1998/03/19 11:03
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #206
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 206
Today's Topics:
Make My Day [ valeriec <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Re: crazy and crazed [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ valeriec <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Some needed levity - more shit :) [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: gurus redux [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Some needed levity - my original [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Re: [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <mistres ]
Re: delighted. [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Re: Cherokee [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: One truth [ Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic ]
Re: gurus redux [ "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospam ]
Re: SPIRIT OF ATHEISM [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: Discovering the reptile within [ Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net ]
Re: gurus redux [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: gurus redux [ Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net> ]
Reasonably good reason is . . . [ E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net> ]
Re: Reasonably good reason is . . . [ Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.te ]
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:19:51 -0800
From: valeriec <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
CC: "listening-l atlantisATnospamangus.mystery.com" <listening-lATnospamzrz.TU-Berlin.DE>,
"friends CYBERMINDATnospamLISTSERV.AOL.COM" <friendsATnospamcuenet.com>
Subject: Make My Day
Message-ID: <3510AAEC.D06ATnospamptialaska.net>
great!
so we have targetted our president as a liar & a cheat with women &
henpecked him maliciously for all the world to see, right at a time when
we are trying to balance impending worldwide anthrax poisoning &
militant Middle East terrorists, That really makes a lot of sense to me!
People disdain "the American lifestyle" in the world so much already;
this is just 'icing on the cake'.
I am embarrassed, & furthermore, even humiliated, by a system which so
publically, & so corruptly, is "biting off it's nose just to spite it's
face". what a stupid ass dumb thing to do!
we are a whole WORLD full of people, not just you or me! People are
starving & dying & Afghanistani's being murdered unjustly by their
government, & on the brink of imminent worldwide disasters with floods,
pestilences, famines, tornadoes, mudslides, & VERY REAL CONCERNS!!!
what Clinton did or did not do or why - sexually - should be none of our
concern! The man is in possibly THE MOST POWERFUL POSITION IN THE WORLD
to see us thru this mess, & I believe we need to clear the forest here,
so we can see the trees!
Potty-brained, pea-minded SELFISH people who take this time to thwart
their frustrations by concentrating on the sensationalism created by the
media, at this CRUCIAL time when people are dying, & cannot see clear to
support the
*WHAT IS*, are gonna murder this planet.
It *is* - what *it is*. And it is definitely infinitudes larger that the
power of Clinton's sex drive; which is not our business anyway! That is
between him & his wife & God.
Think this thought - Al Gore might be just in time for the next
election!
Get your brains outta your potties!
Who cares about sex - when 'life or death' is this imminent???
have a nice day!
:-)
vc
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 101 23:29:29 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: crazy and crazed
Message-Id: <1010318232929.n0001679.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 18 Mar 98, Gloria Lee wrote...
>>"Please help me oh great Yogi"
>>"Help you? I can not even stand on my head for five minutes without you
>>demanding something - Get a life!"
>
>>Glo replies:
>These Examples just cracked me up...even tho I already have a husband to
>do this type of service for me..Please feel free to whack me with a
>stick whenever it will serve some useful purpose, Lobster. I believe you
>owe me one by now, anyway. Also.. any jokes made at my expense are
>welcome..anything can be forgiven if there's a good laugh in it..this is
>why I am so fond of you to begin with.
When a class I was attending was visited by a seriously enlightened Roshi (Zen
teacher) during a period of meditation I spent my whole time wondering
(terrified more like) when I would be whacked by the cane used to ensure people
are awake and not napping. It never came.
However you might like to check out 'Special Illumination' by Idries Shah which
deals with humour. You might also be interested in the Mulla Nasrudin corpus of
stories which are both funny and multi-dimensional in meaning.
I would also recommend a mirror. You could also check out the secular (and at
times very crude and obnoxious) humour of the "Jerky Boys".
Laugh and the world laughs with you.
Smile - and they think your are insane.
:-D Lobster
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 99 23:00:43 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
Message-Id: <990318230043.n0001677.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 18 Mar 98, Dan Margolis wrote...
>>No kundalini enabled person has ever claimed the huge amounts of cash (which
>>they could give to charity) offered by sceptical scientists and others to
>>demonstrate their "psychic gifts".
>I can give two reasons why nobody has come forward. First it's an improper use
of
>the gifts. These gifts should only be used outside the political and
economical
>realms. A miracle can happen only when it's the right time, place and people.
Impropriety? Miracles can only occur where they can not be verified. Nobody must
know about evolution, in case they get the impression it exists. Aliens can only
land where no cameras with film, telephoto lenses or autofocus are present. The
are allowed to molest wheat however as a sign of their presence.
>Secondly, most of the energy work I do is healing. The effect I use most often
to
>heal people is the placebo effect. Convincing people that they are getting
better
Far be it from me to question the idea that the placebo effect is a psychic
gift.
>It's my feeling Kundalini energy does not cause evolution. It gives people the
>ability to evolve faster. Other tools and techniques also help this
Thank you for your examples and candour. I am off to Disneyland by not going.
Lobster
Stunned.
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:38:22 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
CC: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
Message-ID: <3510BD5E.A31FB575ATnospamconcentric.net>
E Jason wrote:
> Impropriety? Miracles can only occur where they can not be verified. Nobody must
> know about evolution, in case they get the impression it exists. Aliens can only
> land where no cameras with film, telephoto lenses or autofocus are present. The
> are allowed to molest wheat however as a sign of their presence.
Seems to fit with quantum theory :-)
Antoine
--
"A new world is born in every moment. The question is, are we present to
this magnificent birth?" Marcus S. Robinson
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:46:06 -0800
From: valeriec <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
CC: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
Message-ID: <3510B10F.641DATnospamptialaska.net>
<snip>
> ej:Impropriety? Miracles can only occur where they can not be verified. Nobody must
> know about evolution, in case they get the impression it exists. Aliens can only
> land where no cameras with film, telephoto lenses or autofocus are present. The
> are allowed to molest wheat however as a sign of their presence.
v: that is why "we are all one". them frickin 'aliens' have been
absconding with, & placing implants in our wheat, so - that when we eat
bread, we are all ingesting ingenious, but dastardly & methodical
implants. so we all show up on some computer screen on Alpha Centauri, &
also Sirius the Dogstar (where the nuts went without permission).
I am so 'devo' about this 'otherwise certified' knowledge, that I am
abdicating my current position as "certified ambassador for
intergalactic mercy".
it ain't paying enough, anyway!
vc
ps (it's NOT MY JOB! somebody else process all them 'wheaties'! I'm on
vacation!)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:00:17 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Some needed levity - more shit :)
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980319100017.00a01100ATnospampop.tel.hr>
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A small contribution to the list: :)
Americanism: Who gives a shit?
Capitalism: The more you work, the more you don't have to take shit
Computerism: Why won't this shit work?
Deism: Something, somewhere, created all this shit
Egocentrism: I made all this shit
Existentialism: Knowing that the world is shit makes it no longer shit
Idealism: I can handle this shit
Materialism: Whoever dies with the most shit wins
Optimism: This shit, too, will pass
Patriotism: My shit, right or wrong
Pessimism: There will be more shit
Positive thinkingism: Shit is what you make it
Predictionism: The shit is going to hit the fan
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:07:48 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: gurus redux
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Hi,
After much evaluating I think a time will come when one will stop
evaluating one's Guru if GURU is SADGURU. Will the GURU awaken one's
kundalini for bad. I think what one should do is keep trusting and
asking why?
May be one is still not mature enough to digest the
answer of why?
Love,
anurag
>
> ever hear the story of Angulimala? his guru's wife got jealous of him and
> convinced the guru that Angulimala had to be gotten rid of. So the guru
> sent him on this rediculous quest. Angulimala, being a 'good' disciple,
> did what he said and went about collecting the fingers of 1000 people whom
> he killed.
>
> His last victim was going to be his own mother (one of the five heinous
> crimes in the Buddhist system). Luckly Shakyamuni Buddha was in the
> neigborhood and got things straightened out. Angulimala became one of
> Buddha's disciples. When the army chasing him found out where he was they
> were a little suprised to find him saffron with no hair.
>
> One has the right to question for clarity what one's guru tells one.
> Otherwise the almost-disaster of Angulimala could befall. This is why it
> is so important to evaluate the teacher!
>
> --janpa (the disciple who constantly seems to be asking 'Why?')
>
>
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:41:43 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Some needed levity - my original shit :)
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980319104143.00914860ATnospampop.tel.hr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
At 10:00 1998.03.19 +0100, you wrote:
>A small contribution to the list: :)
<cut>
Well... an idea crossed my mind... some of my original shit:
Kundalinism: This shit will get us enlightened
Hare Krishna: Shit happens because you eat meat
Siddha-mahayoga: Surrender to this shit, it knows what it's doing
New Age1: This shit will ascend
New Age2: This shit will transmute into white light
Channeling: Shit will happen 12.12.2012
Pesimism: No it won't, it's already here
Roswellism: This shit is government conspiracy
Star Trek: We shouldn't get involved in this shit
Star Wars: Don't give in to this shit, it leads to the dark side
:))) How do you like this shit? ;) Do I shit some more? ;))))
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:06:26
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:13:47 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: delighted.
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>What's a genius?
>Does one need to know?
>What if one doesn't care if one is enlightened or not?
>Would the Enlightened One have time to be concerned with such issues?
>
Hi David and other delighted list members:
Yours is a really good point.
I think we all have the possibilities. But why bother?
I´ extend you a part of a reply sent to Kurt K. regarding: "The reptile
withing" which gives my view of it. As usual: Comments Apreciated.
Here it goes:
...Yes, Kundalini is something that is always there. It is the releasing
of the creative energy which by creating us IS withing us. Remember
Leary´s "Turn on, Tune in, Drop out"? (God how I wish I was around in
the sixties) Well, taking away the drop out thing, Turn K on, then Tune
in yourself to IT (everything)or you will get hurt. I find the better
way to Tune in is by surrendering ego to a bigger even uncomprensible
energy inside us and around us. That`s the same energy as K. And it has
been given many names, god being one of them. Eternal Love, just that.
They are all correct because they are only names and it`s the experience
behind them what really matters. It´s realizing how it works, Realizing
is not the same as understanding our little minds can not understand
what our beings (minds and hearts) are realizing. As the energy withing
doesn´t have to undersatnd or realize anything it just IS. But the mind
is important to realize it´s a gate where sensible people get a lot.
That´s why books are usefull. They´ll never take the place of teachers,
healers and beings standing next to you, but they have behind all the
experience of those people, and the more experienced the people the more
in contact with the energy. So It`s really god talking through those
books as they told us when we where kids. It`s a long way to understand
it and experience it. We are all there.
Regarding genius, I personally don´t care much about it. There have been
enough enlighntened beeings whose creativeness has been used and twisted
by the ones in control. So maybe it`s better to try and live in harmony
or use the creativeness K gives you to "spread the word".
I care more about the whole race evolving but that´s a whole other trip.
I hope you`re doing Great!
Roberto.
Lima, Peru.
Love makes the world go round. Let´s keep on spinning the wheel!
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:12:27 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Cherokee
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>annfisherATnospamstic.net wrote:
>
>>I think all the Indians in the U.S. and probably Canada were (and
>perhaps
>>still are, except where they have gone Christian) oriented toward the
>sort
>>of individualistic religion that includes vision quests, for instance,
>and
>>has no priests but rather shamans - medicine men, singers, sachems,
>etc.
>>They probably all have some experience of overt kundalini.
>>
>>I may be mistaken when I say "all." I do think the great Indian
>>civilizations to the south were more priest-oriented.
>
"Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com> wrote:
>I can't speak about any other tribe about kundalini.
>
>I do take issue with the "no priests" statement. Having spent a bit of
>time in India I would argue that the Cherokees had individuals who were
>just as much priests as the priests at the temples in India and having
>very much the same sorts of traditions. All individual religions (as
>opposed to congregational religions) be it Hindu, Buddhist, Cherokee,
>etc. will have priests. They just won't function like we are used to
>thinking of them if we use the R.C. model. Most Cherokee priests were
>trained within the family in the matters of religion. Much of their
>living was made by delivering their services, praying over a corn field
>for example, just as in India a priest will charge for an individual
>service for a family or individual.
Joe, you're quite right. I was just using the word "priest" in a different
sense than you do, and I must not have been very clear. I had in mind
Joseph Campbell's distinction between two different kinds of religion and
society; I believe he used the words "priest" and "shaman" to denote the
"holy men" of what you call congregational religions and individual
religions.
I meant no denigration of native American priests. I am descended from
more than one sachem.
Love,
Ann
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 05:14:50 -0600
From: Ann Morrison Fisher <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: One truth
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Jeff Jackson <jacksonATnospamdaimler.ucs.indiana.edu> wrote:
>Someone wrote:
>> We have met the enemy and he is US...(old Peanuts cartoon)
>
>It was Pogo, not Peanuts.
>
>As if it matters,
>
>Jeff Jackson
It was also:
"We have met the enemy and they is us."
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:32:17 PST
From: "Roberto Gonzales del Valle" <rgvgATnospamhotmail.com>
To: dorf01ATnospammail.win.org
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: gurus redux
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><<In all systems of meditation, the relation between Guru and disciple
is
>very special. It is of vital importance that the Guru is seen as God or
>Buddha etc., depending on the subject of devotion for the system of
>meditation. Only if the Guru is considered this way, complete surrender
is
>possible. Without complete, unconditional surrender, nothing goes. For
>Westerners this is very difficult, as they judge someone as an outer
form
>with some habits and properties. It is the attitude of automatically
>judging others that easily kills the germinating seed of spiritual
>development. If the Guru advises something one has to obey without even
>thinking about the matter. >>
You are correct about the not thinking. It must come the way it does.
But the devotion and unconditionlall surrender must be towards god by
means of the guru. I have never had a guru. My father will introduce me
to his shortly. But I think one of the teachings in church is very
usefull: God works through people but it is always HE doing the job. So
surrender is to God actually. You surrender to the guru if you feel he
is in touch with God and is doing his will, not a dogma´s will but God´s
will. Which should be heard in his and your heart. By the way, Janpa,
interesting story:
>
>hmm
>
>ever hear the story of Angulimala? his guru's wife got jealous of him
and
>convinced the guru that Angulimala had to be gotten rid of. So the guru
>sent him on this rediculous quest. Angulimala, being a 'good' disciple,
>did what he said and went about collecting the fingers of 1000 people
whom
>he killed.
>
>His last victim was going to be his own mother (one of the five heinous
>crimes in the Buddhist system). Luckly Shakyamuni Buddha was in the
>neigborhood and got things straightened out. Angulimala became one of
>Buddha's disciples. When the army chasing him found out where he was
they
>were a little suprised to find him saffron with no hair.
>
>One has the right to question for clarity what one's guru tells one.
>Otherwise the almost-disaster of Angulimala could befall. This is why
it
>is so important to evaluate the teacher!
>
>--janpa (the disciple who constantly seems to be asking 'Why?')
>
>
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:48:51 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Ed Arrons <eeaATnospamaug.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: SPIRIT OF ATHEISM
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Hi,
A lovely conversation between caller and Host.
Love,
anurag
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 06:26:11 -0800
From: Dan Margolis <margolisATnospamtransbay.net>
To: Kundalini Mailing List <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Discovering the reptile within
Message-ID: <314EC403.AB60FDF0ATnospamtransbay.net>
>Impropriety? Miracles can only occur where they can not be verified. Nobody must
>know about evolution, in case they get the impression it exists. Aliens can only
>land where no cameras with film, telephoto lenses or autofocus are present. The
>are allowed to molest wheat however as a sign of their presence.
So your saying this Jesus guy, he walks on water, he cures lepers, he raises the
dead. He has twelve guys following him around writing it all down, but ah miracles
can't be verified. I didn't say miracles can't be verified, I only said they have
to happen for a really good reason.
>Far be it from me to question the idea that the placebo effect is a psychic
>gift.
Take a couple aspirin, relax, breath deep and I'll cure that nasty head-ache you
have. Those warts breaking out we just won't mention online.
>Thank you for your examples and candour. I am off to Disneyland by not going.
Don't let the door slam you on the way out. I'll meet you with Goofy, I hear he's a
real skeptic too. "Uh, Golly Gee Mickey I just don't know."
Dan M.
OUTRAGED, SHOCKED and still giggling.
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:36:42 -0600 (CST)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: gurus redux
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On Thu, 19 Mar 1998, Anurag Goel wrote:
> Hi,
> After much evaluating I think a time will come when one will stop
> evaluating one's Guru if GURU is SADGURU. Will the GURU awaken one's
> kundalini for bad. I think what one should do is keep trusting and
> asking why?
why does one ask why ;)? me thinks u misunderstood the 'why' i was
referring too :)
at any teaching, does not one ask 'well why is this so, what does this
mean in light of this?' Exploring the matter at hand until it is 'clear'.
If you dont understand something, you should ask questions. You should ask
'why how what where & when. I take notes! Seriously i have a dharma
notebook that i take notes in when i attend teachings. When i'm one-on-one
my teacher often asks me 'do you understand this' if the answer is 'no' or
'well--but what is this?' there is room for his clarification.
My point is that this is part of where Angulimala went offkey. He didnt
ask 'Guru, why do you want me to kill all these people? THis is as far as
i know an abhorrent crime'. He just let go of his own mind and became a
robot. Even if the guru answers with a yell or 'you stupid idiot!', you
can still ask the question. (Actually "you stupid idiot" is a very kind
response sometimes! Recently a lama i know basically told me 'Look Janpa,
your problem is <whatever>'. She was very kind! Clarity immediatly because
she was right! )
> May be one is still not mature enough to digest the
> answer of why?
what why are we talking about? janpa is a beginner. no ifs ands or buts
about it. i question. i also have a stable faith because he never gives me
an answer that doesnt under speculation pan out. I also expend a great
amount of effort in this process. the 3 pillars of Zen are called this,
great faith, great doubt, and great effort. There are elements of all
three i think in any great path.
good discussion tho! is there a point in the path beyond question? perhaps
for me it will be when i've exhausted the analysis. (or the transformation
*is* the analysis!)
Each time i question, he answers, i'm more convinced of him as Buddha. if
i didnt do this, i'm not sure what basis i'd have for this confidence.
blind faith is some sort of goofy concept that i dont understand at all.
This confidence transforms itself into love. Gratefulness.
How does K work into this. i have no idea ;)! Sorry if this is offtopic
for K list.
so why not ask why ;)?
--janpa tsomo
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:49:06 -0500
From: Antoine <acarreATnospamconcentric.net>
To: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
CC: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: gurus redux
Message-ID: <35113061.7C0A42E4ATnospamconcentric.net>
Hello Jempa,
Debora A. Orf wrote:
> Each time i question, he answers, i'm more convinced of him as Buddha. if
> i didnt do this, i'm not sure what basis i'd have for this confidence.
> blind faith is some sort of goofy concept that i dont understand at all.
> This confidence transforms itself into love. Gratefulness.
> How does K work into this. i have no idea ;)! Sorry if this is offtopic
> for K list.
It does not seems of topic to me, if you replace the word guru by K, in your
text. Comes to the same thing no?
Antoine
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 101 15:24:21 GMT
From: E Jason <lobsterATnospamclara.net>
To: kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Reasonably good reason is . . .
Message-Id: <1010319152421.n0001791.lobsterATnospammail.clara.net>
on 19 Mar 96, Dan Margolis wrote...
>So your saying this Jesus guy, he walks on water, he cures lepers, he raises
the
>dead. He has twelve guys following him around writing it all down, but ah
miracles
>can't be verified. I didn't say miracles can't be verified, I only said they
have
>to happen for a really good reason.
It is widely admitted by Christian Biblical Scholars that the Gospels were
probably not written by Jesus's original twelve. Walking on water, curing
lepers, raising the dead and making Rolex watches apport out of thin air are
widely reported by "Holy Men".
People want so desperately to believe. If kundalini or any other aspect of
supposed growth is going to be investigated or brought into mainstream thought,
then it is going to have to break its links with wishful and schitzoid self
referential thought.
In the UK there is an organisation called the Aethurius Society. They say there
is a 50 mile wide alien mothership hovering above planet earth. Why can't we see
it? It is invisible. mmm . . .
A really good reason? mmm . . . .
So your evidence for miracles is the second hand (and possibly even third hand
reports) of a minor Jewish teacher, who became deified much in the way in which
Elvis Presley and soon Princess Diana will become bridges to the beyond.
Less than 500 hundred years ago people were reporting lands where lambs grew on
trees, people carried their heads under their arms and all manner of fantastic
bestiary existed as scientific fact.
Many people on this list have subjective experiences which have great meaning
and importance to their lives. My personal view is these are some of the most
profound and influential experiences possible in the human being.
The original question stands (to everyone) - why does the so called process of
kundalini awakening produce more anguish than solutions? It does not seem to
produce genuises (as is claimed) with anything like the range of abilities and
qualities that exist in those with developed conventional resources.
Be Well
Lobster
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:51:16 +0100
From: Danijel Turina <sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Reasonably good reason is . . .
Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19980319185116.00a2a6b0ATnospampop.tel.hr>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi Lobster! :)
At 15:24 2001.03.19 GMT, you wrote:
>Many people on this list have subjective experiences which have great meaning
>and importance to their lives. My personal view is these are some of the most
>profound and influential experiences possible in the human being.
>The original question stands (to everyone) - why does the so called
process of
>kundalini awakening produce more anguish than solutions? It does not seem to
>produce genuises (as is claimed) with anything like the range of abilities
and
>qualities that exist in those with developed conventional resources.
:))
Two scientists are talking about a mathematical theory. A child listens.
After a while, the child asks: "Does that theory produce candy bars?" "No",
scientist smilingly responds, "it doesn't". "It is useless then", says the
child, and leaves.
:)))
Take care Lobster. :)))
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