She doesn't talk
back, but, as an astrologer myself, I like to think that I'm carrying on her
tradition.
So, enuff about my voices for now. This Pisces is sign-ing off. Take care,
Michele
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:41:47 EST
From: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>
To: margolisATnospamtransbay.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222]
Message-ID: <636c8526.35188b0dATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-24 23:34:29 EST, you write:
<< A student asked a Zen Master, "Where does an enlightened master go after
he
dies? Is he reborn or is he freed from the earth?"
The Zen Master answered "Which direction does a fire go after is
extinguished
to the North or to the South?"
>>
Where do all the emails go after we delete them from our mailboxes?
Where do all the emails go that we KNOW we sent to someone, but they never
rec'd them & they're never returned to us?
Where do all the files go after we delete them from our Recyle Bins?
--Michele
("When I hear invoices, I pay attention!")
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:49:44 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: gurus/masters
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:42:13 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
Anurag wrote:
Hi,
I want to say something here. I think that masters/gurus
reincarnate
all the time.But i don't think it's just for the sake of
disciples.
I think life is not only on earth but else where too and
MASTERS/GURUS
must be having disciples there also.
Susan writes:
If there is life on other places rather than earth then maybe the
MASTERS/GURUS are the disciples there for their sake and the sake of the
disciples they have on earth.
Wondering,
Susan
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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:03:24 -0000
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: join the fun :-))))
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Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> wrote on date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998
2:37 AM
was subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222
>In a message dated 98-03-23 21:25:42 EST, janbarenATnospaminfase.es writes:
>
><< What has always amazed me is that only
> Buddhism offers this variety of full enlightenments - to me it defies
logic
> whereas Buddhism is said to be open to logic. >>
>
>Harsha (trying to suppress laughter): But they say variety is the spice of
>life. In any case what is wrong with a little flexibility especially with
>regards to enlightenment? And what does logic have to do with anything
anyway!
>
>
A little flexibility is nice, a bit more is great, so lets go:
Enlightened with an addiction to chocolate
Enlightened with an aversion for logic
Enlightened without burning k. fire
Enlightened in a burning spitfire
Enlightened by following the path of MMY (Money Making Yoga)
Enlightened by the collective wisdom of your harem
Enlightened with the aid of your nagging wife, kids and mother in law
Enlightened with the aid of Osho
Enlightened despite the aid of Osho
Enlightened by using 110 V AC (USA)
Enlightened by using 230 V AC (Europe)
Enlightened by using 380 V 3-phase (engineers only)
Enlightened and hit by lightning, followed by a thundering Nirvana
(Buddhists only)
Have fun ---- more suggestions??
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:09:11 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: eyebeams
Message-ID: <19980325050912.13047.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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I play a game with friends now and then called 'gotcha, made you look!'
In a space where there is some distance between you and a friend,say,
across a large room, begin staring at your friend's ear at the same time
think, 'scratch, scratch, scratch your ear'. Sometimes I reach out with
an imaginary hand and tweak it. While you focus, with all the intent of
making them scratch their ear. Eventually their hand will go up and they
will start swatting at their ear with their hand. giggle.
finally they will look around for whatever 'bug' is bothering them and
you give them a big smile and go 'gotcha!'
This technique was very useful to use on staff when i used to produce
seminars. I could see someone across the room talking, not paying
attention, whatever. I would focuse intensely, with pinpoint precision
on their face thinking,'look at me', and they would almost always turn
around and do so.
A teacher was once telling me a story about this technique using chi in
this way. 'I had a student who used to sit in airports, focusing on
people seeing if he could get them to scratch their ears, or turn
around, stop what they were doing to see what was bugging them. This
student was having a series of successes, getting everyone to look up.
Finally, he saw this elderly woman, knitting, waiting for her plane. "ah
ha", he thought, "this will be easy". He stared and focused and stared
and focused. Nothing. He kept staring and focusing, not being able to
figure out what was wrong with this woman that she would not look up.
Soon the elderly woman rose to board her plane. As she walked by the
student, she looked down at him and said, 'Dont f**k with me young man,'
and kept walking.' My teacher said the moral of the story was to never
play this game with strangers.
If you have friends that are somewhat familiar with the ways of using
energy, this is a fun game that teaches you how to focus the chi that
comes from your eyes.
As with any game using energy, watch your intent, or karma comes back
and bites you in the ass. :)))
Blessings,
Susan
PS
Stuart Wilde discusses this technique in one of his very first books.
Wish I could remember the name.
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:10:12 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: eyebeams
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I play a game with friends now and then called 'gotcha, made you look!'
In a space where there is some distance between you and a friend,say,
across a large room, begin staring at your friend's ear at the same time
think, 'scratch, scratch, scratch your ear'. Sometimes I reach out with
an imaginary hand and tweak it. While you focus, with all the intent of
making them scratch their ear. Eventually their hand will go up and they
will start swatting at their ear with their hand. giggle.
finally they will look around for whatever 'bug' is bothering them and
you give them a big smile and go 'gotcha!'
This technique was very useful to use on staff when i used to produce
seminars. I could see someone across the room talking, not paying
attention, whatever. I would focuse intensely, with pinpoint precision
on their face thinking,'look at me', and they would almost always turn
around and do so.
A teacher was once telling me a story about this technique using chi in
this way. 'I had a student who used to sit in airports, focusing on
people seeing if he could get them to scratch their ears, or turn
around, stop what they were doing to see what was bugging them. This
student was having a series of successes, getting everyone to look up.
Finally, he saw this elderly woman, knitting, waiting for her plane. "ah
ha", he thought, "this will be easy". He stared and focused and stared
and focused. Nothing. He kept staring and focusing, not being able to
figure out what was wrong with this woman that she would not look up.
Soon the elderly woman rose to board her plane. As she walked by the
student, she looked down at him and said, 'Dont f**k with me young man,'
and kept walking.' My teacher said the moral of the story was to never
play this game with strangers.
If you have friends that are somewhat familiar with the ways of using
energy, this is a fun game that teaches you how to focus the chi that
comes from your eyes.
As with any game using energy, watch your intent, or karma comes back
and bites you in the ass. :)))
Blessings,
Susan
PS
Stuart Wilde discusses this technique in one of his very first books.
Wish I could remember the name.
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Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 08:33:32 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Unresolved side-effect
Message-Id: <970324083332.n0002534.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 24 Mar 98, Anurag Goel wrote...
>
>Hi jan,
> I remember that I have read somewhere that once a rishi
> burnt the person alive to ashes with the rays that came from
> there eyes. May be something regarding this can be found in
> scriptures. Also the Lord Shiva burnt Kamadeva to ashes from the
> rays which emmanted from his third eye.
>love,
>anurag
Yes.
You can never find these guys at barbecues, when you need them most.
I am not sure about scripture but "Marvel" comics may provide further
information about this sort of thing . . .
Be Well
Lobster :)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 08:38:45 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re:
Message-Id: <970324083845.n0002535.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
><< Once again my sincere apologies for all I have put you through.
>
> Lobster >>
>Lobster Man, I'm cracking up big time--& it's ALL YOUR fault! Michele
Yes. Yes. Everything is my fault. I did it all. I apologise for creating the
universe and everyone in it. My sincere apologies to all concerned . . .
The Creator
and completely responsible Lobster
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 97 18:48:39 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>, kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <970324184839.n0002537.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 24 Mar 98, Dan Margolis wrote...
>Mr. Lobster,
>
> I was surprised and happy to see that you consider the kundalini activation
>irrelevant. Could you expand on this for my benefit? Personally I feel more
that
>it's something that's happening to me, that is related to my spiritual growth
but is
>not my spiritual growth itself. I'm wondering if that's what you mean, or if
there
>is a different meaning. There are a lot of silly people out there that have
gone
>through kundalini awakening and a lot of solid good people that haven't.
>
>Your thoughts?
>
> Dan M.
>
>
Mr Margolis Sir,
Everything relates to ones spiritual growth.
Because kundalini is often a dramatic occurence it may have more potential to
further ones understanding.
Spiritual growth is not in the experience but in how one relates to the
experience. Growth I would suggest is the development of wisdom - the
application of knowledge.
Shallow people think spiritual growth is something to do with interfering with
street lights or roasting people with a flash of the eyes.
This is why the activation of siddhis is so often detrimental. Psychic gifts can
be developed by quite ignorant people. They interpret these as signs of their
inner development. Laughable . . .
If kundalini develops qualities of kindness, humility, peacefulness, love etc
then great. Music may do this, poetry or art and so on. One may develop such
qualities from talking to friends or through life experience. One may have a
mental breakdown or illness from which one learns - a whole variety of potential
resources.
There are many genuine mystics who have no experience of any K symptoms. Many
mystics who develop kundalini type manifestations constantly tell people of
their irrelevance but people have a taste for such trivia . . .
Kundalini is the activation of latent physical energies. It is like having an
active imagination - good luck to those with it. What has it to do with
spiritual growth? - totally dependent on the people involved.
It is a bit like believing (as some do) that the cultivation of the body will
develop one spiritually. Now it is true that there is a mind-body link. If you
have no legs this will effect your mind and hence your spirit. People who are
fit are more able and dynamic people - more spiritual? - are athletes more
spiritual? Physical health is important, kundalini energy may be
transformational. However consider:
One of the great Sufis was thrown out of the mosque (probably for speaking the
Truth). When asked if he felt any ill will to his detractors he stated that
every time his head hit the steps of the mosque as he tumbled down he
experienced a different heavenly state. Who was there to feel ill will towards?
Now he was either light headed from too much fasting or perhaps he was
experiencing a negative condition in a positive way (sounds like crossed wires
to me)
So it is not what we experience but how.
Most Kind Regards
Lobster (one of the silly people)
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