1998/03/22 12:22
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #216
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 216
Today's Topics:
thought [ John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca> ]
rebirth [ Gaurav Asthana <gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net ]
Re: street lights and K? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: God As Perfection-God as Perfect [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Stephen Gornik <SteveThetaATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: weird sensation. [ "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com> ]
Re: Q?RE:_Personal_Genius._Glad_ [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
gurus, reptiles, seizures ..oh my! [ "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhot ]
Re: Gurus and Professors [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Gurus and Professors [ "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
Re: gurus, reptiles, seizures ..oh m [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Patanjali and art [ Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net> ]
Re: Personal Genius [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: Personal Genius [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
sudarshan chakra [ Maggie Barber <maggie838ATnospamyahoo.com> ]
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 06:44:51 -0700
From: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: thought
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From: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca>
Subject: thought
Hi
Thought - this may be of interest to K list;
I am forwarding, NOT cross-posting !
John
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To: Multiple recipients of list DOWSING <DOWSINGATnospamintuition.org>
Subject: thought
From: hansenATnospammcn.org (Robert & Sharon Hansen)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:38:08 -0800
I have been listening to, or I should say reading, what has been said on
"intuition" for some time now and have graduated to a point where I would
like to add some thoughts to consider.
Sharon and I have been working on developing our dowsing for over 7 ears
now. We started out with the "L" rod and located water veins, noxious
zones, and a lot of other concealed items. I even used it to locate my
ever illusive glasses. We also use the pendulum to get answers, directions,
to clear people, and to talk to our guides and angels . We are
also channeling healing. Along the way we have had so many interesting
experiences, or you can call them coincidences. This is what I would like
to touch on at this time.
I find it so very interesting when I just observe and take time to
appreciate coincidences. It seems to me that all too many of us rush
through life taking for granted all matter of life and in particular that
which cannot be seen. Sharon and I have experiences of being a participant
in the healing of animals, energizing the healing system within people, and
the changing in our personal life's direction, opening of understanding
within partnerships, and opening channels towards an understanding of love.
Coincidences are astounding. One small story of many. We have a wild
turkey. It got very sick. I mean it was on its back with its legs up in
the air. Sharon and I had to go to town the day we found the turkey
reaching for the sky, so we put the turkey in the car (feet down so he
would look better) and stopped by the vet. He took one look at the bird
and said we should kill it before it infected the flock with whatever it
had. He said "Turkeys this sick just do not service. In fact, turkeys
look for a reason to die". Well, we said, "We will do a healing on the
bird and make him better". Got some funny looks. You know the kind.
The eyes roll back into the head, there is that half smile that crunches
the face and they walk off shaking their head after not taking the time to
say good bye. So we did our thing, and the turkey is alive and well. We
called the vet to give him an update. He could not believe the bird was
alive. We have offered to help other pets but to date we have not received
a call.
The point of this little story is if we all kind of checked things out a
little more, we would find that if we expend a little energy each and
everyone of us could channel healing and love. If we want to learn, there
are teachers and plenty of examples to draw from. It is all right here,
all around us.
The result of the point. If people opened their eyes and perceived these
what is now called coincidences and built upon them and understood that
coincidences are more the norm , we could replace the ego with warm fuzzy
love, replace the need for more with satisfaction, replace striving and
stress with peace and a connection with knowledge and experience arrival at
understanding.
I find this very interesting and sad. And I come away with a Big Why is
humanity not going in the direction of understanding ? But I am also
very thankful for dowsers as they, along with others, have that
understanding. May we change the mindset of the world. That would be our
dream.
How do you start ? Ask God, the Universal Consciousness, your spirit
guides, your pendulum, the whole or whomever, to open your eyes and allow
you to see and learn. Expend daily constant time and energy directed
towards developing a connection and opening your perception through your
aura, third eye, your angels or whatever avenue you want to use. Gradually
you will see new doors open for you. Warning. You will get what you ask
for but not necessarily in the time frame you want. You travel in the
directions of your thoughts. Change your point of observation and your
life's perceptions will change.
We are open to sharing thoughts and more than willing to help wherever we
can.
Our personal E-Mail address is >>> <hansenATnospammcn.org>.
Love from Robert and Sharon
J.M.Living, P.Eng., A wise old owl lived in an oak;
2731 West 11th.Avenue, the more he saw, the less he spoke;
Vancouver, B.C., the less he spoke, the more he heard;
Canada V6K 2L8 he was definitely not a political bird !
Vox & Fax (604) 737-7456
"The Truth is out there !" - and YOU can find it by Dowsing !
Dowsers * Questers / Canada: "http://users.uniserve.com/~questers/"
Learn to use a Pendulum: "http://mypage.direct.ca/j/jliving/penlearn.htm"
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 20:22:48 +0000 (GMT)
From: Gaurav Asthana <gauravATnospamlw1.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: rebirth
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Many of us may believe that after death one simply vanishes out of
existence.It may not be so.Dying maybe like falling in a deep sleep.The
difference being that on waking up you find yourself the same person while
after death one may open his eyes to find himself in a different body and
surroundings.This is his rebirth.It maybe in any form of life other than
human or human life itself.As when a newborn child opens his eyes to find
himself in a particular body the same happens when a soul takes rebirth in
an animal form.An animal baby also finds it moulded in a particular body
whatever his past life might have been.
Kundalini is a vehicle not for
this life only but it may mould ones next lives also depending on it's
intensity of thrust and one's karma in this life.Kundalini and karma have
to be taken into account together to get the picture of things to come.
with love,
Rahul
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:22:54 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: street lights and K?
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Hi Bob! :)
At 08:46 1998.03.22 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:17:46 +0100, Danijel Turina
><sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr> wrote:
>>So before you go jumping to conclusions about K outbursts, and you begin
>>panicking about something being seriously wrong with you (or telling people
>>"look what I've done! like, wow!":))), look for a bit more grounded
>>explanation, please. :)))
>
>Danijel,
>
>Ah, Occam's Razor comes to the rescue again. :-) You explanation of
>street lights, and their simple light detection systems, makes good
>sense.
:) Yes, world is strange enough even without K-driven street lights. :)))
Take care! :)
-----
E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:38:58 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: Roberto Gonzales del Valle <930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe>,
kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: God As Perfection-God as Perfect Awareness
Message-ID: <35152284.EE03DE58ATnospamerols.com>
Hi Roberto,
I really appreciate your telling us the truth about "sun" worship in ancient
Peru. You have put me in touch with a memory of my own experiences there,
then. Lovely. I didn't feel incomplete before, but I feel more complete now.
Thanks.
Blessings,
Orea
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 05:38:39 -1000 (HST)
From: Stephen Gornik <SteveThetaATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <199803221538.FAA27319ATnospamhaleakala.aloha.net>
EXCELLENT REFERENCE:
This is one of the most relaxed and practical kundalini guideline book i have ever encountered. They are effective and work gradually inunison.
KUNDLAINI AWAKENING - A GENTLE GUIDE TO CHAKRA ACTIVEATION AND SPIRITUAL GROWTH by John Selby
Quote: p.55
"Usually, when people firstbegin to relfect upon kunkalini energy flows, they try to visualize energythat rises up from the base of the spine and moves progressively through the chakras until it flashes into the infinite spiritual realms of the seventh chakra. This was my own first impression of kunalini.
The experiential truth of energy flows in the body is this: The lifeforece energy flows both up from the earth through our bodies and also down through the seventh chakra into our bodies from above.
It is essential to understand that our human bodies are receptors of energy both from above and below. We are in physical form th emarriage of heaven and earth, inthis important and ultimate energetic sense.
A FULLY INTEGRATED ENERGEIC CIRCUIT
When you turn your attention to your chakra system, please keep in mind that you are not going to experience static chakras, each of them existing in and of themselves. You are going to encounter your chakras as living, energetic centers constantly being activeated by energy flowing from both above and below. Chakras exist only in energetic action.
They also exist only in relationship witheach other, and with the energetic flows around the body. This is why I begin thiskunalini program by hving you focus onot only on individual chakras but on your whole body.
I HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THIS BOOK.
In the past, as a swmi in training, we were also taught only to focus on the Ajna Chakra. This always made me feel ungrounded and a chaotuc energy system. Of course, there is more than one way.
You may want to check out this source.
OM SHANTI - AVEC L'AMOUR
STEPHEN - ETIENNE
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:11:07 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Bob Jones <bobjonesATnospamco.tds.net>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Hi bob,
Involuntary undulations, trembling, sweating are the symptoms on
the path of kundalini awakening. I don't know about rest of them
which you have mentioned.
Love and Blessings,
anurag
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Bob Jones wrote:
> Recently I have started having some involuntary undulations and
> trembling of my body while doing some focused visualizations looking
> at a picture of Christ. I am in an altered state at the time.
> This also occurred 5 years ago when I was also doing some intense
> spiritual work. Am I having a kundalini experience?
> For the last 6 months I have also been experiencing lots of physical problems (unusual for me). This includes extreme pain in my legs,
> kidney weakness, parasites, and a recent episode of sweating,
> shortness of breath and diarrhea. What is going on?
>
> How do I access list? Did I miss that info?
>
>
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:26:42 -0400
From: "Orea de Sa' Hana" <oreaATnospamerols.com>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>, kl List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: weird sensation.
Message-ID: <35152DB4.9E19E26DATnospamerols.com>
Yes, I feel something like that now, and once it was my first chakra.
Blessings,
Orea
Debora A. Orf wrote:
>
> just a question for y'all.
>
> ever feel like your heart center is 'pregnant'?
>
> i cant think of another word to describe this.
>
> --janpa
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:38:43 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: 930359ATnospamaloe.ulima.edu.pe
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Q?RE:_Personal_Genius._Glad_
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<snip>
>
>K has given very wonderful things bet the one that impresses me the
mosth=
>as
>to do with languaje languaje. I speak and it is like words are coming
>through my mouth but no from my mind. Like i got possesed by something
>bigger than me which I cannot understand and suddenly I say something
to =
>me
>listener that is exactly what he/she was craving for. I can actually
see =
>the
>light in their eyes. That is why I have become used to saying "No me
des =
>la
>gracias, dale gracias a la vida" ("Don=B4t thank me, thank life
instead".
>
>I have realized it is all part of a puzzle that is why there are signs
>everwhere because the pieces must fit. Every look in the eye you have
bee=
>n
>given needed to happen it is a share of information and energy that was
>somehow meant to be.
>
>Love
>Roberto.
>
>
>
>Ahhh, Roberto...such a lovely thought:
" No me des la gracias, dale gracias a la vida."
I am going to take this for a new mantra to say..best as I can in your
language. Indeed, all of life comes to us a gift of life from life, and
to live with such gratitude simply feels right and good.
You are so welcome here..always enjoy to read your posts because of
such sincereity of your thoughts and feelings. You do have that
"peaceful, easy feeling" of the 60's, Roberto. Its simply a state of
mind..forget the calendar, ok?? Never too late to be a groovy guy.
Glo Lee
here's a quote back for you from Thich Naht Hanh:
"Our own life is the intstrument through which
we experiment with truth."
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:39:46 PST
From: "Susan Carlson" <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: gurus, reptiles, seizures ..oh my!
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Gurus of any type....and i have none other than Self...I consider as
elder brothers or sisters. (Maybe because I am the oldest in my family.)
They are part of my family. They might be a little older and wiser in
some things than I am so can be depended on at times to be a good guide
down paths I have never been. But to give them my undying devotion and
think they can do no wrong...hmm...hero worship..little kids stuff. I
respect them now (or not...if their behaviour is incongruent with their
words) that i am grown up and I still love them as i did with my child's
heart.
My reptilian brain is very responsive to k, if i define k as vital
energy. If I didnt have k, i would be dead I think. So what is this
other 'spiritual' k that causes evolution of a person's soul? Too bad
there's "duality" notion in viewing k, which IMO is a holographic,
pandimensional phenomenon.
To study the phenomenon of k in just a physiological way would be to use
CAT scans. Take a 'before' shaktipat picture and then an 'after'.
I would think ECGs, before and after. And there are so many
sophisticated lab tests... But since there are so many kinds of
Shaktipat (since each receives according to his ability and need..IMO)
it would almost be easier to find one specific drop of water in the
ocean. ...and its a place to start.
Rather than looking for genuis...how about looking for behavioral
markers? Dont think moral/virtue markers are necessarily valid..depends
on the culture. Kinda reminds me of those tool using experiments they
designed for chimpanzees...will he use the stick to get a hold of the
banana he cant reach? :)))
I am still having seizures, when the energy runs very high in me. My
body vibrates like a violin string as an electrical charge runs up thru
my spine and througout my body. Havent become physiologically
unconscious, thank god or otherwise i would have been incontinent!
Last night it was very strong...even having spontaneous continuous
pranayama. Other times I have stopped breathing all together. Think of
your body, humming with electricity, as your spine moves in a sine wave
while simultaneously your pelvis rocks like its in an orgasm while your
back is fiery flame. Then add seeing the lotus at the top of your head
while viewing events in different times and different locations. It did
not hurt; it felt sweet and lovely. This was how I spent last night.
Today my whole self feels as a vortex of energy.
I think it was Kurt that said that k prepares the body for grace. I
think its grace that brings the rising of K. I did no spiritual
practices to prepare for the rising of k. I still dont. The descent of
grace, I think, precedes the rising of k. What happens after is as
varied as the individual.
The rising of k has made me a more pleasant person to be around most of
the time ;), but it is by no means the only reason why I am that way. K
has been more synergestic/catalystic in my life. I am a meatarian :)), i
meditate when k draws me into it and its the rising k that purifies my
body bringing about practices that look and feel 'spiritual'. I really
have grown to love saying mantras. I love the way they vibrate thru my
body and bring me bliss and quietness.
Anyway, my two and a half cents worth.
Love,
Susan
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:14:04 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Jan Barendrecht <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
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Hi,
What is SHABDA YOGA?
Love,
anurag
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 09:26:48 PST
From: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, lobsterATnospamclara.net
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
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>
>on 21 Mar 98, Harsha1MTM wrote...
>
>><< It is therefore true to say that people get the Gurus they deserve.
>>
>>
>>Harsha: Well stated. And Gurus get the chelas (disciples) they
deserve! Ramana
>>Maharshi once said that the disciple is more important than the Guru.
If the
>>disciple has purity, faith and is sincere, even a stone statute will
serve as
>>the Sad Guru.
>
<snip>
>I am incidently involved in a long term project to train my own Guru.
It has
>taken several years to overcome his innate worldliness and inclination
to
>atheism. However I persevere . . .
>
>Lobster
>
>ED, you get me rolling on the floor laughing with these little asides
of profundity that you casually toss around. Now what does your Guru
Think of the disciple you have given him to work with???
Glo Lee
PS. Your Crustaceousness is quite charming, ya know??
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:53:43 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Susan Carlson <divine_goddessATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: gurus, reptiles, seizures ..oh my!
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Hi Susan,
Are you saying you love reciting mantras ?. If yes then it's
the
beautiful experience which you have expressed about mantras.
Love,
anurag
> have grown to love saying mantras. I love the way they vibrate thru my
> body and bring me bliss and quietness.
>
>
> Anyway, my two and a half cents worth.
>
> Love,
> Susan
>
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:33:38 -0800
From: Mary Ezzell <maryATnospamsonic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Patanjali and art
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Someone wrote:
>>W<<BIG SNIP> (Patanjali etc.) explicitly =
>>warn against using siddhis: it means the end of spiritual progress. =
What passages in Patanjali are you referring to that 'explicitly warn'? He
lists a number of siddhis and how to achieve them.
Many old yoga scriptures were written for monks in monastaries or forest
herimtages. People who were already doing nothing but meditate in a cave
with people bringing them rice three times a day. In that situation siddhis
would probably be a distraction.
But I don't think that applies to people like us getting a k boost with our
art or even business functioning.
For example, if a monk discovered a talent for singing, it could attract a
crowd and cause problems. But if a singer who is already having the
problems, is led by k to let k take over teh singing, so that the hours
she's already putting in to singing are now communing with k also.... That
could be wonderful! (Kind of like Angelique's work situation, maybe. :-)
IMO, letting k unfold an artistic talent to the extent that you can quit
your day job is very legit. Enables right livlihood that can be a
meditative sort of work, flexible schedule that lets you travel to
retreats, etc.
Shouldn't we distinguish between 'making' k power a siddhi She doesn't want
to, and blocking some siddhi She does want to open? Not force Her to power
what some book says is the Only True Straight and Narrow Path to the Only
True Enlightment.
K knows what's best for each person at each point.
Mary
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 1996 10:44:19 -0800
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us,
Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Personal Genius
Message-ID: <3152F503.A8966A94ATnospamtransbay.net>
I have a feeling my earlier posting was misread. I'm sorry I wasn't
particularly
clear on what I was saying or why I was saying it. Here is an answer to
the
questions asked by amckeon.
>Are you uncomfortable with your own "specialness?" I can relate. I felt
>that way once, sometimes I still do, but less and less as the years pass
>and I learn more about myself.
I don't think I'm uncomfortable with my own specialness. I've
always been
different. What I'm more uncomfortable with are manifestations of ego
which have
come back to me during my current awakening and that I see reflected in
this
list. The feelings that make me uncomfortable are similar to feelings I
had back
in my hyper-corporate days. These feelings are feelings of power and
control that I had because I could
easily manipulate people. The same feelings of power are resurfacing in
me as I'm going through
another round of healing and cleansing.
There is a Buddhist story that describes this. I don't remember that
exactly so many of the details will be off. A bandit operated in the
himalayas and was widely known and feared. Every
victim he caught, he robbed and slew. One day he was setting up his
thieving
operation in a remote part of the mountains where he had never been
before. He
caught an old woman leaving a nearby village and was getting ready to
rob and
kill her. She asked him for help climbing the mountain because she had
no idea
who he was and she had heard of a fierce bandit in the area. He paused
and
thought of his own mother and decided to guide her to the top of the
mountain.
When they reached the top she said 'Thank god, the bandit didn't find
us." He
replied, "There was no chance of that, since I am the bandit." The old
woman
died of fright when she found out who he was. Feeling pangs of guilt
for
inadvertantly slaying the woman, he decided to give up his evil ways.
He became
a recluse and lived for years in a cave meditating. The people in the
nearby village
discovered him and thought he was a great monk and invited him down to
the
village as there own abbot. He lived for a time as the abbot of the
village.
One day a merchant was going out of town for a long journey and asked
the abbot
to watch his house. The abbot came into the house and saw the
merchant's
strongbox. Immediately he thought of robbing the merchant. Soon there
was great
shouting coming from the house. All the villagers came in and they
found the
bandit/abbot in the house shouting. "Thief!!! Thief!!! I've caught a
thief." He
was found standing in the hut with his right hand in the strong-box
stealing money and his left
hand grasped around the wrist trying to stop himself.
>I am happily married, live in the Midwest, and watch a lot of TV. What
>would you like to know about living an ordinary life? A while back there
>was a discussion of soul mates, and I posted about how much I loved my
>husband. I think that would fall under the "how to live an ordinary life"
>category.
By ordinary life I didn't mean dull, drab and boring. I meant how
people
take the extraordinary into their lives, how people learn to enjoy their
breath,
the people around them, the things they do. The question I was asking
was how do you
integrate this new exciting manifestation into the regular world. There
is the
Zen saying 'There are no ordinary moments.'
>Your earlier comment expressed concern about us discussing "obtuse effects"
>and now you say you joined the list because of your own "side_effects." How
>can we be helpful to each other if we don't discuss these things? If you
>want to know *why* these things happen, that's one thing, or if you want to
>know how to make them *go away* that is another thing. My impression is
>that one or both of these is your goal, and you are upset that we seem to
>be enjoying the weirdness rather than finding out how to "cure" it?
I'm sorry, I think there is a misunderstanding here. I've been
meditating
and practicing for quite a while and have had many weird things happen
to me,
they weren't specifically associated with K energy though. When I had a
manifestation of things that wasn't explained by my practice or my
teachings I
sought another explanation. The side-effects I was discussing were
Kriya's--trembling and seizures. The answers to the questions I've
asked have
helped me balance the energy and realize that I was entering into
another
purification process. I went through a different type of purification 2
years
ago that had different manifestations. I wasn't seeking a cure, merely
reassurance that this was a known process, and a discussion of why it
was
occuring.
By obtuse effects I meant focusing on electrical and psychic
manifestations
of K. The end of my path is enlightenment not psychic powers.
Thank you for your questions though, they have helped me focus my
thoughts.
Dan M.
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:57:56 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Personal Genius
Message-ID: <35155F34.D5715118ATnospammail.snet.net>
John Living wrote:
> Never took IQ tests, so how did I know I was a genius ?
> Easy - I just knew all the others were stupid !
By using this analysis everyone must be a genius.
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:53:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Maggie Barber <maggie838ATnospamyahoo.com>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: sudarshan chakra
Message-ID: <19980322185335.26069.rocketmailATnospamsend1b.yahoomail.com>
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Hi, does anyone know anything about Sudarshan Chakras?
I am involved in The Art of Living, a foundation set up by Sri Sri
Ravi Shankar. During one of my guided meditations, I saw something
that was a circle of light that I continued to see when I was no
longer meditating. It was a jagged circle and it moved with the sound
of the birds, wind, etc. I saw it over my head when I looked in the
mirror. Someone told me it was a Sudarshan Chakra, but I am not
familiar with this. Thanks,
Maggie
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