1998/03/24 01:44
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #224
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 224
Today's Topics:
[Fwd: Re: Past Lives] [ Lia <lkoprinATnospamvisionol.net> ]
Re: PRANAYAMA [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: shamanism [ Lia <lkoprinATnospamvisionol.net> ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222 [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
an old Zen saying: [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Rogert H krueger <rhk47f2webtv.netATnospam ]
Re: Greetings from a Newbie [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: Grounding - with real ground! [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: [Fwd: Re: Past Lives] [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Reasonably good reason is . . . [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, was: Fatig [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Past Lives [ Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: shamanism [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: rebirth [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:33:57 -0500
From: Lia <lkoprinATnospamvisionol.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: [Fwd: Re: Past Lives]
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:17:34 -0500
From: Lia <lkoprinATnospamvisionol.net>
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To: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: Past Lives
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Imtgxxx wrote:
>
> Angie writes....
> << is the person undergoing the regression conscious of what is happening
> while it is happening, or does the hypnotharapist tape the session?
There is an excellent hypnosis mailing list that has just had a recent
thread on this subject. The client is conscious during the process. It's
up to individual hypnotists whether they tape or not. There's a
difference of opinion among hypnotherapists about giving clients tapes
of PLR's. Some are concerned that some aspects of a regression could be
difficult for some clients to handle on their own until some further
'work' has been done around the events of the regression. It's really an
individual client issue - most have no difficulties - the occasional one
might if they are experiencing other life difficulties.
>
> Most people expect
> hypnosis to be so different than it is. It is just an altered state also -
> where your conscious mind is set aside so the hypnotherapist can talk to your
> subconscious mind. In the majority of cases, you will be *awake* and
> conscious. I even ask sometimes while the client is under if they *feel*
> hypnotized. They most always say no, unless they are extremely visual. LOL.
True - and very common.
>
> Everyone can be hypnotized except the very young, very old, the retarded (I've
> heard), the unwilling, and the hard of hearing (tried that - didn't work).
Well....my youngest client was 4 years old and did very well ( he had a
problem with migraines ) You wouldn't do the same induction on a child
that you would do on an adult, but it can certainly be done.
I have never heard of not being able to hypnotize the very old or the
hard of hearing. There are a number of ways to do inductions with
someone who cannot hear you.
> In all the regressions & progressions I did, no one was ever
> traumatized from them, so I would put that worry out of your head.
Well...usually, there are few or no difficulties. However, a client can
have an abreaction and would be much better off with a therapist trained
in handling that.
Even when
> you take someone to see themselves at their death in a life, it isn't
> traumatic - I always (well, with one exception with a person I was irked at)
> let them watch that scene as a movie, rather than *feel* it.
I find that little exception a little disturbing - it seems, IMO, even
if you're doing this just for fun, to be unethical. Even 'for fun',
someone has put their trust in you .
> A good therapist is great to have to get you out of spots like that,
> or to avoid them in the first place.
>
A few comments from a newbie
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:39:48 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: stuartfATnospamdimensional.com
Cc: keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu, 930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe,
anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: PRANAYAMA
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In a message dated 98-03-23 01:19:32 EST, stuartfATnospamdimensional.com writes:
<< After 2 months of practice , and no previous or current hatha I've included
the
particular pranayams you mention above. Along with Nadi Suddhi, Surya
Bendhena, I do Bandha Traya, and other full chalice retention. So far so
good. Am I headed down a destructful course? >>
Harsha: Stuart you are obviously inclined to practice Pranayama and that is
fine. There are many people who do it and benefit from it. You know your own
body better than anyone else. Do it gradually and increase your capacity
without strain. Alan Perry wrote a very wise post on not trying to force the
issue and you may want to read it. You have access to good books and you seem
to have the relevant information. It is always good to do a long meditative
Savasana after the practice of pranayama and avoid talking for a few hours
afterwards. There are certain restrictions given in the books concerning diet,
moral conduct etc and you may want to review them. Supplement whatever you are
doing with meditation and prayer. Find a meditation center or a spiritual
support group near you. I think that would be helpful. Ultimately experience
will be your best teacher. God bless you. Be well.
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:47:48 -0500
From: Lia <lkoprinATnospamvisionol.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: shamanism
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Hi,
Gloria Greco wrote:
>
> Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Another thing was reading a book from the library, entitled "JuJu" (African
> > word for witchcraft). It was the account of some British commissioner or police
> > official who fell foul of the local witch doctor.
> > He fell ill with a fever, during which he hallucinated the face of this witch
> > doctor, and concluded he was under astral attack.
This is pretty common in shamanic traditions
>
> Gloria:
> . I
> > haven't seen much discussion of astral travel in relation to kundalini, though,
> > so it seems to be primarily an occult or shamanic phenomenon.
>
> . The astral is the lower
> planes connected to the lower centers. As you become heart centered the
> experiences change into higher dimensions but it is all the same.
In many shamanic traditions, the shaman travels to other planes or
'worlds'. However, they are usually the Lower world, the Midworld and
the Upper world. These are not related to chakras, or whether one
becomes heart centred - but merely part of the 'job' to do. Certain
tasks tend to be done on certain level.
$0.02 from a list newbie
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:24:13 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #222
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Debora A. Orf wrote:
(about Bodhisattvas)
> Some of them decide not leave samsara so they can be a resource to
> others. They emenate amoung us all the time. They are fully enlightened,
> but until every other being is freed from samsara, they arent going
> anywhere.
With regard to the fully Enlightened One there are no others...
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 97 09:46:16 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: an old Zen saying:
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Infinite gratitude for all things past.
Infinite respect for all things present.
Infinite responsibility for all things future.
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:48:38 -1000 (HST)
From: Rogert H krueger <rhk47f2webtv.netATnospamaloha.net>
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It only takes a small rudder to steer a large ship.
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:05:04
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: <djebelATnospamcamalott.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Greetings from a Newbie
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Hi Cynthia:
At 16:56 23/03/98 -0600, Cynthia Selene wrote:
> I was very suicidal for a while. I don't know if
>this has anything to do with anything, but I just throw it out with all of
>the other things!
From the sounds of things, you are having a K-awakening.. welcome to the
club! LOL! ...and it was likely in the extremes of your depression, that
you asked for it..
>
>I am looking forward to your comments.
>
>Oh, BTW, Mystress Angelique Serpent, I believe I recognize you from another
>list I was on about a year ago--TCP list? I remember you had to quit it
>because of the time a kundalini list was taking you. Anyway, good to see
>(hear!) from you again.
>
>BB * Namaste,
>
>Cynthia Selene
>
>Jai Ma!
>
Yes, I joined the Celestine list at the request of some members that were
on both lists.. very nice of them.. my profession makes me kind of an
expert at "comtrol dramas", but I unsubscribed from the TCP list when I
took over managing the K-list. I am still Mistress Cybrarian for the
Celestine list cybrary, and requests for it are up these days.. I have
heard a lot of the old members have been migrating back there, so I guess
they are promoting it.
BTW, I am curious if you remember doing a white light grounding excercise
I posted to that list, sometime before I left? Just wondering.
Welcome. Blessings, Mystress.
Mystress Angelique Serpent,
Dominant Experiential Facilitator.
Website= http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent
:D ;) :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :D :0 :) ;P :0 ;) :)
I would rather live in a world where my life is surrounded by mystery
than live in a world so small that my mind could comprehend it.
-- Harry Emerson Fosdick
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Vancouver, B.C., Canada. Officially the most beautiful city in the world.
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:48:24
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Wright, James 7929" <JwrightATnospamphelpsd.com>
Cc: "'Members (all)'" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Grounding - with real ground!
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At 12:22 23/03/98 -0700, Wright, James 7929 wrote:
>I bring all this up to share how I enjoyed getting grounded with real
>ground - anyone else got their garden started yet? Does it help with
>kundalini symptoms to have one?
>Thanks!
>james
Yes! Absolutely wonderful to give the K-fire back to the Earth, Faerie
blessings of blue fire on all good gardeners. I am getting restless, too,
to get my hands dirty putting seeds into the soil. It is warm enough here
for trees and daffodills blooming, but still very rainy and wet. New home,
ew garden, haven't deided how to arrange it yet.. K-fire loves creative
expressions, and it is good to spread them over many different outlets.
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:04:49 EST
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: lkoprinATnospamvisionol.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Past Lives]
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lkoprinATnospamvisionol.net writes:
tg:<< Everyone can be hypnotized except the very young, very old, the retarded
(I've
> heard), the unwilling, and the hard of hearing (tried that - didn't work).
lkoprin: <<Well....my youngest client was 4 years old and did very well ( he
had a
problem with migraines ) You wouldn't do the same induction on a child
that you would do on an adult, but it can certainly be done.
tg: My youngest was 5 (for biting nails) and was successful. Guess I should
have made myself clearer - I suppose it depends on the child for the age. I
was thinking much younger. Sorry for not making myself clearer.
lkoprin: < In all the regressions & progressions I did, no one was ever
traumatized from them, so I would put that worry out of your head.
lkoprin: > Well...usually, there are few or no difficulties. However, a
client can
have an abreaction and would be much better off with a therapist trained
in handling that.
tg: I totally agree with that. Luckily, I only had one out of over 3000
clients have this - she was in to quit smoking - I got her back into a relaxed
state, kept her there for a while, then continued to do the stop smoking
suggestions when she had calmed down. I recommended a local therapist to her
for further therapy to see what all that was about.
tg: Even when > you take someone to see themselves at their death in a life,
it isn't
> traumatic - I always (well, with one exception with a person I was irked
at)
> let them watch that scene as a movie, rather than *feel* it.
lkoprin: < I find that little exception a little disturbing - it seems, IMO,
even
if you're doing this just for fun, to be unethical. Even 'for fun', someone
has put their trust in you .
tg: Don't let it disturb you. It was all part of the game-plan. He came in
to quit smoking - had a really jerk-head attitude - didn't trust me, hypnosis,
hypnotists, the whole shebang - BUT he did want to quit smoking and had
several people tell him I could help him. He was VERY distrustful. I had to
get his trust. I just did it in a round-a-bout way. I refused to be put-down
by this clown and he was extremely rude and obnoxious. When it didn't work
the first time, I wasn't surprised. But I do not like to have failures and
for him to screw up my success rate. (sound arrogant? it is.) I invited
him back later to do a past life regression since I knew he was very visual.
I knew I had to make him a believer in me and hypnosis somehow, to get the
jerk to quit smoking. So I did what I had to do. I knew he'd be okay. You
may see it as unethical. and that is okay. After that session, he apologized
to me for acting the way he did, and we both had a great laugh. His next stop
smoking session was successful. He even sent in several referrals after
that.
lkoprin: << A few comments from a newbie
I appreciate your comments and for letting me know about the hypnosis list.
I welcome you to the list - I think you will enjoy it. Take care,
xxxtg
* Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:00:52 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Reasonably good reason is . . .
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E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> wrote:
>on 21 Mar 98, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote...
>
>>>E Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>> The original question stands (to everyone) - why does the so called
>>>>process of
>>>> kundalini awakening produce more anguish than solutions?
>>
>>It doesn't.
>
>It doesn't for you - so that settles it. :) Please. For most people it
>seems to
>produce one crisis after another. Which makes me feel that what is
>happening has
>very little to do with a spiritual process. However assuming it is then it
>must
>find resolution. That really is the point, a snake energy that causes years of
>distress (as reported by Gopi Krishna) followed by the ability to write
>mediocre
>poetry - well - what do you think . . .
>
It seemed to me that what you were asking was: "The kundalini process
produces more anguish than solutions. Why?"
That seems to mean either 1) it produces more anguish than solutions for
every K. person, or 2) it produces more anguish than solutions on the whole
(i.e., in more than 50 percent of cases).
The first can't be true, since it isn't true for me.
But apparently you meant the second:
>For most people it seems to
>produce one crisis after another.
Thinking of the many posts I've read here and the cases cited in Sannella's
book, I couldn't see that it appeared to be true in more than half of the
cases.
Ann
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:25:30 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, was: Fatigue
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>Richard (R Powell <rpowellATnospampcug.org.au>) wrote:
>
>My first encounter with the Kundalini was in 1982. I nearly drowned on a
>bushwalking trip and things began to happen soon after. Within a few
>days I went from being a mentally sharp and reasonably physically fit
>individual to a wreck. I couldn't concentrate and my adrenalin system
>when haywire. I when from doctor to doctor and was told that I had
>everything from a stomach virus to Hepititis. Eventually I was diagnosed
>as having Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
>
>The CFS symptoms fit but don't cover experiences I can only attribute to
>Kundalini.
>
>My health has greatly improved since those days but I have never regained
>my mental and physical stamina. Has anyone had a similar experience?
I had CFS for many years and had to retire early because of it. I can't
definitely relate it to K. because I was healed of it (though it's
considered incurable) shortly before the overt K. process began for me.
When I was on the St. John's CFS-List, many people said that having this
disease brought a new spiritual dimension to their lives and they had grown
immensely, although it wasn't clear why that was. We even speculated on
whether there might be a purpose in such a disease becoming an epidemic at
this particular moment in history. A disease that could cause many people
to develop spiritually... :))
There is break-through work being done in Australia. On the chance that
you don't know about it, here's the beginning of an article:
> CFS BREAKTHROUGH?
> (A compilation of reports to the CFS-LIST)
>
>Mention the words "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" and most people will ask
>whether it's
>real or imaginary. An Australian team has at last pinned down the physical
>proof that
>this disease exists. Their research will not only provide a diagnostic
>test for the many thousands of people with CFS, but has clearly signposted
>the way forward. The researchers have mapped the syndrome in a way that
>will make finding the cause and
>treatment of the disease much more likely.
>
>The web site of the Collaborative Pain Research Unit Information Service
>of the University of Melbourne, Australia, with a link to the research
>facility at Newcastle University.
>http://www.newcastle.edu.au/department/bi/birjt/cpruis/
>
>Welcome to the CPRU Information Service, an Internet accessible
>information and consultation service with current research and analytical
>information related to Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. The CPRU is a
>multidisciplinary research group investigating the biochemistry of CFS and
>chronic pain. The research staff include Dr. Neil McGregor (University of
>Sydney), Dr. Hugh Dunstan and Professor Tim Roberts (University of
>Newcastle), Dr. Henry Butt (Hunter Area Pathology Service) and Professor
>Iven Klineberg (University of Sydney).
>
>"Basically, they are using urine analysis similar to drug testing
>equipment to search for markers unique in CFS patients. 'They argued that
>if CFS was a real disease, it should cause changes in the body's
>chemistry. Changes they could detect.' Patients filled out a survey which
>they then compared with the patterns on the urine test.
>
>"'They found the patients clustering into distinct groups. It seemed CFS
>wasn't one disease, but maybe as many as eight. What's more, three of
>those groups accounted for 2/3 of those patients. But there's overlap. The
>greater the overlap, the wider the range of symptoms. People with high
>amounts of all three of the main markers are the sickest.' ...
Dr. Paul Cheney, one of the original CFS researchers, has helped at least
one Olympic athlete improve to the point of being able to participate in
the games. He has a web site and I think he takes patients over the web.
Love,
Ann
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:32:36 EST
From: Imtgxxx <ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com>
To: lkoprinATnospamvisionol.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Past Lives
Message-ID: <1b60a3f2.35176196ATnospamaol.com>
sorry but this part got cut off the last post....
tg: Even when you take someone to see themselves at their death in a life,
it isn't traumatic - I always (well, with one exception with a person I was
irked
at) let them watch that scene as a movie, rather than *feel* it.
lkoprin: I find that little exception a little disturbing - it seems, IMO,
even
if you're doing this just for fun, to be unethical. Even 'for fun',
someone has put their trust in you .
tg: Hey, don't let it disturb you. It was all part of the game-plan. The
guy was a jerk-head and didn't trust me, hypnosis, hypnotists in general, etc.
He was was extremely rude and obnoxious BUT he wanted to quit smoking and
several people had said I could help him. When I hypnotized him, it didn't
work, which was no surprise to me. I had to do something to gain his trust so
he could quit smoking. I refused to allow this jerk to screw up my success
rate. (sound arrogant? it is). I invited him back to check out his past
lives since I knew he was very visual. Afterwards, he apologized to me and
we both had a great laugh about the whole thing. He quit smoking successfully
the next session, and referred several people after that.
lkoprin: A few comments from a newbie
tg: and I appreciate your comments and telling me about the hypnosis list.
Welcome to this list and I hope you are enjoying it!
xxxtg
* Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html <~~~~~~ on the web now!
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:59:43 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: shamanism
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Thank you both for great posts!
This is all very important to me. Not sure about the k relation, except
that if there are such things in teh body, k would clean the channels and
make them accessible. Or give you a lift to them. :-)
My feeling, when I have a shamanic flight etc ... is sort of like my
conscousness being split between a big cloud-soul surfing in the clouds ...
and a little tiny point-soul surfing within the body, which sees teh body
as a big thing like the ocean (surf=breath). (I suppose the scientists
would say the little one was the real one, and the big one was just
images/shadows of it.)
I don't exactly 'go' anywhere. Stay centered in this body ... but the world
falls away on all sides,just like stage walls, and the astral is revelaed
there instead (was there all along, is the permanent thing). For example,
in a city the city falls away and there is just the natural land in its place.
And I spread out in it, or at least send out long tentacles. :-)
BTW, does anyone else read Charles Williams?
The Upanisads talk about 'person in the heart, teh size of a thumb'.
REocmmend getting it down even smaller, to the szie of a spark, which can
travel aroudn in the body.
I think this is also how the soul exits the body (according to yoga).
Withdraws to heart, gets small, then looks for a passage out. If the
central passage leading to the crown chakra (or thereabouts) has been
opened by meditation etc, it can go out there to moksha. Other openings
around the crown of the head lead to various paradises and fairylands. I
forget where the eyes and ears lead to. Mouth to human rebirth. Navel to
animal? Apertures below the belt to hells or such.
AGain, I"ve never seen much point in leaving the body at death. SEems more
relaxing to merge into the earth as the body does.
At 09:32 AM 3/23/98 -0500, Tom_I_BradleyATnospamEURO.CCMAIL.compuserve.com wrote:
>Dear Hillary,
>
/snip/
> Your account of the Drakenberg rock paintings bears out the idea that
there
>are points in the body at which spiritual concentration is focused - much
like
>chakras - and that these connect to another world. The spirit-world appears
>repeatedly in shamanic concerns -e.g. aboriginal "dreamtime". Western occult
>tradition seems to draw on Egyptian as well as Indian sources, and astral
travel
>in Egyptian mythology is accomplished by means of the "ka". An occultist
>described how he traveled in the ka by means of focussing on the ajna
chakra. I
>haven't seen much discussion of astral travel in relation to kundalini,
though,
>so it seems to be primarily an occult or shamanic phenomenon. Hopefully
I'll be
>corrected. The astral world seems to have been encountered by CIA-trained
>remote viewer David Morehouse, and his accounts of the place bear
similarity to
>those of occult writers. As for what the astral world is, who knows, but if
>there's such a thing as a Universal Mind, then perhaps the astral world is
its
>subconsciousness.
Maybe I"m misusing the term 'astral'? Why 'subconscious'?
Mary
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:59:45 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: rebirth
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At 09:59 AM 3/23/98 -0400, Orea de Sa' Hana wrote:
>Actually, I see dying as waking up.
That gave me a flash of memory of dreams like that. Of finding myself in a
brighter world with the ability to levitate ... old friends around I
think.... Always the sensation is of waking up, back to reality,
1998-America was the dream....
Mary
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