1998/03/17 08:12
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #202
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 202
Today's Topics: Re: universal approach [ "Jan Barendrecht" ]
Re: universal approach [ Anurag Goel ] Re: Attitude [ Anurag Goel ]
Re: World Mala Project (fwd) [ Geoff Mahoney ] Re: Self love [ Geoff Mahoney ]
Cherokee & Iroquois [ Ann Morrison Fisher ] Re: universal approach [ Mary Ezzell ]
the unsubscribing dilema [ Pam Myers ] dynamic migraine? [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:46:11 -0000 From: "Jan Barendrecht"
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:42:03 EST
Deu8 3 wrote:
>The thought of kundalini leading to genius is sad. First of all, beware of >anything that glorifies a snake! The "conciousness runs straight up the spine
>to the brain (command post of the soul) to come out in your third eye. STOP >for a second and think of the methods used to reach this state. Emptying >your
>mind. If you empty it, someone else will enter. empty inside. [...]
>The only person who delivers on >promises is Jesus Christ. Anyone who doesn't say that Jesus Christ is come >in the flesh is a liar and trying to deceive you. Be for warned.
[...] >I'm not saying that kundalini is witchcraft stuff, but I am saying that it is
>anti-biblical. [...]
>A concerned friend >Joshua
K. is anti-biblical? The "crucifying of Christ" is nothing but the coded description of attaining a fundamental stage in K. yoga. It is very well described in Gnostic literature (Rosicrucians). In their terminology, the "old me" has to be replaced by the "new me". As this isn´t a gradual replacement, at a certain point a discontinuity appears. As seen from the "old me", the "old me" has to be crucified: all its energy and motives must be taken away. It has to die; there is no other way. Anyone having undergone this process of dying-in-a-living-body will at a certain point experience the striking resemblance between the "thorny crown of Christ" and the perception of the nadis at Sahasrara chakra. Of course this is no coincidence, neither the fact that (royal) crowns in general resemble the structure of the nadis in the crown-center at this stage. As the "old me" stands for the selfish ego, the "new me" is among others a guarantee for unbiased judgment, universal love and wisdom. Once this was a necessary property for rulers. As seen from the "new me", the attainment is very well described by the "phoenix, miraculously rising from its own ashes". This attainment has its equivalents in Buddhism (Nirvana with substratum) and Yoga (entering the final stage of Enlightenment - hearing the holy sound Om). It will come as no surprise that in eras when rulers and householders attained this, society at large was righteous and prosperous. Of course, the unfolding of K. doesn´t stop here. The biblical "ascent to heaven" is in terms of yoga the attainment of Nirvikalpa Samadhi, while being conscious of the world at the same time. In the Western world, the knowledge of K. related issues has always been hidden from the general public. During the inquisition, many Gnostics were burnt. Ignatius de Loyola, who founded the order of Jesuits, could do so only after the involuntary (!) practice of Ojas (an excellent article on Ojas is available at alt.meditation.shabda). Yet this fundamental knowledge, indispensable for awakening / mastering K., was always withheld from the Western public and as a consequence, withheld from many third world nations that were "converted". So, in reality Jesus was a spiritual genius, having fulfilled the goal of what should have become "K. yoga for the Western world".
Jan
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Joshua wrote:
> But the methods of "self-enlightenment" from
> the east, are actually self-destructive.
Only if done correctly. Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:22:08 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: David Bozzi
Cc: Kundalini , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: universal approach
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Hi david,
A cute and clever reply.
Love, anurag
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On Tue, 17 Mar 1998, David Bozzi wrote:
> Joshua wrote:
> > > But the methods of "self-enlightenment" from
> > the east, are actually self-destructive. >
> Only if done correctly. >
> >
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:42:15 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: Harsha1MTM
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: SRI AUROBINDO AND DIVINE MOTHER
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Hi,
I too think that if one practise this way "working on Heart center first" one can counter the obstacles which has been mentioned
steve. Love,
anurag
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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Harsha1MTM wrote:
> In a message dated 98-03-16 13:52:46 EST, Stevetheta writes: >
> < To open thelower vital or subconsicous centers at the beginning is to run > the risk of b eing flooded not only by our
own small personal problems , but
> the torrents of universal mud; we are automatically in contact with the > confusion and mud of the world. >>
> > You are right Steve. Sri Chinmoy, who is a disciple of Sri Aurbindo, advocates
> working on the heart center first. That is a wonderful and a beautiful path. > But there are other ways as well. Poor Harsha has had to swim in torrents of
> universal mud. I have got mud all over me! But its all right. It had to go > somewhere!.............Harsha
> >
> >
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:53:42 -0800 From: Kurt Keutzer
To: "'umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca'" , "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
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> Kurt Keutzer wrote:
> > The post regarding African shamanism and kundalini sparked me to pose a
> comment I've been musing about. > I'm increasing tending to believe that kundalini is not a phenomenon of >
higher cortical brain faculties but rather the more primitive ``reptilian'' > portions of our brain. So I'm inclined to forget about relationships
> between kundalini and genius. I guess if I had any remaining prejudices > that kundalini was linked to genius they went out with the discussions
that > Gene Kieffer evoked late last year. But it does seem that kundalini can
> have significant effects on our motor and emotional systems. Comments? > Kurt
Jerry says:
I hope I'm in touch with what you're saying, but when the third eye opens and hard informational possibilities avail themselves, is that
higher cortical function? Or am I missing your point?
The descent of kundalini brings music, Guru's, entirely composed writings. It seems to me higher cortical functions operate there and
that genius may be associated with the gifts of that descent as well. Is that kundalini or something totally off the mark?
KK.
That's a good point. Gopi Krishna talks about spontaneously spouting Sanskrit poetry and all that. But if you read his published poetry - well
you can decide yourself whether it is genius or not.
I tend to think that kundalini integrates and amplifies the brain function. If there is genius in there then it has more energy to come out - but if
there is no genius in there then it just means more of whatever is in there comes out. However much you like Gopi's poetry he was certainly inspired to
write a lot of it. Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 04:50:33 GMT
From: E Jason To: kundalini
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on 16 Mar 98, Chris Hughes wrote...
>Dear Souls
> This is a quote from Mahatma Ghandi
>The principal faiths of the world consitute revelation of Truth, but >they have been outlined by inperfect men; they have been affected by
>imperfections alloyed with untruth. If we are imperfect ourselves, >religion as concieved by us also must be inperfect, the question of
>comparitive merit does not arise. Reverence for other faiths need not >blind us to their faults,We must be keenly alive to the defects of
>our own faith also, yet not leave it on that account, but try to >overcome those defects.
If a person is always right without question, where is the dialogue? They are
only interested in promoting their interpretation - they are a bigot and closed minded and yet wish to be treated as if they are fair minded and open to the
truth. However we have to respect their blocks and conditioning just as others do about
our own limitations. We have to listen to them, so they can hear their own voice.
However we too have a choice (perhaps because of our lack of patience and limited capacity to bear the reflection of our own intolerance) to ignore or
ridicule the narrow minded. That too is narrow and confined. This is why we respect those with defects and welcome them. They are ourself.
My hat
my Lobster Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:14:56 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: Danijel Turina
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Attitude
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Hi,
Can you be more clear?
Love, anurag
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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
> Hi Anurag! :) >
> At 23:55 1998.03.15 +0530, you wrote: > >
> >Hi Harsha, > > Can I know where do I lack and how is my attitude poor?
> > Well, you should take enlightenment more lightly for a start. :)))
> Take care! :) >
> ----- > E-mail : sinisa.turinaATnospamzg.tel.hr
> Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377 >
> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:07:09 -0800
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Joe Miller wrote: >
>< I practice the religion of my Cherokee ancestors but I use the tools I >learned from a few good Hatha teachers, a learned instructor in the
>philosophy, and a Kundalini >master I met in north India. >>
> PEGLUMPKIN wrote:
>I also have Cherokee heritage....
>I would be interested to know if there is any Cherokee spiritual component >that would correspond to kundalini.
I think all the Indians in the U.S. and probably Canada were (and perhaps
still are, except where they have gone Christian) oriented toward the sort of individualistic religion that includes vision quests, for instance, and
has no priests but rather shamans - medicine men, singers, sachems, etc. They probably all have some experience of overt kundalini.
I may be mistaken when I say "all." I do think the great Indian
civilizations to the south were more priest-oriented.
I am part Iroquois (Mohawk, Oneida, etc.), so I'll ask the same question. Can anyone explain the Iroquois understanding of kundalini?
Love,
Ann Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:03:42 -0600
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Stevetheta writes: >
>< To open thelower vital or subconsicous centers at the beginning is to run >the risk of b eing flooded not only by our own small personal problems , but
>the torrents of universal mud; we are automatically in contact with the >confusion and mud of the world. >>
> Harsha1MTM writes:
>You are right Steve. Sri Chinmoy, who is a disciple of Sri Aurbindo, advocates
>working on the heart center first. That is a wonderful and a beautiful path. >But there are other ways as well. Poor Harsha has had to swim in torrents of
>universal mud. I have got mud all over me! But its all right. It had to go >somewhere!.............Harsha
Ann writes:
The heart-center-first path may be easier. But no matter what path we
take, sooner or later we come to universal mud and go swimming with Harsha! Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:31:26 +0800 (MYT)
From: jayabarathi To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Cc: Harsha1MTM Subject: Re: The Ascent and Descent of the Shakti
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At 06:51 PM 3/15/98 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 98-03-14 13:11:26 EST, umbadaATnospamns.sympatico.ca writes: >
>Harsha writes: Shakti has many names and many manifestations and one of them >is Maha Sarswati or the Supreme Goddess of Wisdom. There is significant
>historical evidence for supporting the notion that many genuine mystics >(although not all) are inspired writers and poets but it goes much beyond
>that. I am reminded of the story of the great Sanskrit poet Ganapati Muni who >was a devotee of Ramana Maharshi. Ganapati Muni, a Kundalini adept and a Guru
>in his own right,--------------snipped
Dear Mr.Harsha,
The sage Ganapathy Muni was a parallel to the ancient Vedic Rishis in more than one way. He was a
Grand Master and adept of Kundalini Yoga. The sage Ganapathi Muni was deeply involved with
Sri Vidya, the divine sciece of Mother Goddess Knowledge. He was also performing special worship of Uchchishta Ganapathi,
apart from deep meditations and severe penance. He was also an expert in the Science of Manthras. With all these practices,
the Kundalini started to play havoc in him. He could always feel as if ants were biting him all over. On and off he would feel
as if his brain etc., were boiling inside his head; He developed splitting headaches and was suffering very much.
One day he told his guru, Ramana Maharishi, the sage of Arunachala. Ramana simply stroked the head of Ganapathy,
and Ganapathy felt great releif. After a while, Ganapathy Muni sat down and meditated.
Those people around him saw a srange light coming out of the top of his head and vanishing upwards.
He never developed headaches thereafter. On one occasion, Ganapathy Muni asked one of his disciples
to hold his palm just above the head of Ganapathi Muni. The disciple felt a hot vapour coming from the head which
heated his palm. It is customary to personify Kundalini as a Feminine
Shakthi. The Siddhas of the Tamil country were also Grand Masters and Kundalini yoga was just only one of the many
things that they knew. They also considered Kundalini as a Female Shakthi or a Cobra. According to some Siddha ideas,
the Energy, if raised to level Visuddhi, would give oratorial, literary, and poetic mastery.
It is to be noted that the "Uma Sahasram" was presented to the public and scholars in the Pachchaiyamman Temple
of Arunachala. "Pachchaiyamman" means "Shyamala". It was Shyamala who gave literary power to KaliDasa and made
him compose the "Shyamala Dandakam" in Her honour. It was his virgin effort.
Regards
Jayabarathi
Many people who went near the presence of Ganpathi
Muni could feel a sensation of electrical vibration over their bodies.
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:38:17 -0800 From: Mary Ezzell
To: Subject: Re: universal approach
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At 01:05 AM 3/17/98 -0500, David Bozzi wrote:
>Joshua wrote: >
>> But the methods of "self-enlightenment" from >> the east, are actually self-destructive.
> >Only if done correctly.
ROTFL!!
Mary Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:45:49 -0600 (CST)
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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:03:26 -0600 (CST) From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: dynamic migraine?
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Like many on the list, I have a long history of migraines that used to appear coincident with my hormonal cycle. Since K, the headaches have
recently become somewhat worse and occur whenever I am ill in some other way and/or when I have a histamine reaction to medication. At
the same time, I have become ultra-sensitive to medications, alcohol, etc. and have to be very careful what I ingest. I'm assuming these new
developments are part of the purification stuff, but I wonder if the migraines are actually a way of expelling energy as the body changes.
If so, has anybody got an easier way?! Thanks, Holly
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