1998/03/22 07:45
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #215
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 215
Today's Topics:
Re: Personal Genius [ amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Robert H Krueger <rhk47f2ATnospamwebtv.net ]
Re: Gurus and Professors [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Reasonably good reason is . . . [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: universal approach [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Personal Genius [ ThorneBush <ThorneBushATnospamaol.com> ]
[Fwd: Fatigue] [ R Powell <rpowellATnospampcug.org.au> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: God As Perfection-God as Perfect [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: street lights and K? [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: Gurus and Professors [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: Personal Genius [ "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo. ]
Re: street lights and K? [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ]
vernal fervor [ valeriec <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Re: Personal Genius [ John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca> ]
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 23:46:07 -0500
From: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
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Subject: Re: Personal Genius
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Dan Margolis wrote:
>Again, I agree entirely. The most upsetting thing I've discovered about
>this list is this sense of 'specialness.'
Are you uncomfortable with your own "specialness?" I can relate. I felt
that way once, sometimes I still do, but less and less as the years pass
and I learn more about myself.
>People seem to spend more time
>discussing the obtuse effects of k-energy than discussing living an ordinary
>life.
I have an ordinary life. I've often posted about how my ordinary job bored
and frustrated me, until enough people told me it was my responsibility to
change it or learn to "bloom where I was planted". No magic spells, no
mumbo jumbo, just "take action or quit yer b*tchin." Can't be more ordinary
than that.
I am happily married, live in the Midwest, and watch a lot of TV. What
would you like to know about living an ordinary life? A while back there
was a discussion of soul mates, and I posted about how much I loved my
husband. I think that would fall under the "how to live an ordinary life"
category.
>I've only recently joined this list so I don't know if this is the
>general trend or the specific.
This list is sometimes like a three ring circus where the only constant is
change. Trends come and go. Observe for a while, and the ebb and flow of
differing subjects and attitudes will eventually become apparent. I compare
it to the weather we get in my neck of the woods. Don't like the snow? The
sun'll be out in 15 minutes.
>I joined this list because of side-effects
>in my practice that weren't explained by the practice I was pursuing, not to
>concentrate on my own 'specialness' or the psychic gifts and spells
>available.
Your earlier comment expressed concern about us discussing "obtuse effects"
and now you say you joined the list because of your own "side_effects." How
can we be helpful to each other if we don't discuss these things? If you
want to know *why* these things happen, that's one thing, or if you want to
know how to make them *go away* that is another thing. My impression is
that one or both of these is your goal, and you are upset that we seem to
be enjoying the weirdness rather than finding out how to "cure" it?
If you are feeling over-stimulated and out of control I can understand why
you feel you are not getting what you came here for. If what you want is a
way to feel calmer or a way to get centered or grounded there are people on
this list who can help. Ask a specific question and you'll get several
useful responses from the list. Don't be shy :)
this too shall pass,
amckeon
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 19:55:49 -1000 (HST)
From: Robert H Krueger <rhk47f2ATnospamwebtv.net>
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Subject intro continued.
Those of you that read my intro earlier during the week will notice that i did not enclude my experiences along the way.Hopefully somebody out there may recogniz some of them,
The best way for me to do tht is for me to copy something that i wrote a couple of years back. The major portion of the experience happened back 28 years ago,however,since then ive had to deal with two related insidents. I would not trade what i have learned for all the riches this world has to offer.
After all these years, and due to the cmplicated structure and amount of Knowelege recieved not to mention an unpurfect memory,I wrote this down to remind me of that wonderful situation for my future years I kept it in my bible....................
The kundalini experience is proof of a higher existance of man,within ones self.It also gives man a tremendos advantage in dealing with his daily life. One must explore and learn and find the way to stay on the path Many people do not realize the totality of the experience and assume minor roles.The achevement of being able to relate this experience to another,thereby,awakening that experience within another,would be the primary,to discribe this experience in myself would be the start of that directive. Therefor i will try to write down parts,asi sawand felt the phonomen within myself. I will procceed to outline various aspects and hopefully one day put them into perspective.
A lock that opens inner vision to a stat
A golden heart
Allth planets line up
You travel through the planets and into the sun
A cross that opens up to a rainbow
A tunnel wth angels clapping
Small colored clouds at certain levels
A circle formed where all matter breaks down and tilts to one direction.
Travel upward in your astral body away from the earth and looking down
Visual clarity inner vision
Unusual writing capabilities
Picture symbols used to make words
Inner vision of a cross
Inner vision of a cloud,white,that you must pass through
Appears to be able to travel ahead or backwards in time throgh circle. Ability to heal
Now that an understanding is in order you must spend the rest of your time here learning how to develop your abilities for the betterment of mankind
A gift or reward for your efforts
A meeting with a spirit that gives you a stone and a name three times and makes you aware that you are a teacher
Insight as to your situation
It would appear a guardian or guardians
The ability to leave your body in spirit form
Knowelege goals with rewards,one,being a coal from a hearth,delivered by a diety to your lips, the sweetnes of which is undescribable.
Endless goals for your persuit here on earth.
If anyone out there can identify with any of the things former mentioned, Please feel free to contact me at
rhk47f2ATnospamwebtv.net
Sincerly,
Robert
Unusual
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 20:24:42 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
Message-Id: <970321202442.n0002105.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 21 Mar 98, Harsha1MTM wrote...
><< It is therefore true to say that people get the Gurus they deserve. >>
>
>Harsha: Well stated. And Gurus get the chelas (disciples) they deserve! Ramana
>Maharshi once said that the disciple is more important than the Guru. If the
>disciple has purity, faith and is sincere, even a stone statute will serve as
>the Sad Guru.
I would agree. People think they (with all their hangups, inability to perceive
the truth etc etc) can "know" who or what constitutes a Guru. If they develop
real qualities they will become aware of the Real wherever it is.
The genuine Guru quite often chooses the disciple according to the capacity to
learn - not according to their estimation of their sincerity.
I am incidently involved in a long term project to train my own Guru. It has
taken several years to overcome his innate worldliness and inclination to
atheism. However I persevere . . .
Lobster
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 12:59:52 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Reasonably good reason is . . .
Message-Id: <970321125952.n0002046.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 21 Mar 98, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote...
>>E Jason wrote:
>>
>>> The original question stands (to everyone) - why does the so called
>>>process of
>>> kundalini awakening produce more anguish than solutions?
>
>It doesn't.
It doesn't for you - so that settles it. :) Please. For most people it seems to
produce one crisis after another. Which makes me feel that what is happening has
very little to do with a spiritual process. However assuming it is then it must
find resolution. That really is the point, a snake energy that causes years of
distress (as reported by Gopi Krishna) followed by the ability to write mediocre
poetry - well - what do you think . . .
>It didn't for me. No anguish at all, except for a few episodes of deep
>fears emerging and then gone forever.
That's good.
>And "solutions"? My cup is over-flowing with so much love and joy and
>wonder that I can't begin to tell you here.
That's great. :)
>Glancing at Sannella's "Kundalini Experience," where a number of cases are
>reported, sometimes in their own words, it looks to me like the number of
>people with anything you could call "anguish" is relatively low. Many
>report problems with various symptoms, which Sannella found were usually
>alleviated or at least ameliorated when the K. process was understood and
>accepted and resistance ceased.
I would agree fully with this. Resisting something produces conflict.
>"Experience suggests that such cases are best approached with
>understanding, strength, and gentle support....
>I'm sorry if you've experienced anguish and no solutions, or not enough to
>balance the anguish. But it simply isn't true of everyone, not even of a
>majority.
I am sorry for nothing. The causes of my difficulties are self induced - I was
perfectly aware of what I was taking on and why. I have no problem with that. :)
Thanks for the examples. People who are having difficulties should reach out to
those whose voice they recognise on this list. They will be supported in their
experience.
>I wish you more love and joy and wonder.
Thank you. I wish you what you require. :)
Love and Peace
Lobster
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 21:06:57 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospaminfase.es>
Cc: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: universal approach
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Joshua:
>>PLEASE don't confuse the Bible with Rome. There has never been a more
>fierce
>>opposition to the Bible than that of Rome. Gnostics weren't the only ones
>>burned by Rome.
Joshua I am going to let you into a little secret. It concerns the most
dangerous people in the World. Catholics? Fremmasons? KJ Biblical Evangelists?
Moslems? Lobsters? Snake worshippers?
The most dangerous people are those who are certain. If you are certain then you
are capable of:
1. Not listening
2. Acting with complete disregard for anything but the supposed truth
3. An inability to understand others are equally certain
Jesus talked constantly about such people, they were the priests and narrow
sects of his own time. If he were here now he would say much the same about you
and your narrow vision of life and truth.
You have come here to feel some justification of your position. You are a
hypocrite. You do not care to listen to others views as being possibly right -
because you and your Bible are right.
Do you intend to distance yourself further from Christ? Or are you capable of
keeping company with sinners (as Jesus did) forgiving and ministering to their
needs - not yours? What people need from you is acceptance. If you can not
accept their - what you would see as - sins, you will do nothing of any good and
further will entrench them in beliefs that are different to your own.
Be Well
Lobster
There were also Jews and anyone who believed what the Bible
>>said or owned a Bible. Have you not read of the bloody St. Bartholomew's
>Day
>>massacre? I could give you countless other examples. It was Romes false
>>bibles which sent the western world into 1000 years of "dark (no light of
>the
>>word of God) ages". It was men like Tyndale who gave the common man a true
>>Bible and brought the world out of its confusion. Look at what happened to
>>the English empire and language after the 1611 publishing of the King James
>>Bible. America had it for a long time too. Unfortunately, for the last 100
>>years, England, American, and all over the world have been flooded with
>false
>>(Catholic) bibles. This is the reason for world wars, moral decay, the
>break
>>down of the family, etc.
>>
>>You have studied, and your knowledge is unusual. I'm glad, and for this
>>reason I make a strong plea to you. Read the truth, it will set you free.
>>Free from sin, free from lies that keep you in bondage.
>>
>>With love and respect,
>>Joshua
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:39:03 EST
From: ThorneBush <ThorneBushATnospamaol.com>
To: amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Personal Genius
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In a message dated 98-03-22 00:37:17 EST, amckeonATnospamhsmail.nfld.k12.mn.us
writes:
> If you are feeling over-stimulated and out of control I can understand why
> you feel you are not getting what you came here for.
Most of American lifestyles contribute to this feeling. Television yaps at us
and gives little but noise back. I look at the countires in which I have lived
and people are less stressed out, like each other more and they don't have
"busy time" or hours of watching television. Not to mention they value the
genius that resides in each of themselves. They walk more they converse more
and I think Americans could learn alot from others and not think that the way
we do things is the "right" way.
Thorne Hartford
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:00:49 -0800
From: R Powell <rpowellATnospampcug.org.au>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: [Fwd: Fatigue]
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:46:46 -0800
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Hi.
My first encounter with the Kundalini was in 1982. I nearly drowned on a
bushwalking trip and things began to happen soon after. Within a few
days I went from being a mentally sharp and reasonably physically fit
individual to a wreck. I couldn´t concentrate and my adrenalin system
when haywire. I when from doctor to doctor and was told that I had
everything from a stomach virus to Hepititis. Eventually I was diagnosed
as having Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.
The CFS symptoms fit but don´t cover experiences I can only attribute to
Kundalini.
My health has greatly improved since those days but I have never regained
my mental and physical stamina. Has anyone had a similar experience/
Thanks
Richard
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:40:14 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
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Jerry Katz wrote:
> I do not claim To Know, but I have heard that the white stone says upon
> it, I AM.
White for pure.Stone for enduring.(eternal).
Both with respect to awareness.
Eternal Life.
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 02:30:38 -0500
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: God As Perfection-God as Perfect Awareness
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Anurag Goel wrote:
> if we are heading towards perfection
Perfection is eternally intact. Can't be otherwise.
The movement toward perfection is illusion.(as any time bound process)
We are really becoming more aware of Perfection.
> then why are we heading towards that
No one remains lost forever.
> and what will happen after that.
There is no "after".
Asking this is like lucid dreaming and asking a dream character in your dream
what will happen when you awaken.
> What is the game which GOD is playing and why is he doing so?
Whose playing the game?
Children play games.
Surely Gods' children play with madness.
But fire hurts and we learn not to stick our hands in it anymore.
Burnt Fingers
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:17:46 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: street lights and K?
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>Just a question from a curious newcomer: has anyone else noticed a
>tendency for street lights to go out when you're around them? It
>seems to me that this happens with inordinate frequency to me, and
>I've heard others on occasion mention the same phenomenon....
>
>__________________& Delirium replied________
>
>I have, and have also dubbed it "my guardian angel (daffy duck) flying
>into the light poles" syndrome...
>
><grinning>...but seriously, yes, it happens to me all the time. I
>wondered for a while if maybe my car headlights had a "dazzling" effect
>on the mercury vapor lights and made them "go out" for a moment...
As far as I know, street lights are equipped with light sensors - if the
environmental light is over a threshold (daytime), they turn off, if it is
below (night time) they turn on. Simple. If the environmental light is
close to the threshold and it is still considered daytime, and you pass
near a sensor, and your shadow falls on it, it will decide it is night and
the lights will turn on. If it is night, and you are driving by a sensor,
and the lights of your car fall on the sensor, it will decide it is daytime
and will turn off the street light. That is the explanation that makes most
sense with street lights, which are AFAIK the most frequent subject of the
ESP/psychokinetic powers talk. :) I had frequent problems with my computer
some time ago - it behaved strange and crashed all the time. Well, if I
were listening to all that talk, I'd be doing grounding exercises and
bubble spells - and God knows I was close to that, I couldn't find out what
was wrong with the #$%#& thing. :) It wasn't K, though, I had two 16 MB
SIMMs that were either defective or couldn't get along well with the
motherboard - so I replaced them. No grounding exercises or bubble spells
needed, and the computer works like a dream now. :)
So before you go jumping to conclusions about K outbursts, and you begin
panicking about something being seriously wrong with you (or telling people
"look what I've done! like, wow!":))), look for a bit more grounded
explanation, please. :)))
On the other hand, I know people who burned electronic equipment while they
were seriously pissed, but these cases were always very clear to determine
- they are _seriously_ ungrounded folks, they even feel like balloons
flying around doing things just to see that they can do them, and they are
not in touch with the moment, with themselves, with their environment and
their lives - and unfortunately they have great personal energy. Well, just
a few thoughts. :)
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:21:57 -0000
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
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>From SIRaCH9310 <SIRaCH9310ATnospamaol.com>
Date: Sunday, March 22, 1998 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
>Isnt Osho The ex Bhagwan Sri Rajnessh? Moses gives,Jesus saves and Bhagwan
>spends.. He also said.....don't just do something, sit there!
You are right. Bhagwan Sri Rajneesh became Osho. He said much more - IMO he
had a great sense of humor (matter of taste of course).
>
>
>Anyone familiar with Gurdjeiffs comments about Kundalini? I have heard he
said
>she said type stuff about his invalidation of the whole notion of
Kundalini.
>Anyone have clue as to what I am talking about?
>
>Peace1 Alan
>
Not only Gurdieff, Shabda Yoga also claims to "bypass" K. At the moment,
another discussion about this is going on at NG alt.yoga. However, I
received some information, stating that this yoga doesn´t lead to moksha.
Yet, in the NG alt.meditation.shabda a post about ojas appeared and the
practice of it almost automatically leads to the awakening of K... It seems
reasonable to assume that with the proper training Nirvikalpa Samadhi can be
attained without raising K.; it is highly unlikely that without K. one can
destroy tendencies and escape from reincarnation.
Jan
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:25:32 -0000
From: "Jan Barendrecht" <janbarenATnospamcorreo.infase.es>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Personal Genius
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>From Gloria Lee <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
Date: Saturday, March 21, 1998 5:19 PM
Subject: Re: Personal Genius
Dear Gloria,
I used the expression: "engaging to the extreme in music, painting or
science etc. with the aid of K. is considered to be abuse of K. or siddhi"
so I am rather surprised how you jump to "proper use", since my post was
concerned only with the extreme. Nowhere did I mention "proper use" or
refer to it indirectly. The expression" engaging to the extreme" was
evaluated in order to leave no doubt as to what was meant by it. IMO I did
the right thing, because for "proper use" their will be 6 billion opinions
or so and I didn´t want to indulge in a debate on even one of them. As the
post was about "genius", of course it leaves out many - is that a reason not
to discuss it? In order not to be taken very seriously, I used the word
"speculative" once and the word "speculation" twice and yet you take things
very seriously, as if you are personally offended.
So I would like to return the question: Where did you take the (giant) leap
from extreme to proper use and then take it so seriously despite the
repeated "disclaimer" of speculation?
Jan
>>Jan wrote:
>>The only way to study the effects of K. is to use identical twins. If
><<SNIP> Jan, we have been thru this already once ..check the archives
>>There was an extensive discussion of scientific proof and testing
>several months ago..
>
>>Now the speculative part. A frequent discussion is: "What comes first,
>=
>>enlightenment or K.?" My explanation (speculation...) is: there is no =
>>enlightenment without K. A remarkable feat of the "spontaneously =
>>enlightened ones" is, that invariably, all realize full enlightenment.
>=
>
>>W<<BIG SNIP> (Patanjali etc.) explicitly =
>>warn against using siddhis: it means the end of spiritual progress. =
>>Siddhis are not just paranormal or other ESP related feats: rightly, =
>>engaging to the extreme in music, painting or science etc. with the aid
>=
>>of K. is considered to be abuse of K. or siddhi.
> HUH??? The "proper use" of K forbids engaging in the arts?? Since
>when??? First you seem to be implying that only some genius level is
>even proper proof that K has manifested.. then you say don't USE it??
> Why on earth do you single out only certain activities as being
>properly spiritual?? Do you not appreciate when a spiritual person
>creates spiritual music?? Why exclude any of our normal pursuits in life
>and say they are a misuse?? Are we to stop living a normal life
>completely?? This obviously bothers me.. as does all the crap about
>genius level IQ's that was said before.. I, personally, have heard some
>very profound "truths" spoken by the so-called mentally retarded.
>There are many "spontaneously awakened* or what appear to me as very
>spiritual people who would never need to verbalize that they had
>attained any special state of mind..they just live it.
> Why do you want to see or frame the concept of enlightenment so
>narrowly that it becomes rare and exclusive?? Granted, there may be few
>Buddha's and Gurus...but why exclude most of the human race ??
> <<SNIP>>
>I joined this list to find out how others were managing.. and to learn
>from them..and while we may all be somewhat wierd in our own special
>way..I do not see much evidence that we have left the human race behind
>to become some exclusive club of the specially enlightened. What is so
>wrong about having the effects of K help you to do your ordinary job
>better?? Or to write or paint or create because you feel inspired or
>energized by K-fire??
> I am sorry to be so upset with your line of thinking here..perhaps its
>not all that clear to me.. and maybe you are NOT implying all this, so
>please keep explaining..ok?? If you have answers for the questions I
>raise here, pray tell.
>
>Puzzled and stubbornly ornery,
>Glo Lee
>Glo Lee
>
>______________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:46:24 -0500
From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: street lights and K?
Message-ID: <351a15f1.8662027ATnospammail.redsuspenders.com>
On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:17:46 +0100, Danijel Turina
<sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr> wrote:
>So before you go jumping to conclusions about K outbursts, and you begin
>panicking about something being seriously wrong with you (or telling people
>"look what I've done! like, wow!":))), look for a bit more grounded
>explanation, please. :)))
Danijel,
Ah, Occam's Razor comes to the rescue again. :-) You explanation of
street lights, and their simple light detection systems, makes good
sense.
Thanks,
Bob
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 04:30:08 -0800
From: valeriec <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
CC: CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM
Subject: vernal fervor
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Spring creates a time beyond discussion, whence rampant creative
forces rear their heads & make people crazy. That's the only word for it
- 'crazy'.
Last night, after giving a sign/painting to a guy who can afford to
not own the bar with the harbor attached which he fell into by some Dame
Fortune, circa the sixties, I walked/ran about the whole 2 or 3 miles
down the highway, & off down the deserted road, with absolutely no
lights, in an area rampant with bears, & also a coven of wolves, at
about 11pm or midnight. Singing 'Amazing Grace' at the top of my lungs
helped keep the demons at bay.
I wish to wax philosophical about this, but mostly I'd like to point
out how free from the internet I was; forced to encounter REAL primeval
forest beasties, & get my head outta my rosy red rectum.
I find the Kundalini an undeniable power source which makes for
strange surges of indescribable ecstasy & awe, & needs to be spent
constuctively.
My question is - what is the sound of the awareness of the bears &
hungry wolves, when you *know* they are nearby, & one is so alone & it
is so dark one cannot even see the unpaved road, & is an easy mark? It
is quiet beyond all measure, yet that feral hunger & awareness of
predators considering their prey being so pronounced - and yet *silent*.
Is this the sound of "one hand clapping"?
vc
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 06:44:48 -0700
From: John Living <jlivingATnospamdirect.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Personal Genius
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Dan M wrote:
>I tend to agree with Gloria here. I've always had a 'genius' level IQ.
>However, I had no manifestation of K until later in life. Before I turned
>to spiritual pursuits I still did works that could be considered genius.
>Now, actually I find less inclination to pursue these works. Intellectual
>pursuits have always left me cold, I was just good at them. I enjoy now
>ordinary life. I live in the moment and don't worry about those things.
I was a genius, but I retired a long time back. Never took IQ tests, so how
did I know I was a genius ? Easy - I just knew all the others were stupid !
>I do think that enlightenment is not rare and exclusive, but very rare and
>elusive. An awakened person is not enlightened.
Especially if one awakes with a hang over ! Except that one's hangover may
be due to drinking too much of the lite stuff.
>Again, I agree entirely. The most upsetting thing I've discovered about
>this list is this sense of 'specialness.' People seem to spend more time
>discussing the obtuse effects of k-energy than discussing living an ordinary
>life. I've only recently joined this list so I don't know if this is the
>general trend or the specific. I joined this list because of side-effects
>in my practice that weren't explained by the practice I was pursuing, not to
>concentrate on my own 'specialness' or the psychic gifts and spells
>available.
>
> Dan M.
Dan, you said this brilliantly; however I perceive another angle - how do we
use our K talents to acheive 'good' ? And this may be part of the trip;
perhaps it is only when we forget about our own problems that they actually
do disappear.
It seems to me that it is far easier to heal others than ourselves ! But it
may be that we need to practice in this way on others so that we can
eventually heal ourselves - and on the other hand, perhaps when we heal
others, then someone else heals us !
John
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