1998/03/21 06:16
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #212
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 212
Today's Topics:
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #192 [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
RE: Discovering the reptile within [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
(fwd) Re: bubble spells [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ]
Re: God As Perfection-God as Perfect [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: universal approach [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: (fwd) Re: bubble spells [ "Pam Myers" <pmyersATnospammail.coin.misso ]
Re: universal approach [ SIRaCH9310 <SIRaCH9310ATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: (fwd) Re: bubble spells [ rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevit ]
Range of K.....? [ "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com> ]
Re: Reasonably good reason is . . . [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
White Stone, was: AutoPost [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: Gurus and Professors [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: God As Perfection-God as Perfect [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Gurus and Professors [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: universal approach [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Range of K.....? [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Gurus and Professors [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Reasonably good reason is . . . [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Gurus and Professors [ Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com> ]
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:37:02 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: joemillerATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, margolisATnospamtransbay.net
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #192
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Hi Dan,
According to me rather than finding a yoga teacher you should
lookout for a person who can
awaken the Kundalini of others.One who knows all about kundalini
practically .
Because he/she can tell you where
the problem is and what should be done if something is wrong.
I don't know what do the experiences shaking and seizures signify
but I do know some persons who has experienced the same as
described by you.
Don't be afraid pray to the God you believe in and ask him to
show the guidance. God will help you out.
Love,
anurag
On Sun, 15 Mar 1998, Joseph Miller wrote:
> Replying to:
>
> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:20:01 -0800
> From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
> To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
> Subject: Questions about Kundalini
>
> Recently I've had a series of experiences which I've now
> identified as a kundalini awakening.
>
> I've been practicing Zen-Buddhism for about 2 years, and
> have a steady meditation practice. I practice a local Zendo
> and generally meditate about 5 times a week. For the last
> month I've noticed a change in my meditation. I've felt
> energy/tension building through my spine. Since I have bad
> knees I pay particular attention to my posture while
> meditating. About two weeks ago when I was meditating at
> home I felt the tension/energy in my lower spine and watched
> it slowly building up my back. I was mostly focusing on my
> breath but I noticed the pressure move slowly upwards. It
> went through my neck and reached my head. Just before it
> reached the top of my head I felt a tremendous sense of
> electricity and anticipation. My mind became very quiet and
> I was with my breath. Then the energy burst through the top
> of my head and I went into a series of seizures and
> convulsions. I was conscious the entire time this was
> happening and observed this occuring. I only stopped when I
> fell off my meditation cushion. I got up had a drink of
> water and noticed I was incredibly twitch. I would
> spontaneously start shaking in different parts of my body.
> I also could summon a seizure at will. I had a feeling of
> calm and clearness, but very little physical control of my
> head, neck and back. I noted the experience, but weird
> things happen while your meditating so I didn't think much
> of it.
>
> Since the experience I've started a daily stretching/yoga
> practice that I had been meaning to do but never got around
> to. The next time I meditated it didn't happen, but the
> last two times I meditated at home I've had the same
> experience and seizures towards the end of the meditation
> session. I've stopped meditating at the Zendo because
> seizures are not a part of Zen meditation. I've also cut
> down my meditation a lot because I was a little worried
> about this.
>
> Right now I have mixed feelings about this experience.
> Physically my body has started transforming, I'm stretching
> more and becoming more flexible. After each of the bursting
> experiences I would start spontaneously doing yoga stretches
> and positions. My body moved in a very fluid relaxed
> manner. Mentally I was clear but a little disassociated and
> detached. When I write about this experience I have the
> same sense of detachment which may explain the tone of the
> posting. I'm a little troubled by the seizures and shaking,
> but physically I feel great. I also am aware that this sort
> of experience can be dangerous.
>
> My questions:
>
> Are there health effects that I should be aware of?
>
> Should I continue meditating at a Zen center where the
> teachings are not concerned with this type
> of energy movement?
>
> Should I try to find a yoga teacher that focuses on this
> sort of energy, eventhough I'm a
> Buddhist?
>
> I realize that some of these questions have probably already
> been answered, I haven't had a chance to look at the mailing
> list archives. If there are discussions posted could you
> refer me to the documents that describe them.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan M.
> Dan,
>
> 1. There are very real possible health effects if the energy is
> blocked and takes the "wrong road" in your body. I am not the expert in
> this area but I've met people who developed serious problems when they
> didn't clear up blockages within a reasonable time. I can put you in
> touch with some people who are experts in this area if you're
> interested.
>
> 2. It is between you and the center. They would also have to put up
> with any Kriyas you show. If you or they don't feel comfortable with
> that maybe you shouldn't go there. If you don't mind and they are OK
> with it, go. You need emotional support now, this list will help but
> having someone in-person would be a big help too. If you think of your
> Zendo as a place to get that try to make it a part of you life, or find
> something to replace it that gives you that emotional support.
>
> 3. It would appear in your case (and in a lot of others, that is why
> Hatha Yoga was created) you do need to get into a good Hatha program.
> You've run the experiment, the Hatha like movements you did helped, keep
> doing them.
>
> Don't go in for the "extreme" yoga with all the ropes and props. If you
> can't do it on a mat with a reasonable amount of clear floor space it is
> over the top. I say that because some of the programs getting the most
> attention, in the US at least, were never designed to deal with
> Kundalini (traditional Hatha is intended to prepare the body for
> Kundalini movements). These 20th century versions of Hatha often appear
> to be better for the physical body than the traditional forms but they
> don't have the basis in the proper movements of the subtle body that the
> masters who developed yoga had.
>
> You don't have to be a Hindu to use their tools. I practice the religion
> of my Cherokee ancestors but I use the tools I learned from a few good
> Hatha teachers, a learned instructor in the philosophy, and a Kundalini
> master I met in north India. Hindus in particular are very open as a
> rule (though given the history between Buddhists and Hindus in India
> some can be a bit touchy about it).
>
> You are not the first to have these experiences. If you'd like more info
> drop me a note off list and we can talk more about it.
>
> Namaste,
>
> Joe
>
> ______________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:44:06 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Kurt Keutzer <keutzerATnospameecs.berkeley.edu>
Cc: "'Jerry Katz'" <umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca>,
"hlutharATnospambryant.edu" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: RE: Discovering the reptile within
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Hi kurt,
can you help me in finding the two real scientific articles
you are mentioning. I am also interested in scientific research
regarding kundalini.
love,
anurag
> back. I have found exactly two real scientific articles on the topic - when
> I asked for interested about them the only reply I got was a private: ``we
> don't need no stinking scientific research'' . This further confirmed my
> questioning of the link between kundalini and genius.
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:38:48 -0500
From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: (fwd) Re: bubble spells
Message-ID: <3514a66c.1004999ATnospammail.redsuspenders.com>
oops.. I keep hitting "reply" instead of "reply to all". I'm not used
to lists where the sender is the actual person and the list members
are cc'd in. I tried to send this last night...
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 18:46:06 -0500, rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob
Trevithick) wrote:
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 14:34:48, Mystress Angelique Serpent
<mistressATnospamdomin8rex.com> wrote:
> As a final note, if you are having a lot of trouble with lighbulbs and
>electronics going foom, then the best thing is to get very grounded and
>change yourself.
Just a question from a curious newcomer: has anyone else noticed a
tendency for street lights to go out when you're around them? It
seems to me that this happens with inordinate frequency to me, and
I've heard others on occasion mention the same phenomenon....
Warm regards,
Bob
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:00:56 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
Cc: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: God As Perfection-God as Perfect Awareness
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Hi Harsh,
What i am able to make out from aristotle's statement is that
Aristotle questions what for we exist? if we are heading
towards perfection then why are we heading towards that and
what will happen after that. What is the game which GOD is
playing and why is he doing so? What do you say?
Love,
anurag
On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Harsh Luthar wrote:
> Harsha: In one of my first philosophy classes at college, I read the explanation of
> a Greek philosopher (Probably Aristotle) describing the nature of God. He reasoned
> that God must be Perfect but wondered what a Perfect God does. A Perfect God of
> course must Contemplate on Perfection, reasoned Aristotle. But since there is only
> One Perfection, which is God Itself, God must be Contemplating His Own Self,
> concluded the great philosopher. I was completely struck and spellbound by those
> statements. I was 17 and did not yet know the nature of the Self-Recognition. But
> even through the thick layers of illusion, it was as if eternity smiled at me and
> started whispering sweet nothings in my ear.......
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:09:14 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Harsh Luthar <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
Cc: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>, Deu83ATnospamaol.com,
Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: universal approach
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Hi Harsh,
I think this should be true.
Love,
anurag
On Fri, 20 Mar 1998, Harsh Luthar wrote:
> Anurag Goel wrote:
>
> Deu I think one shouldn't say bad words to anyone because everthing in
> this world is a part of GOD.
>
> > Love,
> > anurag
>
> Well then "bad words" must be part of GOD too!.........Harsha
>
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:50:46 +0000
From: "Pam Myers" <pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: bubble spells
Message-Id: <199803211150.FAA07295ATnospamcoins0.coin.missouri.edu>
Hi,
Yes, I have noticed this as well, sometimes even driving by in a car.
Pam
> Just a question from a curious newcomer: has anyone else noticed a
> tendency for street lights to go out when you're around them? It
> seems to me that this happens with inordinate frequency to me, and
> I've heard others on occasion mention the same phenomenon....
>
> Warm regards,
> Bob
> --
> Bob Trevithick
> rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
>
> --
> Bob Trevithick
> rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
>
>
>
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Pam Myers pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu
http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/2290/
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:52:48 EST
From: SIRaCH9310 <SIRaCH9310ATnospamaol.com>
To: anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in, hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: Deu83ATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: universal approach
Message-ID: <7ce59f80.3513aa12ATnospamaol.com>
well light and darkness are of God too. One has a choice between the two,but
what does this have to do with Kundalini?
Just curious since I just jumped aboard :-)
Alan
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:01:22 -0500
From: rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com (Bob Trevithick)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (fwd) Re: bubble spells
Message-ID: <3515aa75.2038389ATnospammail.redsuspenders.com>
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:50:46 +0000, "Pam Myers"
<pmyersATnospammail.coin.missouri.edu> wrote:
Yes, driving by in a car, or just walking along, I seem to take out
street lights right and left. Makes me feel like the Prince of
Darkness. :-)
On a similar note, I had some surgery a while back, and noticed that
immediately after I got home the fluorescent lights in my bathroom
ceased working. (I, of course, told the surgeon he must have screwed
something up during the operation, but he thought that was unlikely.)
In any event, I now find that after turning on the light switch, all I
have to do is put my hands about a foot from the lights.. and they
instantly come on.
I should probably just fix the lights, but this is too much fun. :-)
Bob
>Hi,
>
>Yes, I have noticed this as well, sometimes even driving by in a car.
>
>Pam
>
>> Just a question from a curious newcomer: has anyone else noticed a
>> tendency for street lights to go out when you're around them? It
>> seems to me that this happens with inordinate frequency to me, and
>> I've heard others on occasion mention the same phenomenon....
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Bob
>> --
>
--
Bob Trevithick
rtrevATnospamredsuspenders.com
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:15:41 -0500
From: "Ed Arrons" <eeaATnospamaug.com>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Range of K.....?
Message-Id: <199803211214.HAA12069ATnospamsandia.aug.com>
I would think that most K 'awakenings' are minor unfoldments limited
by social conditioning and unnoticed by recipients. A second category
might be those who experience noticeable physical symptoms but the
recipients are uncertain as to their meaning. The rarest would be
those full blown experiences with noticeable 'spiritual' consequences.
Of course there would be a great variety of 'in betweeners', K being
active in everyone to varying degrees. Just a thought. Ed. :-)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:04:31 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Reasonably good reason is . . .
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>E Jason wrote:
>
>> The original question stands (to everyone) - why does the so called
>>process of
>> kundalini awakening produce more anguish than solutions?
It doesn't.
It didn't for me. No anguish at all, except for a few episodes of deep
fears emerging and then gone forever.
And "solutions"? My cup is over-flowing with so much love and joy and
wonder that I can't begin to tell you here.
Glancing at Sannella's "Kundalini Experience," where a number of cases are
reported, sometimes in their own words, it looks to me like the number of
people with anything you could call "anguish" is relatively low. Many
report problems with various symptoms, which Sannella found were usually
alleviated or at least ameliorated when the K. process was understood and
accepted and resistance ceased.
"My clinical findings support the view that the kundalini force is positive
and creative. Each of my kundalini clients is now successful in his or her
own terms. They all report that they can handle stress more easily and
have become more relational. The classical cases indicate that special
capacities (known as siddhis or "powers"), as well as deep inner peace, may
result from the completion of the kundalini process. But in the initial
stages, stress induced by the experience itself, coupled with a negative
attitude from oneself or others, may be overwhelming and cause severe
imbalance.
"Experience suggests that such cases are best approached with
understanding, strength, and gentle support....
"...the female psychologist suffered from severe headaches, which stopped
as soon as she ceased trying to control the process, accepting it instead.
The pain, in other words, did not result from the kundalini process itself
but from the person's resistance to it. I suspect this is true of all the
negative effects of the physio-kundalini mechanism."
I'm sorry if you've experienced anguish and no solutions, or not enough to
balance the anguish. But it simply isn't true of everyone, not even of a
majority.
I wish you more love and joy and wonder.
Love,
Ann
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:15:05 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: White Stone, was: AutoPost
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"Robert h. Krueger" <rhk47f2ATnospamwebtv.net> wrote:
Welcome to the list, Robert!
>I would propose to you a question? Its been written , That he who
>overcomes will be given a white stone, with a name upon it,only he will
>know. Does any one out there know that name?
>
>
If I know the name, isn't it my stone?
Find your own white stone, Robert.
Blessings,
Ann
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:45:26 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: janbarenATnospaminfase.es, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
Message-ID: <eec01f87.3513b668ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-20 22:30:34 EST, janbarenATnospaminfase.es writes:
<< Obviously, my assumption of "Osho" possessing a professorship in philosophy
to be common knowledge was wrong; >>
Harsha: Not at all. He was not your ordinary everyday philosophy professor.
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 97 21:57:34 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
Message-Id: <970320215734.n0001962.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 20 Mar 98, Robert wrote:
>>I would propose to you a question? Its been written , That he who
>overcomes will be given a white stone, with a name upon it,only he will
>know. Does any one out there know that name?
> robert
The white stone is the second part of the alchemical opus. It is the process of
overcoming the chaotic nature. The name written on it is the Gnosis of the
Purified Self, which is known but not revealed. Anyone knowing this would be
unable to speak the name.
Here is your question:
Q: How many Lobsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: None. Lobsters have no need of light bulbs.
It's been written
bye
Lobster
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 00:01:57 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: "Gloria Lee" <samyanaATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: God As Perfection-God as Perfect Awareness
Message-Id: <970321000157.n0001972.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 20 Mar 98, Gloria Lee wrote...
>>The Sufi Ibn Al-Arabi develops this idea saying that only in Mans
>contemplation
>>of God is the perfection Realised. In other words God created
>imperfection in
>>order tht His Perfection would be known.
>>
>>Lobster saying Nothing
>>
>>
>>Glo Lee knowing I ought to know better than to say anything..but:
>
> Difficult as this may be to articulate in mere words...somehow the
>Perfection IS realized through A Seeming Imperfection, which is
>actually perfect; its just our perception (of IT) may be imperfect. Do
>you see any imperfection in Nature?? Is the essential being of a newborn
>baby imperfect?? Are the birds just practicing to learn to sing better??
>Flowers are striving to improve themselves?? Does God create
>imperfectly?? Some design flaw there He just overlooked?? Hmmm??? Help
>me out here someone, please..nothing against the Sufi guy, but what is
>it exactly wrong with God's "imperfect creation??"
You are quite right. I did not explain Ibn Al-Arabi too well or adequately.
Creation is the mirror in which the Perfect is revealed. Therefore the
limitation of being the part that reflects and not the totality of mirror and
reflection would best be described as one in All. God is All in All. There is no
flaw, just degrees of completeness. The drop in the Ocean is not imperfect for
not being the complete Ocean as without the individual drops there would be no
Ocean.
Words to describe the impossible :)
the Perfectly Imperfect
and probably improbable
Lobster
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 08:33:53 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
Message-Id: <970321083353.n0002020.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 21 Mar 98, Jan Barendrecht wrote...
>Obviously, my assumption of "Osho" possessing a professorship in philosophy
>to be common knowledge was wrong; this man was rather controversial to say
>the least and I was referring to him, because, interestingly enough, there
>still are persons claiming to have benefited from him. My definition of a
>guru is very simple: someone who can teach in silence. As the majority of
>seekers is impressed by a clever use of words / rituals, "Osho" had an easy
>job, becoming popular especially among intellectuals. Yet I remain convinced
>that the "Osho effect" can be repeated any time - some people never learn.
When students in America were carrying machine guns and Professor (His
Buddhaness) Rajneesh (Now Osho) was driving past in his Rolls Royce, having
mediocre sex with disciples and taking laughing gas, people still believed (and
still believe) they were in the presence of a "Buddha Field".
They would rather believe than think or percieve the real nature of the
situation. Maybe they should take up Christianity.
However despite the nonsense, the mental breakdowns, the missing money,
poisoning, political corruption and so on people still say: "Good has come of
it". The same can be said of the Holocaust.
So what of the genuine?
Well the SatGurus are usually little known and on the whole would not take on
disciples in any number - BECAUSE THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR DISCIPLES
ACTIONS.
In Sufism we have a simple test for Gurus - if they are willing to take you on
(in your invariably raw state) they are of little account. If you need a Guru
you are probably unable to profit from one.
It is therefore true to say that people get the Gurus they deserve. If you have
any doubts about your Guru, they are not right for you. If you have doubts you
are not right for them.
This forum is one of sharing - the people that have shared may grow in that
process. They are free to give or make use of things as they wish. It is this
form of communal growth and support that is far healthier if it works (as it
often does). If it is just a shouting ground for Lobster and other ego maniacs
then people are not making full use of its possibilities.
De-Lurk.
Be Well
Lobster
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 101 17:55:47 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: Deu83ATnospamaol.com, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: universal approach
Message-Id: <1010320175547.n0001940.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 20 Mar 98, hlutharATnospambryant.edu wrote...
>Anurag Goel wrote:
>
>Deu I think one shouldn't say bad words to anyone because everthing in
>this world is a part of GOD.
>
>> Love,
>> anurag
>
>Well then "bad words" must be part of GOD too!.........Harsha
"I think . . ." = bad words. It is God who is a part of this world. In fact *is*
this world.
Now Anorak, I realise the world is a serious place for the spiritually devout
but please consider:
1. Some Kundalini Tantrics think cannibalism (consuming their dead teacher) is
holy - something they share with Christians.
2. Zen teachers, Gurdiefiian types, hot tempered Tantrics from Buddhism and
Hinduism abuse their Chelas on a regular divine inspired basis. Why? Because God
is Love. Go figure!
3. Sweet words to the heedless are like harsh words to the Saint - they have
little effect.
Be Well Anurag
Peace and LOVE to you
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:21:40 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Ed Arrons <eeaATnospamaug.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Range of K.....?
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Hi Arrons,
I too think that it should be this way.
Love,
anurag
On Sat, 21 Mar 1998, Ed Arrons wrote:
> I would think that most K 'awakenings' are minor unfoldments limited
> by social conditioning and unnoticed by recipients. A second category
> might be those who experience noticeable physical symptoms but the
> recipients are uncertain as to their meaning. The rarest would be
> those full blown experiences with noticeable 'spiritual' consequences.
>
> Of course there would be a great variety of 'in betweeners', K being
> active in everyone to varying degrees. Just a thought. Ed. :-)
>
>
>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:00:02 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: lobsterATnospamclara.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
Message-ID: <93027a89.3513b9d4ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-21 07:47:31 EST, lobsterATnospamclara.net writes:
<< It is therefore true to say that people get the Gurus they deserve. >>
Harsha: Well stated. And Gurus get the chelas (disciples) they deserve! Ramana
Maharshi once said that the disciple is more important than the Guru. If the
disciple has purity, faith and is sincere, even a stone statute will serve as
the Sad Guru.
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:26:13 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
Cc: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Reasonably good reason is . . .
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Hi Ed,
Weren't Kalidas, Mira,Ramakrishna Paramhansa genius?
Love,
anurag
> My definition of genius is a person capable beyond and above the capabilities of
> the best in a given field. In other words they shine with a brighter light
> amongst the bright lights.
> Good luck with getting your material published.
>
> Be Well
> Ed
>
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>
>
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:12:45 EST
From: Harsha1MTM <Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com>
To: samyanaATnospamhotmail.com, janbarenATnospaminfase.es, hlutharATnospambryant.edu
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Gurus and Professors
Message-ID: <f0c4288b.3513bccfATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 98-03-20 17:25:28 EST, samyanaATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< Harsha,
Does this have some similarity to that old saying,
"Those who can, do...those who can't, teach" >>
Harsha: I do not know if there are any universal rules. Once my father took me
to another Indian Professor of Asian studies as he thought that may be of
interest to me given my life style and given my B.A. was in philosophy. I
spoke to the professor who was clearly very knowledgeable and he encouraged me
to get a Ph.D. in that discipline. I looked at all the beautiful books on his
shelf and I looked at him. I never went back. As fate would have it, I ended
up getting a Ph.D. but not in philosophy.
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