1998/03/24 18:21
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #227
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 227
Today's Topics:
Re: street lights and K? [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Brainstorming [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
re: Greetings from a Newbie [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
RE: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ "Curtis, Concetta M." <CURTICMATnospamhoem ]
Re:God of Chocolate [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
mail zapped [ Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com> ]
RE: PRANAYAMA - correction [ Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley ]
Energy [ "Solar Lion" <gtaATnospamlanset.com> ]
Re:malfunctions [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-V [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
hello/intro [ melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu ]
Re: mail zapped [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Unidentified subject! [ Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com> ]
Re: street lights and K? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: street lights and K? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:24:00 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: street lights and K?
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Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>
>>I've heard of a number of women who find, when they separate from their
>>husbands, suddenly all the machines in the house go out of whack. It
>>happened to me - I was continually calling a repairman. And I didn't have
>>overt K. then, nor did the other women. Maybe temporary manifestations?
>>Maybe no grounding when the men leave?
>
Jeanne Garner <jeannegATnospamicon.net> wrote:
>Ask any Navy or Coast Guard wife: when the ship's out, the repair companies
>rake in the dough! I'm a Navy brat, and a Coast Guard wife (he's now
>retired), so I know the phenomenon well. I've always put it down to a
>balancing of the yin-yang. Not that women can't be balanced, but it's a
>matter of adjusting to first the absence, then when the ship's back in, a
>readjustment to working as a pair again. Once they've been gone awhile, we
>adjust, and the appliances return to their usual good behavior. Once the
>ship comes in again, though, things start going awry again--until we've
>adjusted.
>
>Most folks in this type of community (where long deployments are the rule)
>know well enough about the requirements for emotional adjustment, but I
>think it goes deeper than that.
Ann:
Yin/Yang balance is an interesting answer.
I just remembered something that happened years ago to a friend, an
advanced meditator, astrologer, etc. All of the machines in her house kept
going out of whack, repairmen kept coming in, etc. She decided her husband
was causing the problem by drawing energy from household sources, including
the machines. So she told him and said, "I want you to stop it!!" He was
a nuclear physicist and not into her sort of interests. But he looked at
her, thought for a moment, and said, "All right." And it all stopped! No
more break-downs!
Which makes me wonder: is it possible that many women are accustomed to
drawing some sort of energy from their husbands, and when the men leave,
the women begin drawing it from household sources, including the machines?
But then why would it happen again when the men come back? Some sort of
energy balance/imbalance?
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:27:30 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: MMeyers541 <MMeyers541ATnospamaol.com>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Brainstorming
Message-ID: <3517ED05.2C97C52ATnospamerols.com>
I have no idea! It's just what worked for her, that's all I know.
-Orea
MMeyers541 wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-03-24 11:25:30 EST, you write:
>
> << I have had no electrical occurrences, but a former neighbor of mine (not
> spiritually inclined) could only wear Seiko watches for this reason.
>
> -Orea
>
> >>
> Hi Orea, what's different about Seiko watches? (Am asking because I have
> NEVER been able to wear a watch, either; not that it matters, since everything
> happens at the right time anyway.)
>
> E = MC squared,
> Michele
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:28:57 -0600 (CST)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: re: Greetings from a Newbie
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Welcome, Cynthia. Many of your symptoms sound familiar but I think
I'll just mention that my "spontaneous" awakening was, I believe,
precipitated by a series of awful losses. It just took that much to
shake me open. Best, Holly
Date: 24 Mar 1998 14:31:07 -0500
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In a message dated 98-03-24 10:01:00 EST, you write:
<< Once again my sincere apologies for all I have put you through.
Lobster >>
Lobster Man, I'm cracking up big time--& it's ALL YOUR fault! Michele
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:45:22 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: janbarenATnospaminfase.es, hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re:God of Chocolate
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>
>
>Jan Barendrecht wrote:
>
>> Jan: Hmmmm.... Attached to vows? The vow is made with the same
>> detachment .....
>>
>> Harsha: If there is already detachment, then there is nothing to
>> propel one to take a vow. For example, let us say I am indifferent to
>> Chocolate. Would I now stand in front of my favorite Deity and say "I
>> swear by God, I shall eat Chocolate no more!" Do you see the logic?
>>
Harsha,
The last time I checked with the God of Chocolate, these sort of vows to
abstain are regarded rather humorously. The number of persons truly
indifferent to chocolate is so small in proportion to those trying to
abstain...well, even the other deities laugh along with the God of
Chocolate. Logic, in fact dictates "you can never get enough of what
you do NOT want." But seriously, now..is detachment the eqivalent of
indifference?? Believe it or not, I think I did understand your original
point about making vows being redundant, but just the word indifferent
is a puzzle to me...even in relation to just chocolate (there is no such
thing as "just" chocolate..to a true afficiando)... are you going back
to your "don't care" one way or the other?? Are you saying that even
wanting all beings to be free of suffering is ALSO an attachment to some
preference of desire??
Or just that making vows would be unnecessary??
Glo Lee
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:20:15 EST
From: Druout <DruoutATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: mail zapped
Message-ID: <25c0362e.35181582ATnospamaol.com>
Aol zapped all my morning mail! If anyone tried to contact me, please forgive
me for not responding. (and could you please repost!)
Love, Hillary
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:43:21 -0800
From: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
To: "'Anurag Goel'" <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
Harsh Luthar
<hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
Cc: "'Harsha1MTM'" <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>,
"930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe"
<930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
<kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: PRANAYAMA - correction
Message-ID: <01BD5722.6E41EA00.keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Anurag says:
Hi,
I read somewhere that BHASRIKA is a quick way of awakening kundalini.
I have experienced it too.
Love,
anurag
KK: You mean you have experienced .... What?
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:50:48 -0800
From: "Solar Lion" <gtaATnospamlanset.com>
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Subject: Energy
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greetings
of note: the human nervous system is capable of
accumulating - storing - and discharging the
energies equivalent to a lightning bolt - this is
the least of the energy systems of a human being.
when you play with the safety interlocks (over rides)
of high energy systems with out proper knowledge -
training - or understanding of the unit as a whole -
then interesting events happen.
Solar Lion (Bob)
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 13:17:43 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, annfisherATnospamstic.net
Subject: Re:malfunctions
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>Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>>
>>>I've heard of a number of women who find, when they separate from
their
>>>husbands, suddenly all the machines in the house go out of whack. It
>>>happened to me - I was continually calling a repairman. And I didn't
have
>>>overt K. then, nor did the other women. Maybe temporary
manifestations?
>>>Maybe no grounding when the men leave?
My theory would be that all the appliances seize their first opportunity
to receive competent professional help at last. I manage my appliances
just with the "threat" of "work or I will take you apart myself."
LOL..but actually my cars have always loved me. I talk to them and
thank them for working so well for me..granted, this may be the secret
of it all, I express my faith in them and brag about them to others in
front of them, whenever anyone rides with me. Way back in the 70's I had
this ancient (my first car) 63 Plymouth Valiant that simply would not
die..till I finally gave it away in 78. Then I drove my next car for 14
trouble free years with absolutely no repairs needed or any breakdown of
anything. The car after that is still running good after I gave it to my
mother, and it was an 88, bought used in 92. I replaced it with an 84
Audi that runs like a dream for me, too. I have learned to keep all the
men in my life away from MY car...as their cars are constantly needing
repairs. This is 4 cars in 30 years..and like I said the 3rd one I could
still be running, but my mom needed it. I can't even keep track of all
the cars my husbands have been thru..let alone the number of repairs
needed. What sort of yin/yang is this??
>>retired), so I know the phenomenon well. I've always put it down to a
>>balancing of the yin-yang. Not that women can't be balanced, but it's
a
>>matter of adjusting to first the absence, then when the ship's back
in, a
>>readjustment to working as a pair again. Once they've been gone
awhile, we
>>adjust, and the appliances return to their usual good behavior. Once
the
>>ship comes in again, though, things start going awry again--until
we've
>>adjusted.
>>
>>Most folks in this type of community (where long deployments are the
rule)
>>know well enough about the requirements for emotional adjustment, but
I
>>think it goes deeper than that.
>
>Ann:
>
>Yin/Yang balance is an interesting answer.
>
>I just remembered something that happened years ago to a friend, an
>advanced meditator, astrologer, etc. All of the machines in her house
kept
>going out of whack, repairmen kept coming in, etc. She decided her
husband
>was causing the problem by drawing energy from household sources,
including
>the machines. So she told him and said, "I want you to stop it!!" He
was
>a nuclear physicist and not into her sort of interests. But he looked
at
>her, thought for a moment, and said, "All right." And it all stopped!
No
>more break-downs!
>
>Which makes me wonder: is it possible that many women are accustomed to
>drawing some sort of energy from their husbands, and when the men
leave,
>the women begin drawing it from household sources, including the
machines?
>But then why would it happen again when the men come back? Some sort
of
>energy balance/imbalance?
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:52:16 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: samyanaATnospamHOTMAIL.COM, janbarenATnospaminfase.es, hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: God of Chocolate-Enlightenment-Vows
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In a message dated 98-03-24 16:12:46 EST, samyanaATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< But seriously, now..is detachment the eqivalent of
indifference?? Believe it or not, I think I did understand your original
point about making vows being redundant, but just the word indifferent
is a puzzle to me...even in relation to just chocolate (there is no such
thing as "just" chocolate..to a true afficiando)... are you going back
to your "don't care" one way or the other?? Are you saying that even
wanting all beings to be free of suffering is ALSO an attachment to some
preference of desire??
Or just that making vows would be unnecessary >>
Dear Gloria, you ask such deep and wise questions that I want to flee in
shame! But where to go? I must gather courage and answer all calls of nature.
Some say the nature of mind is that of attachment. Therefore the practice of
detachment and indifference involves mental effort. As such it does not reveal
the Truth. Knowing that it is the mind itself that creates the illusion of
bondage and that of liberation, one should be still. The secret Harsha method
is as follows. If one is attached, it is all right. If one is detached, it is
all right. If one has taken a Boddhisattva vow it is all right. If one rejects
all vows it is all right. It is the nature of one who is on the spriitual path
to have compassion for one self and others. When one is constipated and takes
a laxative, one does not worry whether the laxative will leave the body or
not. Similarly, one who is cultivating compassion and love for others need not
worry whether these are attachments that will stick or not. Indeed when one is
full of love for all sentient beings and all life, that attitude itself
produces the needed deep relaxation which unties the knot of ignorance leading
to Self-Realization .....Harsha
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:16:36 -0500
From: melintonATnospamalison.sbc.edu
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: hello/intro
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Hi! My name is Liz & I just signed on to the list today. I thought I would
introduce myself.
I'm 38 & I have been having bhakti experiences all my life. Some of these
experiences probably fall more properly under the kundalini heading --
maybe all -- I'm just learning that other people actually have these
experiences here in the last 2 years.
When I was a kid (about 10) I had an incredible dream -- actually the
events in the dream were mundane and nothing very interesting happened. I
was with a guy who's name I did not know. We were running around together
shopping or something equally tedious. The remarkable aspect was this
overpowering, penetrating, intense sense of being loved by the guy in the
dream. When I woke up the realer-than-real sense of being loved beyond
reason stayed with me constantly, deeply, pervasively for 3 days. I wanted
to tell someone about my real dream that had altered something in me --
altered ... what? I didn't have the language or a conceptual framework -- I
only knew unshakable opaque love in the universe had focused on me. As I
grew older I would feel energy flowing around in my body regularly and less
intense than the dream sessions of being loved by something/someone. After
puberty the energy became intensly sexual sometimes. I didn't associate any
of these experiences with any spiritual source. I just accepted them and
didn't think of it in any way other than "fantasy" life.
In 1991 I went through a very difficult period. Nothing in my life seemed
to work and I was horrifically depressed about things that were happening
beyond my control. I started studying tarot to get perspective. This led to
Native American shamanic studies. Eventually I began to see that all the
issues facing me were doors of opportunity & that I was crosing this
territory for a reason. I was being schooled -- shaken -- so that the
things that mattered could come to the surface of my conciousness. I began
to experience some measure of peace in the center of the furnace as I
viewed things-as-they-were from a higher perspective and began to
appreciate how life teaches the lessons we need most. At the end of this
difficult period I took the Silva Basic course -- its a 4 day seminar in
self-hypnosis and psychic ability. During the course, driving home one day
I had a spontaneous experience of glossalalia -- speaking in tongues,
though I don't like to call it that. I only learned this week that that is
a symptom of kundalini.
So things got better. The regular sessions of energy/love force continued
with sometimes a sense of hands on my body. I continued not to think about
it too much -- just enjoyed. Then, 2 years ago I took a long drive to do
Christmas shopping in a town more than an hour away. Driving alone always
puts me in a nice relaxed alpha state. The energy started circling about
half way there. It slowly got stonger and stronger. By the time I parked at
the mall it was shaking me harder than I had ever felt it. It felt like a
person rubbing hands all over my body deeply, strongly, very insistant and
unescapable since it was coming from inside me. It would not stop and I
couldn't get out of the car. Suddenly it hit me that this was *not* a
fantasy and was not anything I was initiating. It was a separate force or
entity and it was demanding my attention.
So this stuff continues with me, nothing violent, and thanks to the
internet I've learned more about it in the last year than I could've
dreamed. Thanks for listening!
--Liz
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:11:53 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: mail zapped
Message-ID: <5ad4771b.35182fabATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-24 17:07:45 EST, DruoutATnospamaol.com writes:
<< Aol zapped all my morning mail! If anyone tried to contact me, please
forgive
me for not responding. (and could you please repost!)
Love, Hillary
>>
Harsha: Please note that the same thing happened to me. I ususally do not
access my aol account until late in the day.
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:21:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Gene Kieffer <gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com>
To: pamie59ATnospamyahoo.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, lodpressATnospamintercomm.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
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Dear Pam and Gloria,
Thanks for including me in this lastest discussion on the chaos that
resides in the mental hospitals due, in large measure, to the refusal of
psychologists and psychiatrists to look into Kundalini.
It may be that in ten, twenty or thirty years, the situation will
change, but this is not very likely UNLESS people such as yourself come
together to "force" a change.
This has always been the way when a new idea is introduced into
society, and whether we like to think so or not, Kundalini at this stage
is a "new idea" when it comes to the professionals.
Last month, while in Brazil, I made some new friends from England and
from Australia, maybe 18 or 20 of them. Since we were together for ten
days, I got to know them fairly well and told them something about
Kundalini. From this, we've come up with an idea, called Friends of
Gopi Krishna.
This is not an organization in the formal sense, just a group of people
who wouldn't mind seeing Gopi Krishna's ideas resurrected. Yes,
resurrected, because they were buried pretty far underground some twenty
years ago, and a whole new generation has grown up without ever having
heard of his writings.
To mark the beginning of this group, they have produced a 32-page
pamphlet, entitled "The Goal of Consciousness Research," and are planning
on mailing it to about 1,250 scientists and scholars, along with maybe
200 columnists, writers, editors,etc.
Since the "Friends of Gopi Krishna" are defraying all costs, the pamphlet
is free to anyone who requests it by leaving their mailing address at
>gkiefferATnospamnetaxis.com<
One section of the pamphlet is worth a great to anyone who is interested
in Kundalini even casually. It gives a number of ancient references to
Kundalini that are unknown to scholars.
All the best,
gene
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:13:14 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: street lights and K?
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Hi Richard! :)
At 13:03 1998.03.24 +0000, you wrote:
>At 11:08 23/03/98 +0100, you wrote:
>
>>>This k - wouldn't it be fun if we *really* understood it?
>>
>>I don't know, maybe, but would you really want scientists to give you
>>labels even there? ;)))
>
>Well, for me it's just *seriously* interesting and I wish I knew more about
>it. Clocks stop, things break, lights flicker, and on and on. (Not to me
>particularly - I'm much more grounded than I used to be. :) )
>
>But it's still pretty damn fascinating. I like unravelling mysteries. And I
>would really like to understand what's going on here. :)
Well, Kurt is trying to make sense out of it for years, and I don't think
he'll be able to tell you what exactly is Kundalini. :))) So it isn't an
easy job. :) But it does make some sense to me. For instance, you have
pranic flows in your body. When you're properly grounded, these flows are
aligned properly in your mind/body. That means "centered", I suppose. In
cases of unbalanced energies, they start behaving very much like an
electrical storm - thunderbolts all over the place. And since prana
(etheric substance) isn't that "spiritual", actually it has mass that can
be measured - subtle matter actually - and it very well interacts with
gross matter, pranic outburst can pretty well cause problems with delicate
and potentially unstable equipment - the more delicate it is, more likely
it will fail. I don't know if anyone had stove or iron failing? ;)) Well,
just my opinion... :)
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Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:27:17 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: street lights and K?
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Hi Michele! :)
At 11:55 1998.03.24 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-03-24 08:03:59 EST, you (or the person responding to
>your email--??) write:
>
><< I don't know, maybe, but would you really want scientists to give you
> >labels even there? ;)))
<snip>
>Follow clerk back into store. Inside are two POLICEMAN, laughing. I
point to
>money again. "I am SO sorry." Plead insanity (the "label"). Police laugh
>again. "Get outta here," they say, waving me off (& refusing to take my
>money). So, mentally ill Michele gets a free Big Gulp after trying to
"steal"
>it under the nose of 2 cops.
>
>The End (of the Big Gulp Caper)
:)))))) LOL :)))))))))) So funny! :))))))))
Well, being labeled as crazy was good for one thing at least: I didn't have
to go to the army. ;))))) Did you notice one thing: it is impossible to
prove you're not crazy! My conclusion is: there is no definition of
"normal" - and since "crazy" should be the opposite, I can only come to the
conclusion that we are all a bit of both. :)) Balance is the key here. :)))
LOL :)))
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